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active in bella recited. there is a consensus that we don't support this war, that bill of our mission not participate and also fails. it also understands that if he sent out the restrict the crane, they can defect. they can turn arms against him. that's from my guest to day franak . we are ciocca is chief political advisor to berlin ocean opposition leader for atlanta, the kind of sky up. she claims to be the national leader of bella luce, but how legitimate is her claim? and how successful has her opposition been to alexander luke or franco's regime? for charco, welcome to conflict on. oh, mister whittaker, over the weekend you had russian defense minister, saturday, sure ago in bellows meeting, his opposite number. and just few days before that, you had unnamed,

the russian generals arriving in minsk as well for various meetings, is russia planning an escalation of the war in ukraine with bella bruce's help? the visits fresh and general some officers our usual thing since the question that came to power. but to when we're has started all the deals that are signed became secret. and we don't really know how much independence, how much silver and to remain in the hands of her location. and so there were some people we believe that every visit they decide on given was here in utah, miller's sector of military complex, under control of russia. a nuisance visit is also important because it happened just awful of this, of mr. mckee, the foreign minister, which was very close to lucas and, and it was perceived by bill or some officials, as a reminder, who is in charge. so go to some officials or some officers are afraid of moscow. i

do want to talk about the death of foreign mr. mckay, but 1st i'd like to talk about what these written by russian generals mean. you have, for instance, described as a very dangerous development reports of russian miss. i was including hypersonic missiles and 5 to just to just make 30 ones being stationed in bellows. what is the information you have? is russia planning large scale ad assaults when you create an infrastructure from bella? ros. last me, silas shag, that we have just was on november 6th from bill was very direct, so it needs to read the court to month. there were no st strikes from from betters, but to the same time i more than 10000, the russian soldiers arrived to balance and they're a deployed in different parts of our country. they're passing military training along with our troops. we see vehicles. we see some banks, we see some divisions, so very defensive items arriving to bellows. it doesn't seem they're brilliant at

docking a group of army on builder editor. it seems they are bring the army in order to control the situation in billers, in order to fix that russian occupation of visitors. we really believe that russia can use bella was as a consolation prize, in case if you will lose the war in ukraine or you, what is the berlin ocean troops might be thrown into the fight and ukraine. it's still not next to 3 months. right now, russia doesn't have a capacitor now or more vehicles from predatory army. so we'll look be able to conduct the check the ration if the strong backup, primarily technical back up from russia also been shown soldiers. they don't have

morale that they don't see korean to enemy in society. there is a consensus that we don't support this for the bill of our mission not participate, but also sales. it also understands that if he sent out the re strips the crane, they can the fact that they can turn arms against him. they will be split off really. there will be no way for protest. and he's really afraid of sending mail central still to ukraine because his bow it going to cost him the power. so you're confident that with russia back to the wall in ukraine, essentially losing the fight, falling behind on the battlefield as a start and by the needle. second general says that president putin is not pressured. i pressuring, alexander lucas shank to commit his troops into battle. your confidence that i think they're playing the role. it's the performance a question to explain the independent leader who supports russia and who wants to

stay exclusive, alive or pushing. because this is the only way to stay in power to have guarantees that we can, that will not come to murder him, but also for a question which in this is very, very important right now in order to control the internal domestic situation. to say that term, which is what pressure asian bush. and i think let's, let's imagine that this is the leash and lucas. and there are con the leash and puts in this trying to shorten this leash so much as possible. will not allow luca shanker to not leave him a space at toll. this is the goal of put in to create that up at the regime satellite regime, which will be doing 100 percent of everything the capital moscow will want from him . so you had said in november that a 14 was not interested in sending bell at ocean troops to ukraine. you stand by

