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ah, do they or don't they control solid are after days of conflicting reports on the status of the small eastern ukrainian salt mining town. russia now claims that it has in fact, captured sola, dar, ukraine continues to deny the battle is over, but independent researchers say solar dar likely already fell 2 days ago. it would be rush us 1st big battle field gain since july a desperately sought when that would have come at a heavy human cost. and one that russia did manage to bring about itself in a rear announcement that once again highlighted the power struggle in russia's military command. the kremlin acknowledged that the wagner mercenary group was instrumental in the attack on solid r. i'm nicole freely, him, berlin, and this is the day ah,
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just a little a little was possible. thanks to the destruction of vienna b, y aircraft missile strikes and artillery reports to the ukrainians. continue to operate in the vicinity of cylinder and continue to fight back again. the number one issue is solar dot box mood, and the struggle for the done yet, sc region of them is cannot even if both bach mood and so with our fall to the russians, it's not going to make a t at, it's not going to have a strategic impact, this is really only cool because both sides have made it to my last comment would be don't count the ukrainians out. ah, also coming up for rose deadly protests. the country has seen a weeks of clashes since the ouster of president pedro castillo. what will it take to quell the unrest? oh, but in most good,
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we're asking for congress to shut down. totally shut down. political. ah, welcome to the show. it's good to have you with us. we begin the day with russian claims that its forces have captured the town of sola dar, an eastern ukraine. if true. this would mark a rare victory for moscow. after months of set back for its troops. ukraine's military leaders have rejected the claim saying its soldiers are holding the line and the battle is ongoing. oh, sides have conceded heavy losses in the fighting, though the number of casualties is unknown. in a rare concession, the russian army gave praise to the wagner mercenary group which spearheaded the assault and sol adar opinions are divided on the strategic importance of the thought mining town. frank lead, which is the military analyst at the university of portsmouth in the united kingdom . earlier, we asked him what the loss of sola dar,
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if confirmed would mean for ukraine. there is something of a successful rushing. but what we have to remember is, i think that, that this town is really only important because both sides have made it important over the last 6 months. so, so by that i, me that they addressed it so much in this relatively insignificant town that they find it difficult to withdraw or concede, defeat dis, bucket is, is, is in a sense of the legacy of the bottles. you may remember around said i was gonna ask on so forth, and there was a, a salient guy. but anyway, nonetheless, both sides regard it as important. it's interesting by the way, that the chief of staff zalinski is chief of stock compared this develop gun. and that does does give it some military rationale, even if the ukrainians are beaten back, that they would say that they have chewed up so many russian soldiers there. and the russians have use of so much on munition, for so little game that it was worth fighting for. so for both sides,
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it's achieved and it pulls it not way. now as the fighting in ukraine approaches the one year mark, russia is reportedly preparing to mobilize more troops and conscript more young men to fight on the front lines and move is likely to provoke a fresh wave of russians fleeing to avoid the cala. at some have found it difficult to be granted refugee status abroad. ah, now he can breath again. it's danny's love, but she love has finally been formally recognized as a refugee from russia in law. it was a long process. at the end of it, stanislaus is relieved to have cut ties with a country that started a war of aggression. in the middle of europe. the british middle, i fled to the 1st best country, so i wouldn't have to go to jail or be sent to war. i don't want to fight against the ukrainians. i have many friends there. the 1st best country, as stanislaus said, was latvia, and you, you member state with
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a 300 kilometer common border with russia. when they will start at more than 10 months ago, studies love decided to protest. the former policeman found himself in the midst of a peace rally in st. petersburg, where hundreds of protesters were arrested. but when the 27 year old received a draft notice from the army, he decided to flee over night. without losing any time, he drove to russia the boda with lot. we had to jump over the fence at an unwanted torrent location illegally because he had no visa them yet. but i am no orders for austin. he capable, veronica, it was terrible. i was panicking. my heart was pounding. i was running through the forest and wondering what if the guards shoot me? the fence was huge with barbed wire. and on the other side there were border guards as well with whose language i don't understand. i had no idea how they would react to get them or can you tell us been the officials in latvia were accommodating at
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1st they let him file for asylum. but a few months later, his request was denied. stanislaus went to court and to fall to the decision in the and he was allowed to stay a rare ruling fall latiere in contrast to germany. the baltic states generally denies russians fleeing military service that the right to spain, delete mobilization in russia, which began in september of last year had little influence on that policy due to security concerns. is through supposed to start birth with it, just read it. if you are against the war against mobilization, if you think that what is being done now is unacceptable, then you must come out against the russian government. and i am not convinced by arguments that things are so oppressive there, that no one can take to the streets. tens of thousands of russians are leaving now, according to our figures. and the question must be asked,
