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[000:00:00;00] aah! time and again, the west has vowed to support ukraine for as long as it takes and to do everything in its power to help it fend off rush as attacks. but since the war started, everything has proven to be a rather fluid concept for germany and started with $5000.00 helmets. 11 months later, berlin is providing infantry fighting vehicles and air defense systems. but so far, germany's everything does not include battle tanks, poland, the nato country, wedged between hesitant germany and war torn ukraine has now offered to provide keith with german made lepper to tanks. but only if others do so too. while germany has left pondering its options, poland wants to get things moving, and that's no wonder, really,
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ukraine's neighbor fears it may otherwise be next on fulton's list. i'm nichol for ocean berlin and this is the day ah, it was a thank you prison. due to the polish government and all of our polish friends thought about germany will not go to line. germany will always remain enlarged with its friends and allies each almost the same. we will be doing it alone. but when they shall toss it, can we have your thanks to be transferred to your credit? there is no distinctive. yes, ukraine should go to get all the necessary military equipment they need stupid. there's a difference between making your decision for yourself and preventing the decision of others. the longer it takes to make this decision, the more people who died. oh, also coming up the diplomatic dance around nato expansion,
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after decades of neutrality, finland and sweden. now want in, so why as turkey saying, you know, when it comes to enlarging the nato military alliance, the turkish government has been presenting itself for months as a gatekeeper who doesn't let anyone in welcome to the show. we begin another day with a relentless battle for control of ukraine's eastern towns of bach moot and solo. dar ukraine says its troops are holding the line amid a difficult situation. russian forces are also reporting stubborn pockets of resistance as they mount assault. after assault reports from the front describe a battle field strewn with bodies in a region of debatable strategic importance. still, after nearly a year of fighting the kremlin has made capturing the area around buff mood. it's primary objective president vladimir zalinski as promising his forces that they'll
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be armed with everything they need to keep russian troops at bay when that's a tough promise to deliver on, especially when it comes to the most advanced western weaponry, nato member, poland is now offering to supply ukraine with german made battle tanks, but only as part of an international coalition. the announcement follows talks between polish president on j duda and ukraine's voluntary zalinski on wednesday. experts believe the sophisticated tanks could prove decisive in keys attempts to push back the russian invasion. the pledge ramps off the pressure on germany, which has so far, refused to deliver at the advanced tanks to ukraine. for feel, ukraine needs heavier weapons that has been, keeps message to its western allies. for months on top of the list, the german built levered to battle tank. so far, western nations have been reluctant, fearing further escalation with the new killer armed russia. but that might be all
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about to change over fat incarcerated to easter. we have decided that the moment for poland to decisively support ukraine has comes is thrown in force k. now stumpy, a company of la tanks will be handed over as part of a coalition low part of the grammar would have on your car. you'd see the offer from poland. president on j. duda is a welcome one for keith. but there's a catch without germany's approval. other nations cannot supply leopard tanks to ukraine. poland coal for an international coalition to deliver the weapons piles additional pressure on german chancellor, olaf schultz. so far he's been reluctant to commit but as russia claims it's making fir, the gains in easton, ukraine. keith says berlin's foot dragging is costing lives on the law who only the transfer of weapons will end this war leadership. otherwise the war will go on and on. luxury,
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the novel ukrainian cities will be destroyed ish and ukrainian. people killed little boy, but we will definitely keep going to the end of the but it's just that the costs will be very high. ali thing long, poland and other nato allies are leaning ever harder on the german chancellor to change his tune. while the discussion about leopard battled haines continues, what has already been agreed as the delivery of mazda infantry fighting vehicles. the german army is currently using these white tank is part of nato's very high readiness joint task force. german defense minister christina lumber visited the unit today. she had this to say about the question of leopard battle tanks. each item is good, there's no decision. so we aren't thinking about the question burger oh, we've always been quick and implementing decisions without tillery with ad fennel and now with infantry fighting vehicles have, and that's why the government hasn't yet taken
