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ah, ah, after stops in london in paris on wednesday, ukraine's president zalinski stopped in brussels to day. his message. we want to join the european union and we need more weapons where he may need even more eel on mosques, company space. eggs is now restricting use of its star link satellite service to ukraine's military. saying that star link was never meant to be weaponized. i'll starling has been a life saver for ukraine's military without it. how can ukraine defend itself against russia? i'm break off in berlin. this is the day. ah, the devali minute long and pacing your will be established only when ukraine wins and becomes a member of the you and nato. you'll fight as
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a fight for independence for democracy, for free europe. news you have the coming weeks and months will probably be decisive. this which will hit and i'd be grateful to hear from the european state so willing to provide us with the necessary weapons including wall plains and the key we all had the urgency of he'll call to support ukraine. now. today, a free europe cannot be imagined to now to free ukraine grade. also coming up the united states views, china as the only rival with the intent and means to reshape the international order. washington's latest proof, the balloons irresponsible act put on full display. what we've long recognized at the p r c has become more repressive at home and more aggressive abroad with you, our viewers watching on p
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b. s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the ukrainian military's wish list for the west, a list that may have gotten a little bit longer. for months you grades president has sent request after requested his western allies for heavy weapons and his persistence appears to be paying off the u. s in europe have agreed to send babel takes to you. great. and now president zalinski is pushing for fighter jets on wednesday he spoke to you k lawmakers in london thinking them in advance for shipments. a fighter planes that no country has approved yet. in fact, german chancellor o sholtes has already ruled out sending any planes to you crate that said, germany, you turn on sending battle tanks shows that positions and policies they can be changed. so today president zalinski, he took his request to brussels into the european union, and this is part of what he heard. the delivery of military capability is not a decision taken at each level of the institutions, but
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a sovereign decision of the member states. of course, there's a strong coordination, but, and if you have seen the living proof of delivery of military capabilities, but everything else is done and coordinated at the european level. if actually that if they can, that is i'm very grateful to hear from the european states. what, who are willing to provide us with the necessary weapons latonya, including all kinds of hiena nif, he'd not ruined don't. which now i will have a series of bilateral meetings. yeah. but well, we will pay the necessary attention to the combat ideation memory where the i see. so we're now continuing all work here in brussels tomorrow. production massage us honorable to thought, but it said yeah, now to president zalinski wishlist for his military that may suddenly be longer babbled. tanks. fighter jets and now perhaps also internet in communication satellites. on wednesday, elan mosques,
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company space ex said that it is curbing use of its star leak satellite communications service by the ukrainian military, apparently ukraine's use of star link to guide drone attacks against russian forces is a no go. the question is, why now? space x sent thousands of starling terminals to ukraine last year to provide internet communication. now the company is saying that star link was never meant to be weaponized and it's taken steps to limit its use with drones. star link relies on a network of satellites and low orbit around the earth to provide wireless communication with the ukrainian government and keep, has condemned the decision by space executing the company of ignoring ukraine's right to self defense. for more now i'm joined from her keep in ukraine by demco diluted pink ho he's founder of the ukrainian military charity. z goes paul, which supplies drones and other high tech equipment to the ukrainian military demco
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. it's good to have you with us tonight. i want to pull up something that your organization posted on twitter earlier today is our photos showing starling terminals and charging stations delivered to ukrainian soldiers. and you tweeted that the equipment was well received by the boys. me ask you, will the soldiers, will they be able to use this equipment the way they want to now that space x has announced plans to limit and maybe even block access or a drill to the year. and i'm actually under mission to lever someone is telling me story from mines in donuts region now, and i'm just have an overnight stop here in. hark, if so tomorrow i'll be down range and i'll be charming. and they will be able to work correctly as intended as supposed to be as it was before. given that the statement by the basics, the president,
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it was only referring to putting strong links to unmanned aerial vehicles, to do my own starting into down to control of those drones from styling haven't shown like as a communication quality control plane. but it has nothing to do with all of the other use cases such as communication, such as streaming the data from the drone, like live streams, et cetera. so they have no problem with that, i suppose. well, i mean, what have you heard? you heard any reaction from soldiers? because it is true what you're saying. they'll still be able to use star link for communications. but starling has said explicitly this. the technology cannot be used to launch any attacks against another power against russia. so that means they can't use our link to coordinate their drones for any type of offensive act against
