analysis on d w dot com to follow up on the social key as well. the handle is at dw knees until galactic woke. thanks for watching. ah, thought someone else to the hardwood t. v highlights the selected for you. you every week in your a box. subscribe now. mm. leonardo da vinci's, mysterious masterpiece. ah, it is perhaps the greatest leonardo masterpiece in the collection of the louvre. and no, it is not the mona lisa. it is the virgin of the rocks,

2 versions, multiple copies, and a hidden drawing. was there another symbolic meaning to this beautiful painting that perhaps we just don't understand? a search for answers store to february 10th on d, w ah, yad vashem, situated on the mount of remembrance in jerusalem, is the world's foremost remembrance center for the holocaust. it's chairman, danny diane's once vowed never to set foot in germany. but his since reversed that decision. he'll accompany an exhibition of artifacts from the holocaust on display in the bonus tag in berlin. then it,

i am. thank you for your time to thank you for having me. you vowed that you would never visit germany. they the country responsible for the matter. 6000000 jews, but you are in fact going to berlin with a special exhibition from the museum here. yet for sham ah, what change your mind? well, i made the decision of a very young age. i'm not to visit germany. but the problem for it's nothing to do with, hey, to or, or something like that. on the contrary, it's everything about memory. you know, there is an interesting, deuced edition, not many just do it these days, but that still exists. the argos that keep it small part of it wall in the department, in their home not painted. why? in order to remember the destruction of jerusalem, 2000 years ago, every time they see it, they remembered that journals that it was destroyed, 2000 years ago than the temple was destroy. that's the reason i did it. it's my

staying on there on the wall. and when i look at the map of the place as a visitor, they see a white, a stain on the map of europe with germany. and i remember why i don't visit germany . it's to kip, to give my respect to the 6000000 jews that were murdered. but the same reason that prevented me from visiting germany this day is there isn't. that brings me to germany now was chairman of yet a ship because as chairman of yet but ship by visiting germany, i have the ability to amplify remembrance of the shore to amplify their respect that the spade to the victims are not only on a personal basis but also to much larger base in a mulatto basis because it will be reported that the seeing that and exhibition will be seen by many persons. so it's basically the same decision, the circumstances change, not my decision. now and let's talk

a little bit about where we are today and for him, it's celebrating or marking, rather it's 70th year this year. and how is it developed in the 7 decades as the world's foremost memorial to the victims of the holocaust. i has developed completely, 1st of all, the fact that the issue was established by crescent legislation in 1953. but actually the gathering of archival documentation started even before it started in the late forty's, even before this published at the state of israel air. but they think that it was started as an archive and a bunch of monuments developed into a multi for set the edition that these, as you said, the most prominent the most important, the holocaust that remembers distribution in the world. some of the far think out the fact that we have here, or if you are a one being bring you to tears immediately the moment you see them,

the largest library and our collection of collection, the odd that was produced during the hollow, coastal immediately afterward, which is something quite mind boggling. it is a remarkable archive. i know that you've managed to be able to collect over these years. but sadly, as the years roll on, we know that many survivors are dying. they will continue to die and, and one day they will be, of course, no survivors, no living survivors of the holocaust left. when there are no survivors, how will that affect you think the memory of the show are and what's the best way to keep that memory alive and it will be very challenging. good. it's a clear that that will work will be much more difficult, but it also will be much more important. because when that happens, i am convinced that that will be the happy hour of their denial is than the distortion is that the existence of the day. but then they will thrive it,

and that's one of the reasons we in a race against the clock against the calendar. now i'd like to talk about your, your appointment. you, you took the reins in 2021, something you've called the greatest honor of your life. and you have a happy, surprising candidate for the yard fishing chairmanship you were previously representing for the settler movement. you also worked as a diplomat representing israel in new york. at the time of your appointment, there was a bit of debate, was quite a lot of debate around whether or not that would politicize the role of chairman of you. and for shame you vowed at the time to maintain a firewall between yourself and the memorial. and, and politics have you managed to do that? yes, the moment i a was appointed by the government, the federal us chairman of he had burcham. i put the firewall between me and politics in the air. look, this, the admission i took upon myself is sacred and they will never stand it with

