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online d, w dot com highlights, ah, an exclusive interview with donnie dionne director of a yamashita holocaust memorial. you vowed that you would never visit germany. what are your expectations? we have to think to learn how to continue to keep the flame of all upholstered members alive. now he's visiting germany for the very 1st time. the exclusive interview with donnie di starts january 18th at 2315. you to see on d, w. m. it's the end of may any naughty and the ice hasn't quite disappeared. the average annual temperature here isn't much about freezing point. in europe's far north primeval forests still exist. the trees are small, gnarled,
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and supple. petri matos is on his way through this old growth forest. if it weren't for him, these trees would have been cleared many years ago. lumber companies had their eye on them back before the 1st big protest action. any naughty. this is what a healthy forest here looks like with reindeer calves roaming about. reindeer mothers spend their last 2 weeks in enclosed areas before giving birth. i believe just for in the yesterday evening. i am august those like there is one upgrade. so i got 1000, but my air market. then i opened beth gave them, they go back to the freedom ah, ah petri matters likes that. his animals have an appetite for freedom.
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they develop better and don't cost him much. and he's grateful to the forest that sustains his animals. harry. oh, he lou. ha! who yara? hello, lynn hoof to schiavo rock. oh, hello, lee. to us. oh, this is about 12 hours ago or not. oh, very old. every family of reindeer herders has its own distinctive ear marker. the procedure doesn't appear entirely painless that
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the mom is coming over there. it's recognized the old baby child and he was met him when you're living does everything i say, but they recognize oh, maybe along and i feel today not coming lot of pain. oh, all in some that may believe it if they does during like they said, they didn't think it hurts them very much. no, i don't think so because it's not like her ladies. they put the earring since i thought oh oh oh oh. gold growth, forests or woodlands that have not been significantly disturbed by human activity and these could be left untouched. after all, there is enough timber elsewhere in northern europe. the liken hanging on the
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branches serves as special function. what's felt here takes a very long time to grow back. matthew, see? gold proved this is a big for 500 years old. thirty's black. like another trace. what raid the again, eat in the winder. it's not the only bit 3, because this when, if, when the are a lot of snow on the trees, as you see the slack flies and also on the land and it's coming up of the snow and rain. you can eat this if there's a lot of snow and a small is hard. without this forest, the reindeer would struggle to get through the winter. luckily, the herders have received international help. korean base come here and her boss and they thought the biggest company who by the finish paper and the sammy, people, and sam arranged to her to have a problem this forest cutting because it's out for
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r. c. so really important in finland, authorities were ignoring petrie mottos and his fellow herders. then greenpeace raised the possibility of a boycott. that was back in 2003. a large cargo ship had been docking each week in the northern german city of lou. back with timber from finland's, vast forests. it's cargo turned out to have come from some of europe's last remaining primeval forests. the supply chain could be traced back to inquiry. this timber was destined to be turned into toilet paper or glossy magazines in germany. in inquiry, a small delegation of traditional reindeer herders was waiting to show evidence of fresh felling. they didn't need to go far. this tree was a few 100 years old as far as ot yes. who could tell from the rings without using a magnifying glass. that's how close the rings were together about him or some of
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it, ram, be it. but among cox, if the what they call them a box will be in this state forestry authority has promised to protect certain areas hollywood, but they are felling trees elsewhere. as a result, the forest is disappearing in the blue mud. the indigenous sammy are known to be rather reserved and not just in front of the camera, but this was the last straw at 5 on friday, the sounds of logging no longer rang out in the ancient forest. getting hold of footage of loggers at work wasn't easy. and
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this is a duty, yes. cru, 20 years later in the same forest that was due to be cut down for many years now. she's been teaching young people how to look after reindeer, and she has 6 grand children of her own. the forest as he was inherited from our ancestors. it is it's our in heavy us, even if the landy zone quite as big and he yoga iraq. well it's ho oh on sale. oh so oh, for money it as she talks, she slips into her role as grandmother. i was going to say that one thing i would be doing in the 4th,
