[000:00:00;00] ah, after the departure of jacob wilson are in germany was hoping to open a new chapter in relations with brazil. chancellor of shots met with left as president luna da silva, becoming the 1st head of government visit brazilian under new leadership. but the new man in charge is proving to be a harder nuts to cracked and shawls anticipated. lula served sholtes with a resounding no when he asked him to provide military support to ukraine. the russian invasion, a mistake, he says. but blaming russia for the war. that far he won't go. his view of the conflict drastically differs from that of the west, but among his peers in the other bricks countries. he certainly isn't the odd one out. i'm nichol for ocean berlin and this is the day.

ah, brazil has no interest in sending munitions so they can not be used in the war between ukraine and russia. are active. what we do is to say get back to dialogue and from the walls of diplomacy in the early days of the country, china has all along health. an objective position always stood on the side of peace and played a constructive role and promoting the political settlement of the ukrainian crisis . i'm, you know, my suggestion is that we create a group of countries the trying to sit at the table with russia and ukraine to try and find peace. oh, also on the day rush as war has prompted other perhaps quite unlikely allies to

declare their allegiance with keys, exiles in ukraine from its northern neighbour, belarus, who below when i came here, i asked myself, should i take the bellow, routine, flag with me? i decided, yes, i thought that this is our common war against our common enemy. and so oh, welcome to the shell, a warm embrace and a cold shower. the german chancellor. a trip to brazil was more of a roller coaster ride than expected will have shots traveled to the south american country to welcome its and its new president back on the world stage after his breed assessor and alienated many of brazil's western partners. but it won't all be smooth sailing with lula de silver either. and he made that very clear, asked to provide military support to help you. crane defend itself against russia's invasion. lula said he doesn't want any involvement in the war and stand lula at brazil and china could play

a role in peace negotiations. charles was hoping to rally lula support and providing ammunition for german maintains, in ukraine. the brazilian president refused to signed with the west and reiterated that in his view, russia and ukraine were equally to blame for the war, nor perceiving. it can't be possible in the 21st century that we're seeing a wall and we don't even know why it exists. or some say it's because of nato. some say it's because of entry to the european union. some say it's about the territory that russia occupies, so there needs to be someone at the negotiating table. and i think that our chinese friends have an important role to play wash. if i go to china and march as plan, that is an issue i want to discuss with president teaching ping. it's time for china to get involved and to try and help find peace between russia and ukraine. recycle prepared, she should be as free involuntary asada. she's the associate director and brazil lead at b a doing arse latin america center at the atlanta counsel. mister,

i'll welcome to the day. so all have shouts, travel to resilient, to welcome brazil back into the international fold. but it seems like lula isn't about to dance to the west soon as he thank you for having me. hello everyone. well, i think that this is something, it's a position that brazil has in terms of really looking for a this diplomatic means through which we find a peaceful negotiation to the war on ukraine. and i think that lula as expected from brazil's diplomacy has chosen to take these things as well in terms of not really moving in any direction in terms of taking a very strong stance in terms of, you know, providing the team, the tools to, to meet they deem to help with the war in terms of what the germany has been asking in terms of the west has been asking. so i think there were less proposing is this peaceful negotiation to the work,

which is something that is aligned with brazilian diplomacy. in general, brazil, of course, maintains important ties to russia and in the past lula who was present on before is competent. a great and dear friend was naive of germany to expect military support from the country did all i shall to know that he wasn't going to get any when he traveled to brazil. what do you think? to me, honestly, it wasn't surprising that lead didn't agree with such a direct a contribution to their working dis things. i think that it's very much aligned with what we would have expected from lula in the past, in his best 2 terms, as well as with reading diplomacy in general, to have this pro peace negotiations through diplomatic means as a resolution to this war and ukraine and so i think that this is what we're seeing also in terms of how pursuing russia has had, have had long standing diplomatic relationships. so, so for who has had to go with you praying as well. but in a way, they're also multilateral fronts,

