for tomorrow's journalism. save the date and join us for this discussion. at the 16th edition of d, w. c global media forum. ah ah . ah, i'm jared read. welcome to the program. global meet leaders are meeting here in germany for a 2nd day of talks at the bean security conference. this is widely considered the world's most important international defense event. shortly we'll be bringing you live coverage from munich with analysis here in the studio from dw security correspondent, thomas barrow. thomas, welcome,

great to have you here in the studio with me now, rushes invasion of ukraine is a key focus of this year's m. s. c. with leaders urging more support for keith to day sees, talked by political leaders from the west, the u. k. nato and germany earlier european commission, president of the van de lion and finland prime minister santa moraine took center stage. we're waiting to take you now to a panel featuring finland's president, a president of moldova, to denmark's prime minister and nato secretary general. yes. of course, after that, we're going to take you to see vice president of the united states, carmella harris. she'll be speaking with the chair of the munich security conference. christ of course, get re village and as we wait to take you there, i'm going to speak now with thomas barry, d, w. security correspondent, thomas. some big panels coming up. what are you expecting to hear from them?

there's a lot to discuss today. there's no doubt about that is 1st panel that we're now waiting for is about european security beyond the nato alliance. or it will be interesting to see what that european security beyond the alliance would look like . in other words, what ideas are being discussed to include countries that are not necessarily members of nato just yet. so that one key element today, nato, in fact, is a big focus of discussions today in munich. we heard earlier, for example, from the finish leaders, animal in talking about her bid for accession to nato, alongside sweden. and they would still like to enter the alliance together. despite the fact that there has been a discussion about possibly fin and joining 1st sweden, late as a one key element, certainly nato. the other element, the trans atlantic relation that will be something very important when we hear from you as vice president, pamela harris. discussing how she views the relationship with europe. but not only

that, how she views also the relationship with other countries. that if you, for example, the war in ukraine, in a very different way compared to how the u. s. or the european union you the were in ukraine, thomas as, as we wait to take you and of you as to the music security conference on this panel featuring the, the secretary general of nitrogen st. oldenburg. of course that's a big topic, but remind us a sweden and finland want to join nicer together. but turkey has some objections. could you remind us a bit of what these objections are? the main objection coming from turkey has to do with the kurdish question in particular with kurdish opposition figures that are now in sweden, and they would like more cooperation from sweden on this particular issue in particular, considering also the fact that that is highly sensitive issue for for turkey, that one of the elements that have been here of particular importance. but it's important to remember are only turkey blocking the accession. hungary has also not

ratified the exception of sweden and finland, although it seems to be a little bit more favorable of that idea. that is the element that is blocking sweden and finland from becoming members of nato. and it's important, it is relevant to basically understand why this is so significant for a very long time. both sweden and finland had refrained from taking part in international conflicts. they have had a stance of no participation, the stance of neutrality. the warn ukraine has changed that dramatically, and in fact, in may last year, both countries decided to apply for nato membership. in other words, applied to become of this alliance of 30 countries. for that to happen. all nato members have to approve that date. and that's why i took this rejection, in particular, is so problematic for them, but also so important in the wider bit. let's big a little bit more about finland in particular because we heard earlier from santa

marine, the phineas prime minister, she a, she sort of described finland's application to join nato as an active piece. one that she said maybe could have happened earlier given what she described, i think is warning signs back in 2014 in russia's invasion of crimea, and how perhaps finland could have done more. then what, what do you have to say? well, obviously for finance, this is a big issue because finland not only shows a border with russia, it also shares a problematic history with russia. and they have viewed russia as a difficult country. and as a very good close country as well, you're graphically very close. so the fact that they saw that finland saw that russia simply sent tanks across one border to invade ukraine means that for finland, this is also a very sensitive issue that russia wanted. they could also try and do the same by

