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what if the union flag still flies over scotland, but for how much longer? struggling with the economic impact of rex it compounded by the energy crisis. more and more scots are going through a difficult time. for many, there was only one way out of my talk with dana, what independence, because with his address would be most viewed by the westminster government philosophy under the of many scotts hope for a 2nd referendum on scottish independence. in october 2023. the 1st referendum was held in 2014 and 55 per cent of scots voted to stay in the u. k. heartbroken. it felt like somebody had died. so the income and thinking about it now gets me upset with the national situation is coming to

a head in the background. opposition to independence is also quietly gathering support the popular population in scotland would not be willing to undergo a period of austerity in order to gain independence. ah, we're in for, for a small town about 100 kilometers north of edinburgh. it's far removed from the politics of westminster. sandra macpherson is out shopping. she's heading for a social supermarket set up 3 years ago. the concept is to sell expired or rejected goods to the socially disadvantaged at lower prices. sandra's marriage collapsed during the cove at 19 pandemic. now she's a single parent and retraining as a beautician. she needs to save money wherever she can

at just because everything else is going on. all the bells of the at the even, and that your normal supermarket there should make an ice in peace and judges. so this place is definitely an ideal for people like me. now, as the months have gone on, i've been using it more regularly now and definitely noticed a big savings in my shopping bells. right. if hard aren't people in need are eligible for a membership card and can do their shopping. here we've seen an increase quite considerable increase and that by if people signing up in becoming a member, we've got a law of in work pull 40 am now, which is

a situation that you would never have thought a you would, you would even hold that terminology called and work over a, you know, it shouldn't be such a thing. lassie, chunky was at cash or caught. i thought, here what you were to 90, please. ah, the 1st crisis was breaks it, which 62 percent of voters in scotland opposed. then came the pandemic and the war in ukraine. the resulting rise and energy prices has hit scott's harder than other western europeans. costs here are twice as high as in the euro's own shops and for, for our closing down one by one. with the national health service also in crisis winter threatens to be precarious for many people. ah,

a ping be pretty speedy. so yeah, i like every time i boil the cat, like i'm just thinking how much, how much, how many pennies is that when a v. o. joseph and noah, sandra's 2 sons have to make sacrifices to their games console eats up electricity . but sandra doesn't want to economize on that just yet. for now, the electric light in the room stays off. they can manage with daylight. the seam of the shell or the shower is actually more steady. oh i find myself no in . yes, that said you had 5 minutes, you're clean, you can as the shower i, we can't afford for the hot water is running whether in rural for fi or big cities like glasgow,

many scots are going through tough times. the gap between rich and poor is widening in the crisis, as can be seen all over the inner city. neil mikka is also feeling the crunch and blames politicians and westminster. in his opinion, the devolved scottish government is not completely sovereign and is kept dependent on the u. k. government, and many financial matters. o. b, i me, niel is rehearsing some songs with his friend, henry riley. westman for system is, is an affordable. it can be changed from within, so it needs to be smashed up. scotland, a great country is a great society,

but people need to be empowered. so that basically what we've done as a, say, a sale, say the submission statement, of course them regular marches, mash, mobilizations for independence every year until independence is one. so that's the, that's the task. well, they're about to perform and glasgow city center deal. they're scraping a living as busters the way the la hulu space that i had with 5th neil mikka is divorced with 2 children and has to pay maintenance. he's looking for a job, any kind of job. until he find one he hopes to make ends meet, singing traditional folk songs about scottish heroes. he also runs a pro independence organisation all under one banner. the next big demonstration he is organized is the day after to morrow. he checks the news online and sees one

conservative newspaper headline, edinburgh to be plagued by extreme nationalist march demanding an end to london rule. that is pretty sure, i mean, i'm the founder of the organization. i do have my name to those positions. my name on the paperwork a and the authorities always try and you know, if you had an expediency trying and pray, sean uses all of you like everything goes wrong. anything is your fault. ah, ah, i scottish 1st minister nicholas sturgeon and her scottish national party, the s and p have announced a 2nd referendum on scottish independence on october 19th, 2023. at the time of filming a judgement from the u. k. supreme court was pending on whether a 2nd referendum could be held without the british government's consent.

i should we ask the english shipping corps, basically the court of the british, the, which is not going to come down in our favor. why we asked them and given them not why we given them the makes no sense. we have given a number of them effective mandates to the a 70 government 8th and in scotland the people are sovereign. we have already said we weren't ready for them. we've given the legal mandate for that. so nobody should stand in the way of that. not waste minister should de blocker as such, but neither should discourage government allow them to blow. it's just ridiculous, i oh, what is caused the crisis? is it the ongoing financial dependence on westminster in so many matters? or has the scottish government been mis spending funds?

