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turning their washing invaders into russians in retreat. and german chancellor o off shoulds said that his decision today came after careful consideration and more time than allies had actually expected to night. that clock it is ticking. will these tanks be enough just in time, or will they be too little, too late? i'm break off in berlin. this is the day. ah, no germany will always be at the forefront when it comes to supporting ukraine. the united states in europe are fully united and i'm in 3rd agreement with the u. s. president counsel president, i'm grateful of chairs were shows fighting german leper to tax. and he said, president is a very good partner. in today's announcement,

bills on the hard worker commitment countries around the world. and i believe that our friends and allies are preparing to follow our lead. just me just the general government world war 3 is around the corner, which is also coming up. many russian soldiers have already retreated from eastern ukraine, leaving almost everything behind things forgotten that may help others. remember, lucy ensued a bush of evening. all these objects could disappear, see horror, some people could just take them to them upolu, and then the boys. we need to gather and hold onto these artifacts in order to show them in the future. ah, the, to our viewers watching a p b as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with german and us tanks that will soon be headed for you, great weapons that keep considers key to pushing back russian forces and ultimately

winning this war. and the news today came from both sides of the atlantic. here in berlin, german chancellor sholtes told parliament that he has approved the transfer of german made leopard to basil jakes, germany to ukraine. schultz said that he is also giving the green light for other european countries to do the same. hours later, he was president joe by falling suits saying that america will send in one abrams tanks to ukraine as well. the goal to equip ukrainian forces with weapons that will make a victory possible earlier, rather than later. a lot of numerous tanks to leaders with one message ticklish. this is the correct approach. we're talking about very effective weapon systems and it's right that we never provide these weapons systems alone, but always in close cooperation corporate soon. today. today i'm announcing that

united states will be sending $31.00 abram tanks to ukraine, the equivalent of one ukrainian battalion. i'm grateful a chance for shots for fighting german leopard to tax, and will lead in effort to organize the european contribution to tank battalions for ukraine. germany has really stepped up joining me now at the big table as our chief political correspondent, dina ha. so she's been covering the story for sure. i mean, it's good to see you, but i want to tell you that public opinion here in germany, it's divided over sending checks to ukraine. how did chancellor shot, how did he sell that? does his decision today to parliament in public? well, we've seen an intense debate haven't weigh brent hair and germany over the last couple of days and weeks. and that is sometimes forgotten when you look at what international partners are writing in the media. you know, they, they almost represent germany as a united country saying germany doesn't want to deliver tanks. that is not true. the opinion is very much split in half. and there was

a narrow majority in favor of sending left 2 tanks to ukraine just before this decision. but also majority of people said they didn't want these tanks to be used to reclaim territory, to launch an offensive or a counter offensive if you will, in, in, in ukraine. and that is something that will have. so it's very much picks up in his speech today. that feeling that the public is divided, he really started his speech by saying ok, we need to remember who's to blame for those who is to blame is ludovic proof. and of course, and he is the reason why all this is necessary because we've promised ukraine that we will defend ukraine. we will help it to defend itself rather. and then he just told the story of how germany has done step by step what it has done now in terms of weapons deliveries. and that no such step was taken without the support from

international allies. and that, that is vital for gemini, as there has been criticism. this be criticism here in germany. but there's also been criticism across europe and in the united states that short, it has government that they've been dragging their feet with this decision. other allies have said that they've been waiting and waiting to send their takes to ukraine. it seems the optics are that germany is the out wire here. the thing is, when you look at how germany it behaves in terms of politics, this is typical behavior, especially when it comes to defense and security issues. germany because of its history because of the terrible atrocities that were committed during the 2 well was, has a history where it says ok, we need to be really careful in terms of helping a conflict or getting involved into conflicts. so that was the key message. we mustn't be dragged into this war at all. we must prevent a situation where we as nato are at war with russia,

that cannot happen. so germany is not going to send tanks by itself. and this is something that many people interpreted as so it's being hesitant. i don't think he was hesitant. i think he was working really hard behind the scenes to forge this coalition. and if you say, if you look at the result, what we have now on the table, i believe that ukraine is now getting a lot more than it would have done if germany had said from the 1st moment that those demands were actually voiced. if they had sent their leopards, then you know, that wouldn't have been as much as you transmitting. that as part of the message that you create will actually be better equipped or will have more heavy weapons. because a little bit more time passed before the decision came. absolutely, and more countries are on board. i mean it's not just the leopards, it's not just 14 german tanks that are being sent. there is 2 battalions that are going to get on its way consisting of some 40 level 2 tanks each. so this is