crossing stanlon's border, and that's the reason why back in may 2022, finland. that not only can and also sweden thought that it was safer for them, and it was better for them if they joined the nato alliance. the has to do with the fact that if one country, the alliance is attacked than all other countries react. although the countries defend the country that is being attacked. so this is about collective security. and we're actually going to be hearing more about this collective security in this 1st panel on that is about to start. and i think if i understand correctly, we are seeing that panel get underway at the moment. we can see heather conley, who is the president of the german marshall fund of the united states, beginning to introduce a panel, thomas in irving. let's, let's here watch here. the conley has the secretary general against oldenburg

assumed his duties on october 1st 2014. that was when nato began it zyden vendor. as we began to understand the european security situation was beginning to change. secretary general suttonberg has navigated many diplomatic challenges and we turned to him now to help us set the scene for how we build this alliance and new. so with your applause, please welcome secretary general. yes. thank you so much, heather. it's great to be back in the munich and the great to be together met 1st on the, on my, on the i look forward to our conversation in just a few moments. rush, also war against ukraine grind. oh,

we may be shocked by its brutality, but we should not be surprised. this is part of a pattern of russian aggression for several years on nato and the artist shared precise intelligence about moscow's plans for the invasion long in advance. over many months, we made every effort to engage rashaw in the promising, on just days before on. this vet is staged in munich. i called on pressed on, put in to step back from the brink. but despite our calls for peace, he chose to attack. we can all as a, draw some important lessons from the war. first, we must sustain on step up our support to ukraine. putin is

not planning for peace. he is planning for more war new offences. and there are no indications he has changed. his ambitions is mobilized, think hundreds, so 1000. so troops increasingly putting the russian economy on the war for thing. on reaching out to all the author, italian regimes such as the wrong or north korea are to get more weapons. so we must give ukraine what they need to win on, prevail as a sovereign independent nation in europe. some orient that some our support to crane risks triggering escalation. let me be claire. there are no risk free options. but the big risk of old is if putin wins, if put in wins in ukraine,

the message to him and all the other detail leaders will be that they can use force to get what they want. this will make the world more dangerous, and us more vulnerable. so supporting ukraine is not only the modern right thing to do. it is also in our own security interest. the 2nd lesson is that we need to continue to strength, nodded. turns on the fence. wars are unpredictable and we do not know when or how this one will end. but i do know this, even if the war ends to morrow, our security environment has changed for the long term. there is no going back kremlin, wants a different europe,

one where russia controls neighbors. we also know that badging is watching closely to see the price, russia pace, or their warded receives for its aggression. what is happening in europe today could happen in asia to morrow. so the war in ukraine demonstrates that security is not regional. it is global in this new and more contested world. we cannot longer afford to cheat the fence. us optional. it is a necessity. yes, spending more on the fence means less money for all that important talks, but nothing is more important than our security to preserve peace. the 3rd lesson is that the need to strengthen the resilience versus artist

military forces are necessary to protect our security. but there are not sufficient who must also secure our cyberspace, our supply chains, on our infrastructure. the war in ukraine has made clear the danger over alliance on altered italian regimes. not so long ago menu argued that important russian gas was purely an economic issue. it is not, it is a political issue. it is about our security because europe's dependency on russian gas made those vulnerable. so we should not make the same mistakes with fine law on old that altered italian regimes. we must not become

too dependent on products on the raw materials we import. avoid exporting, keith acknowledges that could be used against oils and protect our critical infrastructure at home. of course, we should continue to trade and engage economically with china. but the, our economists and ira comic interests cannot outweigh our security interests. so it's only right that we protect ourselves. but in doing so, we must remember that trade among friends and allies makes us stronger and more resilient. we must not create new barriers between free and open economists. the most important lesson from the war in ukraine is that north america and europe must stand together in the more dangerous world we need our transatlantic alliance

. more than ever. without natal, there is no security in europe. so this is not the time to look beyond the alliance. this is the time to strengthen and enlarge our reliance to promote peace, protect our research security, and defend a global system based on our values on international law. thank you, and then i look forward to our conversation secretary, secretary general thornburg. thank you. and let me please welcome our panelists to the, to the platform and. and while they're walking up a secretary general, if i may start with you. okay, well we'll do the handshake 1st here. thank you. welcome.