that? yes, yes, i think it will create more problems than the benefits. it's not experience for me . i was in the army, i was serving and minister on the border with the crane. it was 10 years ago, but they know what, what, what is it? what she came to nested in cage would be the in the secret services that, that the me to protect himself up can never invest in, belittle some army. when belittle shantel, the received mobile is ation coals. there will be a huge protest resistance because the site that doesn't support this war at all, and the look a shell probably bolt which in about this also push and use the lay jim that push him if i will send my troops then the all until the 20 and left here will attack me because you see they are preparing, they escalate, they deploy more troops on the border. so he use this as the reasoning in order to last 10 sam tropes, so they play this performance. everyone is happy,

they read their pressure, they create the pressure on the ukraine, constant pressure, that least might happen. and i think that even the threat of sending our troops to destruct and be courses of the cranium and help us understand alexander lucas shank, of the current leader of bellows. would he rather be on the side of president fulton, or would you rather be with the west, for instance, he will be with the weekend because when this mentally close to him, location pays the soviet man. or if he is very out a western democracy, something that goes against his principles against his her nature are he chose russia and fortune instead of dilution. people in 2020 could agree on dialogue with deliberation professors 3 years ago. but instead, he called for putting help to suppress this protest. and right now was we should

the tipping point of this pro, ration using an adult shan't. now in october, alexander location court told b. b, nbc, i'm sorry, in an interview that no one was closer to president as a signal to the west that he was ready to mediate with president brought in between president putin and the west to curtail his dependence on russia. what questions could just want to stay relevant to be important, even though this like alpha alpha man, he wants to be the source neighbor where this is why he was so happy when the 1st means negotiations took place in 2014 and the host with them question can wants to be the big player. it wants to be in the 1st sleek and also all the statements about his closure. closeness to, to put him about nuclear weapons in dealers in order to raise the

price to raise the worse of himself. but usually just the blossom he, he's a very poor, old, weak, insecure man. you talked about the death of letting me my k, bella was a foreign minister, a close, confident of alexander lucas. shank oak. did russia have anything to do with my case? death? possible. everything is possible right now. we come to the full day, knew over the versions. we still didn't see the obligation of the document about the decimal, my kid with the ominous trenches from the past. but still there is no official information. also there they statement from about the death of my case here many years after the fact was revealed, it means there is something behind it. i wish you the better. some officials are very reverend they, they feel that they can be the next and they think this bass,

these could be, could be just just death, but also can be part of the bigger events, bigger than then we were still country. you talked of russian troops in ballard was there to court control. the situation is bella bruce, a hostage of russia biller was taken hostage from russia and put him together lease to criminals. they just use better territory in order to, to attack ukraine to revising prior, and not just delivering the billing and people are taken hostage. let's not forget that there are thousands of people in jail and it's a 1000 where forced to leave the country in 2020 while when crack down took place against the little send them great courses. it was a preparation for rational war against the cream. you talked about the pro democracy movement. let's talk about that last week. opposition leader. mario less

nickel that ended up in intensive care for. she was transferred to hospital from her prison cell. she was perhaps one of the last major opposition figures left inside barrows. would you say her fate is a big blow to the opposition movement inside bellows? a muddy a is a beacon spiration for many pollutions, especially blue santa women. she became a symbol of resistance. she was selenium this massive, huge for alice in august and september of 2020. and right now when we found out he's and maintenance of care unit, it was the big truck total loss. but was it a big blow? of course it was a big shot. was it a big blow for the opposition movement? oh, yes it was. it was, it was a blow. it was a blow, but also really have to investigate. were patterns for her? because the just before i ended up ended up in the hospital,

she was put in the punishment. so this is the cage be style torture cells. people are without fresh air. people are without communication, they could be beaten there. and something, something happened wrong to her. perhaps there was an order from lucas shenker personally to punish her. and doesn't oldish show that the opposition movement inside bellows has been silenced. no, it's not silenced. to change the form of resistance. there are many parties. i'm groups, they work in every region of the country. most of them participated in stop in the russian train. they come back some time on the railway in march and april this year . but there are now thousands of people, members of the cyber partners. i'm groups, there are a license state infrastructure and few weeks ago they hacked or rushing oversight, committee middle school notes, or league of the data to journalist. and there are many activist scapoziello tional,

