hillock company, an exhibition of artifacts from the holocaust on display in the bonus tag in berlin . danita, and thank you for your time to thank you for having me. you vowed that you would never visit germany. they the country responsible for the murderer. 6000000 jews, but you are in fact going to berlin with a special exhibition from the museum here yet for him. ah, what change your mind? well, i made the decision of a very young age or not to visit germany, but it wasn't the, it's nothing to go with the hey, or something like that. on the contrary, it's everything about memory. you know, there is an interesting, deuced edition, not many just do it these days, but it still exists. the objects that keep it small part of it wall in the apartment in their home not painted. why? in order to remember the destruction of jerusalem, 2000 years ago,

every time they see it, they remembered that journals that it was destroyed to 1000 to years ago than the temple was destroy. that's the reason i did it. it's my staying on the, on the wall, and when i look at the map of the place as a visitor, they see a white, a stain on the map of europe with germany. and i remember why i don't visit germany . it's to kip to give my respect to the 6000000 jews that were murdered. but the same reason that prevented me from visiting germany this day is there isn't. that brings me to germany now was chairman of yet a ship because as chairman of yet but sion, by visiting germany, i have the ability to amplify remembrance of the shore to amplify the respect that the spade to the victims are not only on a personal basis but also to a much larger base in a similar to basis because it will be reported that the seeing that and exhibition

will be seen by many persons. so it's basically the same decision, the circumstances change, not my decision. now and let's talk a little bit about where we are today and for him, it's celebrating or marking, rather it's 70th year this year. and how is it developed in the 7 decades as the world's foremost memorial to the victims of the holocaust. i has developed completely 1st of all, the fact that the yeah gotcha was established by chris at legislation in 1953, but actually the gathering of archival documentation started even before it started in the late forty's, even before this published of the state of israel air but they think that they would start that as an archive and a bunch of monuments developed into a multi for set the institution's that these, as you said, the most prominent, the most important, the holocaust that remembers distribution in the world. some of the fact that out

the fact that we have here, or if you are a one being bring you to tears immediately the moment you see them, the largest library and our collection of collection, the ard, that was produced during the hollow, coastal immediately afterward, which is something quite my book big. it is a remarkable archive. i know that you've managed to be able to collect over these years. but sadly, as the is roll on, we know that many survivors are dying. they will continue to die and, and one day they will be, of course, no survivors, no living survivors of the holocaust left. when there are no survivors, how will that affect you think the memory of the show are and what's the best way to keep that memory alive and it will be very challenging her. it's a clear that that will work will be much more difficult, but it also will be much more important because when that happens, i am convinced that that will be the happy hour of their denial is than the

distortion of this, that the existence of the day but then they will thrive a and bed. that's one of the reasons we in a race against the clock, against the calendar. now like to talk about your, your appointment, you, you took the reins in 2021, something you've called the greatest honor of your life. and you have a hops, a surprising candidate for the yard fishing chairmanship you were previously representing from the settler movement. you also worked as a diplomat representing israel in new york. at the time of your appointment, there was a bit of debate, was quite a lot of debate around whether or not that would politicize the role of chairman of the on fish ham. you vowed at the time to maintain a firewall between yourself and the memorial and politics. have you managed to do that? yes, the moment i a was appointed by the government, the federal as german of he had burcham. i put the firewall between me and politics

in the air. listen, the admission i took upon myself is sacred and they will never stand it with a political, a interest, thoughts, or, or of considerations. i will tell you a story and my 1st day in any advice shimaya was taken to the museum of park. and there is a quote on a wall that is in a blue on, in english, but thought it was a threat. then he made the sh, a painter a gala 6, then the continued to mccarthy in the war. so get the 1941. and she hid their archer out in the and that was recovered after the war. but also had lost will. and testament was recovered. and the quote was from that will and she says, i know i am doomed. i will not survive in that she didn't, but they bequeath my works of art to the jewish institutions that will be established after the war. when i saw that quote,