something that ukraine will have by the end of this 1st quarter. and training will start in the 1st week of february is a 6 week training, so it will be delivered swift swift. just as before, we run out of time this fear of this war escalated, it appears to be a fear that is deeply rooted among the social democrats, particularly among the chancellor, but not among the greens and the f t p, who also sheer power with him. why is, why is it, why does it seem to be the s p d because the sd is undergoing massive transformation. the s p d always believed in this principle. change through trade. this is something that one of the key figures actually shaped available and, and his eastern policies and have a well known figure abroad as well. and this is something that the s p d has long stuck with. the s p d was also in the government with angler mac angle america was also fam. believe

that security can only happen in europe if it's with russia. now this week, the s p d presented it's new draft of a foreign and security policy approach. and for the very 1st time, there is the sentence in that we need security against russia. it says we need to be safe. we need to protect ourselves against russian. this is such a massive step. it cannot be underestimated in the house. is always good to have you here at the table. thank you. russia has already issued a warning about today's decision. let's go now to russia analyst konstantin. eager to join me tonight from vilnius constantine. it's good to see you. the language coming from the grammar is it seems to be tailored for german ears. talk to me about what has been said so far. when did the brent are the the kremlin spokesman dmitri pasco, for prudence, alter ego? no, said that german tanks will burn just all the previous things did. and also

he said a bit earlier that this step, i mean german decision to supply tanks, a crane will not improve russian john relations. but i do think that there is, i'd say, a bit less ah, all the robust rhetoric from the official gram this or sleep. so for some russian propagandists are going as far as to say, we should strike berlin. but what propaganda saying is, and not relevant to policy making, this is for domestic consumption. ah, what i think requirement is worried about is reports that more and more armor will pour into cray, not only tanks, but also a repairs vehicles. and a, b, c from france, and we're talking probably about hundreds of units. uh huh. hundreds of a oh, this alma,

different types of ama and i think that this is what gives the kremlin. and i'd say a bit of a pause i imagined there's going to be a much more fierce rhetoric coming from the credit yet it seems to be playing on schultz is concerned that the, the russian invasion of ukraine could escalate into award. that would become a war between russia and nato, which of course, germany would then be a part of a. do you think we're going to hear rhetoric that direct in is it bluster, i think so far we've seen yes, quite a lot of bluster and i think that if putin really thinks that he can a scare ah, shots into thinking that it's going to be oh, my god, the war with nato, i think that this moment is past the choices. decision is really historic is

colleagues before me said, and they indicate a shift to which i think the gremlins still didn't take on. both of them has to say that russian diplomacy and the buttons and the little a sort of support which is not very strong. i mean, he's invasion of the crime showed us that he really massively miscalculated. he missed calculated about the crying. why, why do we have to suppose that his analysis or his diplomats and as he's intelligence and i was off germany or the u. k, or whichever, the country is as correct. so i think that's a russia is not prepared for this western shift. they are still trying to use the old cliches that probably we used to live in the year ago, but i'm afraid they expiry date is a very close of not already passed. did we use russia analysts, constantine, ignorance, constantine is always fascinating to get your insights. thank you. thank you.

but today's decisions, as you heard, could be a game changer. the emphasis of course is on the word could. earlier i spoke with mark can see and about that. he is a retired colonel with the us marine corps. he was now with the center for strategic and international studies in washington, dc. unfortunately, i think the answer there is no. the 1st problem is that they are not going to arrive soon or in large numbers. countries are talking about, you know, 15 tanks here, 12 tanks there, kept to keep in mind that the ukrainians have 800 tanks in their armed forces. now, so couple of dozen of modern nato tanks are not going to make an immediate effect on the battlefield. it's also true that there's no silver bullet. we all hope that there's one weapon, some technology that's going to turn the tide that's going to bring victory. that's not going to happen. victory will come from the cumulative effect of the munitions and weapons that are being sent to ukraine,

