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ah ah, after the departure of jam ballston are on germany, was hoping to open a new chapter in relations with brazil, chancellor of shots met with left us president luna da silva, becoming the 1st head of government to visit brazilian under new leadership. but the new man in charge is proving to be a harder nut to crack than shells. anticipated. lula served sholtes with
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a resounding no when he asked him to provide military support to ukraine. the russian invasion, a mistake, he says. but blaming russia for the war. that far he won't go. his view of the conflict drastically differs from that of the west, but among his peers in the other breaks countries. he certainly isn't the odd one out. i'm nicolle, roshan, berlin, and this is the day ah, with brazil has no interest in sending munitions so they can not be used in the war between ukraine and russia. out of what we do is to say, get back to die. logan took from the walls all over him, diplomacy, and the early days of the company, china has all along held an objective position,
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always stood on the side of peace and played a constructive role in promoting the political settlement of the ukrainian crisis. i'm, you know, my suggestion is that we create a group of countries the trying to sit at the table with russia and ukraine to try and find peace. oh, also on the de russia, as war has prompted other perhaps a quite unlikely allies to declared their allegiance with keys, exiles in ukraine, from its northern neighbour, belarus. dubois when i came here, i asked myself, should i take the bell routine flag with me store? i'll walk, i decided, yes, i thought that this is our common war against our common enemy. so oh, welcome to the shell, a warm embrace and a cold shower. the german chancellor. a trip to brazil was more of a roller coaster ride than expected. while shots traveled to the south american
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country to welcome its and its new president, back on the world stage after his predecessor and alienated many of brazil's western partners. but it won't all be smooth sailing with lula de silver either. and he made that very clear, asked to provide military support to help ukraine defend itself against russia's invasion. lula said he doesn't want any involvement in the war and stand lula said brazil and china could play a role in peace negotiations. shells was hoping to rally lula support and providing ammunition for german named tanks in ukraine. the brazilian president refused to signed with the wes and reiterated that in his view, russia and ukraine were equally to blame for the war, knew it. she viewed, it can't be possible in the 21st century that we're seeing a wall and we don't even know why it exists. or some say it's because of nato. some say it's because of entry to the european union. some say it's about the territory
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that russia occupies, so there needs to be someone at the negotiating table. and i think that our chinese friends have an important role to play wash. if i go to china and march is plan, that is an issue i want to discuss with president teaching ping. it's time for china to get involved and to try and help find peace between russia and ukraine. resentful prepares she's u b as bringing valentin asada. she's the associate director and brazil lead at the adrian arse. latin america center at the atlanta counselor. mr. o, welcome to the day. so all have shouts, travel to resilient, to welcome brazil, back into the international soul. but it seems like lula isn't about to dance to the west soon as he thank you for having me. hello everyone. well i think that this is something it's a position dave brazil hass in terms of really looking for a this diplomatic means through which we find a peaceful negotiation to the war on ukraine. anything that hula as expected from
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brazil is diplomacy and has chosen to take these things as well in terms of not really moving in any direction in terms of taking a very strong stance in terms of, you know, providing the team the tools to, to meet they deem to help with the war in terms of what the germany has been asking in terms of the west has been asking. so i think there were late proposing is this peaceful negotiation to the word, which is something that is aligned with brazilian diplomacy in general. in brazil, of course, maintains important ties to russia and in the past lula who was present on before is competent. a great and dear friend were the naive of germany to expect military support from the country did all i shall know that he wasn't going to get any when he traveled to brazil. what do you think? to me, honestly, it wasn't surprising that lead didn't agree with such a direct a contribution to their working these things. i think that it's very much aligned
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with what we would have expected from lula in the past, in his best 2 terms, as well as with reading diplomacy in general, to have this pro peace negotiations through diplomatic means as a resolution to this war and ukraine and so i think that this is what we're seeing also in terms of how pursuing russia has had, have had long standing diplomatic relationships. so, so has had so with your brain as well. but in a way, there also multilateral fronts, in which both countries, brazil in russia agree on and also collaborate on in terms of the brakes. and the g 20 as was the when, which is also a way there in which is great being back, bringing back its position into worlds. teaching lula said that it looked to him like russia had made the classic mistake. and this is a quote of invading another countries territory. and somehow that it took 2 to tango shifting the blame towards ukraine to for not sitting down or not agreeing to
