of inequality ah 75 years ago mahatma gandhi peacefully led the country to independence. what has remained of his vision? where does the world so called the largest democracy stand? where is india headed? this is the moment to unleash on violet bass. gandhi's legacy starts january 28th on d. w. belittles has afforded russia since the start of the war in ukraine. it's provided weapons, military bases, and logistical support. but is that support set to escalate into something more active in bella recited. there is a consensus that we don't support this war. that bill was our mission, not participate, and also sales. it also understands that if he sent out the restrict the crane,

they can defect. they can turn arms against him. that's from my guest debate. franak, we are ciocca is chief political advisor to berlin, ocean opposition leader for atlanta. the come of sky up. she claims to be the national leader of bella luce, but how legitimate is her claim? and how successful has her opposition been to alexander luke or franco's regime? for charco. welcome to conflict on. oh, mister whittaker, over the weekend you had russian defense minister, saturday, sure ago in bellows meeting, his opposite number. and just few days before that, you had unnamed, the russian generals arriving in minsk as well for various meetings, is russia planning an escalation of the war in ukraine with bella bruce's help? the visits fresh and general some officers our usual thing since the question that

came to power. but when we're has started all the deals that are signed became secret. and we don't really know how much dependence on my children to remain in the hands of her location. and so there were some people we believe that every visit they decide on given was here in utah, those sector of military conflicts under control of russia. a listen to music is also important because it happened just of this, of mr. mckee, the foreign minister, which was very close to lucas and, and it was perceived by the little some officials as a reminder, who is in charge. so go to some officials or some officers are afraid of moscow. i do want to talk about the death of foreign mr. mckay, but 1st i'd like to talk about what these written by russian generals mean. you have foot instant described as a very dangerous development reports of russian miss. i was including hypersonic

missiles and 5 to just to just make 30 ones being stationed in bellows. what is the information you have? is russia planning large scale ad assaults and ukrainian infrastructure from bella? ros. the last, me sales shrugged. as we have witnessed, was on november 6th from bill. it was very direct, so it means a rated for 2 months. there were in most strikes from from betters. but to the same time, i'm more than 10000, the russian soldiers arrived to gather some there and deployed in different parts of our country. they're awesome military training. along with our troops, we see vehicles. we see as some banks, we see some divisions. so fire defense systems arriving to bellows. it doesn't seem there branan attacking a group of army on billers editor. it seems there, bring the army in order to control the situation in billers in order to fix their

ration. occupational villers a. we really believe that russia can use relatives as a consolation prize, in case if you will lose the war in ukraine. are you? what is the belgian troops might be thrown into the fight in ukraine? it's still not next to 3 months. right now russia doesn't have a capacitor now, or it's newer vehicles from dollars per tory army. so we'll look, be able to conduct a check. the ration if the strong backup primarily technical back up from russian also been shown soldiers. they don't have morale that they don't see cranium to enemy in society. there is a consensus that we don't support this for the building. our mission not participate, but also sales. it also understands that if he sent out the re strips to crane,

they can defect. they can turn arms against him, they will be split. hopefully, there will be no way for protest. and he's really afraid of sending mail central still to ukraine because it will, it gonna cost him the power. so you're confident that with russia is back to the wall in ukraine, essentially, losing the fight, falling behind on the battlefield as a start and by the needle. second general says that president putin is not pressured. i pressuring, alexander lucas shank to commit his troops into battle, your confidence that i think they're playing the role. it's the performance aggression case, playing the independent leader who supports russia. and she wants to stay exclusive alive or pushing. because this is the only way to stay in power to have guarantees that we can, that will not come to murder him, but also for a question which in this is very,

very important right now in order to control the internal domestic situation. to say that her own ocean is with pressure asian bush. and i think let's, let's imagine that this is the leash and lucas jenkins. there are on the leash and put in this trying to shorten this leash so much as possible to not allow lucas shenker to not leave him a space at all. this is the goal of putting to create that up at the regime. ventilate resume, which will be doing 100 percent of ever him the capital moscow will want from him. so you had said in november that a 14 was not interested in sending bell at ocean troops through ukraine. you stand by that? yes, yes, i think it will create more problems than the benefits. it's not experience for me . i was in the army, i was serving the minister on the border with crane. it was 10 years ago,

