[000:00:00;00] ah, after the departure of jail, wilson, r and germany was hoping to open a new chapter in relations with brazil, chancellor of shots met with left us president luna da silva. becoming the 1st head of government and visit brazilian under new leadership. the new man in charge is proving to be a harder nut to crack than shells. anticipated. lula served sholtes with a resounding no when he asked him to provide military support to ukraine. the russian invasion, a mistake, he says. but blaming russia for the war that far he won't go. his view of the conflict drastically differs from that of the west, but among his peers in the other breaks countries. he certainly isn't the odd one out. i'm nicole furnish in berlin and this is the day

ah, brazil has no interest in sending munitions. so they cannot be used in the war between ukraine and russia. america, out of what we do is to say get back to dialogue and up from the walls of diplomacy . and the early days of the company kind of has all along held that objective position always stood on the side of peace and played a constructive role in promoting the political settlement of the ukrainian crisis. um yeah, for sure. so my suggestion is that we create a group of countries that try to sit at the table with russia and ukraine to try and find peace. oh, also on the day rush as war has prompted other perhaps quite unlikely allies to

declare their allegiance with keys, exiles in ukraine from its northern neighbour, belarus, who below when i came here, i asked myself, should i take the belushi and flag with me? walker? i decided yes kaya therapy, this is our common war against our common enemy. with welcome to the shell, a warm embrace and a cold shower. the german chancellor. a trip to brazil was more of a roller coaster ride than expected. will have shots traveled to the south american country to welcome it's and it's new president back on the world stage after his breed assessor and alienated many of brazil's western partners. but it won't all be smooth sailing with lu linda silver either. and he made that very clear, asked to provide military support to help you crane defend itself against russia's invasion. lula said he doesn't want any involvement in the war and stand lula said brazil and china could play

a role in peace negotiations. charles was hoping to rally lula support and providing ammunition for german maintains, in ukraine. the brazilian president refused to signed with the west and reiterate, and that in his view, russia and ukraine were equally to blame for the war, nor perceiving that can't be possible in the 21st century that we're seeing a wall. and we don't even know why it exists, or some say it's because of nato. some say it's because of entry to the european union drug on some say it's about the territory that russia occupies. so there needs to be someone at the negotiating table. and i think that our chinese friends have an important role to play wash. if i go to china on march is plan that is an issue i want to discuss with president teaching ping. it's time for china to get involved and to try and help find peace between russia and ukraine. ok to prove shuffled did. she should be a 3 and valentine asada. she's the associate director and brazil lead at the adrian

. ours. latin america center at the atlanta counselor with cider. i'll welcome to the day, so all childs travel to resilient to welcome brazil back into the international fold. but it seems like lula isn't about to dance to the west soon as he thank you for having me. hello everyone. well, i think that this is something, it's a position that brazil has in terms of really looking for this diplomatic means through which we find a peaceful negotiation to the war on ukraine. anything that lula as expected from brazil's diplomacy a has chosen to take this stance as well in terms of not really moving in any direction in terms of taking a very strong stance in terms of, you know, providing the team the tools to, to meet they deem to help with the warring terms of what the germany has been asking in terms of the west has been asking. so i think there were less proposing is this peaceful negotiation to the war,

which is something that is aligned with brazilian diplomacy. in general, brazil, of course, maintains important ties to russia and in the past lula who was present on before is competent. a great and dear friend was naive of germany to expect military support from the country. did olaf shouts know that he wasn't going to get any when he traveled to brazil. what do you think? to me, honestly, it wasn't surprising that you had didn't agree with such a direct a contribution to the war in these things. i think that it's very much aligned with what we would have expected from lula in the past, in his best 2 terms, as well as with reading diplomacy in general, to have this pro peace negotiations through diplomatic means as a resolution to this war. a new cream and so i think that this is what we're seeing also in terms of how pursuing russia has had, have had long standing diplomatic relationships. so, so has had so with your brain as well. but in a way, there also multilateral fronts,