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the terms that russia might be imposing on them to achieve peace. what does that tell us? about lola's view of the conflict. i think it shows us that lays really pushing again for this peaceful negotiation that both sides should be willing to have a negotiation and actually discuss them losing weight. we could agree to have a resolution to this conflict, and i think it's also a point in which ruler brings in also the fact that the un in the un security council, which is an interesting of who let himself in a resilient disdainful is bringing back this question of the un security council, not really representing the geopolitics of the day of to day. so there's something that is important to mueller backing his in his 2 terms in office has also proposed a reform of the un security council to bringing brazil, for example, as
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a member of the un security council for these negotiations. in a reason why made you laid bringing china as part of this peaceful conversations. let's look at china because, you know, we've seen as shifting the blame away from russia and a common practice not only among the brakes countries but, but also among the brakes countries. you know, russia is one of them and they are close allies. the entire group in yesterday, in china has yet to condemn the war. went a step further and directly point at the finger at the u. s. let's listen in and, and get back to you. me good. as the ones who started the ukraine crisis and the biggest hand fueling the conflict, the u. s. continues to send heavy weapons prolonging and intensifying the conflict to warming. if the u. s. truly hopes for an early end to the crisis and really cares about the safety of ukrainian people's lives. it should cease sending weapons for war profiteering. it should work responsibly to deescalate the situation and
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create a favorable environment for peace talks leader who beyond quentin county. so the u . s. they're being accused of fanning the flames of war. is that a sentiment shared by brazil? the necessarily day deep is a thing to me that is shared. but honestly, it seems to me that there is an alignment in terms of billing, which that is being used in terms of really pushing for the space for negotiations . and not only calling on russia not to have a part to blame because it does anything de la was clear in saying that russia made a mistake in invading ukraine, but also to make sure that there is the pressure added beer for both putting in zalinski to be ready to think at the negotiating table and actually talk about what this might look like for both countries. and i think in a way of pushed by these at non allied countries to actually at which the west as
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well as the united states in helping achieve that in results. which would be, are they really not alive though, or are they somewhat closer to russia than to the rest of the countries? no, i really think that there is a teeth for both honesty berries, alignment with the united states in general. normally more to the west bank to russia in terms of commerce, for example, in terms of trade, brazil is way more aligned with the united states than with russia. but both represent an important partnering pointing strategic partners for brazil in terms of geo politics in general. and world politics, so i think that there is more to be looked at in into this a, in this stains dang, just us versus russia situation or china versus a us situation. so what lola proposes is a piece initiative land by brazil, and what the chinese involvement china has so far been fairly reluctant to get
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involved in any way. so when leverage does lula have to change that because he's going there in march. and he says that he wants to bring up the topic. yes. so they know he has that in the re, leis expectation for the legendary station nowadays is very high. everyone is expected to again bring for the backing to the international community and really push for these kinds of a peaceful negotiations for though and who leverage to learn. he has a history in terms of negotiating with iran as well. so this is maybe a waking court, giving a change to the administration for himself to try to me is a possibility, like bring this narrative in his rhetoric, q a, china as he visits china in march and then also to the united states. it comes to meet with biding, now in february and from the center of the atlanta counsel. thanks a lot for those insights you
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ah, are closer to home actually right next door. russia has a staunch ally and belarus mince and moscow have announced a week on training program for officers in charge of their joint. military groping in bella, rose moscow's troops and made it ukraine across the bell of rosie and border. last february, ukraine says the threat of a renewed russian offensive there is currently low, but they're doing everything they can to make sure it stays that way as our corresponding max sumner reports somewhere close to the bell rouge and border under the cover of pine trees ukrainian border guards are forcing their positions. ha, ha ha. but his notions with these trenches are designed to protect the lives of the people in the military, as well as to provide defense bottleneck obama subordinate of them. so if the enemy