but they know what, what, what is it? what christian came to nest in cage would be the in the secret services that, that the me to protect himself up can never invest in better some army, when billable chances received. my bill is ation coals. there will be huge progress, huge resistance, because the site doesn't support this war at all. and the look a sham, probably bolt, which in the boulders also push and use the lage him to that bush, him. if i will send my troops, then the all on the 20 and let you know, will attack me because you see they are preparing they escalade, they deploy more troops on the border. so he use this as than the reason him in order to last 10 bow sam tropes. so they play this performance. everyone is happy, they create their pressure. they create the pressure on the ukraine. austin pressure that this might happen and i think they're, they're even there, the threat of sending our troops to destruct and be courses of the cranium and help

us understand alexander lucas shall go, the current leader of bellows. would he rather be on the side of president fulton, or would he rather be with the west, for instance? he will be with the weekend because when this mentally close to him, location pays the soviet man or he is very western democracy. something that goes against his principles against his, for nature. he chose russia and put in instead of dilution. people in 2020 could agree on dian with the professors 2 years ago, but instead he called for pigeons helped to suppress this protest. and right now we wish the tipping point of this pro ration using an adult nutrition. now in october, alexander lucas and court told b. b, nbc, i'm sorry, in an interview that no one was closer to president as

a signal to the west that he was ready to mediate with president brought in between president putin and the west to curtail his dependence on russia. location to just want to stay relevant to be important isn't all this like alpha alpha man. he wants to be the source neighbor where this is why he was so happy when the 1st means negotiations took place in 2014 and the host of them wants to be the big player. it wants to be in the 1st leak and also all the statements about his closure. closeness to, to put him about nuclear weapons in dealers in order to raise the price to raise the worse of himself. but usually just the blossom he, he's a very poor, old, weak, insecure man. you talked about the death of letting me my k, bella was

a foreign minister, a close, confident of alexander lucas. shank oak. did russia have anything to do with my case? death? possible. everything is possible right now. we come to the full day new, over the versions. we still didn't see the obligation of the document about the decimal my case with the ominous restrictions from the past. but still there is no official information. also there they basement from lucas and about the death of my peers. many years after the fact was revealed, it means there is something behind it. wish in the bush and officials have very read them. they. they feel that they can be the next. and they think this bass, these could be, could be just just death, but also can be part of the bigger events, bigger than then we were still considering, you talked,

of russian troops invalid was there to court control. the situation is bella rules, a hostage of russia. billers has taken hostage of russia and of putting together least 2 criminals. they just use better territory in order to, to attack the korean to revise empire and not just the same people are taken hostage. let's not forget that there are thousands of people in jail and it's a 1000 where forced to leave the country in 2021. when chris down took place against the little send them a great the courses. it was a preparation for ashley war against the cream. you talked about the pro democracy movement. let's talk about that last week. opposition leader. mario co, less nichol ended up in intensive care, but she was transferred to hospital from her prison cell. she was perhaps one of the last major opposition figures left inside barrows. would you say her fate is a big blow to the opposition movement inside bellows?

a muddy a's, a beak inspiration for many pollutions, especially the russian women. she became a symbol of resistance. as she was selenium this massive, huge for alice in august and september of 2020. and right now when we found out he's in a sense of care unit, it was the big truck total loss. but was it a big blow? of course it was a big shot, wasn't a big blow, but the opposition movement ah, yes it was, it was, it was a blow. it was a blow. but also like we have to investigate. were patterns for her because just before i ended up ended up in the hospital, she was broken the punishment. so this is the cage be style torture cells. people are without fresh air, people or without communication. they could be beaten there. and something,