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why should we accept them all? this is also a matter of our own security of her chima mommy's monument. that the visible processor ms across mr. studies love, but she'll of doesn't think that taken to the streets in today's russia can change anything. he says that there is no rule of law in russia and also no reason to believe the regime was about to collapse either anytime soon. for him, protests are of the direct way to prison and may be after that to the front lines. all legitimate parts of resistance have been exhausted. people who protest end up behind bards and from there they cannot achieve anything any more. with zill. stanislaus says he would go back to russia one day when to put in his not in power any more. his parents live there, stanislaus, mrs. of them, he says, but he knows he will not see them anytime soon. from wireless bring and dr. james glen, she is a russia analyst based in oxford in the u. k. good to see you again. i one i sent
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the latvian foreign ministers question to you, why should e u countries accept the people fleeing from being drafted to fight in ukraine? well, quite a question, stop it. first of all, because under international law or you and hcr guidelines, they, they should the last place that they should if they offering mobilization or force conscription that would require them to fight in a way that even the conditions were in humane or what they would be doing with highly international law and attentive evidence to support both. what i would say is that it would make sense. i think for me to you countries to come together on this one because i have a lot of sympathy for why latvia world, if you're in your countries, they used to have a history of being colonized by russia would not want to accept russian refugees. and i can see on the, of course,
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it's legitimate for them to have security concerns on that basis. new and on the basis that they do have a russian minority that is actually generally pretty well integrated with the p. c . for example in the studio. but that could be used as pretext by russia, a general sort of meddling. so i think there needs to be some sympathy towards the history and the context in which the body states is speaking. perhaps there could be some sort of agreement where they could move on to, to countries such as germany that would be more willing to accept russian refugees in this case. now ukrainian officials expect russia to start a new mobilization drive. what are the signs for that? one of the signs and it would be the recent shakeup that we saw in terms of the military command. so when sort of a gin was replaced by get a seem of because in general, this has been interpreted as a signal that the war is taken on and more all encompassing. getting to
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paraphrase the russian ministry of defense, there'll be a sort of broader, broader approach to the war. and it appears that putin still remains convinced it's one of the important things for members of heating is obviously not man, infamously. he likes to go around and sort of mingle with his people. he generally learns about media society through through reports, to sort of intelligences that on his table, his long, long tables in the continent. and he seems to believe that the war russian society is mobilized liberal around this war. i think that's having this dreadful mistake causing a lot of trouble. but there's no signs that he has has changed his mind about this, especially since ultimately there were a few pre tests, you know, quite strong ones after the september mobilization drive. but the movers and the wives of the soldiers were co opted. they seem to have died down and they haven't appeared to impact public support. the war i do wanna talk about the seidel impact
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all of this can have besides families being ripped apart, what is the impact on russian society of these mobilization drives? well 1st of all, of course, this is you can only point of view and a demographic one. i imagine it's losing, it's is educated and it's very professionally successful because a lot of them are at least attempting to. 6 on the other hand, of course, demographically, which is a, you know, really crucial concern in its demography. something that comes up an awful lot in his speeches on quite, quite clearly sending you hundreds of thousands of men to, i'm treating many of them i can filter is not really helpful to paraphrase it mildly, in terms of is it having an impact on the support for the war it's actually
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a bit more complicated than i think a lot of people because you can post mason westwood like it to be. it's not necessarily turning people against the wall. it's time some people, maybe it's time people perhaps increasingly against the way the war is being fought . and clearly there's a lot of unhappiness we can see from micro managing of, of different elements of the war, which we show in a new way helping. but if he stays on, he's not confident in how everything's happening and or should he be, it's quite a mass. right. i came under a lot of pressure during the 1st mobilization drive because it's an ill prepared under motivated, poorly instructed men to the front men that they were as you agree near cannon fodder, to buy time. are there any signs it would be different a 2nd time around from the 1st mcglatian drive, they kept back a $150000.00 men. you have undergone some additional training and said they should be sent in with a bit more preparation. i mean, it's been more skilled,