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a decision on battle tank as latency and shied on the camp cleanser is a bonus wiki of michigan, and it's my pleasure to welcome johan is our now he's a german parliamentarian for the governing social democrats and a member of the defense committee. he's also a former air force officer. am i am not mistaken. and a veteran of german missions to afghanistan. and molly, welcome to d w. it's such a pleasure having you here with me. you are a veteran. you know how important it is to be properly equipped when going into a battle. why does germany not provide ukraine with battle teams? we have ver, very much different lines of operation on the 1st time vi's turnover, the ukraine, people in solidarity and see every day of this horrible war that were sacrificed all those losses and their proposal made to, to keep their country going and to, to resist the russian oppressor, and on the other hand, we also have arguments that we promised to deliver with type vendor and also to re
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strengthen our military capabilities of re stalker, restock it after a period of decades of under funding. and so we also have to take into consideration if he deliver weapons. and this was also an argument over all the year. that if we have weapons that we do not need in the forces because it's very hard to buy a new systems and to get also a re stalking an appropriate amount of time. so you are saying that germany would deliver battle tangs, if it had spare battle tanks. you mean i have to say our focus switched now from the international missions you named. i took pardon to collective defense and territorial defense. and that means we have to serve and her mission is like the v j t f. as you're already named with our equipment as a bonus is short on material we have decades of undefended funding behind us is going to change. but now we're delivering the marta infantry vehicles and they are
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coming out of the stock of the force in the great political signal. but as well, it could also be a weakening of our forces because will be very hard to yet to resupply with new lens systems in a considerable amount of time. but right now germany doesn't need them. ukraine needs them. we also need them because you have to secure our east on flank and poland under the nato border as well. we defend for freedom and security and peace in europe, but doesn't put what buttons military gets closer to the eastern flank. the more he's allowed to advance in ukraine, doesn't he? so wouldn't it be in our best interest, as well as nato countries to send these battle tanks into ukraine to keep russia at bay? i think you claim to be helped because the bill of things would increase the assertiveness of the systems. it would help the survive ability and sure it would make a difference on the lent domain for the battle. this is for sure, but we also have to make sure that the sustain our capabilities, those or soldiers could be trained,
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that we can also serve our obligations that we have towards the needle. and i have a little bit of the fear must be calculated very good through and we have to make an industrial deal with the industry that the increase of production capacity is that we can deliver systems to the ukraine and also get system spec for forces that also does could be trained and also the other tasks validity. zalinski addressed the bonus tac last year. and after that address that you were present for, you rode on instagram that it became clearer than ever to you that germany needed to do anything in its power to mediately end the war. is that what is happening right now? we do a lot of germany as one of the most generous or spenders, an age for the ukraine. we spend 12000000000 yours in the last year. and if you see the system where we come from the firm, a security policy per editing that we don't deliver weapons in any crisis areas. so we now deliver, it says for pulse, howard,
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serve the delivered or india craft tanks. we delivered a lot of systems, not even the bonus to have a lot of do a lot. everything that could be done right? yes. but all of shawls also certain as for wolf, when he explained his ukraine and polar ukraine policy to the parliament. that is also important that he also can sustain or on missions that we have to sustain. and that's our constitutional task that we have to do. and we also have to look as a defense committee that one of her can still do their task, their same to now the greens, the liberals who are both part of the governing coalition, that your social democrats or of course, leading as well as the opposition say that well actually has been so hesitant because he's intimidated by pollutant. is that the reason is it for fear of retaliation, that is, is making germany so so slow and so hesitant to take the lead maybe also in these kinds of move not at all. i would say that all our salsa leader,
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a leader, that are very carefully overlooking the options because used to, before he's taking a decision. and i don't think this is weakness. this is a strengths and we've decided in the past month to deliver very important capabilities to break the russian dominance, especially in the artillery domain and with the tillery capabilities. and i think it's very worth thinking over. but before we deliver this kind of platforms to ukraine, he takes a long time to ponder. there used to be a time when other countries used to look to germany for guidance writer to see what germany was doing to then calibrate what they went to for germany to take the 1st step. now, it seems the other way around that germany will only make a move if you know the us or france make the move 1st. what does that tell us about germany? leadership position on the, you know, international scene. i think we had or, or was a very restrained, foreign policy that's or tradition. this is going to change because other countries expect us to be