in which both countries resume in russia agree on and also collaborate on in terms of the brakes. and the g 20 as was the un, which is also a way there in which brazil is being back, bringing back its position into worlds. teaching at lula said that it looked to him like russia had made the classic mistake. and this is the quote of invading another countries territory. and somehow that it took 2 to tango shifting the blame towards ukraine to for not sitting down or not agreeing to the terms that russia might be imposing on them to achieve peace. what does that tell us? about lola's view of the conflict. i think it shows us that lays really pushing again for this peaceful negotiation that both sides should be willing to have a negotiation and actually discuss them losing weight. we could agree to have a resolution to this conflict. and i think it's also

a point in which ruler brings in also the fact that the un in the un security council, which is an interesting of hula himself in brazilian. the same is bringing back this question of the un security council. not really representing the geopolitics of the day of to day. so there's something that is important at mueller backing his in his 2 terms in office has also proposed a reform of the un security counted to bringing brazil, for example, as a member of the un security council for these negotiations. and the reason why made you late bringing in china as part of this peaceful conversations. let's look at china because in, you know, we've seen as shifting the blame away from russia. m a common practice not only among the brakes countries but, but also among the brakes. countries, you know, russia is one of them and they are close allies. the entire group in yesterday, in china has yet to condemn the war. went

a step further and directly point at the finger at the u. s. let's listen in and, and get back to you. me good. as the ones who started the ukraine crisis and the biggest hand fueling the conflict, the u. s. continues to send heavy weapons prolonging and intensifying the conflict to warming. if the u. s. truly hopes for an early end to the crisis and really cares about the safety of ukrainian people's lives, it should cease sending weapons for war profiteering. it should work responsibly to deescalate the situation and create a favorable environment for peace talks, lead her beyond 20th county. so the u. s. there being accused of fanning the flames of war as an a sentiment shared by brazil the necessarily day deep is a thing to me that is shared. but honestly, it seems to me that there is an alignment in terms of billing, which that is being used in terms of really pushing for these peaceful negotiations

. and not only calling on russia not to have a part to blame because it does anything to lula. was clear in seeing that russia made a mistake in invading ukraine, but also to make sure that there is the pressure added there for both putting inc zalinski to be ready to think at the negotiating. keep going actually talk about what police might look like for both countries. and i think in a way of pushed by these at non allied countries to actually at which the west as well as the united states in helping achieve that in results. which will be, are they really not alive though, or are they somewhat closer to russia than to the rest of the countries? no, i really think that there is a team for both honesty. there is an alignment with the united states in general, normally more to the west bank to russia. and in terms of commerce, for example, in terms of trade,

brazil is way more aligned with the united states than with russia. but both represent an important partnering pointing strategic partners for brazil in terms of geo politics, in general and world politics. so i think that there is more to be looked at in into this a, in this stand dang, just us versus russia situation or china versus a us situation. so what lula proposes is a p initiative landed by a brazil and with chinese involvement. china has so far been fairly reluctant to get involved in any way. so when leverage does lula have to change that because he's going there in march. and he says that he wants to bring up the topic. yes. so will they know he has that in the re, leis expectation for the lead in restriction nowadays is very high. everyone is expected to again bring brazil backing to the international community and really push for these kinds of a peaceful negotiations for those in particular. and he has

a history in terms of negotiating with iran as well. so this is maybe a waking for giving a change to the administration for himself to try to me is a possibility, like bring this narrative in his rhetoric, q a. china, as he visits china in march and then also to the united states, it comes to meet with biding, now in february and from the center of the atlanta counsel. thanks a lot for this insight. you ah, are closer to home actually, right next door. russia has a staunch ally and belarus mince and moscow have announced a week on training program for officers in charge of their joint military grouping in bella, rose moscow troops and made it ukraine across the bella, rosie and border last february. ukraine says the threat of a renewed russian offensive there is currently low, but they're doing everything they can to make sure it stays that way as are

