ah, and with that now you're up to date, i need of you need some forgotten. so it's mind website d, w dot com. you can also follow us on social media at, at the news. i'm at sarah calling tv. thank you so much for your company. i think some of the worst violence in years is broken out between israelis and palestinians at its height last week, a palestinian attack outside the synagogue left 7 people dead and provoked widespread condemnation including from the arab world a day earlier, israeli forces had rated the janine refugee camp and the occupied west bank 10 people died. most of them reported to be government on a visit to israel,

us secretary of state antony, blinking, cold on both sides to calm tensions and set a 2 state solution was the only way to end but conflict. my guess this week is the head of the palestinian mission to the u. k. or some som lot. does he believe that's possible? we see no approach to achieve that. but does the palestinian leadership have the authority among its own people to negotiate with israel and unite the different factions? why the never ending allegations of brutality and corruption and its ranks? isn't it time for a new leader who cannot the trust of his people and the outside world for some dobler? welcome to complete zone. thank you. where is all this violence leading? all this violence is absolutely leading to one fact that until a new palestinian generation is born free of occupation colonization on the part time. and no matter how more is there any possibility?

we'll be more brutality, more pressure, no matter international complicity. nothing will change until that is achieved. what can stop it this violent killing? now this current phase of violence, what can stop one of the main reasons why people are losing their lives because for many years we have been talking about 2 sides as him. for many years, we have been talking about negotiations and peace processes. for many years, we have drawn the wrong parallels between the occupied and occupier of the colonized on the colonizer. for many years we receive you us secretary of states and presidents mediators without addressing the real issues for money as we are hearing the statements that the us and europe and the u. k. as with the 2 state solution. now the secretary blinking calls for equal measures of freedom of opportunity, of dignity and securities. if you're calling for the new state solutions, then he has what is your response to that?

without any approach, we see no approach to achieve that. where's your friends you? where's your usually that when you're a punch or some kind of get an honest opinion, people have been subjected to a 100 years since the bank for a declaration, promising our land without consulting us. until today we are living on our land. we are resilient and resisting all the legalities and we are growing. we have our universities and professors and poems. and where are we? we have would stood all the pressure and we of that to defend our rights and our rights. now, our enshrined and international consensus from the time of the beginning of zionism when started to say that there are, there is no such thing as palestinian people to today were you have in the united edition, the tag of the state of palestine like we have gone back with the president, then we will have back process president, mr. zum land, the palestinian attack last friday, outside the synagogue on the outskirts of jerusalem. promote outrage around the world, including including among many countries in the past,

the palestinian authority is condemned attacks on and on civilians. why not this? let's talk about that. why not this time? let's talk about that. ok. every human loss is a tragedy, and you know very well and throw the earth that our strategy has been a non violent, popular resistance reverting to international traditional system and international institutions. the saw strategy. but let's talk about so what are you saying that it's out of control the violent let's talk about the annual side is out of control . let's, let's talk about that. no. the, the sole responsibility of that incident that you talk about is on israel's government. the well doesn't say that this is on the that's to say the word, i don't see that. so that's why i accept your invitation to come and to tell the world the truth as it is. the truth is, is really government since illegally. it's a war crime, it's citizens to illegal saturn mass. now they are cool. is an illegal settlement in the occupied east? jerusalem, the former responsibility of what happened lives squarely on the government. but

since these civilians to commit acts of war crimes and illegal, okay, you can say you do not say and why you keep saying it's their responsibility for the last 10 months that been plenty of warnings of out of worsening security issues . and sure, okay, can i, can i get with, can i finish the question by november the un set the conflict was reaching boiling point. did no one take any notice how hard did the palestinian authority try to stop this particular phase of via the ha ha, the heart of this. what did they do until they do one major thing is to be so religious about international law is to be so principal about international law and the use of international legal system. we voted this to the international criminal court because we want to establish accountability. and we only last month asked for an advisory opinion of the international court of justice. that's the highest international legal system to create account realty,

because it is the lack of accountability that has gotten us to where we are today with this most far right. fanatics of government in his own guess what them and this is the real discussion who blocks us from going to these international tradition organs. it's the united states vote against us. it's the united you. when you have a way you went and you, when you went any way, we'll keep our anyway. but you know what? international rules and lou is distant when it comes and applied to your friend. and there is the west where it has been feeling for all these years. when it comes to ezra and, and compare that to ukraine, by the way, when it comes to israel, israel is always shielded by the west, shielded by the u. s. and the okay from our list is the only accountability. this is the hot exam lot. there haven't been any meaningful peace talks for almost 10 years. how do you emerge from this un ending cycle of blame and violence? jewish israelis think they are the exclusive victims in this conflict. palestinians