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attacks from the nearest road, if sure, our infantry will respond, it was just that i'm a little you am, let us know that i am would empty quote and he won't go into detail about their preparations and won't even confirm that he's trenches are new that others, but you can smell sawdust and the boards seem dry and clean. in the distance, we hear trees being felt broadly above it. all their message is russians won't get past them a 2nd time. with this bridge used to join ukraine and bela bruce. the defenders blew it up to try to stop the 1st rush in advance. now they are looking across the river again, right now, the situation here seems calm, but soldiers here prepared for this to change at any moment. the worries are that the russians could push through here again in the 2nd attempt to take key. if, with freshly mobilized troops and lessons that they learned from last time, it's places like these that the russians moved through before the settlement south
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of the border where the fighting was fierce. oh, phil had lives changed forever. alexander lived here with his wife young mother and stepfather. he wants to show us the damage to his property. look me lemeu. the regular citizens were shelled with mortars mimi, the russian artillery was firing at the farm thumb and our tanks fired back at them . but the artillery and tank shells didn't hit our house, but the mortars did look to be mimi. a wall came down on his mother and emilio with his elbow. oh, philip dilemma. this is where my mother's grave was. miss rica fully visibly michel lucy, alexander, burried her here in his guard. only after the russians retreated, could he move her to a cemetery? and yet, alexander doesn't want to leave the of was rochelle, knew the, i believe that people have experienced such horror that it is difficult for me to
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add anything. yeah, you have to live, we want to live open and panic. so there's no sense in panicking like when you mer to run, that we have nowhere to run to. robert, we'll see what happens. i shall go live, but i'm most of those who are still here. few like him. further down the road, yohina runs a shop at her house was also damaged in the fighting it. i don't even know. i don't want to go anywhere. and at the moment we're not able to. it's very scary for children and i'm very worried. every one we met, you can talk about pain and loss, but it seems courage and determination run just as deep. dr. nadia douglas is a political scientist with the center for east european and international studies.
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miss douglas, welcome to the day. how likely do you think it is that we'll see, bella rose, actively join the war in ukraine? i believe the present moment is quite unlikely, although we see ongoing join the military exercises of betterments and russia now and to prepare a union shield next year. and also we have to bear in mind that join military exercises were used as a pretext for the invasion on february 24th. but at the moment, the conditions much more is worse than in february for an invasion from the north, which doesn't exclude that russia on its own, could launch a new attack from on your train, from bemrose. and can you elaborate on that? what are the conditions? what's different the room? well, in the meanwhile, ukraine has taken prequal precautions. they have mind the entire north of the
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regions, and then they have blown up the bridges, the prepared to marcia's very, very complicated territory for an invasion. and also both the demand luca, shank, much of air of the fact that the ocean army is not at all prepared for such and such a large skill invasion look, i shan't go is the biggest ally in the neighborhood and may be worldwide. how much power does have over lucca shanker, a firm grip on look of shank guy ever since a 2020. when he secured the anchors for will off the direct election presidential elections. and the better was, has lost
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a great deal of great sheriff. it's political and economics over and the t because the crown has been trying to try to strengthen the integration process in the context of the union state up location go. doesn't really want to join this conflict, does he? he's got problems at home. he's seen as an illegitimate leader, not only by the opposition there or the opposition exile. where in this regard in the war that is happening next door, is his red line and does it in the conditions that you just explained, have any leverage to stop booting, pressuring him to cross it. well, putting will continue to pressure him. look at shanker, but better a look at the regime and the entire country. they would try to avoid
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active participation in russia as war against ukraine by all means possible. because a majority of the population, an opinion polls the show that are against that occupation. often there was in this wall a shanker is under enormous pressure, and it's not clear what would be, is the red line, if it again, would not be willing to engage with 14. and if it would become a partner in crime, and it would mean a huge destabilization for us as a country and it would, it would put it think its own national identity. how strong is lucas group on power?