ukrainian flex all over the country. i will show some as disobedience campaign, not all over the counter, but in big city this primarily, when the workers of the big factor is refused to do their job. for example, let's take that. let's take that at face value, but doesn't, hasn't that invited a greater correct down against them from alexander lucas ankle. it is indeed indeed receive right now that oppression some bigger than in 2020, every day from 10 to 20 people are being detained. and people not just the same, their torture. they're harshly beaten, more active is dying treason, and this is shock a lot. and to be called one international community to react, we call on the un i to take urgent measures. let's talk about a numbers. the berlin ocean human rights grow. the ashen are claims as many as 5000 people odd in the prism due to political reasons. they are not classified

officially as political prisoners, but they are in prison because of their political activism. the united nations is hundreds of thousands of bella russians are leaving the country and going to neighboring countries. my question to you, therefore it is who is left in the country to carry out an opposition against alexander lucas ankle. bill. it says ran 1000000 people or country sold the protests to more than 1000000.5 participants. so even if let's say, a few $100000.00 in the contest to become a 1000000 to resist. also, there is a big disappointment. be willing to change the situation and to prevent that from participating in this war. so i think people who participate in the resistance right now, they did not participate in the 2020 their new people who reacted on the fact of the war and they resist. right. now they're on the front lines and they go out and

they protest, despite all the better you are based outside of that was as an opposition. how effective are you? how many people, for instance, has your movement been able to release from prison? we are in daily patch with the little groups are on the ground to with local communities. we will meet every blockers. little journalist who described in this printed or some easy leaf latch, put in their main mailboxes and our spanish channels leader ability. who, who, who, and elections. he created the conditional cabinet, which is like government in exile and which we know we know all, you know, all that mr. cover then how does that helping activists inside bella roof? you admitted earlier that they keep getting thrown into prison and that cracked on has only increased in 2020. so how is your work outside helping them inside in

bellows? so we pass assistance. we tried to pass equipment where possible we conduct information campaigns to come to ration and location us propaganda. i don't think something's far be a little chance to apply. we try to keep the morale high to build connection between different groups, different parties and groups within the country. and we can log before more international support for be a little shout scores, field, fight and in the country. is it not a failure of your opposition movement that after 2020, at that time and have a massive st protest? and it seemed that the game was up for alexander, lucre shinkel. he has been able to hold on and continues to govern bellows. is that not a failure of position movement? not yet as we see there. correct down in 2020 was depreciation for the war location

for building for life without him. if we can, who provided him with money with soldiers, with the resources back in 2020, and right now the question, k, spain is that back to approach and it's not the fail on the situation. became much more complex. now we are part of the bigger original jo political crisis. now we are fight more just for democracy for democratic elections. but we are fighting for the very existence of bella, state hall. and in order to get the letters free and independent, we need the area of the great set land, african sky, your boss to and to whom you provide political advice, emerged from the 2020 election and particularly the protest, the mouse st protest that happened after that she presents herself as the leader of the bella lucian, opposition is she i think she's a national leader ability president elect one elections that didn't take her office

because of concussion. can put him issue the leader of the benediction. opposition . i think she's the durability nation because lucas and phase and opposition. it was more than 70 percent off was just call her the president for she does not lead a united ventilation opposition. she's live in the united them. ok. the courses exactly. she united to all the major groups, the traditional political parties and the new groups that are here in 2020. and of course there are different ideologies, different terms of use among different politicians. but she's absolutely are we unify and figure too old? we'll see below random credit. let's see. i'm going to find that is because an opinion followed by telegram based bolster. not rodney o pross among opposition minded bella. lucian's found that the colonoscopy regiment of bela lucian volunteers fighting in ukraine was 5 times more popular among bell