say they're the victims. you're a diplomat. how can you help move the discussion on from this point me principal, by a stop wasting time by really addressing the real suffering of the people. our people has been under aggression for a 100 years started in this i don't, i concrete term. a new president mahmoud abbas said last year. he had no choice but to deal with benjamin netanyahu. is that still the case? and if so, what kind of dealings is he going to have with mr. newton? yeah, or talk concrete contract can get mr. nathan here who will not deal with us. we have no partner in this early site, mr. nathan, yahoo, that's what he says and, and that's what he does also, mister nathan, you know, has formed the government. the 1st sentence of the agreement of the coalition only few weeks ago is that this government will commit to the land of israel from whatever for the sea, and the will accelerate the colonization occupied westbank. here you have it right in front of everybody hitting you in the face of the whole world. there's government does not all the not commit to the 2 state solution,

but will actively seek to destroy it to dismantle a water netanyahu. is that right? you dismissed him a long time ago. in the past you said he was someone who was very extreme in every sense. he said you are, you have a dream. and that dream is that we palestinians vanished and simply ceased to exist . this is what you say about my son. so you are, you know, we're not going to have any contacts with us. miss. you aren't going to try out this this, this, this, this person, this man one, the 1st election in 1997, just few months after i've been was assassinated. mine is a new and this person one on the ticket that he will detail the awful piece process, the really the whole 2 steps solution. and he brags about that, and he is so happy saying every morning and every evening that he has devastated the international consensus about the toaster solutions. so deal with home on what grounds on what grounds. this is exactly how we started this discussion. we need to focus on the real issues,

and the real issues is the lack of accountability that will bring and different leaders. and there's, or there's really people feel a sense of impunity and no consequences, no cost associated with all these illegalities. and therefore, and therefore they will use all grossing these fanatics like been via and smoking was i'm not to the americans. the real deal is the 2 state solution. no question. moving forward on that. absolutely not in your eyes. of course, this is our, our, our platform since 1988. we have fully recognized the 2 state solution allied our since completely with international resolutions and new even recognize the state of israel on the 1960 people, your people aren't supporting it any last week. palestinian center for policy and research showed 2 thirds of palestinians are against it. as well as 53 percent of israelis haven't got to charge. but they're not against us because they don't want to see the military occupation ending that because 967. thank finish. well,

what i'll do another guess is because they don't want the freedom and independence and liberty and that authority with each of them as the capital of punish that. not against this because they don't want to see refugees return to their properties and homes that are against it because they believe it's not possible. they are against it now because it's a protest vote to say that we see no international action in this direction. we soon we see no, is there any constituency pushing in that direction? and why should we endorser, of course, the reaction to palestinians, ordinary palestinians, even listen and the more to to you to the leaders. in fact, the new militant groups in the west bank no longer listen to the authority. the novelist brigade, the to best brigade, the lines that they're all outside your control. when people are people, they follow their guts. and you know, if you come we are we this of the palestinian side has been the only side committed to the also provisions for

a long time. actually it has to overstate its will come our commitment for a long time until only last week. you just security actually again, many times you've done the security code division was meant to stop illegal. it is, was meant to stop the invasions and the raids was meant to provide, provide protection, talk to our people, security coordination is meant to back role occupation, security, coordination was meant to be a corner stone and building our st. it that is no longer holding. and that's why it stopped and it can only resume or be resume once it is part of liberation. not part of continuing the starter school as it has been using it and not only and the security sphere. in every sphere, these really mentality must change the palestinian national institutions or to achieve our national rights either to be subjected and unsolved to the palestinian people. they need to understand that, let's talk about the palestinian national institutions hasn't,

hasn't the palestinian authority itself become responsible for holding back progress last year that tony blair institute for global change want of what it called a deepening crisis in palestinian politics and a breakdown of the palestinian leadership that's lead the posting cause and it standing to go backwards. that's right, isn't it? the blue institute conceal whatever it's once they're not the only way they can say whatever they want. we have national institutions. we have the palestine liberation organization, the fighter presently in london. my office is the p. a law representative officer. then i have to take them. i headed the p. a law office in washington, the world recognize the palestine liberation organization. as the umbrella organization, we have all the palestinian political factions represented in that umbrella organization except hamas. there is a process of dialogue right now to include every one. but the p. a law remains to be the representative of the palestinian people. there is an internal elections and

