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ah ah ah ah, this is dw news live from berlin to night. could german made tanks soon be on their way to ukraine? poland says that it is prepared to send leopard to take to the front line with or without german permission. germany is hinting that it would not stand in the way. also coming up to night. prosecutors here in germany charge 5 people with high
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treason for allegedly plodding to kidnap the countries health minister and to top of the german government. and we meet a russian man who fled to serbia to escape hooton's military call up. but he says, even there he faces daily reminds of the power of russia's propaganda machine. ah, i'm burned. gov is good to have you with this on this monday to night. german made leopard to battle tanks could soon be helping to defend ukraine. that is one possibility. and he comes after poland said today that it will take its own action on sending the tanks to you. craig, germany's neighbor says that it is eager to ensure that ukraine has better weaponry to fight the russian invasion. it will apply directly to berlin to get permission
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instead of waiting for the okay from the german chess. ukraine might be one step closer to finally getting the modern german made battle tanks. it says it urgently needs. poland. prime minister, mateusz mode of ascii, said his country will apply for permission from berlin to supply its lepper tanks to ukraine. but he added that poland could also export the tanks without a green light from germany. is go do that even if we were not given the approval within the framework of a small coalition. if the germans were not present at this coalition, we would still send the tanks together with others to ukraine. condition for us is to build at least a small coalition of countries concerned with the issue. although germany has been providing substantial support to key if it's been criticized for hesitating when it comes to sending battle tanks or allowing others to do so. but there appears to be a shift in berlin's position by default speaking to french television on sunday,
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german foreign minister on elena burbock said berlin would not stand in the way if poland decided to send its lepper tanks to key of and that an e. u foreign minister meeting a day later, she reiterated the importance of full fledged support for ukraine. mixed up giving his on testing is the silver dish, does fios internet slots important that we as an international community, do everything we can to defend ukraine so that it wins and wins the right to live in peace and freedom again. keith has been asking western allies to supply them with modern tanks for months. ukrainian officials say the military vehicles in particular the leper tanks are vital for fighting off an anticipated kremlin offensive in the spring and retaking territory. i stay in brook. joining me now is alexander miller. he's the defense policy spokesperson for jer, but he's free democrats. that's one of the 3 parties which make up germany's current government just really, it's good to have you with this. can you offer some clarity tonight on the leopard
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to take question? will germany give the go ahead to send those tanks to ukraine? i'm quite sure. a foreign minister has already stated this and all of choice. also, his excuse was always to not give up on to to, to what he wanted to act within a coalition. he wanted to ask all of us and wanted to act in common with our partners. and when our partners want to deliver to germany will not block this. earlier this evening, we spoke with ralph stadium. he's a member of parliament for transfer schultz as part of the social democrats. and we asked him about poland, possibly coming together with other countries to deliver, takes to ukraine with or without german permission. i want to take a listen to what he said. whether it's a good move to say we deliver the tanks,
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no matter what the german decision is, i don't think that that's a good thing to respect treaties and legal reasons, but that's again. mm hm. and has to say what they want to do. ms. miller. mr. staying or there is suggesting that this is a belt contract while respecting purchase contracts to the country that makes the taint, has to have say, you know, final say if you're going to move those states. it's also implies that this is not about helping ukraine fight a war. is that the case? i think it's a, it's not relevant for germany would say yes or no, because germany will say yes. so i don't think they would reach any contract. germany will allow them to, to do this. you know, after the u. s. and the u. k. germany has sent the most military aid to ukraine
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since this invasion began. i mean, there's no denying the countries commitment to supporting ukraine. and yet, once again, germany looks like it may be dragging its feet in helping you create, talk to me about how much optics matter here. yes, indeed i, we don't understand why chancellor charles has such a problem in sending main battle tanks from, from germany. we have sent so many stuff we have sent the jackpot. we have sent the punch or how it's a 2000. we are sent elephant's recei systems and our new minutes of defense. what was the story of the toes that evangeline here depends? what those that much are the most important meta and we, we prepare this, we also sent a batteries for the uranium facility. so we really support