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and it's not that the russians are entirely not learning. of course, of course, they are learning from, from their mistakes. there are just some, some bigger structural issues in the way that russia is approaching the school. and of course, the analysis intelligence and the theory on which is based is entirely flawed. i think that putin and others nourish kinda the head of for intelligence and the ministry defense made it very clear that they are comfortable with high losses. and i think that's a signal as well as the west this, this recurring message, repeating that they are in this for the long run. they think that we in the west will grew tired of supporting ukraine much quicker and much sooner than they were very tired of attacking ukraine. dr. jacqueline always a pleasure talking to you. thank you so much for it all started with what peruvians call an outdoor bear. a self qu, back in december,
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peruse and battle president pedro castillo stage, a failed power grout that triggered his ouster and landed him in prison. the protest that followed have left 49 people dead, some of them as young as 15 for over a month because the your supporters have marched and barricaded streets across the south american country, demanding new elections. and the removal of current liter dina been awarded there. and frustration about what rights grooves. the nouns as an excessive use of force is only adding fuel to the fire. the carried more coffins and effigies of their unwonted leaders in jail sales. thousands of noisy protesters hit the streets of the capital lima to demand the resignation of their president. then that is the loss of indignation, pain, and suffering. it's having a psychological impact on those of us who are following what's happening in the provinces. that especially our brothers and sisters there who are been killed. it's
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a total massacre. my 2nd thought back in poo poo the ancient capital of the inca empire. the caskets were real, locals, bitter public farewell to a killed protester. elsewhere in the city clashes brew coat yet again. please fire tear gas. protestors responded with stones and slingshot fire. by night, the violins escalated. the turmoil was triggered by the arrest of former president pedro castillo last mano, feel in a pitch after he tried to seize emergency powers to evade impeachment, over sleeves allegations, the insuring crisis has rocked the country. mark cause kish baker was protesting at the airport when he was killed. was these young ladies,
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but had only shot him. i don't know who gave the orders illegal that now we want those responsible for his death to pay for us on his behalf. but so much like marco's, most of the victims hail from working class heart lungs loyal to casteel communities, united in recent weeks in protest or in grief. and sometimes bo and we can now get some background from semantical. he's a journalist, basically my welcome to the day with her table at this all started with an attempted coup by a president who spent a fairly shambolic 17 months and power. now, elsewhere, brazilian democratic structures would be cause for celebration. why are people protesting that protesting for a range of reasons, some of them believed didn't go castiel despite his corruption and ineptitude. but some of them are also just furious at the response from the government over the
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last month. the government has managed to really have a heavy 100 response against these protesters when they stopped it. there was a range of demands and tactics of processes. some of them were peaceful, some of them were violence, but that heavy handed response, disproportionate response. just basically with the police using live ammunition indiscriminately has been completely disproportionate. it's been a violation of human rights and that is enraged protesters. and i would say it's actually made them now even more determined to carry on protesting. and to bring about the full athena boardwalk, they saw a government and, and how much of an undercurrent is there as well, of disenfranchisement and frustration with the political elite of peru which as a notoriously unstable country, when it comes to politics? i think that's really what's happening. routes all these protests. i'm the spark
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was pedro castillo impeachment, but we're talking about the caves, even centuries of marginalization all indigenous communities in the andes and the amazon. there's a lot of discrimination and even racism in peru and lima, where roughly one 3rd of the rooms, 33000000 people live, is in many ways very disconnected, certainly to lima, at least very disconnected from the rest of the country. and so the view is that people who live in grinding poverty, they may not have running water or electricity. i've just been abandoned, really by the central governments in lima. and they felt independent castillo, they finally had someone who would, who champion them. and now he's gone through his own fault. it has to be said, are this ray just bubbled up and boiled over? is the government showing any signs of listening to the protesters,
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grievances not really. they did very quickly brings announced that they were bringing forward elections from 2026 to 2020 full. but that's still 1516 months away in april of next year. for the protesters, that's not not good enough. they were immediate elections and need a wall to wall. it's a is not resigning us. the protesters with like, which will trigger new and actually straight away. she's arguing, i think there's some merits in her arguments that if she does so, the country will just fall. it's a further anarchy, but i'm protested. really would like to see the back of her. and i think that as long as she remains presidents following all the steps with a growing public perception that she has blonde on her hands as long as she remains present, i think brew is gonna remain simmering and all over again at any point. semantical corresponded in the peruvian capital, lima. great speaking to you tonight. thank you.