the training that the cleanings are getting and the determination of ukrainians to resist. well, let me just get your opinion on the timing of all of this. you know, there is criticism of germany for dragging its feet on this decision. if, if this decision had come earlier, would the ukrainians be in a better position to use these chains? maybe they would have several 100 at their disposal. then would that be a realistic game changer? is it, i mean, is the timing here and going to make the difference? the problem with the timing is that nato in the united states have not wanted to overwhelm the ukrainians with a lot of new equipment. so they've been sending equipment along and sort of a measured pace at which they think the ukrainians can absorb it. remember, all of these new pieces of equipment require training for the operators in particularly for the maintain or some of these maintenance course. for example, the m one maintenance course is 44 weeks long. wow. so sending

a flood of new equipment to ukraine might overwhelm them. and the thing in the i say it's particularly worried about is waste that, that some of these, of the systems would not be maintained and they would be left in operable. and that would undermine the bipartisan consensus for sending support . ukraine explained to someone who maybe doesn't have any experience with, with heavy weapons with tanks. how did what do tanks do, and how are they going to be used in this war with russia? well, 1st, keep in mind that tanks been used from the very beginning. the russians entered the war with something like 1200 tanks. it was a cleaning at $800.00. this has been part of the war along what tanks add are 3 things. they have mobility, they are protection and they have fire power that makes them particularly effective on the offensive because they can move that fire power around and as the ukrainians

are thinking about counter offensives. having tanks combined as well as other armored vehicles, raises the possibility of more effective attack, breaking through maybe the russian defenses. and let's talk about this for a moment. the, the russian military. i mean, we have heard that have been report if a report report that the, the ability of the military is not what the criminal would like it to be. is this going, are we moving more and more towards a type of war of attrition or, or are we seeing the, the law of diminishing returns? said he, in, for the russian military. well, the russians at the performance of the russian military has been disappointing to the kremlin from the very beginning. i think they thought that the military, we do a lot better than it has done. on the other hand, they've hung in there, they're still fighting. they've been reinforced with this partial mobilization, so they represent a very formidable force. they've also been digging in for several months. so that's

going to make the ukranian task much more difficult. there cleanings, though are gaining in a military capability as more and more equipment arrives from nato as their troops get trained up. so they'll be ready for this offensive that everyone expects in the late winter, early spring from both sides, both ukrainians and the russians. is it realistic as some have been predicting that to think that this war could be over by the end of this year with ukraine winning it? well, it's certainly possible. we've been in a war of attrition for many months as both sides of the again, it looks a lot like world war one with 21st century weapons. certainly the hope is that with time ukrainians will become increasingly military top or powerful and will be able to push the russians out. bit by bit. i don't think that there is an expectation that they will come all at once, but maybe one chunk at

a time or cancel with the center for strategic and international studies in washington. we appreciate your time and your valuable insights tonight. thank you. thanks for having me on the show we was president biden in german, chancellor sholtes delivered their decisions on battle tanks for ukraine, 1st germany than the united states, a carefully choreographed show of unity after days that have been anything, but we decided to call on benjamin schmidt to scare us, what just happened here. he senior fellow at the university of pennsylvania kleinman center for energy policy is a former advisor at the us state department. benjamin. it's good to seeing you again. you and i, we spoke many times when you as president vine wanted former german chance wrangler miracle to stop the nord stream to natural gas pipeline project miracle. she wouldn't budge bite and eventually ended his opposition because he wanted to protect the german u. s. ties today, biden again did

a 180 this time on sending tanks to ukraine. sholtes was standing firm. if there aren't any us tanks, there will be no german tanks. it, do we just see policy being repeated? well, hello brand. hello, franz is great to see you happy new year. i think that is an absolute certainty that we have seen a repeat of policy dynamics that we've seen basically fence the started the by the ministration. let's step back to mid 2021. when us bipartisan congressional sanction that we're congressionally, mandated, mandatory sanctions, were waved by the, by the administration. and there was an agreement from the merkel chancery that if russia weaponized energy, then the merkel government would seek sanctions at the u level to stop projects like north trying to in the old rush of accounts. well, russia was intentionally limiting gasoline supplies in exacerbating and energy

crisis in 2021 leading up to its early 2022 invasion of ukraine. and in spite of that overt weapon, evasion of energy and germany didn't do anything. and the by the ministration nevertheless, stood by and waved sanctions. that would have helped police to some degree, the national security situation in europe with european energy security must mine influence going forward and get forward after the war had begun that the chancellor had come out along with ministries in, in the german government and pointed out that rushes claims that they had technical issues with siemens turbines that they needed from canada that would have to have canada lift sanctions to bring these turbines over to, to help the north stream. one pipeline operates were false. these were a false pretense in order to try to get export controls regime sanctions regime lifted in the west in spite of this early and still put pressure on canada and the