secretary general, everyone's getting as seated. if i may just ask you the 1st question and i want to pull on your the, the unthinkable. but if pollutant wins, as you suggested that nato would have to incredibly strengthen the eastern flank, it's nito spending to present would be the absolute floor. how do we as an alliance prepare for the unthinkable? and what does that alliance look like? for the next 101520 years was the 1st of all, president putin must not win this war and us wide nato allies and parties all around the world has mobilized so much support to ukraine. because it will be a tragedy for the ukrainians, but it will also be extremely dangerous for us. but because then the messages are when he uses force, then he gets what he wants. and we need to understand is this is not on the

european challenge. this is a global challenge, i recently, vis itself, korea and the, and the japan to call supporters of natal and they see the link between what's going on in europe and what's going on and may happen in asia. so badging is watching closely, or the outcome or the war in ukraine. and of course, if put in winston crane, it's all or impacted the decisions or, and the calculations that badging is doing in their part of the world. so this is about our global security. this is not about the regional security. nato has all the adapted, then war didn't start in february, last year it started in 2014. and since 2014, we have implemented their biggest to enforcement. i collected the fence with more troops, higher, edna's presses in these than part of the lions knew the fence bands and also increased the fence bending. and we, we meet in venus this year, i'm absence or not. we will her as a reconfirm that message,

bolster stronger partnership with our partners in the asia pacific support for ukraine. but also how to the strength flow to turn sir and events. secretary again, i went one more, i send to you, and then i want to bring our other panelists into the conversation. so in 5 months, the allies will gather in vilnius and incredibly important summit. at the end of that summit, what does success look like for you and for the alliance? well, as a success is about to demonstrate thing, a unwavering support for ukraine, and i'm absolutely confident about a confident that will be the case in willis. it's about earth a. re it draping our commitment to strength of the turns on the fence of uh, building the partnership with our asian pacific or partners because security is the old regional. so good to is the global. but then that is all one. although i think that's all a mark success and that is that we will enlarge their lines. i'm, i really, i work hard on the on really hope that body bill to so much we will have finalized

the exception process. and we have finan unsweetened as the 2 new members all our alliance as secretary general. that's the perfect segue to opening our conversation with president near stew. but before i get to the accession question, present in is do other than former chancellor miracle, you probably have had the most conversations with vladimir putin and it was important to keep that dialogue. i would imagine your last conversation was when you shared with him that he filane was applying for nato membership. but i wanted to ask you, because your knowledge of vladimir putin and you've observed his leadership over the last 12 months, help us understand where you think this regime is going. it's been under enormous stress and now you have some of the sharpest analytical thinking about russia. and then i'm gonna ask you that accession question, but i want to start there 1st. okay. thank you. i have heard her said

that the russian routine is the same future. it's not even more of the same and we know what the same is here. so it, we haven't seen any major chances except that maybe the leadership is more concentrated on, put in, and the amount of elite people around him is maybe reducing a better. those are more from the business side are, may be far further away at the moment head, we have to keep in mind that the military is number one in russian society in their economy, in their industry, whatever. and to i guess that they are measuring this situation all the

time, the ukrainian bore by their military success. and that's the only thing you go, that's really the, that they really care about. and that's all. so he explains that what is going on and to, i'm afraid to will continue. so something like this, more of the same greater intensity which moves us to the urgency of finland and sweden for formally joining the alliance. so and the secretary general, i may be bringing you into this conversation as well because i want to make sure i understand where we are in the process. i know you were if just in ankara visiting a with the senior turkish officials, obviously the devastation of the earthquake as is an unimaginable. but we now have this challenge of a timeline to get to the vilnius summit. so you are very clear,