that we need to improve it. that is a huge room of improvement. we are locked saints and under the most adverse circumstances, no one should expect us to act like st. yet we need to deliver some sort of institutional setting and democracy that our people deserve and seek. you're talking about getting democracy. they haven't been election since 2006 and 74 percent of your p. want muffled a bus to go over your population. that most of your population hasn't even had the chance to vote to toll the palestinian authority is too scared to test itself and with election. so it's not through the parcel authority. again, it's the p a law that runs the shore. the palestinian authority is an organ is a, is an offshoot of the po, yet we are, we have been one of the few in the region to conduct elections as you very well. remember we can, we conducted elections in 20052006. and when the results came out, it was here, london, and berlin and washington who actually completely boycotted the results and sent

shock waves in our system and our ability to conduct our governance. we have issues . we want to convene elections by the way, the source of all of the messy husband elections, even yasser arafat. lithia, harper, who knew that he was the father of the nation, had to get the approval of his people and offered himself for elections in 1096. but we have issues, we cannot and will not convene elections according to that is really the definition of elections. elections should start in the occupied his johnson and we are free about your definition. we have a 17 month with us is 17 years a president, our best was elected by his people president, our bass was a founder of the national liberation movement. fatter, a fatter according to all bonds still is in the leading of the palestinian a political popularity. if you me, president, our boss is the head of the p, a law president, our best is not just the church though,

the president of the pension authority, it's very important to make that distinction. he has that capacity the legitimacy of all these institutions yet. yes, we need to offer the palestinian people the ability to convene elections and we need to for time when we need to sort out as was v to over is jocilan. we have 300000 palestinian jewels filaments. they have the absolute right to actually vote the cost of the vote and decide who the president and who the parliament is. but also we will not allow is especially in light of prompts it legality, overcoat, magazine. listen, we will not allow it to pocket jewels, and should we not convene elections in jerusalem? and we need to make sure that garza the 2000000 besieged and gaza are fully included in that. and hopefully the answer to you and it must happen yesterday. so there is a process of julia isn't, will egypt of course, as a major player. but you are absolutely right. elections is over to you and we must convenient. how does i'm not sure i will form

a top p l o leader said recently of the palestinian authority, the week of the system, the more it closes in on itself. and the more oppressive it becomes, the future could be peaceful. she said that the longer it takes to see real change, the more probable violence becomes if you don't allow for peaceful democratic ways of transferring power, people will find other means to express themselves. that's a warning from a very senior and very much respected official pillow. she is. she'll young taking any notes and you leave with a fresh political monday would change the situation. people that she is and that there's your 100 isn't she is she was on the executive committee of the highest funds to the political structure. that is the piano and miss tells you we ought to visit society is the freedom of expression, the different views. actually there are too much different views and people express that abuse, which is welcome. but 1 point, one point there are some. hannah is very genuine, wanting to make sure that our situations of democrats and we will live up to that.

but there are some people who are misusing this to say the palestinians and brought it upon themselves that because they are not united because they are mismanaged occupations. and is continuing to and the oppression is continually, i'm sorry, we are united as a people from us as the people where the people who we are united, we have political differences between political actions, sat there, sees deliberation strategy in a different way. hammer sees it in a completely opposite way. we are now engaging, but the people of palestine are united and i keep getting engaging ideas. i'm getting to know by a 100 examples of the people's unity from 2021 and this year. and what happened and the whole palestinian nation insight israel itself in the occupied territories in garza outside uniting in one voice and the same thing repeated since last week. when i read to janine, we are united people. how many times have i heard this and how many times? is it proven to be untrue?

i want to pick you up on something you said earlier. you talked about freedom of speech despite years of promising to improve your human rights records of violations continue. there is no political will to changes there, take torture, the un committee against torture said last august, it was concerned about consistent reports consistent with persons in custody and both the west bank and gaza, subject to torture neil treatment. you ashamed of that? well, nobody should be subjected to torture, and we as a nation, are you ashamed? and we as a nation under oppression for all this years should behave in a certain manner that respect human rights. but you are one by one. again, we operate under a very adverse circumstances. some people want us to behave in a certain manner and we shouldn't. but we need to remember, we need to remember democracy is incomplete under the boots of a military occupation because they decide if you are on elections in this. and if you do, then they will arrest those who are running the elections. and if they don't,

that is then before they win, or before they're on the us, them off the so you telling me these ratings are responsible for you torturing your own people. and i'm telling you the situation over all cannot be measured or judge according to a standard that you apply on a normal situation. people should never be tortured anywhere, including in palestine that's, that's completely shifted. but i want to revisit the whole idea of this whole palestinian behavior because there is a school of thought that wants to link or a birthright as in the right of self determination or behavior. no, sir, i want to say we should be here, but should we misbehave? we don't close our rights. we want you liked a during just artifact that fat to hand hammers and everybody else on a fire was you know, the father of the nation. you. so what these are you, can we stay with us? can we stay with the press? did we will because the present is, is bad enough of course, but the past was about, did we achieve our rights? did we conclude the peace process when we are united?