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russia. so i think is a few important things to highlight here. we just got to start with ukraine as defined in itself, and according to any international law, ukraine is free to strike any target in ukraine for the purposes of defending our country. so you can only use a stomach in defense purposes, whatever that action would be. it would be in defense purposes and who is a real aggressor a year as only russia who is a fresh with roger troops were, would be over. but what do you really do the president of state x as they are ok with, haven't ukrainian, military used to be a great a piece of technology for communication and actually the communication as
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a massive as really enormous amount of use cases and also ukrainian or since most of the communication methods that you would normally work are either destroyed or the janet ready, electronical worker or just being disabled by rushing electronical worker. what do you make the, what do you make that what this decision from space ex, regarding star lee can be, it seems to have basically come out of out of nowhere and the ukrainian military. they've been using star league now. you know, in this world, you know, almost a year into this more and now suddenly this, this announcement, i wouldn't say it is sudden announcement. so i think the struggling, they play russian propaganda card on the whole world. and this is actually isn't, this isn't the 1st case. i'm tasked with the interview does not
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make us commented over some of the basics actions. it was a very huge in october. i think when you lost that he's not into fund installing for ukraine because this is so expensive, et cetera, which was not the case at the time. and, and i think this exact case is very related to what russian had of russian delegation to united nations sat on the 31st of january this year. and he, i think like, reach to whole world, it's very unfair to give that turn satellite capability is to ukraine, to its defense. he says it's unfair that your brain is able to defend itself, but in his mind is absolutely fire. to launch an offensive and ukraine kill our
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people, ray, r a c, d, 's, et cetera. let me ask you this. so do you trust the line much? do you trust space? actually, this is this change. it does not help the ukrainian military. absolutely. it wouldn't be of any help, but so far they are covered in a very specific use case. and as long as they are not tackling the main communication, cham channels for stormy, it's not that bad, but obviously the company. so they made a lot of public statements that are literally russian propaganda and ill and lost a long history of being re much affiliated with exactly russian propaganda. that wouldn't say that i trust him or the company itself. but at the same time, the technology is crucial. but in our case,
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i think that it would be painful, very painful to lose it. but you radians would figure everything out anyway with or without struggling ukraine is determined to win and this is the ops them co slip. thank o. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us in helping us understand to the, the impact of this decision on the military. and you, great, thank you. thank you. as president boynton says, that the shooting down of age suspected chinese spy balloon has not showered relations between the 2 countries. the pentagon says that the balloon was part of a large surveillance program that china has been conducting for several years affecting countries across 5 continents. china says the craft was just a weather balloon. these are the soggy remains of what is alleged to be a powerful chinese spine. craft u. s. defense teams here pulling the remnants from the sea off the south carolina
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coast for further inspection. and the pentagon doesn't believe this balloon was an isolated incident. us and nato officials have meet to discuss what comes next. china engaged in this irresponsible action, a violation of our, our sovereignty and turtle integrity and international law. and as we noted as well, we're not alone in this countries across 5 continents have also had surveillance balloons over fi other territory, which is why we're sharing this information with others. we're also seeing increased chinese intelligence activities in europe or again, different platforms. hm. um they use a sub lord so they, they, they cyber analysis in order not to say it's also balloons. the
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discovery of the balloon and its subsequent shooting down have worse, and washington's already teens relations with china. the u. s. has briefed 40 countries on the situation with a stray li, a responding by pulling chinese made security cameras from some government buildings like this war memorial to ensure that they are completely secure in china and system, the balloon was simply monitoring the we event, the full veering off course, it is unacceptable for the us to attack china. vivian is ships, and it is irresponsible. sensationalizing, the so called china threat doesn't help improve bilateral dressing, nor does it make the us more secure. as the united states mops up from the balloon fall out. president joe biden is stressing relations between the 2 countries. have not taken a hit amid growing global tensions. the white house seemingly still hopeful of