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likely without something work to do would be to play with my grandchildren. so how little there's a hole in that 3. there must be a bird. he needs to then and look how big death that threes can you read your hat? is rowdy thorn who lives in that hold on to that 3 for the saw me. the forest is a door to the natural world and to look back into their past. you know, it was got your grand grand grandfather who cut these 3 in this archival footage, clevi powder shoes, the way to a spot where the 1st snow had covered the signs of fresh felling. 10 years earlier,
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the state own forestry company had cut down a few trees here, but left many standing. there were all we'll hook up because they didn't even tell us beforehand they just sent in a forest harvester. go get all the remains will be cleared with fire listed and run a good. there won't be anything left off or reindeer here for dozens of years. the winter and law plant or sopped me, as it's called by the indigenous sammy, people starts at the end of september. that's when things start to get tough for the reindeer that roam free. here, finding food is a struggle 20 years later, there's been no further logging here and the european union is keeping a watchful eye that it stays that way. for sammy reindeer hurt her cal evie potter that remains a triumph, but not one that he boasts about. this army often face defeat in their conflicts
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with the authorities back then. their cause was helped by the fact that major german publishers began refusing to buy timber from the ancient forests. here when calabi pod, our walks through the forest, he doesn't just see the trees. he always has his reindeer and there needs in mind spotting things many others might miss good millicat for them. this small liken grows on birches, vital when there's nothing else as a portal habitually and it takes time for new like in to grow back longer than a human life span. he says, more like a century. i go yoga fucked in back then they stopped clear cutting and we didn't let up with them
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. there were more campaigns here been of the room with and that's why it's been quiet here for years off. google, you can see it. we don't need to keep our animals and enclosures any more. they can roam freely through the woods and that is what even in winter. ah, and then he looks out over the land. he knows that a big mining company wants to look for or here. as soon as one threat is averted, the next appears on the horizon. but he refuses to give up. our journey continues in northern europe. from in ari in finland, we will head to the forests just across the border from won't oh. and then on to ega, yadi in swedish lapland. our journey will end in norway in count. okay, know? ah,
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at 1st glance sweden looks like one big forest. no other european country has so many trees. they cover close to 3 quarters of its land mass. but the gaps become more visible, the further north you go. in many places, it looks more like a lunar landscape, such as here close to warn you on the border between sweden and finland, nearly 200 kilometers above the arctic circle. environmental activist, carolina couse on blame, swedish timber companies, greenpeace put signs up that read, do not cut. and then i'm gonna get on power to see when you drive around here you see one clear cut area after another school go and ask for what they've replanted your ad. it bears no comparison bad of mafia. podium on all the trees are the same age and are planted in long rows. the. this is a very aggressive type of forestry management. these are tree plantations,
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not forests, that is toronto. we can see what the environmental activist is talking about. 40 kilometers further south. in other countries, individual trees tend to be selected for felling in sweden. it's more industrial. yeah. can you get cutting is a very rigid system. everything and i mean everything is leveled and removed as 30 to 40 years later. they thin out what they've planted milan. this works in opposition to nature rather than in harmony with it. a ankles, forestry worker and a harvester can clear as much forest as 2 dozen lovers could. in the past. the machines enormous tires leave behind, packed soil, and deep ruts in the ground. it's no surprise that it takes many years for anything to grow back. here too. there were plans to clear huge
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areas of forest belonging to sweden state own forest re company. sway ask oak, but as in in ari reindeer, herders and environmental activists joint forces to stop it from going ahead with patrols and months long demonstrations. the company with its upscale headquarters in downtown stockholm ultimately gave in to the pressure. and the man at the helm bowed out. we meet the new c e o eric, but on smile in our interview, he accepts that mistakes were made. we previously haven't managed that conflicts and in an optimal way. and there have been situations where we have not advanced the possibilities for that for, for to render hers to true practice their profession back to the forests, owned by severe school. $4000.00 reindeer rome in the munoz,