by the ministration after canada lifted this waiver against its own sanctions. policy said that this would help europe energy cert. it didn't again, more of a priority to create this unity, the separate track of unity with berlin. specifically, not europe as a whole. and remember most, if not almost every country in europe was opposed to north 32, especially along nato's eastern blank. yeah. most of the trans atlantic community when it out that these were false claims on the turbine front. and we're again seeing this with the bank. yeah, and there was the claim or now we hear it even more that former chancellor, i'm going america may have been just too positive on russia. we're hearing that now with chancellor sholtes has lots of criticism that sholtes was dragging use feet. we've seen it on social media today. we've just one image, we want to show our viewers today. if we can pull that up as an i phone, that is supposed to look like it belongs to vladimir putin and on that we see text

messages coming from german chancellor sholtes reading. basically, i'm sorry, i tried, i mean, the idea here, of course, that's an exaggeration. but the idea is that the social democrats, especially this chancellor, cannot see russia for what russia is or for what it's allies see russia. and do you see, do you see this, this difference in perception? do you see that based on what we've seen, the last couple of days persisting will brent obviously that mean is an exaggeration, but it really speaks to a broader concern about that. i think a lot of security experts in the west have seen 1st of all this, this notion that if the worst off tomorrow, for some reason, there was a preemptive ceasefire that russia wanted to stop lighting in order to restock itself. so we can take another run it ukraine in the future on there, there are certainly a lot of corners of the, the german energy establishment, the german business elite and the german policy circles. that would welcome

a return to business. as usual with the kremlin, i can guarantee you that those calls would come almost immediately. and so that's an incredibly concerning situation, because certainly we've seen that the poor regime, specifically not the concept of russia is a, is a country in general. but the pool regime specifically cannot, you know, cannot be returned to as a partner in any sense of the word. it is a national security threat, pure and simple to western democracies in particular, europe. and so there's, there's this lamentation in berlin that may be the foreign policy and national security center of gravity in europe. it's, it's shifting east there. he says like warsaw village calling it is. let's face it . it is, there is a perception. and to that, that the u. s. president, in this, by changing his mind, he did it because he wanted to present to russia. you know, this, this picture of unity among the west is he,

is that at such great, such a great risk right now that the u. s. president, have to had to do what he had to do today. i mean, is that what we're seeing happening? well look, i think it's great that we're sending the abrams tanks. i think it's going to take a while as your previous as pointed out for them to have specifically those systems to be trained up and have impact on the battlefield. i think we all should be all should also should be going right ahead. with sending attack comes in, sending in working with nato's. he's been playing partners on transferring nato, a mix that up that are in those countries to help fighter jet capacity in ukraine. but what we're really seeing is, you know, the unity of the discussion of unity. again, that's a washington berlin unit that's being being cordoned off. right. we had unity from a lot of other countries on nato's eastern flank, the united kingdom. you had poland in the baltic states, et cetera, all saying that they would transfers these lay of hard to tanks. if only berlin

would give the, okay. and again, this wasn't even a question of whether berlin itself would bring these tanks over there and allow them to their own textbook. you would even allow the re export control of those tanks from the other countries. there will mention about about 36 and let me ask you after what has happened in the last couple of days behind closed doors? how would, what, what do you think is the condition of us german relations tonight? i think it's great. i frankly, i think that the condition of u. s. government relations is prioritized by this administration. possibly. i, you know, above any other relationship in europe. i think that time and time again, whether it's in the energy security space, whether it's in the national security space, et cetera. this has been a, almost a policy monitor of this movie watching for land, of course. ok. i had to be a significant change after the trumpet ministration, but i think again, there are a lot of other areas of europe, most of europe that are trying to help you plan more vociferously and, and that needs to be considered as well. measurement is always good talking with

you. wish we had more time appreciate your time and i thank you. thanks so much, brent. ah, and finally the so called doomsday clock with russia invasion of ukraine to the spectra of nuclear weapon use. a group of scientists says that earth is crypt it's closest ever to nuclear arm. again, they've moved the famous doomsday clock up to just 90 seconds before midnight. that means that to them, the perceived threat is now more severe than it was last year. with the scientists fighting unprecedented danger posed by the russian invasion of ukraine, atomic scientists. but it is almost on the conversation, continues align your financial twitter. you can follow me on twitter at britain. gov tv will see you tomorrow with

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