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salvaging ties with beijing, japan and the philippines have agreed on a sharp and boost to their defense ties. the deal will start by allowing japanese troops to join training exercises to respond to natural disasters and other humanitarian emergencies in the philippines. it follows an agreement allowing the united states more access to philippine military basis to help keep chinese territorial ambitions in check. now the deal was signed in tokyo between japanese prime minister for me. ok sheeta, and the visiting filipino president ferdinand marcos. junior, they will aim to expand the transfer of defense equipment and technology to the philippines and to strengthen trilateral cooperation with the united states. i want to tie that development in with the balloon story now to do that, i'm joined by or you on a skylar master louis security policy analyst and fellow at stanford university in
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california. she's also with the american enterprise institute is good to have you with this. my 1st question about about the balloons. the u. s. state department says now says that china operates a fleet of the spy balloons. and that they've been hovering over 5 continents. how is it that this operation apparently went unnoticed until now? well, i think we can generally state that there are a lot of things that are going on in international relations, in particular, in the military realm between countries like china in the united states. that is not available for public consumption, and these are very sensitive programs, surveillance, and reconnaissance of other countries is not something that is openly revealed by a country like china and form various reasons. the united states probably to try to counter some of these capabilities. also not to cause diplomatic incidence. doesn't reveal them to the public either. and so for those reasons, it's very likely that these 2 countries are engage in this type of behavior behind the scenes. do you think we would not even be having this conversation had the
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balloon not a been seen over montana west? we no by people. i can only speculate, but i think that is right. there is definitely a public discourse aspect of this. the people who work on us china relations are used to this idea of competition between the 2 sides. the fact that the chinese military has been preparing actively to fight a war against united states for 25 years. none of this is shocking to people who look at this every day. but of course, the injection of public discourse into this that the american public are realizing in a more visual fashion, that china could potentially be a threat, definitely impacts what the us government's going to do it. and um, but what's your reaction or leadership asked you how surprised, or you of a by the level of prominence, attention that's been given to this balloon? i mean, if we think about other chinese factors in the worst, you know, tick tock, for example, you know,
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tick tock is on the phone of practically every young person in the united states. but you don't see the same outrage over that, but you're seeing over this balloon. oh, absolutely. this is exactly the point. i was quite surprised that it has become such a media sensation. i'm working on as a book right now about how china competes. and i can go for hundreds and hundreds of pages, and i do about the various ways that china's not only challenging the security of the united states and its allies. but the international system as a whole, is really quite, quite striking. how many of these stories go under reported, for example, the amount of police forces around the world that the chinese train. this is something that's impacting the security of countries around the world. and in addition to the fact that it gives china some influence, but these aren't things that we have statistics on or that's widely reported because it's not in the public eye. it, we understand that the united states used a you to spy plane to get a closer look at this balloon before the blue shot down is the use of
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balloons as you to planes, anachronistic. given the, the high tech that is available now in the 21st century, there are upsides and downsides to every type of platform. every technology. for example, i remember 1st learning about north korean, i capabilities and that they still have some aircraft. they're made out of wood, of course, these are very small and they can't maneuver, but they also don't show up on radar, right? so when you have the technological advances, it also means that certain types of capabilities are more easily tracked, monitored, and targeted. and also there's less deniability, obviously we know this is a surveillance craft of, but china can continue to say it's a weather balloon. there would be very hard to say about a very obvious military platform intercepts before we run out of time to the spot balloon story. it's a birds just as the u. s. is forging stronger tides security,
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tides across asia, the asia pacific region. how does today's deal between the philippines and japan out is that tied into this i think was very interesting as china's response to this whole scenario. we're looking at a china that's respond in like they did 20 years ago as if none of us really understand that they prefer deniability that they like to spin propaganda. no one believes this is a weather balloon, but it really highlights the fact that china continues to blame the deterioration of their security environment. an outside factors that have not taken a look at their own behavior and their own policies as they continue to do so. they're likely to do things that other countries find threatening and push them closer and closer together and with united states. oriano skylar master with stanford university in california and with the american enterprise institute. we appreciate your time valuable insights to night. the fascinating story, thank you. thank you for having me. ah,