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sammy hurting district on the border with finland in summer. there's enough food for them. and in the autumn, the semi wild animals like to eat mushrooms. we meet huns houma, the chairman of the local reindeer heard in cooperative. does he believe the forestry companies knew promises? at the moment? he says no logging is taking place and he hopes it will stay that way. it's high time. he adds a lot more than one hold up in may. of course, we hope that things will improve any clue that there will be a new course. one thanks eric. warren's mom has come to see us up here. new new let . to be honest. it's 30 years too late. and the chances i'm a bailey, that most of the old growth forests have disappeared. they mark can i stay that cold winter in lapland is a tough time, and the changing climate and erratic weather patterns are making conditions even
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tougher. hunts homa has prepared as best he can. he regularly gives his herds supplementary. food liking contains carbohydrates in march and april. that's often all the animals have to eat in the wild. we sort of has a decrease the volumes that we take out if we want to have lichens in place, if we want to craze. corridors, create shelter and protection reindeer, all joined all year. this house, of course, any at least for now there's piece, the do not cut signs are being taken down. oh, it's one of the ones of them. we've saved about $150.00 trees or so in 13 forest areas. but on a lot of these are trees that stay as cook was going to cut down. let's roll as of will the trees now have to do without your protection?
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yes. now it's up to see as coke or colleagues from greenpeace, i seem to sort of have enough trust at the moment that they left the area and focus on order issues. and i think that's a good time spent the evening somewhere else. the swedish forestry company is also taking concrete steps. 3, our school has announced a 20 percent cut in future annual felling. oh, lake eod, a is in a forest near i. you know, in swedish lapland, looked at my vos reindeer cooperative, takes its animals here to graze in winter. fiasco was going to log here too, but so far hasn't reindeer herders. brita seen us. jago leads us into her forest, but it's not actually hers. it's owned by others who can do pretty much what they
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want. evaluate the former, you all are inside and you can cut down everything but except to what's around the stone age encampments of our ancestors. that dan, that almost you are asked on the forest harvest is, aren't allowed to directly encroach on them. it black them men of all that god to add them to litigating. since time immemorial, the forests around ag youdie have served as winter pasture for the reindeer. archaeologists can confirm that dawn, how do i and then this is probably the size of a fire pit and a traditional saw me tent, a cota within the must board. and this of de la, the traces we've left behind our subtle walk omaha sitting with a trained eye. all you can see is the stone read a school goofy exam for the forestry industry has changed. all that within just one generation ended, alan scott, beth,
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the intervention has changed the entire landscape if the trees have been felled and everything's turned upside down. as far as that has grown over 1000 years just disappears all. but then the mother of the longer you spend with the sammy, the more you come to see the world and the forest through their eyes. at 1st glance, this lodgepole pine plantation is just a dry canal for us forest that has been very densely planted. but for brita steen us jago, it's deeply troubling that the holiday there vash doesn't. this is the was kind of 3 when it comes to reindeer heard. 8 or mark on talk problem. paul. it's an invasive species from north america. it's been widely planted hero now went to pass . chainsaw also ma plenty se valley stores. these trees have lots of needles, like which thickly carpeted forest william b. after often pock balsamic, it's an alien body or for it, it acts like
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a barrier through little saw the reindeer avoid these plantation either by plant often. blue rascal has now stopped planting pine as contort her. it's latin name, while it grows 40 percent faster than other pine species, it's a lot more vulnerable to high winds and all it also blocks out a lot of light. you can see how it stuns other forest growth. just by looking at this little tree. yeah. can she sexual your? it's 26 and 27 years old and the quarter, but it still says small because the controls have pine as taken away. its light went off. alanna it brita steen us jago could wish for any house? perhaps it would be this one here with its panoramic views, but it has a draw the entire land around the house belongs to the state and see us coke is responsible for managing this land. there may be a truth for now,