something happened wrong to her, perhaps there wasn't an order from lucas shanker personally to punish her. doesn't oldish show that the opposition movement inside bellows has been silenced. no, it's no problems to change the form of resistance. there are many parties and groups . they work in every region of the country. most of them participated in stop in the russian train. they come back to sabotage on the railway scene, march and april. this year. there are thousands of people, members of the cyber partners are groups. they paralyze and state infrastructure and few weeks ago they hacked the russian oversight committee. oscar absorb league of the data to journalist, and there are many activists put together, shall or ukrainian flex all over. the country will show some, as this will be in the campaign, not all over the country, but in big cities, primarily when the workers of the big factories refused to do their job. for

example, let's take that. let's take that up space value but doesn't, hasn't that invited a greater correct down against them from alexander lucas and go it is indeed to do to receive right now that impressions and bigger than in 2020, every day from 10 to 20 people are being detained and people not just the same, their torture. they are harshly beaten. more active is dying prism, and this is shock a lot. and we call one international community to react recall and the un i to take urgent measures. let's talk about a number. the better should human rights group, the ash claims as many as 5000 people are in the prison due to political reasons. they are not classified officially as political prisoners, but they are in prison because of their political activism. the united nation stays hundreds of thousands of bell oceans are leaving the country and going to neighboring countries. my question to you therefore it is who is left in the country to carry out an opposition against alexander lucas shall go.

bill ran 1000000 people buck. country sold a protest to more than 1000000.5 participants. so even if let's say a few $100000.00 in the contra, still become a 1000000 to resist. also, there is a big disappointment. be willing to change the situation and to prevent that from participating in this war. so i think people who participate in the resistance right now, they did not participate in the 2020 their new people who reacted on the fact of the war and they resist. right. now they're on the front lines and they go out and they protest, despite all the better you are based outside the videos as an opposition. how effective are you? how many people, for instance, has your movement been able to release from prison?

oh, we are in daily patch with belittle sham groups are on the wrong to with local communities . we will meet with blockers. journalists who described in the sprint, or some easy leaf flat, put in their main mailboxes that are spanish channels leader of who, who, who are in elections. she created a matrix conditional cabinet, which is like government in exile and which we know we know all, you know, all that mr via telecom, but then how does that helping activists inside bella, ruth, you admitted earlier that they keep getting thrown into prison and that cracked on has only increased in 2020, so how is your work outside helping them inside in bellows? so we pass assistance. we tried to pass equipment where possible we conduct information campaigns to come to rational location because propaganda,

i don't think something's fiber little chance provide. when we try to keep the morale that i had to build connection between different groups, different parties and groups within the country. and we can log before more international support for be a little shout score, still fight and in the country. is it not a failure of your opposition movement that after 2020, at that time and a massive st protest? and it seemed that the game was up for alexander, lucre shinkel. he has been able to hold on and continues to govern bellows. is that not a failure of position movement? not yet, as we see there. correct on in 2020 was depreciation called the war aggression coupled and for life without which him each weekend who provided him with money with soldiers, with the resources back in 2020. and right now the question k, spain is that back to approach?

and it's not the fail. oh yeah, it's about the situation. became much more complex. now we are part of the bigger original jo political crisis. now we are fight more just for democracy for democratic elections. but we are fighting for the very existence of states hold. and in order to get the letters free and independent, we need the terry of the grant settle. i'm african sky, your boss to and to whom you provide political advice, emerged from the 2020 election and particularly the protest, the mouse st protest that happened after that she presents herself as the leader of the bella lucian, opposition is she i think she's a national leader abilities and president elect one elections that didn't take her office because of concussion can put him issue the leader of the benediction. opposition. i think she's a durability nation, because look at some crazy and opposition. it was more than 70 percent of roles

typical or the present for she does not lead a united beneficial position. she lives in the united democratic versus exactly she united all the major groups, traditional political parties and the new groups that the year 2020. and of course there are different. they do all the different use among different politicians. but she's absolutely, are we unify and figure to to all of the will she delivers. trim democrats. let's see. how unifying that is because an opinion for bi telegram baseball stuff. not rodney or pross among opposition minded bella. lucian's found that the colonoscopy regiment of belushi volunteers fighting in ukraine was 5 times more popular among bell at oceans than this is for atlanta to kind of sky. clearly, she's not a leader of a united opposition issue. this is the oldest,