in which both countries do in russia agree on and also collaborate on in terms of the brakes. and the g 20 as was the un, which is also a way there in which there is been back, bringing back its position in the world's teaching lula said that it looked to him like russia had made the classic mistake. and this is the quote of invading another countries territory. and somehow that it took 2 to tango shifting the blame towards ukraine to for not sitting down or not agreeing to the terms that russia might be imposing on them to achieve peace. what does that tell us? about lola's view of the conflict. i think it shows us that lays really pushing again for this peaceful negotiation that both sides should be willing to have a negotiation and actually discuss them losing weight. we could agree to have a resolution to this conflict, and i think it's also

a point in which ruler brings in also the fact that the un in the un security council, which is an interesting of hula himself in a brazilian. this thing is bringing back the question of the un security council, not really representing the geopolitics of the day of to day. so there is something that is important at mueller backing. his seeing his 2 terms in office has also proposed a reform of the un security council to bringing brazil, for example, as a member of the un security council for these negotiations in a reason why made you laid bringing china as part of this peaceful conversation. let's look at china because, you know, we've seen as shifting the blame away from russia. m a common practice not only among the brakes countries but, but also among the brakes. countries, you know, russia is one of them and they are close allies. the entire group yesterday in china has yet to condemn the war. went

a step further and directly point at the finger at the u. s. let's listen in and then get back to you. me good. as the ones who started the ukraine crisis and the biggest hand fueling the conflict, the u. s. continues to send heavy weapons prolonging and intensifying the conflict to warming. if the u. s. truly hoped for an early end to the crisis and really cares about the safety of ukrainian people's lives. it should cease sending weapons for war profiteering. it should work responsibly to deescalate the situation and create a favorable environment for peace talks lead. hoppy young quentin county. so the u . s. they're being accused of fanning the flames of war as that a sentiment shared by brazil the necessarily day deep is a thing to me that is shared. but honestly, it seems to me that there is an alignment in terms of billing, which that is being used in terms of really pushing for these peaceful negotiations

. and not only calling on russia not to have a part to blame because it does anything to lula. was clear in seeing that russia made a mistake in invading ukraine. but also to make sure that there is the pressure added there for both putting angel inside to be ready to think at the negotiating. keep going actually talk about what might look like for both countries. and i think in a way of pushed by these at non allied countries to actually at which the west as well as the united states in helping achieve that in results. which would be, are they really not alive though, or are they somewhat closer to russia than to the rest of the countries? no, i really think that there is a teeth for both honesty. there is an alignment with the united states in general, normally more to the west bank to russia. and in terms of commerce, for example, in terms of trade,

brazil is way more aligned with the united states than with russia. but both represent an important partnering pointing strategic partners for brazil in terms of geo politics, in general and world politics. so i think that there is more to be looked at in into this a, in the stained dang, just us versus russia situation or china versus a us situation. so what lula proposes is a p initiative land by a brazil and with the chinese involvement, china has so far been fairly reluctant to get involved in any way. so when leverage does lula have to change that because he's going there in march. and he says that he wants to bring up the topic. yes. so will they know he has that? in the re, leis expectation for the legend restriction nowadays is very high. everyone is expected to again bring brazil backing to the international community and really push for these kinds of a peaceful negotiations for those and let particular and he has

a history in terms of negotiating with iran as well. so this is maybe a waking court, giving a change to the administration for himself to try to me is a possibility, like bring this a narrative in his rhetoric, q a, china as he visits china in march and then also to the united states. it comes to meet with biding, now in february and from the center of the atlanta counsel. thanks a lot from dozen sites you ah, are closer to home actually right next door. russia has a staunch ally and belarus mince and moscow have announced a week on training program for officers in charge of their joint military groping in belarus, moscow's troops, and made it ukraine across the bela rosie and border last february. ukraine says the threat of a renewed russian offensive. there is currently low, but they're doing everything they can to make sure it stays that way as are

