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i currently more people than enter on the news world wide in such a passion life. but it was in progress that a lot of money. that's what i believe with the best i find out about bailey's story. info, migraines, reliable news for migrant. wherever they may be ah, it's been a busy week for countries back in ukraine in its war against russian aggression. they've announced billions of euros and dollars worth of air defense systems, helicopters, and missile systems. the u. k broke ranks with its nato partners and promised to send a challenge, a heavy tanks, while germany is still under heavy pressure to send it's leopard to tax. today they all came together at the u. s. air base at ramstein in germany to try and find
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a way forward, but still no sign of those tax. i'm fill gail in berlin and this is the day. ah, we see that the rush was building all planning for new offensive against that ukraine. this is not a moment to slow down. it's time to dig deeper as much as it takes for as long as it takes really hesitating, we are just very carefully in balance and all that proven contra and you heard the, the german minister of defense say that or not made a decision on what time remains era we will make our decision very soon as possible. also on the day, how will russia respond to this surgeon western weapons?
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will it prompt a rethink of the kremlin plans, a present boon could end this war to day? it's, he started it, it's his war of choice, and he could end it today because it's turning into an absolute catastrophe for russia. a welcome to the day a ukraine went into the week with high hopes of finally taking delivery of the elusive leopard twos. those advanced germans made battle tanks that would hopefully, tip the scales against russian forces. pressure on germany to announce its approval has been building, and it wasn't as if there was no opportunity. chancellor shoves doc the duct, the issue during his speech at the world economic forum. and there was no word after bilateral talks in berlin between us and german defense ministers. and to day, all eyes were on the meeting of the ukraine contact group, the usa a base in ramstein. but here to keep hopes were dashed, talks ended with no decision. germany defense minister saying his country needed
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more time to think the question of whether germany will send tanks to ukraine, took center stage at ramstein air base. but instead of giving the green light, germany's new defense minister just said that it is up to the chancellor to make that call. but if i need to have an insured in the event of a negative decision, nothing needs to be done again. but in the event of a positive decision, we have to move quickly because it is then a matter of training, checking the leopard tanks and the like, my them all, that's what this morning i ordered my ministry to examine the stock of the different types of leopard tanks, both in our own forces and in the industry in an agony slide captain ice all go by the end of p as sounds that has led to criticism, including from other partners who want to supply the same kind of battle thanks to ukraine, poland and finland for example, are willing to send them to ukraine fast, but also need the green light from berlin. despite the dilemma of are tangs exports,
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us defense secretary lloyd austin had warm was for germany, a country that he called the reliable l i going forward can do more. no germany has contributed a lot to this sir, to this campaign. ah, you know, from the very beginning when we saw them, ah, cycle in defense capability are the gift cards are the patriots most recently? irish t, r. they stepped up and offered to provide martyrs they will provide are those models and conduct for training on those platforms. but for many, including these protestors who gathered outside their chancellor relate friday. berlin is dragging its feet when it comes to sending tanks. well d w was that for your ramstein air base for that meeting. here is our chief political correspondent, nina hossa, the pressure on germany to give its green light to leopard to combat tank deliveries remains high after this meeting at ramstein. some observers are saying
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that the fact that the new german defense minister announced that he's now taking stock of what germany would theoretically have in terms of leopard to capabilities can be seen as a sign that the german government is almost there. forest historian announced that a decision will come very soon in the next days or weeks. now, one thing came out of from some very clearly, the new man in the job is much better at communicating publicly than his predecessor was something that cannot be underestimated at the time when western unity and western resolve is being tested like it is because of russia's aggression as nina hasa at ramstein, let's get into this. we're that brussels correspondence. terry schultz who covers nato developments. welcome, terry. given the pressure at germany has been under for weeks, if not months, we surprised to hear no announcement about these tanks today. i don't think the german government had ever made clear that it would make an announcement at this
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ramstein meeting. i think, as you mentioned, it was just thought that the pressure would become so intense that it would have to say something more than per story. i said, i'm sure that this didn't bring any solace to ukraine, the, the idea that now germany would be taking stock of what it has in a, in its, in its store houses as far as lepers go. but at least it is movement ahead. well, terry, i want to ask you about the reasons for germany's apparent reluctance to send these that tanks or to give it permission for their use. first though, i think it would be useful to hear from vladimir lansky and the german defense minister, polish for stories. both speaking at today's meeting time remains irrational level. we have to speed up. time must become our common weapon and we have to balance all the pros and cons will be 40, receive the side, things like that. just like there is nothing else. and i'm very sure that there