they're just the mom activists of this specific group. i'm calling oscar regimented just a group of meat that able into years bite in the ukraine. so listen, compare, you know, political leadership and, and the fighters and the, let's not forget to most can participate in elections in one election, multiple of servers, surveys, polls or international him to prove that she won elections. she received 2 or 3000000 the vote. so the communist regiment is irrelevant as an opposition group. in oscar regiment is the part of the democratic and independence movement. they are fighters in ukraine. they're fighting for liberation of ukraine and they are, they deserve a huge respect from we all support their, if they what you say, they are popular they are not popular as politicians, therefore, are soldiers because they sacrifice me a lie, a notice to,

to save you crane because they understand that when you cradle, we are we as well. so they are not seen as a part of the opposition then now the fighters and all that. so let's divide and politicians from the fighters and military volunteers. schools are integrating in the army. of course they are, they are playing very important role. and 1st of all, they see they preserve the group name of the school, where seem by many ukrainian as aggressions. i'm calling those key regimen. they prove that not all the little shim or like lucretia for the regime, and people are 2 different things. right? let's talk about minutes. you know, skype, you keep saying in this, in through the tree, the national leader of bella rules, and she has a keeps calling us of the national leader of bellows. but who accept for lithuania, agrees to call her that almost every country she comes. she smith's on the presidential level in the parliament. she sold this address. madam president,

to be just and was, there is no, there is no, but there is not official recognition of her as the leader of bellows are, there is the fact recognition. there is the level protocol which are defined as far as the kind of state. there is no years from this years. we don't, we didn't go into this game or legal recognition, but it's more than just a game, isn't it? because alexander location goes, regime continues to have diplomatic relations with a lot of countries, particularly those in asia and africa. for instance, there, alexander lucretia, and go count as leader of bell arrows and not music and less sure, that's true. and this is, this is the problem for us because police nation, them, they come to the united nations general assembly and they've all, to very, all, from the support of proposals and called russian the in the show. this is why we

are trying to reach out the countries outside of the european union. we read the rich outlet in america and we have some, some relation there will be a reached out africa stage as well. but the local work her to be done. but the most important in terms of the economy in terms of trade and political relationship or horses. so the european union, what percentage lottery organized or a believer? and now we are asking medical in the recognizing human them as the work criminal. now mr. scott is also sought to find the common cause with ukrainians. we began this interview talking about the ukraine. wanted to talk about the war she has said, and i caught that cannot be a free bellows without a free ukraine. does ukraine see it in the same way? as well. yes, i think the ukraine says, but a little bit little bit different. they see dealers as the guarantee of security of safety because we're looking for space and power there will be comes from threat to

ukraine like it's happened in february, february this year. luca, sure, the problem is that they will not be attacked from billers territory, and suddenly this attack happened and russian things some, most the reached key of from, from brother was ukraine understands the importance of having a good relationship with billing people. we have 1000 kilometers common order. and right now we are trying to build this relationship again. we're trying to coordinate our activities and go to work, to connect with some, resist him rational to buy and forces situation and build some grain are different, but we find the same enemy. one final question, she hasn't yet been able to meet president landscape. when is that going to happen? yes, she met her officially on the informally at lama public events. it will happen when they will be willing cranium. but she's very good relationship with that. hold

that you bring them parliament. we have a good relationship with the minister of foreign affairs, but we understand by ukrainian dumped me fur. they don't want to provoke cushion. is it also because they do not trust her? no, i think because there was a clear sign of lucas shown here for mid to most care locations or can escalate the conflict against the crane or even introduced troops. so for ukrainians, for now the most important to minimize that risks when the ukraine recognize, had a national leader of and i was officially i think it her if, if luca introduces her troops, letters troops to, to ukraine, this process will be speeded up. and then ukraine can recognize most can meet her, but right now they are very cautious. they don't want to try to play with fire. it's been a pleasure talking to you. we have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining

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