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a leader in europe and to take the 1st steps. that's completely right. but we also have a value of multilateralism and our foreign security policy. that means that we coordinate with other big european countries. what we're going to deliver. and as you did with us, as you did with friends of great britain and are now solid and decision came to deliver patriot and are also the model vehicles. however, i have to say it again. it should not, the forces should not be stripped for this because we have also our own security interests or own tasks that need to be done yanez, as member of the german parliament for the social democrats. thank you so much for your time tonight. still to come on the day a political headache for joe biden, and maybe a legal one with more classified documents found this time in his garage. i material, matthew corbett. what were you people, by the way, my corvettes and the law crush. ok,
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so it's not like you should not the street ah rushes invasion of ukraine almost a year ago as acted as a catalyst for formerly neutral countries, sweden and finland to seek nato membership. $28.00 of the military alliance is 30 members, have ratified the 2 countries, accession leaving only turkey and hungry as holdouts. official seem confident that hungry will eventually agree leaving turkey's president reggie type air to one as the chief obstacle, but not every one in turkey as opposed to this latest expansion and one man and it's tumble as a particularly inclusive approach. johan has more this, i'm assuming local restaurant is an institution in istanbul, with nato serfs, traditional turkish dishes. and it's been doing so since 1950. 2 begonia turkey joined the nato military alliance. oh,
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methodist church is the boss here. and he is proud that he's restroom is so popular with locals and foreigners and like every one is welcome to join his nato. he says, restaurants, yes, my customers come from all around the world. from japan on to china, finland sweden from germany, the u. s. her sort of not every one can join the need to rely on. this is not on, but in my nato, not the no one gets turned away. i just did every this up. the gallery tacky is famous for its hospitality at the highest political level. however, the world is currently experiencing quite the opposite when it comes to enlarging the nato military alliance. the turkish government has been presenting itself for months as a gate keeper, who doesn't let anyone in russia's war against ukraine,
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has raised major security concerns in europe. that is why countries like sweden and finland, which have long been opposed to nato membership, now want to join. but all natal members have to agree to this. and this is exactly how turkish president reggie tie of out on is putting on the brakes. he accuses sweden and finland of been to lenient with groups that uncork considers terrorists including the cottage militant p, k, k, which is also on the list of terrorist organizations. the cook. i'll let him forgot the countries where p k. k. members can run riot in the streets. what's out hold rallies under police protection, and extort significant sums of money that should not become nato members. opera, why the saw this would not benefit nato at all. it rather, it undermines its values. edwin blames kurdish militant for attacks and turkey,
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such as the bombing in istanbul and the lender. he says sweden and finland a harbouring people with links to terrorist groups and has demanded extradition to turkey. finland and sweden have promised to take the turkish concerns seriously and to do more against kurdish extremists in their countries. but experts think that ad one's continued obstruction also has to mystic political reasons before elections wants to or nurture image as a top international negotiations that advances churches cause and supports all the much the constituents. and there will be no reason right to nature marching on to elections. the
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next presidential election in turkey is just to be held by june 2023. so they were still a lot of time for many uncertain things to happen. but restaurant owner made us turn knows one thing for sure. in his nato, the door will always remain open to everyone. my next guest is tony, are anti, he's a senior research fellow at the finish institute of international affairs. is areas of expertise include turkey's relations with the west, and his latest book is called turkey, foreign policy narrative, implications of global power shifts. welcome to the day, mr. eller on to tell me how we get the frustration in sweden and finland with turkey right now. well it's that on the leading, breathing every month or every week. now the thing is stuck and yeah, we haven't had moist, it's not the only problem is politicians,
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but from european politicians as well. so i guess there is frustration in other major countries as well. we heard about the p k. k issue in the report. is that really the only reason turkey continues to box women fennel from joining nato. no, i don't think that that's the only reason. i don't even think that we don't belong to, are there the only issues on the partially partially about 3 of them . the mr. mr. are going to both are using this delaying tactics in order to pressure the us in particular. and especially in terms of y b g, the syriac curtis group, that is related to the p k. k. i'm fighting again in syria. this has been over 10 years now. a problem in