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will be a decision in the short term. so we have ukraine saying we need these now you have to speed up and germany saying, well, we have to make a considered a decision on this. terry shoulds, have you heard any clear articulation from germany, from the chancellor about the arguments against allowing these tongues to go to cry? well, germany certainly has been under a lot of scrutiny and even ridicule for the list of excuses that it's given about why it doesn't want to send the leopards or now that it's not ready to do it quite yet. the chancellor said that he didn't want to be alone in sending tanks, that he didn't want to be the 1st to send tanks to ukraine. now, as you mentioned earlier, the u. k has stepped up and become the 1st western allied to do that. so that excuses out the window. then the chancellor said, of course that he didn't want to be seen as taking a direct role in the conflict. but they've gone ahead and sent other very heavy weaponry, so that doesn't really hold water either. i don't think that the idea that defense
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minister for story is put forward today is going to be any more well received that they're going to take stock. they've had plenty of time to do that, so i think that he was just put on the spot and had to come up with some kind of answer. the fact that they've been considering the pros and cons for a long time already means that today's excuse i think isn't going to go over well either. meanwhile, poland is reported to be saying that very, very well, go ahead and send their leopard to tongues to ukraine without german consent is not likely to happen. i'm not sure it is likely to happen. it was certainly meant to put even more pressure on germany. but poland is not the only one. finland has said that it would be ready to send its leopards. and just to de the czech republic and slovakia, which together have ordered. 30 leopards, see that they'd be willing to send that entire shipment over to ukraine. but they need german consent for this, and this is the 2nd part of, of the pressure that germany is under. germany is not only deciding whether to send
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its own leopards, but none of these countries who bought them from germany can send theirs without german cas consent. so i think that is puzzling to a lot of people why if germany doesn't want to be seen as, as taking more of a power to support, put participatory role in the conflict. why it doesn't let other countries step up and do that. many countries as many as a dozen allies have leopard tanks, and it really doesn't, doesn't sit well with them that they're not allowed to do what they want with their leopard. twos. this week i did bring some good news for ukraine. it is getting another $2500000000.00 worth of military assistance from the u. s. heavy artillery from finland and sweden. how it says from france and denmark, and patriots on the way, as nato turned a corner. you think, terry? i don't think that they're the announcement of new contributions that we saw today . we're, we're anything surprising. we have seen allies gradually and continually step up
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the quality of weapons, the quantity of weapons that they're sending to ukraine. remember at the beginning of the conflict, the soviet era weapons were the 1st things that went to the things that other countries basically would have wanted to get rid of any way and, and gradually as the ukrainians burned through these weapons. and through that ammunition, they got higher grade weapons and as quickly as they could be trained on them, the allies were, were willing to send them them more advanced weaponry that they really need to stand up to the, to the russians. and now this discussion of tanks is another one of those examples that you know, they don't seem ready to do it in math yet, but this was true of the patriots as well. they were never going to send patriots until they were ready to send patriot. so i'm sure that the ukrainians are just hoping that it's just a matter of days before more latrice will send tanks as well. will, amid the promises of new weaponry i nato chief against alton vanka issued to some words of warning. today we'll hear from him and then come back to terry. on,
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in addition to the new platforms, we need also to remember that we need to not on it or focus on new platforms, but also to ensure that all the proper forms which are all due there. oh, come functions asked, i should mean that we need a munition. we need a spare parts, we need a maintenance and we, the training attorney shall says, can get lost in all the discussions about tanya's concept. this idea that you can get all these weapons while you might face a shortage of ammunition. not just ammunition, but as secretary general stores and bring mentioned spare parts. this is in fact, one of the excuses. the u. s. uses for not sending the m one abrams tanks, they say that they're so expensive and it would be hard to get spare parts, hard to repair them, harder than the leopard twos. but you know, every time i read these announcements of new contributions, i make sure to check or they also sending ammunition with them. this has been a really sore spot for the ukrainians. they have literally run out of bullets in some,