secretary general and encore a same. both sweden and finland are ready but, and we want them to enter as soon as possible. but this suggests that as our turkish colleagues had suggested that they will, they are ready to approve finland to enter, finish parliament is making the preparations to do that president, i just, i need the clarity. we know we want feminist waiting to come together. that's the goal, but if we must, and if turkey and of course hungry approves the accession ratifies, accession protocols only for finland. would finland walk through that door by itself. and if so, secretary general, what are the implications for that scenario? okay, our bocce sion is crystal clear. we with sweden, we have a made an application expressing our will to join nato. and that will,

is a oh considered by member states 28 of them, accepted us then to turkey, turkey yet deb, it's in their hands. we have a court messy cheese and you have to be quite keen when you hear messages from turkey, they may changed every now and then. but nevertheless, we have heard them saying also that in an increasing bay that finland, yes, a feline to meet. so criterias which they have boot, which are a bit different from those criterias of nato, but a little by little. they have increased in expressing that they might gratify athene land and just t land. and even we have heard some voices that eith,

finland is willing to this god of separation. and our answer is very clear. we have expressed our will together with sweden and we don't react at all. we will not accept or demand any kind of separation, but still situation is shots that i our applications are at the table in ankara and to eat turkey decides that yes, they will answer yours to finland, but not yet. yes. to sweden, her. well, that would be quite a quite a difficult situation. our hands, sorry, no, wait tight. we have applied for membership. should be now say that no, we cancel our application. no, that we can't simply do. so that's how it looks like,

but i want to assure that we we have done our part by applying, applying to cather with sweden, that's our will to become a member at each scene, turkish and to decide whether they want to have us secretary general. this is a dilemma and i think you've done an excellent job of trying to manage that we went them both in, but we may anticipate a pacing issue here. how do we continue to provide that strong message of solidarity and security? particularly as we get closer to the velma summit, that 1st of all, nato has made the earth, the decisions we need to make as the lions already. we made an historic position at our summit in july to invite financing to become members. and then we all made the decision or triggered the accession protocols on all alice have signed accessible

to calls, so that natal decisions have been made. what now remains is the ratification process. all those protocols in all the 30 allied countries so far, 28 of the 3rd to have all the the ratified, and then enter kia and the, and the hungry it remains. of course my message has been and was also my message younger earlier this week that both finan unsweetened already for a to vacation, and they have met their obligations. so they signed that with the tara roll memorandum with turkey year after nasal. so mister last, 3rd, july, and therefore urge all allies to finalize the ratification. but also said that, or of course, what matters is that both becomes or become a members as soon as possible or not, or whether one become a member before the author. the most important is to get them both in as soon as possible, and i continue to work hard to ensure that they are members by the villa summit. if

i can just add one more thing and that is that this means that that is a turkish decision because they have to protocols under, under, i urge, so treat tokyo to, to rectify both. but of course if the right, if i one and then and then that then fin, none will be a member of the alliance for hostile. mm hm. it won't, it won't, is that we had to remember that sweden and finland are in a very much better place now. none before their plight is not as if nothing has happened. they are now in by teased meaning that they're sitting at the natal table . they participate in natal meeting some more and more integrated in april milton structures, defense planning, civilian and military activities, nature as increases, presence in the area or allies, not the states and when the old wires are issued assurances. so security assurance as part of the accession process. so it's inconceivable that her, that we're in the mil contract against finance or sweden without natal reacting so

yes, we need to find out the process. but her. com a very long way already. both with finance with thank you. thank you to you about this is essential and as we understand are the next several weeks and months. so thank you president. sand deal. all leaders have tough weeks, but i think you've had a particularly tough week and i, i want you to help us understand of course hearing news reports that and intelligence had picked up a, a russian malign operation in moldova, it to me sounded very similar to 2016 and montenegro, to be honest with you, that type of disruption, if you could share with us what you can sort of the, your understanding you mentioned earlier so that the situation still highly destabilizing. and after you share that, how can we learn to better protect our societies from russian malign influence? moldova is certainly under enormous pressure right now. so welcome your thoughts on