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ukraine just well, let me just ask you, do you think it would make it easier for germany or for the german chancellor? if the united states were to go ahead and send at least one of their abram tanks to ukraine, 1st, would that then make it easier for germany to say, send the leper to tags? we don't know. the reason why i want to translate hesitating so much, perhaps this might be a reason, obviously he doesn't say this. but, but he had, he would have to explain chance, which one would have to explain why exactly has such a problem with main battle tanks. then we could understand it and answer this question. perhaps it could make a change for him. what do you say, mr. mueller? some people who read your body have claimed that the united states is strong arming european countries to send their tanks 1st to you. great. i think it has the logistical reason because the tank that the ukraine is asking for from
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the u. s. has some logistical problems and has a how is it called a fuel? yes. and so the american say is a big challenge to, to take tanks over the atlantic. you tremendous so near to ukraine and you have so many tanks and you are, you have the wind refreshing germany really have professional building thanks. so the americans are asking us to provide checks and just let me ask you for your time at the meeting last week and ramstein, germany, ukraine's allies thought that they were in agreement about sending leopard to change to ukraine. and then suddenly no answer from germany. what message does this cindy, germany's allies on? i mean, it all depends on, you mean it's sort of, refusal that he said there was no consensus in the talks. he says that some
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countries are off the leper to use a countries would not be in consensus and would say, it's not no good idea to send a letter to that's what i mean. it depends so that this agreement seems to be not there. alexander lulu, deed of his father. he's looking for the free democrats here in germany. mr. miller, we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. or the pleasure of prosecutors here in germany have charged 5 people with high treason for allegedly plotting to topple the german government and to kidnap the countries health minister karl lauterbach prosecutor say that the group had a 3 step plan 1st to calls a nationwide power blackout then to abduct the health minister and finally, to depose the government. it's believed the plotters were prepared to kill louder box body guards to carry out their plan. i for more now i wanna
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bring in our political correspondence. i mean young, he's been following the story. you to see simon. i mean, this is a wild story. tell me, who are the accused? yes, these are some pretty bizarre details that we've heard today. these have 5 for people, for man, one woman who have been in custody since last year. most of them were arrested her back last april and they're accused of developing at what are described as pretty concrete plans. as you say, they intended to cause a power blackout across germany and kidnapped the health minister and sort of create out the conditions of a civil war. it is suggested they were even going to get actors to impersonate the chancellor and the president. come on tv and sort of abolish the german government and then set up their own government instead. so pretty wacky stuff you might say, and they all believed to have connections with the so called right citizens
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movement. these are people, he essentially question the legitimacy of the german state that wants to return to the borders or some conditions of the previous german, right? some of them there for as, as print out their own money, their own passports and so on. and d, of some of them all are very violent. we saw back in december, a group of them who were arrested, including a certain prince heinrich, the 13th who is sort of proclaiming himself as a future german head of state. so some remarkable sort of bizarre people involved and this group to day who are, who are now going to facia serious charges in court, or from that general as sort of grouping. do we know, simon, why the targeted the german health minister pearl lauterbach, but he doesn't, but many people would say, does it appear to be a threat to anyone?
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well, cause he's somebody who's been very instrumental in driving forward the government's response to the coven pandemic. and it has been very forthright in supporting some pretty restrictive measures. he's faced a lot of criticism for that, including online. and he said last year that he's received death threats and threats of violence. he's very wide for the safety of his family and he says he can't go out without a permanent body guard. so i think, yeah, you know, that is probably why they focused on him. because of course, those pandemic measures a something that has got a lot of people concerned in that. so there's been a lot of media attention on that. did have you some young with the least an idea berlin, simon is always thinking art. let's take a look now at some of the other stories that are making headlines around the world . holocaust survivor monitor friedland has been awarded. germany's federal cross of merit here in berlin, that 101 year old immigrated to the united states after surviving
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a concentration camp in 2010. she moved back to berlin and she's been telling her story in schools ever since working. if also has confirmed it intelligence to end its military cooperation with france, the military hunter has given france one months to pull out its troops. observers believe the hunt if trying to rekindle ties with russia. some $400.00 french special horses are stationed in burkina faso to help battle and islamist insurgents . russia and the stony have expelled each other's ambassadors at their downgrading their diplomatic relations. moscow says that it took its decision after the baltic country ordered a reduction in the number of russian embassy staff. the already strayed relations have taken a further downward turn since the war in new frank norway have detained a former commander of the wagner mercenary group. he was seeking a silent there. we jubilee say they believed andre med yet entered the country