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u. s. circus relationship and turkey is gonna be using this delaying tactics in general issue as well. and then there is the question of fighter yet that the u . s. is, has be reluctant to sell. so all of these things need to be going through the larger picture. they're relevant at all that aired on is somehow trying to position himself as a mediator in the ukraine war does. he maybe also not want to upset putin by allowing for an expansion of nato. well, we cannot cross. contemplate on that issue as well. i don't think there has been any deals between the boot and the art on. but the point is that turkey sees the whole global political view very differently from other countries. it's one g, b, it's
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a balanced bullied policy regarding russia irrespective of the war. so there is a major difference here regarding the i don't i do members. so you're saying this is mostly power play, is he actually planning on ratifying these 2 countries at some point, or is he just going to drag it out until they possibly eventually give up? or this all becomes the 4th well, like i would tend to agree with the previous comment or that we need to the election. now, what will happen afterwards? but of course, this is also a domestic tool. are showing a base regarding the p k. shoot and showing up against the us and the rest in general. these are things that can enhance popularity among the nationalists and conservative waters. i still think tend to think that there will be the case. you will call me at some point,
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but it may still take time on twitter. i read that you say that turkey demands breach sweeter sovereignty. how so? well, this was so in reference to the fact that when the speed is new, foreign minister visitors are off. he was told that the sweden, the government shoot, all were wrong, or a court does is on met by the supreme court to suit his supreme court that rejected the extradition of one particular person from the good and movement. and of course, this is a bridge of swearing in the sense that we have. these are separation of powers principal here in finland and sweden, our government, even if they would like to do, they can not overrun a software gorgeous is us. and of course, turkish authorities know this very well. oh, this is just their way of playing this game. danielle or aunt of the finish
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institute of international affairs. interesting stuff. thank you so much for your time. you're welcome. ah, it investigators. here's an individual that's been in office for more than 40 years . here's an individual that sat on 60 minutes. that was so concerned about president trump's documents locked in behind. and now we find it just as a vice president, keeping it for years out the open at different locations. that was the u. s. house speaker, kevin mccarthy, putting the who to on president joe biden. in september it was fine and slamming donald trump for keeping classified documents and his private residents morrow lago . he asked how anyone could be that irresponsible. well, looks like he just gave himself the answer. after the 8th discovered sensitive documents at a former office of his in washington, he to day acknowledged that another one had been found at his personal library and embarrassment for the president and kept them for the g o p. people, no,
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i take classified documents or classified materials. seriously. i also said were cooperating fully completely. the justice department's review, as part of that process. my lawyers reviewed other places, word documents from my of, from my time as vice president were stored and they finished the review last night they discovered a small number of documents of classified marketing of storage years in file cabinets in my home, in my, in my, my my personal library years attorney general, mary garland has now appointed a special council to investigate the matter. and i asked the w, washington correspondent mckayla clifton, what more she knew about these documents. we know that they were classified, but we know very little about what they exactly contain. what exactly the level of classification was. we know that we're talking about more than 10 documents, but not hundreds. as was the case in donald trump,
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where whole boxes of classified documents that were carried out of mar largo and as far as the legal process is concerned, there is now the special council which highlights that the attorney general garner is taking this very seriously elevating this whole case actually to the level where he actually was in the investigation with donald trump. he came out with a statement not taking any questions, saying that this was so sensitive and of such importance that he felt that this was merited. despite the fact that he was confident that the department of justice could have dealt with this without a special counsel. so it is drawing for attention not many documents in 2 locations and do biden's team himself indicated that indeed those documents were in a private office used by joe biden, after he finished being vice president. so this was several years ago. and finally,
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british guitar legend jeff beck has died at the age of $78.00. his family says he passed away peacefully at home after contracting bacterial meningitis, jeff beck rose to prominence as a member of the yard for in the sixty's and 2009, he was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame for a 2nd time. although artists have been paying tributes to legacy with sir rod stewart saying he was on another planet, beck earned a reputation as an innovator with tracks like back valero, which has been described as one of the great rock instrumental. ah and his music will live on that is our time and make sure to stay in touch, follow our team on twitter at the w news and myself at nicole underscore foot. it's the latest headlines you're looking for. there's always are
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