that. and then i turn to, well, how we can strengthen nato's partnership with moldova in these difficult days. please. thank you. first, i'd like to say that russia's war against ukraine has enormous repercussions on every aspect of all of us. security are increased including the military, but he's a lover. in the last few months we saw for, for a new styles are close single, legally, our air space where we have many cases of rock in their bodies falling on our territory. and we see that coming from the friends representatives of fresh air that he didn't win from the minister of foreign affairs who indicated that mother might be the next in line. but as long as you claim keeps the rationale lou fire from our borders, we believe that he's not an imminent military effect to mother and ukraine. keeps

us safe at the same time. russia east already waging hybrid war against moldova. and we have many examples in the fall, they tried to use the energy crisis, hoping that will not be able to pay for their very high prices for gas and electricity. when they saw that the government managed to find the money that's put on cut. yes, supply by 60 percent, hoping that we will not find alternative sources and that the paid rotors will overthrow the elected, the legal elected government. so now we've learned about the new plan that they might be. they might try to bring people from outside the country to organize these violent quotas and then to voicemail authorities into negotiations on snap parliamentary elections. that there are many elements of these a hybrid work of who is the most damaging to our democracies propaganda and does

intimation bid at our multiple cyber attacks for multiple bomb poles mumble out of who's all of this is meant to destabilize the society and to use the difficulty going on a situation that we faced because of her rashes were in ukraine to, to bring people into the streets and then to, to change the government and to bring the pro, ration government or that it could use also against you. great. thank you. presence and do moldova has had a longstanding partnership with nato. there's now a nato liaison office in kuza. now, as we think about building and strengthening our partnership, what are opportunities and ways that nato can be more impactful and helping moldova with security sector reform,

strengthening and modernizing your defense structures. give us some ideas as, as we continue to strengthen europeans security. indeed, we do have a long standing partnership with nature and we are very grateful and we are very committed to our long term plans. at the same time we did get where the promised what additional support that the my g summit. thank you for that. the priority now is to have a project would be me, did impact. and the biggest problem that we have now is the need for s veins and air defense. and this is needed, fumbled over, but this is also needed for the entire region. so we would like our partners who can see that this type of assistance that we need urgently needs because of the internal threats of the hybrids or were we also need to support to develop our strategic intelligence capabilities are to deal with the cyber threats. we need

to avoid to modernize our border security and control. we need support special intervention focus capabilities. and i believe we need to work together and to be more efficient in tackling the ration propaganda. it's extremely difficult for us to tackle this issue alone. i think we need to have common approaches on fighting that is intimation, the pro war propaganda. i think we need to have common of notice in dealing with this social networks which are not responsive to moldova requests. when it comes to the cold war propaganda and to that is intimation and the. 5 i do believe that they can take us seriously when we coat them together. but this is a very big issue. and as i said, the propaganda does intimation is probably now the most damaging element for our society in for our democracy. well, and you're very much

a laboratory right now of that propaganda. so the alliance could learn an enormous amount, feminist figure thing, and is, as you've now reelection has happened. you've had an extraordinary year of leadership. i would say denmark has had its own zeit, venda, when you, after the war began the full scale invasion, denmark taking the important step of joining the com, a security defense policy, the you committing a 1000000000 in defense spending. what more needs to be done? i think the one concern that i have as we get closer to the nato summit is we are one year away from seeing how nato members have fulfilled their whales pledge of meeting 2 percent and 2024. we know denmark will be shy of that, despite the increase in spending help us understand the leadership role that you've taken through this period and, and how denmark is, is increasing its defense spending in this regard. can i 1st of all say that and my

are, you are really as a brave european president. i mean, her mother is a small, it's a pool and it's a freight you on european country. you can be next in line when we're talking about russia and you are standing up, you as a person for democracy, rule of law and anti corruption. so, you are a brave european leader, and of course all our awareness is about ukraine. i totally agree with you. yes we have to do more. we have to do it faster. but at the same time, let us not forget moldova, georgia, and, and dare, and other neighboring countries are when you ask me, what are the next thing to do?