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illegally, but are holding him for his own protection. but dead have says he fears for his life. after witnessing the mistreatment of russian prisoners brought to the front lines to fight for the wagner grew well, hundreds of thousands of russians are thought to have left their homeland all since september when president putin announced a military draft of young men to fight in ukraine. they have gone to destinations around the world, including one place that likely feels somewhat familiar. the country of serbia, it has long had close ties with russia, ties that have only gotten stronger since the war broke gl or corresponded funny for char met one man. he was able to escape pigeons draft, but not putin's prop again. the owners didn't feel they had to change the name or they require when russia invaded ukraine, customers were not put off. they admire the russian leader. both did,
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he did it. the routine is the only real leader in the world. well, if you can, all the others, the just politicians progress, but he looks after his country on these people will not order for many here is that an yanine? yo bol great. feel that the west cause the ukraine war and yet it's, we're on j. a rush young journalist flat to last september before the war. he had reported on corruption or rescue pursuit, which became too dangerous when men started being drafted into the army. i left the because of mobilization because of the re laurice go for to go to jail or a gold to war. well, i would not go to war anyway, so um i, i could face a jail or torture or anything else. you can pick it then i decided pally right now . he decided to come to serbia because he had some friends. sierra
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b has cape the putin regime. right. but not his propaganda. lamb. they have problems with information about war. ah, i'm not in the position to tail soviet people want they should sink and holiday sheet or transform the media. oh, good people, angie sas, you feel safe here, but he plans to leave and he's more open when talking in private than when the camera is rolling. belgrade city center shows how close links between the countries have helped spread the russia narrative on serbian media rushes propaganda mouthpiece recently launched. a local online service survey is not the most obvious place or for a few. it should a 1000 fleeing russia many serve. see a support the russian regime?
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glory to russia is painted just outside serbia's presidential office. paul say more than half of the serbian population cease putin as serbia's closest foreign ally. the omen elizabeth, he's a good leader early because he's challenging the leech tomorrow because he shaking up the weld alda to create awareness is quickly cut short though russians are. welcome in serbia, but criticism against russia lesser ended up. he's wanting to charge you for that report. together, you joins me now from vienna when he's good to see you explain to us a little bit more why serbia is one of the main house countries for russians who were living in exile. nearly 1000000 people left russia brand since that war began nearly a year ago in ukraine. but yes, a significant number, an estimated 102300000 people actually left for serbia. and you really wonder why?
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because especially the ones who flat, for political reasons being embraced as we have seen, that report by that russian propaganda have a very awkward experience in this country. because they left for the very reason off of despising putin why the people they are or a great majority of serbians really admire this man. now, a few reasons you have already seen in the report, which is i, it's, it's, it's, it's very as close to a rush against due to direct flights. but also it's, the country itself is very close to the european union. and that makes it quite attractive for russians who flat for economic reasons rather than political to set up a business. and to basically get started, get started with a new life because nobody knows how long this war is going to continue. what i found quite strange though, really if you look at this journalist, for example, even he himself 1st had difficulties to even say yes or interview requests. because
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of course, many people have flat, have relatives in russia. and they are just concerned about the possibility that an interview and then even speaking up against flooding their pooty in, in serbia, may in some way endanger to relatives or their contacts. so this is something like as a take away to say, so for me from this reporting that even though a lot of people so safer in serbia, lot of russians did definitely do not safe enough. many of them to speak up against that regime that they've criticized in russia and fled as a result in that also. but it speaks to the perception of just the vast and powerful reach that vladimir putin um, has beyond russia and in that also plays into these close ties between serbia and russia doesn't. exactly. and that, that reach is due to economic interests, of course, because so via the serbian government president footage wants to make sure that the population has access to cheap gas. so just a few months after the war began,
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he signed that contract extended. basically the tenure gas pro contract with russia even though officially also said that that the countries looking for alternative energy supplies. but he signed a contract and didn't sign whatsoever. any sanctions to be imposed on russia. something however, that the european union really expects from serbia to do because after all, let's not forget, serbia is an e u. membership candidate has been full about 10 years now. and this is exactly here with the frustration and the anger, a place in and sets in many, serbians won't vent their frustration over the fact that they cannot join fast enough. the european union say many ways as a result, they turn to russia and they turn the sympathies towards the east and not the west . and it has the, the invasion of ukraine has its influence, were changed. sotheby's relationship with russia not really. in fact,