corresponding max sumner reports somewhere close to the bella rouge and border under the cover of pine trees. ukrainian border guards are forcing their positions and she does not renew for these trenches are designed to protect the lives of the people in the military as well as to provide defense bottleneck obama subordinate of them. so if the enemy attacks from the nearest road, if shoot, our infantry will respond voices that i'm in little you and let us know that i am would empty, couldn't. he won't go into detail about their preparations and won't even confirmed that he's trenches are new. that others, but you can smell sawdust and the board seemed dry and clean. in the distance, we hear trees being felt above it, all their messages russians won't get past them

a 2nd time. with this bridge used to join ukraine and bela bruce. the defenders blew it up to try to stop the 1st rush in advance. now they are looking across the river again. right now, the situation here seems calm, but soldiers here prepared for this to change at any moment. the worries are that the russians could push through here again in the 2nd attempt to take key if with freshly mobilized troops and lessons that they learned from last time. it's places like these that the russians moved through before. the settlement south of the border where the fighting was fierce, appeal had lives changed forever. alexander lived here with his wife and mother and stepfather. he wants to show us the damage to his property. look me. lemeu with a regular citizens were shelled with mortars and emmy. the russian artillery was firing at the farm thumb and our tanks fired back at them. lastly, but the artillery and tank shells didn't hit our house,

but the mortars did book to be mimi. a wall came down on his mother and emilia, when they double philip dilemma. this is where my mother's grave was. miss rica. polly, viv limit lucia alexander, burried her here in his guard. only after the russians retreated, could he move her to a cemetery? and yet, alexander doesn't want to be of was rosure luby. i believe that people have experienced such horror that it is difficult for me to add anything. yeah, you have to live, we want to live open, you go and panic. so there is no sense in panicking like when you where to run could that we have nowhere to run to liberty. we'll see what happens. i shall go live, but i'm most of those who are still here. feel like him. further down the road, yohina runs

a shop at her house was also damaged in the fighting. it's, i don't even know. i don't want to go anywhere. and at the moment we're not able to . it's very scary for children and i'm very worried. every one we met, you can talk about pain and loss, but it seems courage and determination run just as deep. dr. nadia douglas is a political scientist with the center for east european and international studies. miss douglas, welcome to the day. how likely do you think it is that we'll see? bella rose, actively join the war in ukraine? i believe at the present moment, this is quite unlikely, although we see ongoing joint military exercises of bedrooms and russia. now, in the preparation of union shield the next year. and also we have to bear in mind that join the military exercises for a used as

a pretext for the invasion on february 24th. but at the moment, the conditions are much more worse than in february, for an invasion from the north, which doesn't exclude that russia on its own, could launch a new attack for on your plan from betters. can you elaborate on that? what are the conditions? what's different this time around? well in the meanwhile, ukraine has taken pre could precautions. they have mind the entire north of the regions and then also they have blown up bridges. the prepared to marsh's very a very complicated territory for an invasion. and also both a much aware of the fact that the ocean army is not at all

prepared for such and such a large scale invasion. lucas jenko is the biggest ally in the neighborhood and maybe worldwide. how much power does it have over lucas jenko? a firm grip on look of shank guy ever since a 2020. when he secured a shank us for will off the direct election presidential elections. and the better is, has lost a great deal of great sheriff. it's political and economics over and the t, because the kremlin has been trying to plan to strengthen the integration process in the context of the union state and go, doesn't really want to join this conflict, does he?