we have to and we need to spend more on our defense or of course that's number one . we have to do as much as we can to support ukraine with the weapons, more donations, and we have to do it faster. i think we have to work more closely together in europe to keep up producing because air it is extremely important to donate more and to do it faster, but also to be able to defense ourself to defend ourself. but we also have to build much stronger partnerships. and of course, mulder is a great example of this. but also when it comes to the global south, because we focus on ukraine, that is extremely important. but at the same time, i mean, what is going on in africa? what's going on in this hell region and, and if we are not able,

as european countries to build strong alliances in asia, of course, transatlantic is where it starts and where it begins and where it ends. i totally agree. but if we're not able to build stronger alliances with india, with all palmers in asia, as you said, the ends in africa, in other places of the world, we will lose, i think, the global war on values. so we have to do a lot of things at the same time and we have to, i think, be aware that all the crisis we are facing are interfering with each other. so, or of course, being able to help ukraine and we have to win this one. they will never be able to win it on their own. we have to win it with them. we have to build a stronger european union. we have to build stronger partnerships with our neighbors, but we have to be much more active on the global shooting at the same time. that's

an extraordinary to do list. i think one of my favorite quotes from you right after the full scale invasion was historic times call for historical decisions. and that's what you're talking about. we. this is what we've talked about historical decisions about finland joining nato, historical decisions about joining the euro, atlantic community, fully historic decisions about defense spending, a prime minister, a if i can ask you and, and take the liberty. also having president newness to hear the kingdom of denmark plays an extraordinary role geographically because of his position in the north atlantic and the kingdom of denmark has been very, very forward leaning on an arctic strategy. understanding rushes are no militarization and what that means, i know this is something that the secretary general often repeats which we are very grateful for. of course, finland's and join and sweden joining nato has now. the arctic council is the

arctic 7. well, now all be nato members. help us think in your own work with the green lenders where you see this is as far as building the alliance, how we build greater deterrence in the north. and how do we think about the high north looking forward? yeah, thank you for, for bringing of the high north air it. i think it will be a full for the next many years. we will have we on the need of having more discussion about the high north. so we were talking about the hybrid situation and let's not forget about terrorist and the global situation when it comes to terrorism, it should still be on air. i'll come table. but i, my guess is that we will see a more fragile situation in the high north as well as we are seeing more and more russian activities. and of course, because of climate change,

the high not will change in many different aspects. so we're, we need more awareness and we need to, to be physically and much more in the high north a. so you are right that to do lists is quite long and i have now made it even longer. oh, but that's how it is to be a leader in these. yes, i mean it is so, so thank you for for putting the hand off and of course and finland and sweden being made to members hopefully soon will also be very important when, when it comes to the arctic region and it is becoming more more fragile as well, absolutely president is do you want to come in? yes, i said to ela meds, 1st of those are carried to both of you. i fully agree with the met several jeep. she said to ab actually tradition has p and talk to cause. so doesn't to take any

opinion on securities use and to, well, we see at the same time that the high knows that the tensions are accruing all the time and the interest to words that is not only limited to r t curve, console countries. for example, you k is also strongly involved in the security issues, but there's also another element that is the environmental one. we have to keep in mind that russia covers half of the artic. and i have often said that if we lose the arctic, because over climate change, we lose the globe. and there we have to be capable of somehow throwing at least 2 tomb corporate or let russians understand food

them understand that the question is very crucial. there are houses are collapsing in the, in tune dry area where, where the, the ice is melting. so they have to realize that it's a common problem to, but him, back to security is use it. that is an increasing issue. and i believe that nato is taking more and more notice to that too. so it's a historic that we have 2 new nato members in our to cancel in next council meeting. hope so. exactly. so i'm going to bring the audience into this important conversation, but i'm going to ask each of you to help with a question that many in the think tank community are wrestling with. and i want a really short answer. i start with you,

