as always as that this is going to change anything on gotten lost in this country. he was corresponding carolina to more. thanks so much a reminder of our top story before we go. jim and john to the olaf schultz has met with french president among manuel mccaul in paris to late as are presenting a show of unity after recent tension security and defense policy were among the issues on the agenda. and that's so for now, up next a special program. it's an interview with denny diane, the chairman of the get for shim holocaust memorial place. stay with us for that. it's coming up after a short break when he's in 45 minutes. with india, a lend of contrasts of ambitions of inequality. 75

years ago, mahatma gandhi peacefully led the country to independence. what has remained of his vision? where does the world so called largest democracy stand and where is india headed? this is the moment to unleash on violet bias. gandhi's legacy starts january 28th on d. w with ah, yad vashem, situated on the mount of remembrance in jerusalem, is the world's foremost remembrance. center for the holocaust it's chairman danny diane's once vowed. never to set foot in germany. but as since reversed that

decision, he'll accompany an exhibition of artifacts from the holocaust on display in the bonus tag in berlin. then he diane, thank you for your time to thank you for having me. you vowed that you would never visit germany. they the country responsible for the matter. 6000000 jews, but you are in fact going to berlin with a special exhibition from the museum here. yet for him, ah, what change your mind? well, i made the decision of a very young age. i'm not the visit germany, but the problem for it's nothing to do with, hey thor, or something like that. on the contrary, it's everything about memory. you know, there is an interesting, deuced edition, not many just do it these days, but that still exists, the objects that keep it small part of it wall in the apartment in their home not painted. why?

in order to remember the destruction of jerusalem, 2000 years ago, every time they see they remembered that generals, that it was destroyed, 2000 years ago than the temple was destroy. that's the reason i did it. it's my staying on there on the wall. and when i look at the map of the place as a visitor, they see a white, a stain on the map of europe with germany. and i remember why i don't visit germany . it's to kip, to give my respect to the 6000000 jews that were murdered. but the same reason that prevented me from visiting germany this day is there isn't. that brings me to germany now as chairman of yet a ship. because as chairman of the other shipment by visiting germany, i have the ability to amplify remembrance of the shore to amplify the respect that the spade to the victims are not only on a personal basis, but also to

a much larger base in animal, larger basis. because it will be reported that the seeing that and exhibition will be seen by many persons. so it's basically the same decision. the circumstances changed, not my decision. now, and let's talk a little bit about where we are today. and for him, it's celebrating or marking, rather it's 70th year this year. how has been developed in the 7 decades as the world's foremost memorial to the victims of the holocaust. i has developed completely 1st of all the fact that the yeah. gotcha, was established by crescent legislation in 1953, but actually the gathering of archival documentation started even before it started in the late forty's, even before this published of the state of israel air. but they think that it was started as an archive and a bunch of monuments developed into a multi faceted instead. since that these, as you said, the most prominent,

the most important, the holocaust, the remembers distribution in the world. some of the far think of the fact that we have here a if you are a human being, bring you through the years, immediately the woman you see them, the largest library and our collection of. ready collection the ard, that was produced during the hollow, coastal, immediately afterwards, which is something quite mind boggling. it is a remarkable archive. i know that you've managed to be able to collect over these years. but sadly, as the years roll on, we know that many survivors are dying, they will continue to die. and, and one day they will be, of course, no survivors, no living survivors of the holocaust left. when there are no survivors, how will that affect you think the memory of the show are and what's the best way to keep that memory alive that it will be very challenging her. it's a clear that that will work will be much more difficult, but it also will be much more important. because when that happens,

i am convinced that that will be the happy hour of their denial is than the distortion is that the existence of the day. but then they will thrive it, and that's one of the reasons we in a race against the clock against the calendar. now i'd like to talk about your, your appointment. you, you took the reins in 2021, something you've called the greatest honor of your life. and you were perhaps a surprising candidate for the yard fishing chairmanship you were previously representative from the settler movement. you also worked as a diplomat, representing israel in new york. at the time of your appointment, there was a bit of debate and quite a lot of debate around whether or not that would politicize the role of chairman of yan fish him. you vowed at the time to maintain a firewall between yourself and the memorial and, and politics. have you managed to do that? yes, the moment i a was appointed by the government. the federal uss chairman of the