so this whole unit to thing is an internal palestinian matter that we need to sort it for our own priorities. it has nothing to do with our rights or the engagement with israelis or the international community. why do you keep promising year after year to do something about human rights and then nothing happens. of particular concern has been the case of the civic activist visit, but not who died in detention in 2021 after the arrested and apparently beaten and severely tortured by your hebron preventative security forces. why no accountability for that death, and why do the 13 people who were put on trial allow that on a 9 day holiday last year from detention one sort of, i was sort of a found the, i don't know where you get to what sort of revise what i don't know where you get your formation from that incident was absolutely regulator window rejected by the palestinian people. and there was, it happened, it happened and it was wrong that had happened. so that's why i got way off again, of course, of course, but then at least we got the all these officers to

a court and they were invited all of them accountability happen. but the question i want to be asked is how many it was really settlers about the palestinians? although that was one incident, one guy lost his life regrettably, how many palestinians lost their lives over the last year or the last few years. 230 only in 21. it to the highest says the on begun records in palestine. $35.00 says last month, only january 2023. some of them are banned by israeli civilians who are very armed . how many israel have brought to justice? did they bring to justice? the people who burned atman though upshar the you know that the person who shot 20 and i and washers, and, and colleen and hero and the ninety's 1993 battle. goldstein is now worshipped in israel. more than $10000.00 visit him. you see there is a lot of focus on sporadic isolated events in palestine, but there is

a lack of focus on the systematic, chronic lack of accountability, lack of democracy, that the presence of apartheid. if you are, if i you were a little discussion because there's other, if you weren't israeli officials sitting there, i would be asking you these questions. but i'm asking you about what the palestinians do because you are representing i am of that, which i understand you should do more answer. answer me this question. how hard is it to champion the cause of the palestinians around the world these days? it's, it's, it's, it's very inspiring. i feel so privileged. it is the owner of my life and i am so inspired. whatever i go, are you, lizzie, hopefully you will make progress. come to you. my heart is full of hope. a few see what they see. every day i leave you here and they go to the london school of economics where there are 3 major universities convening a talk for palestine. the london school, the u. c. l and kings come and see the students come and see the generations of the future. i'm sure you've seen what happened to london in 2021 on israel attacked

alexa and the shifter a hand in gaza. there were, there were, there were tens of thousands. i did not expect to see that a roar of people, people are people everywhere. more than 50 years of occupation, do you think you live to see a 2 state solution? what antony, blinking an independent palestinian state, living side by side with israel, do you think you'll live to see that? oh yeah. oh yes. how, how. how will that the, the sport that the trajectory of things are absolutely in our side, when israel was established primarily its beginning with this country, there was not even the cognition of our existence in the band for declaration. 67 words. it says that a spic thing, the religious and civil minorities rights of the minorities. we were 3rd by balfour and the british authorities at the time, minorities with only 7 and religious rights. we have no national rights. my do think things are going your a huge number, the dying for their cause and their diagnosis. okay. no, no, no,

that's not ok that dying because that is a military occupation that the shooting them and killing them. and you and i need to discuss how we studied on every once you talk on killing of it. but they are the ones that begun. we would not recognize as a nation. look up us, you are talking to the policy number so that the u. k. that came after a 100 years of a generation after generation of resistance, our resilience and the revolution. and yes, our father, all the generation that brought us here to discuss them. and also about the narrative when it began, as one was the beacon of democracy for the was every one of your generation has taken part in our keyboards of israel. israel was celebrated everywhere to day is astonished in the international media. it's tarnished and the new generations apiece abuse accords with the arabs. yes, you've seen cut cut out on how the world expressed their actual genuine absolute support and siding with the palestinian people and the rights governments can do with that. they could them the attack on the synagogue and condemned the attack on

the so i'm talking about the people what, what do we make, the arabs, what, what the other people have shown it during the world cup is a, is, is an example of word the region is now there are some transaction and politics here and that we have expressed our opinion that these accords did not serve the cause of peace. it broke away from dana consensus that normalization should be an incentive and an outcome for peace, not an entry for it. and what we want from has happened because since the signing of these are chords, things have become more horrific and more horrible. doubling of the settlement activities, all that happened in the last 2 years on the record, the highest number of palestinian could also examine didn't tell us observer. thank you very much both time. thanks for being a complex. you're most welcome. ah .

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