i'm gonna work down the road. a secretary gentleman to start with you. do you feel the center of gravity in europe is now shifted east? and if you believe that, why, really short. because we've had a debate that no, it's not shifting nice. yes, it's 15 east. and then what does that mean? has it been shifting? depends, told they what they mean. but the question, what has shifted east is, is natal preston's also we have much more a preston's mentor, present, so exercises. so in these, because we have seen over several years or more aggressive or russia and to respond to that, especially since 2014. we have for the 1st or hyster deployed, or nato troops in east on pot alliance. but of course, men of those troops calling from the western party lines. so this demonstrates how nato is together and how we support is older. and we do that to, to ensure so that georgia cannot continue its,

its aggressive actions against the countries in europe and understand the very clear message to moscow that nate was there to protect on the phone. the natal territory, every inch, little totally prime minister, shifting east, north and east to with sweden and finland. do you feel that sense of shift of gravity, fanny or no i, i agree with the ends. of course a we need to be aware of the current situation. so should we have supported, i mean, all the decisions there has been taking when it comes to the eastern flank and probably we, we will have to stay there for a period of time. but i think what is so important about nature is that m m a to is flexible in its way of thinking in our way of thinking. and so of course, now it, the situation is about ukraine and unfortunately, maybe also other neighboring countries. but at the same time,

we are able to work with the cyber hybrid as situation. and as i said before, i think we need more focus if the south are because of the very, very difficult situation, especially in the hill or region. but am i think of the most important thing is that we are flexible in our way of thinking and we are able, as nature, to move very fast when something occurs in front of us. president center, do you feel that shift to the east? i do believe that because of this were my companies now that i'd be part of iraq security mount. now we have been helping with that delays and we are trying to become a provider security. we need help to become a more see is provide security and for that he didn't present needs to well, i think it's quite natural that we are now bitter east 3rd because of the ukrainian

force here. but i would also point out certain kind of flexibility. it surely we have to p prepared to react wherever there's a problem and her nose. yes. arctic area russian border. yes. black. see maybe the mediterranean, so to be ready to react to whatever. that's the lesson i guess we have got during the past year. so the answer to the think tanks is the center of gravity is flexibility and been where we need to be our right. we have some great questions cabinet voided. let me turn the microphone here. i found the front of the lexi. please introduce yourself and direct your question to a panelist. thank you very much. my name is alexia going sharon, co member of ukrainian parliament and her that the topic over these panel is built in the airlines. right. and i think they're built in the airlines will be always

incomplete without ukraine, moldova, georgia. so i have 2 questions from this. first to secretary generals, tolten berg. are these the year nature summit in vilnius? will there be a strong and clear signal that you grant will be member of nato? maybe by providing membership action plan? oh, just by statement, but clear and strong that need to his weight in ukraine. and to the 2nd question is to president sandal ah, may be the time from old dover to revise the policy of neutrality. i understand that it's not just your decision, but i very much interested in what you personally think about it. thank you very much. thank you. thank you again. so natal session on law a membership for ukraine is unchanged, or we'd agreed back in 2008 that the ukraine will become a member of the lines and out. this is still our position. then of course, what math now is to ensure that ukraine prevails as

a sovereign independent states because without having ukraine, us 7 independent states, there's no way to discuss any con, the relationship between eto and ukraine in the future. so the urgent need is to provide military support. our state laws and partners are doing every day and in that concerns also welcome the, the, the initiative from a promise to so knock to actually have a discussion about the, the framework we need to ensure an enduring piece after this war m's are because when the war ends, we need to make sure that his to doesn't repeat itself, that josh doesn't continue to invade the ukraine. because this is a path then it started in 20, in 2008 when the invasion over over georgia. and then in 2014 crimea, and on boss. and then in last year, the full fledged invasion over ukraine. and we cannot allow russia to continue to chip away her european security. and we need to break the

circle of russian aggression against that european countries. and therefore we need, when are these war ends to establish some kind of framework that ensures atrocious aggression doesn't to continue present ascending yes, we're looking at where drescher does to ukraine today. it's clear dad's neutrality cannot defend us. neutrality can defend only when the other countries respected beds. you know that today that he's no popular savoy enough. oculus, a boy are to tend to that's and we know that we understand that. and we acknowledge the situation. we can discuss why is that, and i think the ration propaganda is a big extends to be blamed for that's, for instance, today the one of the lines of the russian for by then that is that neutrality means