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but if you tend to think in centuries like this, army, people, just the thought of clear cutting is hard to bear. and how long will the piece last? may be swear, scope hasn't changed. it's weighs that much bad on road that the ag out in the heflin harder that is ag. out at the lake haskal going to home school vargas rascal, replace co calamity to lug the whole area around the lake thing. so my lagoon for her that who seth an old saw me woman used to live here of would that if you got to and she was almost 90 and she sold her house because she couldn't cope with clearing the snow. and the, the watering dorcas scoff was no longer there, often a german i t expert bought it till, and he lives here full part of the year. some board i knew the a lot of order. i told him last year, what might happen them if you will, that they as good, clear cut the land rice around the house since it think it he was very disappointed and outraging. oh, humbly sucked yet the lesson yet to receive him right now,
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it's still possible to walk through the woodland to get to the water. and what would a lunch break in the forest beat without a camp fire? started with the help of birch bark and it has the advantage of burning when it's damp it falls. do you think that? and then there's spring water cache had drunk out of a couple made from the thicker part of a tree where there was a knothole and a battered coffee pot that has obviously seen many a camp fire. the hot over or this on the, at a new weight, an old pine forest that isn't too dense. palm school, get some verifying school. there's like an on the forest floor and hanging from the trees and all those magnetic rad them the sammy would like to see this kind of forest everywhere, but for decades. so escal has been felling all trees that reach a certain age. what's left is
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a patchwork of primeval forest. less on alt will gait it on, all right, god, only 15 percent is left of the entire old forest host of his far some in that home . the rest has been cut down all back along. they owe you at them hide what's left, our little islands, lease oases that aren't connected, yadi long scoff bunk and these small areas of ancient forest are of course especially precious kuhn with the other domes, more or more gonna at the moment there aren't any animals grazing in the lakeside forest, they're still in the highlands, the swedish, yet the reindeer eat, with they can find their grasses, bushes, mushrooms, in late spring, brita. se dina's jagow reindeer intuitively find their way to the higher ground and back to the valley where they were born. in late autumn, their sense of orientation takes them back to their winter grazing pastors to ega
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youdie. it would be ideal if the animals could actually find food here. and the cooperative didn't have to buy commercial fodder to get them through the winter. but there's just not enough in these desolate woods. after hearing all that, you might think that's fair, skulked c, e. o. eric brown's mom would be well advised to come here to if you really wants to restore faith in his company, we're headed now to cow to k no. one day. it could look like this across lapland. if the forest can no longer provide enough food due to unpredictable weather patterns and invasive species,
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these are scenes from norway and the ancestral home of the indigenous sammy, people. reindeer actually don't like getting too close to humans. especially pregnant animals we've reached northern norway reindeer have been living here from time immemorial, more or less independently. newly. but now more and more of them need to be fed. ah, me. the old old people say the reindeer. i'd wanna meet me. i'm not gonna be the radio, but now it's the opposite. bob, we have to feed the radio. there is a frenzy when father and daughter opened the sacks of food. the fodder is made from
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local grass and compressed in the factory. ah, in time chasing credit. here you can see the fate that might be awaiting other regions. the arctic is warming 4 times faster than the rest of the world because you can see the range behind here. 90 percent of those are pregnant females in spring may maybe get one called h. if we are lucky, ah. meanwhile,
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word has gotten out about the free lunch. a reindeer from a neighboring cooperative has snuck n ah . property is sacred here. giving back a stray animal is a matter of honor. the reindeer gets tied up like a parcel for the journey back to its own heard then the reindeer herder explains how you would look at the reindeers right here. yeah, it has a different pattern than our reindeer of it on the tip, but mud so that that ah,
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if the old growth forests could be saved, then these reindeer would have a chance of continued freedom and of surviving in the wilderness. surely it's worth a try to almost add more toward the entire forest gone. who chances so cut down against our will peace for you at all. it feels unjust law. so sounds car is done on ella and what will become of the wood off the present? the 80 percent of it will be used up very quickly and most of it will be turned into paper in the blue book better. ah
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