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ah, europe has a new gateway to space to day the you know, great at its 1st to orbital launch pad on the european mainland. it's the latest sign that the space race is heating up here in europe as well. the new e facility in arctic sweden will compliment europe's other spaceport in tropical french guiana. it's designed to launch small satellites, which can be used, for example, to track natural disasters in real time or to monitor act of conflicts like the war and ukraine. european commission president was enough on the line joined, swedish, and in you dignitaries. at the ribbon cutting ceremony today, it's a big moment. it's a big moment for europe. it's a big moment for europe, space industry. this spaceport offers an independent european gateway to space. the current geopolitical situation, not least, of course,
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the russian invasion of ukraine has demonstrated how important is that the european union has access to space. and i am thrilled to welcome the director general of the european space agency. now you have asked that he just got back from corona. mr. ashby. thank you so much for making time for us tonight on this very special day for you. i'm assuming how big of a day was this for the european space agency? no way can. thank you for having me. it was a big day for sweden, but also for space in your you have just to president of the commission. those live on the lion outlining the bottles of this launch board. and this is something quite unique we have of course you have the launch board in french and cool, which is launching or all kinds of satellites or kids. but typically the larger ones and what we have seen today, a message to the king and european commission is having
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a new smaller facility which is capable of launching smaller satellites and what we called micro long shows of european soil. so this is a bit like having a big airport like i'm or do i, he's and then you have a regional airport in different countries and different places. and that's what we integrated today, like a smaller airport, the smaller space for a small or some smaller satellites. you say the new launch facility is a critical asset for a year. why is that? it's critical because so 1st of all, having another launch bed on european soil and not too far away from my european mainland. this is important. it makes transport and the logistics much easier. but the other thing is that, that we are testing on this launch bed a new type of what we call it, that they missed with an engine called or made toys, which is a european reusable engine. and i don't need to explain how many times the
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other side of the atlantic in particular was space x and europe is now investing in getting a usable launcher. and this is actually happening there because we, at the open space agency have developed this engine with the 1st stage. and we will do some so called this on this launch pad in keyona in sweden. and part of this is about independent access to space for europe. but isn't the need for international cooperation, a great source of opportunity and knowledge sharing in the space industry? it's always the same if you're in the national corporation. of course we do that and we are very strong partner with nasa. but the, so on assets, it's on investments, that's exactly what we're doing. so here the open space agency, i'm really wasting the additional space in europe. we had a very, a success ministerial conference just 2 months ago. are we going to record subscription by? you will be a member states for you all comes into activities and yes, independent access to space is part of this. your best buy did she?
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and this is what we need to reinforce. why don't you choose to ruin our insights closer to the equator? and generally more suitable for satellite launches. i'd so that if you are close to the equator, it's good to launch a to station over satellites. but k owner will launch is satellites into a little bit. and from there it's a very good location, but it's also a good location. and this is a bit of a mix of investments that have been made by sweden itself by the swedish government in order to build up and repair this launch space. and of course on our side to make good use of it launches and testing your kids and you engines. and yes, it's a really good combination of national investments and europe in investments with european space agency. we only have about 30 seconds left, but i do want to know about your vision for the future. at the side of the site is really the 1st one on the mainland. it is opening a completely new dimension of competition in the lower segment in the light,
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the segment of long shows and, and satellites. and for this is a sweet and it's with by year end is opening new ways and i'm excited about happened today. i think this is a new way of designing a defining logic up a bit of this for you up and we will be keeping a close eye on what happens out there. yes. about our director general and the european space agency. pleasure speaking to you tonight. thank you very much. and that's her time already. but make sure to stay in touch. follow our team on twitter at c, w news and myself at nicole underscore foolish. it's the latest headlines you're looking for. there's always our website dw, dot com. the day will be back after the weekend until then from the entire team. thank you so much for spending parts of our day with
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