corresponding max sumner reports somewhere close to the bell rouge and border under the cover of pine trees. ukrainian border guards are forcing their positions and she does not renew for these trenches are designed to protect the lives of the people in the military as well as to provide defense bottleneck obama subordinate of them. so if the enemy attacks from the nearest road, if shoot, our infantry will respond, it was just that i'm a little you am, let us know that i am would empty, quoting. he won't go into detail about their preparations and won't even confirm that these trenches are new, that others, but you can smell sawdust and the board seemed dry and clean. in the distance, we hear trees being felt broadly above it or their messages. russians won't get past them

a 2nd time. with this bridge used to join ukraine and bela bruce. the defenders blew it up to try to stop the 1st rush in advance. now they are looking across the river again. right now, the situation here seems calm, but soldiers here prepared for this to change at any moment. the worries are that the russians could push through here again in the 2nd attempt to take key. if, with freshly mobilized troops and lessons that they learned from last time, it's places like these that the russians moved through before the settlement south of the border where the fighting was fierce. oh, phil had lives changed forever. alexander lived here with his wife young mother and stepfather. he wants to show us the damage to his property. took me lemeu with the regular citizens were shelled with mortars. let me, the russian artillery was firing at the farm thumb and our tanks fired back at them nicely. but the artillery and tank shells didn't hit our house,

but the mortars did look to be mimi. a wall came down on his mother and emilia, when isabel will philip dilemma. this is where my mother's grave was. me said, speak up a li. vividly mcclellan reached alexander, buried her here in his guard. only after the russians retreated, could he move her to a cemetery and yet, alexander doesn't want to be of was rochelle luby. i believe that people have experienced such horror that it is difficult for me to add anything. yeah, you have to live. we want to live open and panic, so there is no sense in panicking like when you mer to run, that we have nowhere to run to. it, it was. we'll see what happens. i shall go live, but i'm most of those who are still here. feel like him further down the road, yohina runs

a shop at her house was also damaged in the fighting. it's, i don't even know. i don't want to go anywhere. and at the moment we're not able to . it's very scary for children and i'm very worried. every one we met, you can talk about pain and loss, but it seems courage and determination run just as deep. dr. nadia douglas is a political scientist with the center for east european and international studies. miss douglas, welcome to the day. how likely do you think it is that we'll see, bella rose, actively join the war in ukraine? i believe the present moment is quite unlikely, although we see ongoing join the military exercises of betterments and russia now and to prepare off the union shield next year. and also we have to bear in mind that join military exercises were used as

a pretext for the invasion on february 24th. but at the moment, the conditions much more is worse than in february for an invasion from the north, which doesn't exclude that russia on its own, could launch a new attack from on your train, from bemrose. and can you elaborate on that? what are the conditions? what's different the turn around? well, in the meanwhile, ukraine has taken prequal precautions. they have mind the entire north of the regions, and then also they have blown up bridges. the prepared to marcia's very, very complicated territory for an invasion. and also both the demand luca shank,

much of the fact that the ocean army is not at all prepared for such and such a large scale invasion look, i shan't go is the biggest ally in the neighborhood and may be worldwide. how much power does have over lucca? shanker putting has a firm grip on location. got ever since for 2020. when he secured a shank, us rule off the direct election presidential elections. and the better is, has lost a great deal of great sheriff. it's political and economics over entity because the kremlin has been trying to try to strengthen the integration process in the context of the union state up location go doesn't really want to join this conflict, does he?

he's got problems at home. he's seen as an illegitimate leader, not only by the opposition there or the opposition exile. where in this regard in the war that is happening next door, is his red line and does it in the conditions that you just explained, have any leverage to stop booting, pressuring him to cross it. well, putting will continue to pressure him. look at shanker, but better a regime and the entire country, they would try to avoid active participation in no rush as war against ukraine by all means possible. because a majority of the population, an opinion polls the show that are against that occupation, often there was and is wall a pressure.