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some places along the front line and you'll see reports from the trenches with the soldier saying, i don't have anything left to shoot. so this is really a big concern. and it, there, it's been a problem for europe to produce ammunition quickly enough to re supply the ukrainians, much less build their own stock, piles back up. so this is something nato has been trying to coordinate ramping up production lines on ammunition on spare parts. so that while they're sending these advanced weapon systems to ukraine, they're also going to be able to fix them when they inevitably get broken, you know, run out of run out of spare parts. this is really important as important as sending the weapons themselves and that terry data, because monetary shells in brussels ah, russia's response to these latest weapons pledges has been to repeat its warnings about the risks of escalation. the continent says the conflict is developing into an upward spiral in the west is under what he called a dramatic delusion. if it thinks that ukraine can win on the battlefield is
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present. putin's spokesman to meet you pass cough a let's explore this with nikolai patrick. he's a senior research fellow and the russian and eurasia program, the chatham house, think tank in london. welcome to the w. let's start with these latest weapons from is to ukraine, may be a leper tank. certainly, patriots, and a long list of other advanced equipment. how do you think these promises are affecting the calculus of this war in moscow? i think all these plans are taken very seriously by the cram them,
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and i would wait for russian that fancy to stop it. wanted to be a new weaponry. but in general, russian looks, i get this war s as the water from attrition. and it thinks the ground and thinks they have grocery, it's much they have to prepare for this war to reach. and 1st of all, there is the difference between the reserves that production. so why green bought a lot of weapons, but well, reserves and so in the end and russia is spread using a, although all a numbers recently,
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just for example, all russia bridge uses more rockets of them. the rest of the of the can together. ok, so it, if it comes to it, it's at the moment it can wait this out. and what of the apparent discord between germany and seemingly that the rest of the u. k. b, ukraine, contact group, that must be music to moscow. z as at the moment. right. but as the wall, germany, like any other european country, is not the see that much as an independent actor. and it was lim, see any of the recent fortunes, remarks, and made us this year a lot of speech way. people that the united states comes rolls entirely, europe and that's why what is decided in washington. europe show should realize so rational look at europe as to the subordinated
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to the united. busy states, of course, a discount on a disagreement, and they've been disappointed by the fact that decisions are the concrete, fos, all countries, including those we should consider the more friendly well positions of your russia a with everybody else. right? so let, let's, let's pick up on the point you made about russia. i re, i mean, you say, so you said that that russia is real me quickly and at scale and at volume. how is it, how are its other preparations going? this idea of mobilizing more troops, and i think you said bits at all so that it is likely that they will bring that plans forward because of these, these pledges. so when speaking, well johnny, we shouldn't disband that. russia cannot reproduce. those wants
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a hasty kit weaponry, it loses the battle, and that's why we do see old fashioned drug. it's like those spread use, even at the time of the soviet union use instead of more sophisticated ones. and on to sanctions. it's very complicated for military industrial complex to produce a happens when it goes out. soldiers, it's easier rations in the country. and so their plan sounds to increase the number of soldiers in the russian army from one b 15 to one of the live near 350 more soldiers. but once again, the problem is connected with a cable to provides
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a super wide weapon. and the answer is no, or at least not that. so why it's my cheese, it to what device, big number of soldiers, and to fly by wanted to rather than by a quality understood. what i'd like to do is to just slightly shift now and look at that, be effective. so on the, the russian public, i'm, are you still with us? we seem to have a couple of technical glitches. nikolai, on it looks like we're, it looks like we're losing the line to me to like petroff, a touch of some house in london. i'm fisher about that, but that thank you so much for joining did out of the situation on the ground in ukraine some months. ukrainian forces have been locked in bloody battles against russian troops in the east. and don bass of fighting has intensified around the town of batman,
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where soldiers and civilians are holding hours in harsh winter conditions. as by the dangers. some volunteers continued to take aid to people in the area. it appears that sonya pharmaca met some of him and keith, i was wrong because that yadi know who the ankle is getting ready to go to the dangers on. she's about to leave for buck route in the east and on bus. we hadn't shamira you, some of it is for hospitals. the doctors often have to cut their uniforms open and the soldiers need close head. and this is for broken bones or joy that ever that i'd seen them. but then she's got magazine pouches and power banks. medical supplies and candles for power shortages. jolina was an actress before the war. now she raises money for supplies and takes them to the front lines. it's risky work. yelena posts about her trips on social media. that's how she raises donations. she had