a political, a interest, thoughts, or, or, or considerations. i will tell you a story and my 1st been any advice shimaya was they come to the out museum will fall. and there is a quote in a wall that is in a brew on, in english, but florida was it right then he made ish, a painter, a gala 6, then the continued to mccarthy in the war. so get the 1941 and she hid their archer out the, in the and that was recovered after the war, but also had last will and testament was recovered. and the quotas from that will. and she says, i know i am doomed. i will not survive in that she didn't, but they bequeath my works of art to the jewish institutions that will be established after the war. when a so that quote, i almost fainted. i understood that she's talking to me. i am now the executor of that will and natalie gillard sections will, but says 1000000 wilson,

this elements. and they, therefore it's my obligation to do it in the most objective and clear way. can we seeing arise in anti semitism around the world at something? you know, you've spoken about a great length in what ways do you say that playing out? well, i'm a personal, a story. i live to new york in august 2016. the service is raised, consul general, they're convinced that they some it is and will be in a law place in my agenda in may. i'm in new york in the united states. 15 jews were murdered, not attacked, murdered in that they submit the carfax so, and they sent me pissing, unfortunately, driving again in the world. and there, you know what they tell worldly. does that come to yet vashem a especially to work lead? this is when you see on base, i mean, does them act immediately? don't wait. if your weight antisemitism will met us,

thighs into monstrous than men, shall cindy, be impossible to stop it? you actually touched on it and before and i think i do think it's an important point though in the distance between the holocaust and today, do you think that there is a correlation between a resurgence of anti semitism you just mentioned that perhaps once the last of ivers die out, we might see even further resurgence of it. is there a correlation to relate between the events of the holocaust? yes or no and i said business antisemitism, antisemitism but we are not in germany of the 9030. no, we are not. we are far from it that we should not get close to that, god forbid. but you know the difference between our generation then contemporary generation and jewish or not jewish, and the donation of that $9030.00 jewish and not jewish is that we have experience . we know it can happen, probably they, they had the privilege to believe they tend to believe that they can burn books and

can burn synagogues, but we never burn human beings. we don't have that privilege. we know that it can come to burning human beings. so that's the difference, and that gives us an added responsibility on our shoulders to combat that they submit these him and racism accent fabia natalie at the same. it is about that. they didn't empirically, it's the most lethal. it's sort of fun things off of racism. so we have to do it now. what do you see as the admissions role in combating anti semitism? well, you know that we're all of the other shem is to remember and make. remember, the sure. are all gonna zation. i think that 6000000 jews that were massacred in the shore are entitled to an organization and institution that solidly, that the quote that to them exclusively dedicated to them. but the very essence of show, our remembrance is a very power to,

to combat that they submit this. and i will give you an example from the last weeks and there were 2 very prominent american celebrities said that they made very traveling statements. one is kenya west and he was clearly an anti semite. i wouldn't bring kenny, i was 3 out of a shame because it's a waste of time. probably he would even enjoy adventure because that jews are ear display. what goldberg on the, on the other hand said that the show was not the an issue about race. it was a classic conflict between 2 whites, white groups, which is nonsense. that's but the thought antisemitic that ignorance, she simply doesn't know. the fact that big nazis saw the jewish people right or wrong desert place, and there was no conflict between jews and, and the nazis. that was the, an onslaught of the nazis against the jews. so what the goldberg on the other hand, instead of suspending her for 2 weeks or 3rd network did,

they should have sent her to the other shame because what we got going to can be educate that kenya, where's those know, this is a waste of time. so we do not try to educate the anti semites. we tried to educate the decent people of the world that they believe of the vast majority to stand against them. they said it is as you prepared to make your 1st visit to germany. what are your expectations, or perhaps your hopes and even fears? well, eh, if i have personally, and he visions, but that is a personal matter between me on my side air bag. you know, in addition to opening the exhibition in the book, this doug with the speaker of the bundle staggered present of the bundle like i will meet the entire edge of my leadership, the president, the counselor, several ministers, the head of the opposition a and then we have to think together, i'm not sure i come to to think together with them to consult with them and to give

them. yes, sir, without modest the advice a how were to continue to keep the flame of a holocaust remembrance, alight to make sure that you know, there is an academic discussion, a fair. they show eyes unique or unprecedented. unique means that it happened why son would not happen again unprecedented. they didn't happen for him, but he's got been again how we keep the sure unique that we educate and we legislate than we enforce law in order to make sure that a terrible event of the 20th century never happens. again, not the good jewish people to not do any other people, not perpetuated by germany, not by any other nation than is i am. thank you very much for speaking to d. w. thank you.

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