ah, we travel to stone, hayden, a little farther north ob scotlands, east coast. ah, alan sutherland, who retired over a year ago as opposed to the scottish governments plans for a new referendum. as a former i t manager, he advised companies and sold software worldwide. he's earned himself a comfortable nest egg for his retirement, which he can now enjoy with his german wife taking a ad ish. they don't have to worry much about the cost of living. i mean, argue against the ben. this is the independence that has been proposed on to build up to on the activities of this and p to get here,

or no school needs independence is, is good to work. oh, good to be successful. guerria and the home proved they can do that. besides gardening, alan has taken up a new hobby describing himself as a scott and a brit. he's actively organizing protests against plans for scottish independence. there's time for a quick coffee before he returns to his computer. his wife supports him and his activities. my job doesn't depend on me, keep them on a shop. i've got a voice or a film phone number of years. i know how to get to in front of people and to persuade people. now a pensioner. alan has considerable influence on current debate from his death. he may be under the radar, but he is very effective. we head back to for fun home of many supporters of scottish independence. sandra is

one of them. they feel they've been hung out to dry by the government and westminster and impression exacerbated by the current crisis. shaker we started marching, i think probably $21718.00. so yes, since since then sandra follows the all under one banner movement on facebook and reads about the march and edinburgh we follow them and look for north occasions of where the next march is going to be held. but 1st, it's time to look at the gas meter. once a month, sandra reads the meter and enters the result in an app. she hopes that economizing

on a heating will reduce her monthly bills. people are hoping to make the choice whether they can eat or heat their homes. basically they're hoping to make a choice. and in my case, they obviously have going children. so i have to make sure that they eat still. my priority is to make sure that they are fed and then for the heat, we'll just just put on more layers to stay warm in the house. you want, they have to be a we are. but the same thing you, they're young don't. you shouldn't have to be worrying about things like that. bells, energy prices and things. i'm credit, i'm calling less money one day before the

pro independence march. neil is packing the van in glasgow with his fellow protesters. bruno and lynn are also members of all under one banner. ah, need to do, i'll take another one. they need a p, a system sound equipment and a mobile stage. all of it has to be set up in edinburgh. tomorrow morning. before the pandemic, neal managed to mobilize up to 200000 people for one demonstration. but the cove at 19 restrictions on large events were a huge obstacle for his marches. it's difficult to get the estimate, maybe 5 to 10000 people if we get are, if that happens to model it will be, i deal a very good turn note because away there's not going to be good but it, scotland,

and that evolution isn't, is going to be one in the sunshine. so yeah, let's say neil and his team say scotland has always been poorer than the south of the u. k. they blamed the government and westminster for a lack of financial support. the tory party of keeping the money for the rich people, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer and i should be your same make poverty yesterday. we're 2nd be in skin it up. so a 2nd tie of the been stand up here, scotland as rich in our search for you. we hunt, we help you all. no more than you been your bush wins. water. at course we have the oil to. they tell us that the assets off the scottish coast have been exploited by british companies for decades with practically nothing left over for

the scots in the u. k. a. the methods that scotland subsidized by england. but if you look at the, the statistics, it's a scotland subsidizing with this the other way around. so it's a colonial situation. it's a potus ethical situation. and so why, why should we be supporting a, the people of england and the union, which doesn't say of the people of scotland makes no sense. because talk after packing the van neil has a look online as always, have you go, the debate is coming to a had their to neil has his eye on one particular website. scotland matters, an influential body run by pro unionists who opposed scottish independent contradictions. scotland matters because for these people scores and doesn't matter the link to make the weapons against the tenants, that it's all about. it's all nicholas engines plan. that's all her heart quest to

get it done. but they forget that we've elected her and that we relate to this in the numerous times and given democratic monday. so the trying circumvent a that i for independence is the people that i in it. but obviously not all people. the scotland matters website is alan sutherlands work . he's noticed how support for independence has been increasing and recent polls started so matters almost 4 years ago we bought for the the pre k parties is going to and so we're right deal was to try and get beyond the bubble of people as a core would be 3 or 400000 that really was going on in some we involved. so the whole thing was this for informing people of the truth, say that the arguments allen designs campaigns for social media, cartoons,

and means to caricature of the broken promises of 1st minister nicholas sturgeon, such as failing to deliver on climate targets. but got cartoon. if the draw of some social media sites like you keen and voice, neither his independence moved his course and the below of good social media. facebook occurs. so we use, we send the images to all these facebook pages, and they, they share them. before the last, the scottish parliament election, allan launched a poster campaign showing the titanic failures of the 1st minister. slogans were plastered all over constituencies where the s m. p. 's majority looked precarious. education policy failures were also lampooned. after all, the condition of schools is also a matter for the regional government, not london. we are unemployed that a few of the seats. it was a tied to go voting, competing to vote against s and p a because they're gonna,

