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ross getting 200 people in june around the world more than 300000000 people are seeking refuge. yes. why? because no one should have to flee. make up your own mind. d. w. made for mines. ah, ah. yad vashem, situated on the mount of remembrance in jerusalem, is the world's foremost remembrance center for the holocaust. it's chairman danny diane's once vowed, never to set foot in germany. but as since reversed that decision,

he'll accompany an exhibition of artifacts from the holocaust on display in the bonus tag in berlin. danita and thank you for your time to thank you for having me. you vowed that you would never visit germany. they the country responsible for the murderer, $6000000.00 jews, but you are in fact, going to berlin with a special exhibition from the museum here. yet for him. ah, what change your mind? well, i made the decision of a very young age or not the visit germany, but the problem for it's nothing to do with, hey thor, or something like that. on the contrary, it's everything about memory. you know, there is an interesting, deuced edition, not many just do it these days, but it still exists. the argos that keep it small part of it wall in the department, in their home not painted. why? in order to remembered the destruction of jerusalem 2000 years ago,

every time they see it, they remembered that journals that it was destroyed to 1000 years ago than the temple was destroy. that's the reason i did it. it's my stain on the, on the wall, and when i look at the map of the place as a visitor, they see a white a stain on the map of europe. it's germany. i remember why i don't visit germany. it's to keep, to give my respect to the 6000000 jews that were murder, but the same reason that prevented me from visiting germany this day is there isn't . that brings me to germany now was chairman of yet a ship. because as chairman of the other shipment by visiting germany, i have the ability to amplify remembrance of the shore to amplify their respect that the spade to the victims are not only on a personal basis, but also to much larger base in a mulatto basis. because it will be reported that the seeing that and exhibition

will be seen by many persons. so it's basically the same decision. the circumstances changed, not my decision. now, and let's talk a little bit about where we are today. and for him, it's celebrating or marking, rather it's 70th year this year. how hasn't developed in the 7 decades as the world's foremost memorial to the victims of the holocaust. i have developed completely 1st of all the fact that the yeah gotcha was established by chris at legislation in 1953, but actually the gathering of archival documentation started even before it started in the late forty's, even before this published of the state of israel air but they think that it was started as an archive and a bunch of monuments developed into a multi faceted institution that these, as you said, the most prominent, the most important,

the holocaust that remembers distribution in the world. some of the far think of the fact that we have here a, if you are a human being bring you theory immediately the moment you see them, the largest library and our collection of collection, the ard, that was produced during the hollow, coastal immediately afterward, which is something quite mind boggling. it is a remarkable archive. i that you've managed to be able to collect over these years . but sadly, as the is role on, we know that many survivors aren't lying. they will continue to die and, and one day they will be, of course, no survivors, no living survivors of the holocaust left. when there are no survivors, how will that affect you think the memory of the show are and what's the best way to keep that memory alive to it will be very challenging. good. it's a clear that the we're work will be much more difficult, but the goal, so it'd be much more important. because when that happens, i am convinced that that will be the happy hour of their denial is than the

distortion is that the existence of the day, but then they will thrive it. and then that's one of the reasons we in a race against the clock, against the calendar. now i'd like to talk about your, your appointment, you, you took the reins in 2021, something you've called the greatest honor of your life. and you are perhaps a surprising candidate for the yacht fishing chairmanship you were previously representative for the settler movement. you also worked as a diplomat, representing israel in new york. at the time of your appointment, there was a bit of debate and quite a lot of debate around whether or not that would politicize the role of chairman of yan fish him. you vowed at the time to maintain a firewall between yourself and the memorial and, and politics. have you managed to do that? yes, the moment i a was appointed by the government, the federal as chairman of the other ship. i put the firewall between me and

politics in the air. look, this mission i took upon myself is sacred and they will never stay in it with a political, a interest, thoughts, or, or, or considerations. i will tell you a story and my 1st day in india, russia michaels, they came to the museum will far and there is a quote on a wall that is in a blue on, in english, but thought it was a threat that he made the sh a painter, a gala 6 then the continued to mccarthy in the war. so get the 1941 and she hid their archer out in the and that was recovered after the war. but also had lost will. and testament was recovered and the quotas from that will and she says, i know i am doomed. i will not survive in that she didn't. but they bequeath my works of art to the jewish institutions that will be established after the war when a so that quote,