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this is the, the main reason for criticism from the european union that they are requesting the soviet to really allies foreign policy according to european union that it wants to join. also, let's not forget that the biggest trade partner, despite or economic interest between russia and sylvia, the biggest trait partner still the european union for serbia. however, very officially the severe president maintains a very neutral tone, he says, and a neutral stance towards russia. but if you ask me personally, i really thing that he sending a little mixed messages because for once serbia backed as back, if you, you and resolutions condemning the aggression against ukraine condemning the war. but on the other hand, as i just pointed out, they are serbia until today didn't signed anything that's related to imposing sanctions towards russia. so we are seeing a country really in between a 2 chairs to say so that couldn't be farther from each other, between european union and russia. and you really wonder,
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just how risky this 14 is of serbia with russia? yes, serbia, a country in conflict in abuse. funny for char. it's always funny. thank you. so the organizers of berlin's international film festival, known as the belly nala, have unveiled this year's program artistic director polish onto yon, revealed that russia's invasion of ukraine. and the iranian protest movement will be major themes, the actor and director, sean, penn. we will premier superpower, his documentary about the warning frame, the bell ineligible officer feature, the french director nicholas to be as sir, let him up, a documentary about mentally disabled people. and the enemy movie to zoom ain't by japanese director makoto shinnecock the belin. now it starts february 16th and runs 11 date and someone who has been to a 1000000000 dollar to george mean,
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our culture gurus got rocks barrels. got to get to see you after what 23 years of pandemic related constraints. can we expect to get some of that pre pandemic glamour packed into this year's berlin. alt yeah. brand, i hope so. i mean, it's been actually 3 years a proper of that bad, you know, last year they did have a one, but there were still some co good restrictions and social distancing, and so forth in place. so he didn't really have to pack theaters didn't have the, the red carpet craziness that is always a part of the bill. and on i think people like myself going to so many of them the knowledge over the years have really missed. and i'm hoping it'll come back this year. i mean, we least have enough star power coming again. you know, and halfway coming and keep blanche at. and helen mirren, some of my my favorite leave, the the hunky alexander scars guard is going to be walking right carpet. and the
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almost as hunky john malkovich will also be coming. kirsten stewart starved twilight, she's going to be in berlin the whole time because she's the jury president this year. so being a lot of her and we should be able to spot a steven spielberg because i'll be dropping in to receive a lifetime achievement golden bear. so hopefully that'll be enough our power to really get people out again and get the gala back to its sort of pre cobit normal. it people like the billing all because they get to see the stars. and they also get to see a lot of movies which movies. are you saying r a must to see this year? well, you mentioned a couple up top. i mean sean, penn's a documentary superpower, which it was shot in ukraine during the war in feature some exclusive interviews with the ukraine. president of miss lensky. that's going to be a must see. i think, for everybody here at the billing all. but what i love about the bill now is that it's got, it's really, i mean it's something for everyone. it's such a huge, eclectic array of films and you mentioned to me this japanese enemy,
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it's competition. the 1st animate film in competition over 20 years at the bella, and it's coming just as a sort of huge wave of japanese and enemies sweeping the world. i'm really excited to see that i'm in for something utterly different. we've got a horror film infiniti cool from brandon konover, the son of david, a crossover starting, alexander star started. and i hear that he is teachers in that sort of odd bazaar breastfeeding. see in the phil. so as i think the something for everyone, any cases that you haven't movies, you don't find something to like this. you spell it up. yeah. yeah, that's why you caught me off guard with that. when scott, we know, we, we know that the bell and i was there, they're always political. what are we expecting this year? how political is this film festival going to be? yeah, i mean berlin's probably the most political, the big a film festivals. and there are going to be a lot of political films this year, a lot of documentaries i've been noticing. i mean, sean pans is probably the, the most prominent. but they'll be good number of films on the ukraine situation on
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the protests in iran and the history of developments in that country. berlin always tries to balance it sort of glamour and red carpet glitz with really serious movies that deal with the political realities of the world. and the billing all takes place really just a few blocks away from the center of power in berlin. so as people in the bonus tag are discussing issues dealing with, for example, sending weapons ukraine. we're going to have people discussing the, the broader issues and cultural issues of the same political, a fax act on the red carpet in berlin. and that's sort of what makes the belly known as a special exactly, and it will be taking place as this war entrance. it's 2nd year so much for the w culture is always scott, thank you. good to see. thank. thank you. you want you to be,
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