they will come by the civil war. this is a monday for the referendum, which is what it did. so what we did was to say material sin the screwed up, scorch education, then a chest. the oldest of all person. not using them will do a volvo vote for anybody. or indeed the long governing s. n. p was unable to regain its absolute majority and can now only govern in co operation with the green party, allan as thinking of new ways of keeping scotland and the united kingdom. the next day, sandra sets off on a 2 hour drive to the capital with noah. and joseph, they want to join the pro independence march. 2 hm

to it. but at to day marie, he excited sandra tells us that the bus connection is not very good. so they're driving. she's put around 50 euro's worth of fuel in the tank. a small fortune for her. i budgeted money for pick jail for today because we've known about this march for quite a while. i'm and i am, it's our 1st one since 2019 so we're m, we're really looking forward to getting back at it. what we will you be chanting? what do we one plan to we one day a ah,

back in stonehaven allen and the beginner are also on their way. but to a different event, the geena arish tells us that they no longer have contact with some of their friends and neighbors. just like bricks it. the question of independence is incredibly divisive. as is taught safely, in my opinion, it's become really important where you stand, woman, steve's yeah. so it might have typed in daughter, there was a time in germany when it was important to know whether people were catholic, a protestant by those times or over. now thank goodness shortlands. oh, that's there must be. but in scotland now a days when you meet a new person mover or even if you know them well, people want to know on which side are you on this stuff so that again

they are meeting fellow campaigners from scotland matters. all of them are against to leaving the u. k. on johnston terrace, edinburgh. the march is about to start. neil is handing out the banners for people to hold up during his all under one banner march. with the way, let's get a. this isn't what was forecast. so with a the,

the forces with we never wanted to leave before a judge to see him. but we were taken by england till he went. but yeah, yes, i the procession starts at 1 o'clock and heads down the royal mile and central edinburgh to the scottish parliament building at hollywood. ah, neil documents at all for the social media account of his all under one banner movement. this is good reaches all across the globe and it shows as goldens

awakening when it, when neil estimates that there are about 7000 marchers undeterred by rail strikes and traffic jams, they've traveled from all parts of scotland. ah, these gentlemen are attending a family celebration at the classy hotel behind them. they won't be joining the march. ah, i'm not the support of independence. i believe we're better you like to pick them while you but because of the support but opposite us, like rachel would puzzle 3 out of your up metric of the bottle on the speed successful with a highly successful dish. and they'd like to turn them in the west, the water. ah. instead of talking to each other,

people stick to their own camps. in stonehaven allen sutherland and her gina and fish meet their allies and the venerable unionist club. as though and 50, they joined barney, crocket, labor, politician and former mayor of aberdeen and mark openshaw. allen's partner at scotland matters and they all know that support for independence has been growing over the years. current polls indicate that a slim majority would now vote yet to scottish independence. and the stay present. the people in scotland are unchangeable, nor fair for sand and immovably yes. and it's the people in them is that we need to be get not when he be try convincingly outside. i mean the people are already yeah . that commit delay opposed. i separation. yes. so the group need to find convincing arguments to disprove those of the pro independence movement, such as the claim that only british firms and not the scottish population profit

from scottish energy resources. it's not, it's just boating. yes, it wasn't just scotlands oil. scotland was part of the u. k. it's the entire u. case oil. if, if there was a separation from the u. k, in my view of their wood and there was still a lot of revenue to be had from oil. when, when the energy there would have to be a huge negotiation and if you think how much trouble it was to sort out breaks it. oh, yeah, that, that sort of a negotiation would be massive. so they hope to convince undecided voters with their arguments and presentations. newsletters and on social media. i think where i come in is trying to important god between the harsh realities of my speaking a vote. our population is age and quicker than the rest of the u. k. and this puts

an enormous, again, additional stream on public funding. so it is almost inconceivable to come up with a feasible plan or a feasible plan that doesn't entail enormous sacrifice in the early decades of independence in scotland. that's never the case. they know they can't sell it. if they see it's going to be hard. so they have to see it will not be on will be very easy. this will have to just be based on emotion and ignore the figures. although be fine. there are also questions regarding a hard border with england and the currency who has got it right ah, after getting stuck in traffic, sandra and her children just make it as the march draws to a close. it's an expensive family outing, but she says it's all been worth while. ah,

it isn't me, says we are men say and hopefully other people with bad teeth. no day. and fingers crossed until by next year we got a red flag. ah . while the tail end of the demo is still marching, musicians, neil and henry set up in the tent next to the stage. they're glad of the chance to perform their songs. traditional piece is about scottish freedom fighters as relevant as ever for them. finally, they're getting to play to a larger audience. oh boy, what. we are both his way a big one. yeah, we're big one today. so a wee bit nervous, but not very much. i just okay. what it takes to one of the vin. oh, oh gosh. so the day is a success for nationalists. but shortly afterwards,

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