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the earthquake that struck to kia and cynthia is one of the biggest natural disasters in old times. now is the time to explore all possible avenues to get ave and personnel into all affected areas. we must put people 1st. the earthquakes in turkey and syria, they have led to the collapse of thousands of buildings in gauzy and tip one of 10 turkish cities impacted more than 900 of the 6400 buildings in that city were destroyed in the quick authority say that the quakes damaged countless, more buildings leaving hundreds of thousands of people homeless in the middle of winter. turkey officially does have building codes to deal with earthquakes, but the extent of damage from these quakes has raised questions about how well those standards had been enforced of more now i'm joined by doctor
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kits. me a moto, the global ceo of mia moto international. currently in istanbul, turkey, it's good to have you on the program, you yourself, you're a structural engineer. you described yourself as a disaster, risk reduction and response expert. so let me put it to you. what should be the 1st priority right now on the ground in turkey, and in northern siri, they didn't arrive thank such and rescue. i mean, that's it. i know research tell it's tells us that 1st 10 minutes, that's why most people actually die by the way, by there are also left a week's used to going to find people to so it's a search and rescue the most important criteria right now. the save lives, that's where is that. and we are looking at just a vast amounts of, of damage. i mean, as far as i can see, i mean, how long are you expecting rescuers then to to be able to pull out people alive. well usually the sorceress don't be afraid to laugh some will be doing to 3 to 4
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weeks, but also the search and rescue do not stop to actually at the last bodies counted, you know, that's what they tried to do and that those people actually to put their lives at the risk because it's a real fragile state or that you can see deb reason building, leaning toward it. and i keep moving as aftershocks throughout. so they're actually the, they are definitely doing the best they can to get to the people. i think some of the most disturbing images are all of these buildings that we're seeing is countless multi story buildings that have basically just yeah, just collapse straight down like a stack of pancakes. how is it possible then for people to survive, that type of cataclysmic collapse? well, i mean, i met this lady, she the hotel owner in
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a haiti back in 2010. she was buried underneath the 17 story hotel building. and she, her baby died, the c survive through for about almost 7 days or so, and the risk due to reach to her miracles. so there's the, at the always like a gap happened some cases. and that back to you, miracle, by the way, by doubt happen. so we just kind of give up, right. and there are these air pockets. and what i mean, i guess there's only a certain amount of oxygen that's in these pockets. and then it's really depends on how many people are in that pocket to need that oxygen. right? and then it's a while, it's a battle against the clock, right? whether they never air coming out because there's enough gaps in their breeze and stuff like that. so it's not concealed or anything like that, but the problem is like no water obviously. and if that injured, it's obviously that can be hard and, and also cold weather right now. so that makes extremely risky condition, you know,
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it's a bad condition, but i think they do the best they can the right now for i can see, but you know, the mason about buildings, turkish building code change in 1997. so that's the 5 make code here. so if you see damaged, how do you see the distinctly differs the order building up for the new one? so that sort of thing happened. do you see anything that tells you that the building codes, particularly since 999, that the building codes have not been enforced? do you see buildings that collapse completely that should not have collapsed? well, of course, you know, i mean obviously building code is good as a how the contractors in the labor, you know, mason, labor state, they implement, you know, on the field. so you can have a best engineer in the whole world. life for the conference. i don't do the right
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job still down. so therefore the inspection report control and things like that. it's really critical. i think that probably department, you know, it's definitely in a whole, the many, many possible world dr. kit to be a motel. the global see of me motel international. joining us tonight from istanbul, turkey, doctor motor, we appreciate your time valuable insights to unfortunately we meet on said john, terrible circumstances, but the insight is valuable. thank you. yeah, thanks so much pressure. but the day's almost done, the conversation continues online, you'll find us on twitter either. at the w news you can fall would be on twitter at brit. gov tv and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody
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the end of a superpower. the collapse of the soviet union rushes more in ukraine. one year since the vision began, we take a look back and into the future. in the new millennium. slowly, in february on d, w. the relationship between the u. s. and china has always been characterized by mistrust . the world's 2 largest economies view each other as rivals and their latest dispute was ignited by a white balloon that china flew over you west territory. the u. s. government says that it's air force shot down a spy balloon that american media describes.
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