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well look at shanker, by, by means of moscow's help, has a re consolidated his power. and we could say that domestically he is. his regime is as secure as before, almost before 2020. but we see that the belgian society is invited, as it has never been before. and the majority of the society is probably against the war. but we can see also again, a national survey is show that a see for russia for the full russian soldiers, for example, this growing, but also at the same time as sympathy for ukraine. yes. and it's still there. so it's,
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it's difficult to assess the situation. so bella rose is russia strongest partner, but how about russia's other allies in the post? so be it wrong. we've seen central asian nations increasingly turn away from food. does that mean that broader support for him is fading in the region? yeah, i would say that looking at past meetings of to see, you know, the defense, our common defense organization, it shows that the poor dns are moscow l i is, i'm not backing him that much anymore. a really remains his last and only closest ally, even our media, which is also in security terms,
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much dependent on russia has, has actually a question a, the rule of the kremlin of russia. but this is again, they have an own conflict on not going to care about and much, much disappointed about the direction peacekeeping troops performing on the ground there. that is also another reason for them. yeah. questioning the status of their i, dr. nadia douglas center for east european and international studies. and thank you so much for your time today. thank you. and i like the new location go is rural beller with an iron grip for almost 3 decades. the last election was held in 2020 and it was followed by mass protest over the results. the descent was soon crushed, leading to thousands of fellow rosie and flame the country. many of them ended up
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in neighboring ukraine, where they now have to contend with russia's war, they w sonya on a car. and is this report from keith i glory to you, create long lives, better dissidence, and even fight to the you created all me commemorate. federal ban russians who have died fighting for keith organizers. see, it's the 1st rally bell russian exiles in ukraine. since russia's invasion, just months earlier, alyssa, me now had fled to ukraine to avoid prison for his activism. he said a warm welcome don't, frosty after moscow used bell russian territory to launch its invasion as rosamille along, the attitude has changed, but i get it lossless spoke the ukrainian security service came to my place or to check the apartment my phone little and we had a talk phone, but it was politely and bella luce, some people come and masks and with weapons,
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and that's the end they or moscow. if i'm this boy officer, your alice says he can work freely, but he's working alone. and on a shoestring, he says, fears the bellows might again help russia attack. make people ho wary of him. it's a feeling familiar to irina. another young been a russian who fled to ukraine. they bought miss home, but starting to feel settled here or some younger chuckle winnie at the beginning of the war. i was really scared, especially because of my last name, which is lucas shanker national helpers watch. i was scared to even say it or to show my documents, to say that i'm from bell. ruth was almost very in. i don't know what's worse when there's a war and missiles can rain down on you, or someone can come to your home at any moment and send you to jail. to walk. elena
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says she's applied for asylum and ukraine. but as a bell, russian still can't open the bank account. she'll. she's volunteering for the war effort and is determined to city yet, and the harsh, i'm inspired by ukraine, how they're organizing, how they're volunteering, how they're working together. i would love to see the same thing and bella bruce at the rally, i, this is even as a reporter, he has to take a stance e, and i would say latisha dubois when i came here, i asked myself, should i take the belushi and flag with me store the novel, i decided yes, i am in your boot. i knew this journalistic ethics don't allow it to live until. but on the other hand, just it's a time when even journalists should take a position. so to hold that is that show which side there on so was out of sticky, just terrible. this is our common war against our common enemy. and so at the support there or elaborate and so for support in ohio. ah.
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and finally, po francis is on his 1st paypal visit to the democratic republic of congo. thousands of people lying the streets of the capital kinshasa to welcome the head of the catholic church in his speech. and later the pope denounced when he called the poison agreed fueling african conflicts. you also told rich nations to get their hands off africa a last our time, but make sure to stay in touch our team on twitter at w news and myself at nicole underscore for lease. and that's the way this headlines you're looking for. there's always our website for now, for me and the entire team. thanks for spending part of your day with us. ah, with
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russia actually support or resignation the war machine has a great on the country. but not everyone supports the president's war. this
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