other chair. i put the firewall between me and politics and the localism. the admission i took upon myself is sacred and they will never stand it with political interests, thoughts, or, or, or, or considerations. i will tell you a story and my 1st day in any advice shall my goals. they come to the museum will fall, and there is a quote on a wall that is in a blue on, in english, but thought it was a drink. then he made the sh, a painter a gala 6, then the continued to mccarthy in the war. so get the 1941. and she hid their archer out in the and that was recovered after the war. but also had lost will. and testament was recovered. and the quotas from that will and she says, i know i am doomed. i will not survive in that she didn't, but they bequeath my works of art to the jewish institutions that will be

established after the war. when a so that quote, i almost fainted. i understood that she's talking to me. i am now the executor of that will. and natalie gillard sections will, but says 1000000 wilson, this elements. and there therefore, it's my obligation to do it in the most objective and clear way can we seeing arise in anti semitism around the world at something you've spoken about at great length in what ways do you say that playing out? well, i'm a personal story. i live to new york in august 2016. the service is rose consul general. they're convinced that they submit this and will be in a law place in my agenda in may. i'm in new york in the united states. 15 just were murdered, not attacked, murdered. in that, they submit the carfax so, and they sent me pissing, unfortunately, driving again in the world. and there,

you know what they tell worldly. does that come to yet vashem a especially the work lead? this is when you see on base, i mean, does them act immediate? don't wait. if your weight antisemitism will met us, thighs into monstrous than men, shall cindy, be impossible to stop it. you actually touched on it and before and i think i do think it's an important point though in the distance between the holocaust and today, do you think that there is a correlation between a resurgence of anti semitism you just mentioned that perhaps once the last of ivers die out, we might see even further resurgence of it. is there a correlation to relate between the events of the holocaust? yes or no. anti semitism is anti semitism, antisemitism, but we are not in germany of the 9030 snow. we are not. we are far from it that we should not get close to that got for bit but you know, the difference between our generation then contemporary generation do. it's a non jewish and the donation of the 1930 jewish and not jewish is that we have

experience. we know it can happen, probably they, they had the privilege to believe the navy fed to believe that they can burn books and can burn synagogues, but they're never burned human beings. we don't have that privilege. we know that it can come to burning human beings. so that's the difference, and that gives us an added responsibility on our shoulders to combat that they semitism and racism accent fabia natalie at the same. it is about that besides these as empirically, it's the most lethal. it's sort of fun things off of racism. so we have to do it now. what do you see as the on fish and role in combating anti semitism? well, you know, the role of the other sham is the 2 i remember and make remember the sure are all gone ization. i think that 6000000 jews that were massacred

in the shore are entitled to an organisation and institution that the solemnly that the quote that to them exclusively dedicated to them. but the very essence of show our remembrance is a very power to, to combine that, they submit this and i will give you an example from the last weeks. and there were 2 very prominent american celebrities said that they made very troubling statements . one is canny a whist, and he was clearly an anti semite. i wouldn't bring kenny, i was 3 of them, a shame because it's a waste of time. probably he would even enjoy advert. shame because that jews are ear display. what goldberg on the, on the other hand said that the show was not the an issue about race. it was a classic conflict between 2 whites, white groups, which is nonsense that, but the thought antisemitic that ignorance, she simply doesn't know the fact that big not this. so the jewish people,

right or wrong desert place. and there was no conflict between joseph and the nazis . that was the an onslaught of the nazis against the jews. so what the goldberg on the other hand, instead of suspending her for 2 weeks or 3rd network did, they should have sent her to the other shame because what we got can be educated, kenya was those know, this is a waste of time. so we do not try to educate the anti semites. we tried to educate the decent people of the world that they believe of the vast majority to stand against them. they said it is, as you prepared to make your 1st visit to germany, what are your expectations, or perhaps your hopes and even fears? well as if i have personally and he visions, but that is a personal matter between me on my side. a better, you know, in addition to opening the exhibition in the bundis thug with the speaker of the bundle staggered, present of the bundle. like i will meet the entire edge of my leadership,

the president, the counselor, several ministers, the head of the opposition a. and then we have to think together, i'm not sure i come to think together with them to consult with them and to give them yes sir, without modest the advice a how were to continue to keep the flame of fair holocaust to remembrance our life to make sure that, you know, there is an academic discussion, a fair there show eyes unique or unprecedented. unique means that it happened wise and would not happen again unprecedented. they didn't happen fine, but they've got been again, how we keep the show are unique, that we educate. ready and we legislate and we enforce law in order to make sure that that terrible event of the 20 century never happens again. not to the jewish people, not do any other people, not perpetrated by germany,

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