i almost fainted. i understood that she's talking to me. i am now the executor of that will. and natalie gillard sections with, but says 1000000 wilson, this elements. and they, therefore, it's my obligation to do it in the most objective and clear way can we seeing arise in anti semitism around the world at something you've spoken about at great length in what ways do you say that playing out? well, i'm a personal story. i live to new york in august 2016 to serve us israel consul general. they're convinced that they submit this and will be in a law place in my agenda in may. i'm in new york in the united states 15 jews were murdered, not attacked, murdered in that they submit the carfax. so antisemitism, unfortunately thriving again in the world. and there, you know what they tell worldly. does that come to yet vashem

a especially the work leaders? is when you see and they sent me these them act immediately. don't wait. if you wait, antisemitism will met us thighs into monstrous than men, shall cindy, be impossible to stop it. you actually touched on it and before and i think i do think it's an important point though in the distance between the holocaust and today, do you think that there is a correlation between the resurgence of anti semitism you just mentioned that perhaps once the last of ivers die out, we might see even further resurgence of it. is there a correlation to relate between the events of the holocaust? yes or no. anti semitism is anti simon business anti semitism but we are not in germany of the 9030 snow. we are not. we are far from it that we should not get close to that, god forbid. but you know the difference between our generation then contemporary generation and jewish or non jewish and the donation of the 93rd is jewish and not jewish is that we have experience. we know it can happen, probably they,

they had the privilege to believe they may, they tend to believe that they can burn books and can burn synagogues, but we never burned human beings. we don't have that privilege. we know that it can come to burning human beings. so that's the difference. and that gives us an added responsibility on our shoulders to combat that they submit these him and racism accent fabia, natalie anti semitism that this is empirically the most lethal. it's sort of fun things off of racism, so we have to do it now. what do you see as the on fish and role in combating antisemitism? well you know that we're all of the other shem is to remember and make. remember, the sure are gonna zation. i think that 6000000 jews that were massacred in the show are, are entitled to an organization and institution that the solemnly dedicated to them

exclusively dedicated to them. but the very essence of show our remembrance is a very power to, to combat that they same. it is. and i will give you an example from the last weeks . and there were 2 very prominent american celebrities said that they made very troubling statements. one is canny a worst and he was clearly an anti semite. i wouldn't bring kenny, i was 3 out of a shame because it's a waste of time. probably he would have been enjoying that voucher because that jews are ear display will be goldberg on the, on the other hand said that to the show i was not the an issue about race. it was a classic conflict between 2 whites, white groups, which is nonsense that, but the thought antisemitic that ignorance, she simply doesn't know the fact that big not this. so the jewish people, right or wrong as the thrice. and there was no conflict between joseph and the

nazis. there was an onslaught of the nazis against the jews. so what the goldberg on the other hand, instead of suspending her for 2 weeks or 3rd network did, they should have sent her to the other shame because what we got that can be educated, kenya was those know, this is a waste of time. so we do not try to educate the anti semites. we try to educate the decent people of the world that they believe of the vast majority to stand against them. they said it is, as you prepared to make your 1st visit to germany, what are your expectations, or perhaps your hopes and even fears? well, eh, yes, i have personally and he visions, but that is a personal matter between me on my side. air bag, you know, in addition to opening the exhibition in the book, this thug with the speaker of the bundle staggered present of the bundle. like i will meet the entire edge of my leadership, the president, the counselor,

several ministers, the head of the opposition, a. and they, we have to think together. i'm not sure i can to think together with them to consult with them and to give them yes, we don't modest the advice and how to continue to keep the flame of holocaust remembrance. alight to make sure that you know that he's been academic discussion if they're shy, unique or precedent. that unique means that it happened why son would not happen again. unprecedented. didn't happen before, but you've got been again how we keep the show unique that we educate then we legislate and we enforce law in order to make sure that that terrible event of the 20 century never happens again. not to the jewish people, to not do any other people, not perpetrated by germany,

not by any other nation. done is i am. thank you very much for speaking to d. w. thank you. ah, ah, with a weight is also vulnerable to attacks since the start of the war and you create this scandinavian country has become europe's largest gas supplier, also making it a potential target for access. sabotaged. armed forces are on high alert

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