and it's not clear what would be his red line if it would not be willing to engage with 14. and if it would become a partner in crime, and it would mean a huge destabilization for us as a country and it would, it would put it think its own national identity. how strong is lucas group on power? well look at shanker, by a, by means of a moss goes, hell has a re consolidated his power. and we could say that domestically he is. his regime is as secure as before, almost before 2020. but we see that the belgian society is as invited as

it has never been before. and the majority of the society is probably against the war. but we can see also again, a national survey is show that the sympathy for russia for the full russian soldiers, for example, this growing, but also at the same time, sympathy for ukraine. yes. and it's still there. so it's, it's difficult to assess the situation. so bella roost and russia strongest partner, but how about russia's other allies in the post soviet wrong? we've seen central asian nations increasingly turn away from food. does that mean that broader support for him is fading in the region? yeah, i would say that looking at past meetings of to see, you know,

the defense, our common defense organization, it shows that the dns are moscow allies. i'm not making him that much anymore. better with a really remains his last and orderly closest ally, even our i mean, yeah, which is also in security terms. much dependent on russia has, has actually a question a, the rule of the kremlin of russia. but this is again, they have an own conflict on going to care about and much, much disappointed about the direction peacekeeping troops performing on the ground there. that is also another reason for them. yeah. questioning the status

of their eye. doctor, not yet douglas center for east european and international studies and thank you so much for your time today. thank you. and i like the new location. go is rural. belarus, with an iron grip for almost 3 decades. the last election was held in 2020 and it was followed by mass protest over the results. the descent was soon crushed, leading to thousands of fellow rosie and flame the country. many of them ended up in neighboring ukraine, where they now have to contend with russia's war, they w sonya on a car. and is this report from keith i glory to you, create long live, but douglas, dissidence and even fight to the you created all me commemorate. federal bill russians who have died fighting for keith organizers. see, it's the 1st rally bell russian excites in ukraine. since russia's invasion,

just month audio, alice, me now had fled to ukraine to avoid prison for his activism. he said a warm welcome. don't, frosty after moscow used bella, russian territory to launch its invasion as rosamille. it's a little along, the attitude has changed, but i get it. but as lossless spoke, the ukrainian security service came to my place. i got to check the apartment my phone little and we had a talk phone, but it was politely mom and bella, luce, some people come and masks and with weapons, and that's the end they or moscow, m g, as boy of your on this says he can work freely, but he's looking alone and on a shoestring, he says feels the bellows might again help russia attack. make people ho wary of him. it's a feeling familiar to irina another young bell, russian who fled to ukraine. they bought miss home. oh, but starting to feel settled here. well,

some younger took away me at the beginning of the war. i was really scared, especially because of my last name, which is lucas shanker national health was i was, i was scared to even say it or to show my documents, to say that i'm from bell. ruth. luther was patty and i don't know what's worse when there's a war and missiles can rain down on you, or someone can come to your home at any moment and send you to jail. to walk. elena says she's applied for asylum and ukraine. but as a bell, russian still can't open the bank account. here, she's volunteering for the war effort and is determined to stay in, in the highest i'm inspired by ukraine, how they're organizing, how they're volunteering, how they're working together. i would love to see the same thing and bella luce, popping at the rally. alice says, even as a reporter, he has to take

a stance. he and i were to latisha there below. when i came here, i asked myself, should i take the belushi and flag with me? store the novel. i decided, yes. okay. in your book, virginia journalistic ethics don't allow it in his intro, but on the other hand, it's a time when even journalists should take a position. so to that is the show which side there on. so was out of the keep touch. so this is our common war against our common enemy. and so with the support there are elaborate. and so principal novato ha, ah, and finally, pope francis is on his 1st paypal visit to the democratic republic of the congo. thousands of people lined the streets of the capital kinshasa to welcome the head of the catholic church. in a speech later, the pope denounced when he called the poison, agreed fueling african conflicts. he also told rich nations to get their hands off africa a last our time, but make sure to stay in touch our team on twitter at the williams and myself at

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