at oceans than missus atlanta to kind of sky. clearly, she's not a leader for united opposition issue or this is the oldest. they're just the mom activists of the specific group and oscar regimented just group of military volunteers in the ukraine. so let's compare, you know, political leadership and as fighters and the lessons for again, that's one of the most can participate in elections. in one election, multiple observers surveys polls or nickelodeon prove that she one elections to receive 2 or 3000000 to vote. so the communist regiment is irrelevant as an opposition group. and in oscar regiment is the part of the democratic and independence movement. they are fighters in ukraine. they are fighting for liberation of ukraine and they are, they deserve

a huge respect and we school support their, if they do what you say, they are popular they are not popular as politicians, therefore, are soldiers because they sacrifice me a life, a notice to, to save ukraine because they understand that when you cradle with the wind as well . so they are not seeing the part of the opposition then. now the fighters and all that sort of divide and petitions, and fighters and military volunteer schools are in the cranium. army, of course they are, they are playing very important role, and 1st of all, they see they preserve the group name of the school, where seem by many ukrainians as aggressions. i'm calling those key regimen. they prove that not all the letters are like lucretia for the resume, and people are 2 different things. right. let's talk about minute, 2nd, sky. you keep saying in this interview that the national leader of bella rules and she has, keeps calling us out. the national leader of bellows,

but who accept for lithuania, agrees to call her that almost from every country she comes. she smirks on the presidential level in the parliament, she sulvas' address. or madam president, today just involved, there is no. there is no, but there is not official recognition of her as the leader of been the rules are there is the fact recognition. there is the level of vertical which are defined as far as the kind of state. there is no years from this years. we don't, we didn't go into this game or legal recognition, but it's more than just the game, isn't it? because alexander location goes, regime continues to have diplomatic relations with a lot of countries, particularly those in asia and africa. for instance, there, alexander lucas, and go count as leader of bellows and not music taken us. let's show this rule and

this is, this is the problem for us because loose nation, them. they come to the united nations general assembly and they vote for very all from the support of proposals cushion called russian the in the show. this is why we are trying to reach out the countries outside of the european union. we are rather itself let than america. we have some, some relation there will be a reached out to stage as well, but the local for worker to be done. but the most important in terms of the economy in terms of trade and political relationship or horses. so the european union, one percent is not recognized for the leader. and now we are asking medical in the recommendation team as them as the work criminal. now mr. scott is also sought to find the common cause with ukrainians. we began this into talking about the ukraine war. let's talk about the you can, will she have fed and i caught, that cannot be a free bellows without a free ukraine. does ukraine see it in the same way as well?

yes, yes, i think the ukraine says, but a little bit different. they see delarue says the guarantee of security of safety because of location, space and power. there will be constant threat to ukraine like it happened in february, february this year. the problem is that they will not be attacked from belastrary toria and suddenly this attack happened. ration thanks almost reached here from from bellows. ukraine understands the importance. so having a good relationship with people, we have 1000 kilometers, common order. and right now we're trying to build this relationship again. we're trying to coordinate our activities and go to work or activity some resistance ration of applying forces situation. comparison to create are different, but we find the same enemy. one final question just to kind of hasn't yet been able

to meet president zelinski when is that going to happen? yes, she didn't met her officially only informally to one of the public events. it will happen when there will be with the cranium site. but so she's very good relationship with the whole other ukrainian parliament. we have a good relationship with the minister of foreign affairs, but we understand why ukrainians don't meet her. they don't want to provoke location. is it also because they do not trust her? no, i think because there was a clear sign of who can take the key if will need to come up there and escalate that conflict against a crane or even introduce troops. so for ukrainians right now, the most important to minimize that risks, revenue crane recognize out of national leader finance. officially? i think it her if, if luca introduces her troops, miller's troops to craig,

this process will be speeded up and then ukraine can recognize most can meet her. but right now they are very cautious. they don't want to try to play with fire. it's been a pleasure talking to you, we have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us today for not via talk with ah, ah, with

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