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a scare on her last trip to buck moved. her group got dangerously close to russian troop positions. and taking aid to those and need isn't always as simple as it sounds. i remember what i was in bahama in november. there aren't many people left issue, some people are pro russian, others a pro ukrainian. there are a few kids and lots of elderly people with well, some of the men shouted at us. there were angry were there, even though we were providing food supplies. it was hard though, a very hostile hummingbird, as usual in the glasgow war. but she's going back even though it's frightening. littlest, rational, the foolish times i'm scared where not superheroes, pet friendly going to the front lines. seeing all of this shelling, it's really inspired me over. and it sounds strange because we see all of this devastation. but it has motivated us to continue working for so long. so getting and there's hope is well,
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she picked these in bucklin 30 and then there were blossoming there. it's a symbol of ukrainian land, said bristol, good fish than will green despite the war, flowers are flourishing their mckinney guitar lesson across stone. alexandra cove shinkel mixed french candles with paraffin wax. b can provide heat as well as light and can be hugely had through the soldiers in freezing winter conditions. the big ones can burn for up to 7 hours and can even help cook foot. alexandra reckons she's made of a $1000.00 so far. one it out that there's up at the children's and then on the front lines use every 3 months left on that them and happy them for some widely question. what does that all it got on down your little because you can't not do anything that you all of them for shipping will at that you have to support them. shows like that. the bush, copper whites out with some more maximum august,
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till then that separate treatment alexandra trench, candles will go with eureka again, yohina leaves the relative safety of keith and heads for the was most dangerous hotspot. ah, south africa president cyril run a poser is holding emergency meetings to arrest the countries that deepening energy crisis. authorities have been imposing rolling blackouts as the countries in battled power utility struggles to meet demand. and the pockets are hitting the economy hard. he w, christine wander reports from johannesburg. this generator is keeping tend to mobile, whose business running that the backup power solution is not a cheap one. and it's costing
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a whole lot more to continue serving the local summer favorite in so little be a fortunate that we have invested in generator pads. the costs of running a sewer took remedy have grown because we be need to purchase a petrol on a regular basis. the past few weeks has seen some of the worst power cuts on record in south africa with the power utility is come. rolling out. nationwide blackouts, locally referred to as low cheating for up to as much as 10 hours a day. even hospitals have not been spared. it does affect a lot of our equipment that we do have on site. for example, like i have mentioned, we have elevators that are obviously put onto the generators which keep going on and off, which is most patients in very dangerous situations by being inside and not being
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able to be able to get out in a country that already has high levels of crime, the power outage is a further compromising safety and security. in some areas, people are scared even use the roads at nights. so peach blacks the sexual right behind me being one of the hot sports people are getting robbed, getting mug cause up being stolen at gunpoint. so those are the issues that we face during low trading, especially when it's peach black at night. so that because coal power stations supply most of the country's electricity, but these power stations are not functioning at full capacity, sub africa uses on average, about $27000.00 megawatts. the moment re struggling to produce 21. and in an electricity system, you've got a match supply and demand instantaneously. exactly. the reason we have load shedding,
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all load reduction in south africa is that is to prevent the grid from collapsing while the power outages are a necessary evil. public outreach is growing. what really riles people up here is that much of the countries electricity problems have been attributed to endemic corruption at the state and power utility and a slowness by the authorities to invest in new sources of energy, especially as the countries coal power plants are very old. they breakdown easily and often have to go for maintenance. that puts them out of commission. as the electricity crisis further deteriorated, the managers of the pal utilities he held emergency meetings with the countries president and other stakeholders that south africans have been warned. there is no quick fix and that the outages will continue for at least a another year. ah. and finally, do be careful what you post online, british prime minister richie. sooner recently,
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you filmed a video in the back of his car while he was traveling in the north of england. but after sharing it on instagram, it quickly drew comments about the fact that he wasn't wearing a seat belt. it also caught the attention of local police who now find the prime minister mister sooner. cat apologized, describing the incident as a brief error of judgment. that was the day if you miss the show, you can always find the current episode, d, w a dot com, forward slash that have a good day. i'm a great weekend with
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