he's got problems at home. he's seen as an illegitimate leader, not only by the opposition there or the opposition exile. where in this regard in the war that is happening next door, is his red line. and does he, in the conditions that you just explained, have any leverage to stop putting pressuring him to cross it? well, putting will continue to pressure him. look at shanker, but better i look at the regime and the entire country, they would try to avoid active participation in russia's war against ukraine by all means possible. because a majority of the population, an opinion holds the show that are against participation. often there was in this wall, i'm having said, is a pressure and it's not clear

what would be, is a red line if it would not be willing to engage with 14. and if it would become a partner in crime, and it would mean a huge destabilization for as a country and it would, it would put it think its own national identity. how strong is lucas group on power? well look at shanker, by a, by means of moscow's help, has a re consolidated his power. and we could say that domestically he is. his regime is as secure as before, almost before 2020. but we see that the belgian society is as invited as

it has never been before. and the majority of the society is probably against the war. but we can see also again, a national survey is show that the sympathy for russia for the full russian soldiers, for example, this growing, but also at the same time, sympathy for ukraine. and it's still there. so it's, it's difficult to assess the situation. so bella roost is russia strongest partner. but how about russia's other allies in the post soviet wrong? we've seen central asian nations increasingly turn away from food. does that mean that broader support for him is fading in the region? yeah, i would say that looking at past meetings of to see, you know,

the defense, our common defense organization, it shows that the dns are moscow allies. i'm not making him that much anymore. better with a really remains his last and only closest ally, even our i mean, yeah, which is also in security terms. much dependent on russia has, has actually a question a, the rule of the kremlin of russia. but this is again, they have an own conflict on going to care about and much, much disappointed about the direction peacekeeping troops performing on the ground there. that is also another reason for them. yeah. questioning the status

of their eye. doctor, not yet douglas center for east european and international studies and thank you so much for your time today. thank you. and i look under lucas angle was ruled belarus with an iron grip for almost 3 decades. the last election was held in 2020 and it was followed by mass protest over the results. the descent was soon crushed, leading to thousands of fellow rosie and flame the country. many of them ended up in neighboring ukraine where they now have to contend with russia for the w sonya on the car. and is this report from keith i glory to you, create long lives, better lose dissidence and even fight to the you created the all me commemorate federal ban russians who have died fighting for keith organizers. see, it's the 1st rally bell russian exiles in ukraine. since russia's invasion,

just months earlier, a less me now had fled to ukraine to avoid prison for his activism. he said a warm welcome don't, frosty after moscow used bella, russian territory to launch its invasion as rosamille it along along the attitude has changed all, but i get it. i will push lossless speckle. the ukrainian security service came to my place. i got to check the apartment my phone little and we had a talk phone, but it was politely monkwood and bella luce and people come and masks and with weapons, and that's the end they or moscow, m g as boy officer. sure. unless says he can walk freely, but he's working alone and on a shoestring, he says feels the bellows might again help russia attack. make people ho wary of him. it's a feeling familiar to irina another young bell, russian who fled to ukraine. they bought miss home,

but starting to feel settled here with some younger chuckle, winnie me at the beginning of the war. i was really scared, especially because of my last name, which is lucas shanker national health was was, i was scared to even say it or to show my documents, to say that i'm from bella. ruth luther was back again. i don't know what's worse when there's a war and missiles can rain down on you, or someone can come to your home at any moment and send you to jail. to walk. elena says she's applied for asylum and ukraine. but as a bell, russian still can't open the bank account. so here she's volunteering for the war effort and is determined to stay in the highest. i'm inspired by ukraine, how they're organizing, how they're volunteering, how they're working together. i would love to see the same thing and bella bruce also offer, popping at the rally. i. this is even as a reporter, he has to take

a stance. he and i were to latisha there below. when i came here, i asked myself, should i take the belushi and flag with me? store the novel? i decided yes. okay. and your book done yet, this journalistic ethics don't allow it to live in tell. but on the other hand, brush, it's a time when even journalists should take a position. so to that is the show which side there on. so was out of the keep touch so that this is our common war against our common enemy. it's who at the support there are elaborate and so principal novato ha, ah. and finally, pope francis is on his 1st paypal visit to the democratic republic of the congo. thousands of people lying the streets of the capital kinshasa to welcome the head of the catholic church. in a speech later, the pope denounced when he called the poison, agreed fueling african conflicts. you also told rich nations to get their hands off africa a last our time, but make sure to stay in touch. our team on twitter at the wayne is and myself at

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