i almost fainted. i understood that she's talking to me. i am now the executor of that will. and natalie gillard sections will but see 1000000 wilson this elements and they, therefore, it's my a obligation to do it in the most objective and clear way can we seeing arise and anti semitism around the world? it's something you know you've spoken about at great length in what ways do you say that playing out? well, i'm a personal story. i live to new york in august 2016th. the service is, rose, consul general, they're convinced that they submit this and will be in a law place in my agenda in made them in new york in the united states. 15 just were married that not that that murdered in that they submit the carfax so anti semitism. unfortunately, driving again in the world. and they're, you know what, they tell worldly. does that come to yard marsh m a especially the work lead?

this is when you see, aren't they sent me this them act immediate. don't wait. if your weight antisemitism will met us, thighs into monstrous than men, shall cindy, be impossible to stop it. you actually touched on it and before and i think i do think it's an important point though in the distance between the holocaust and today, do you think that there is a correlation between the resurgence of anti semitism you just mentioned that perhaps once the last of ivers die out, we might see even further resurgence of it. is there a correlation? do you relate between the events of the holocaust? yes or no. anti semitism is anti semitism, antisemitism, but we are not in germany of the 9030 snow. we are not. we are far from it that we should not get close to that got for bit. but you know, the difference between our generation then contemporary generation to which a non jewish and the donation of the 1930 jewish and not jewish is that we have

experience. we know it can happen, probably they, they had the privilege to believe. they tend to believe that they can burn books and can burn synagogues, but they're never burned human beings. we don't have that privilege. we know that it can come to burning human beings. so that's the difference, and that gives us an added responsibility on our shoulders to combat that they semitism and racism accent fabia natalie at the same. it is about that besides these as empirically the most lethal. it's sort of fun things off of racism. so we have to do it now. what do you see as the unfair change role in combating anti semitism? well, you know, the role of the other sham is the 2 i remember and make remember the sure are gonna zation. i think that 6000000 jews that were massacred in the shore are entitled to an organization and institution that solidly,

that the quote that to them exclusively dedicated to them. but the very essence of show our remembrance is a very power for a tour to combine that, they submit this and i will give you an example from the last weeks. and there were 2 very prominent american celebrities said that they made very traveling statements . one is kenya west and he was clearly an anti semite. i wouldn't bring kenny, i was 3 out of a shame because it's a waste of time. probably he would have been enjoying that version because that juice are here. the split will be goldberg on the, on the other hand said that the show i was not the an issue about race. it was a classic conflict between 2 whites white groups, which is nonsense. that's but the thought antisemitic that ignorance, she simply doesn't know. the fact that big not this, so the jewish people, right or wrong desert place. and there was no conflict between jews and,

and the nazis that was the an onslaught of the nazis against the jews. so what be goldberg on the other hand, instead of suspending her for 2 weeks or 3rd network lead, they should have sent her to the other shame because god can be educated. kenya, where's those? no, this is a waste of time. so we do not try to educate the anti semites. we tried to educate the decent people of the world that they believe of the vast majority to stand against them. they said it is, as you prepared to make your 1st visit to germany, what are your expectations, or perhaps your hopes and even fears? well, if, if i have personally and he visions, but that is a personal matter between me on my side. a better, you know, in addition to opening the exhibition in the been this doug with the speaker of the bundle steiger, president of the bundle. like i will meet the entire edge of my leadership, the president, the counselor, several ministers, the head of the opposition,

a. and they, we have to think together. i'm not sure i come to think together with them to consult with them and to give them. yes, sir, with those modest the advice a how were to continue to keep the flame of fair holocaust to remembrance or life to make sure that you know, there is an academic discussion, a for it they shy, unique or unprecedented. unique means that these happened wise and would not happen again unprecedented. they didn't happen beforehand, but we've got been again or how we keep the sure unique that they we educate then we legislate than we enforce law in order to make sure that there is that terrible event of the 20th century never happens again, not that the jewish people not do any other people not perpetuated by germany,

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