that the country should not strengthen its defence sector which doesn't make any sense, but unfortunately that many people in moldova were scared of the war. and they are by this kind of propaganda. so that's why i thought that we need to, to work together to deal with is to counter this propaganda. but given the situation as a sad that he's no question now about changing the neutrality, but definitely moldova should be helped to strengthen. it's our defense sector, and moldova should be part of the new european security architecture. thank you so much. i see a bank back there, tobias elwood, if we can have a microphone right there, you can follow my finger. leslie. the last question cuz i have one closing question for this panel. tobias a thank you very much indeed. secretary general. i think you summed up the situation by saying putin enjoys using force and gets away with it. and if we don't

stand up to putin, then he exploits our weakness. you've heard on the stage, the president of moldova, it almost feels like we're going through this all again. off to ukraine could ask what more we could do internationally to support moldova because that could very much be next i was one of the 1st people indeed at this conference last year to say that nato countries or the joint expeditionary force should be sending a forces to ukraine, to prevent russia's invasion, but we blinked. we were spooked by russia's rhetoric. so my question is here, you've heard from the prime minister denmark as well stating the difficulties that moldova is now facing. yes, of course we need to pressure eyes and support ukraine. but moldova clearly could be next. what more can we do internationally? what more can nato do?

what more can the joint expeditionary force due to support moldova? now before it's too late, prime minister fixed, now i want to turn that question to you as you as they can. what can we do and in secretary jennifer you have some thoughts on that as well? should i start? oh, okay. i, i think yes can answer when it comes to met, what we can do in the nature frame. but i would like to add what we can do politically. because what you said is very important, that you have a big, a big minority of your population that actually supports russia because of fake news and, and, and, and the war russia is, is into when it comes to, to the media's and, and so on. and we can only as leaders, we can only support ukraine and mold over if we have the support of our populations . because we are democracies. and when we are delivering like denmark,

our holy artillery to ukraine, it demands support from our populations. so i think fighting inflation working with muddle when it comes to energy. you're not producing any energy on your own. and i think you told me that the prices of gas has been 7 doubled, 7 doubled in a very, very poor european country. so i mean, if you are an ordinary family in mulder, we're facing that your bills have been 7 doubles. you could maybe feel then it would be better to have russia to help us ought to be a part of our daily life. so i mean, bringing economic development into our partner countries and never to forget the global south. i really 11 did this perspective because i mean, the food crisis and the energy crisis is working against us when it comes to the

situation in ukraine. so of course there's something we can do when it comes to protect moldova. but at the same time, we need to help to develop moldova to, to, to make sure that the preparation supports the european perspective, both when it comes to nato and when it comes to the european union. i think this is at least as important as the heart and measures that i guess it yes we'll we'll talk about as well. so 1st of all i agree a fully with her we we need to provide support on different types of support to moldova. as soon as possible, or georgia and the ukraine to other countries which are available the for russian, russian as a dispute, instructional russian they aspire for natal membership model, was not made a decision to aspire for natal membership. and of course, we a respect out,

but i think if there's any lesson or an additional lessons learned from her though the war in ukraine is that we need to support the context which are vulnerable for suggestion as false and as soon as possible. now, because the on that is that them and the main reason why ukraine has been able to, to repel and, and to push back to russian forces is of course, the bravery the courage of ukraine, an armed forces, or the political leadership, the people of ukraine. but one important element has also be in the fact that they promised actually trained and helped ukraine since 2014. do not the kingdom of not the states colonel and elders early provided a significant trading and capacity building and also equipment of from 2014. meaning that ukraine an army much were much stronger, better equipped, but the trend trained but the lead her last year than they were in 2014. and that's of this part of the explanation why they were able to withstand the rush innovation . and now in

a way that in the window they were to do in 2014. so we are working on our partnership. we agree that than they thought, oh, i meant to step up other partnership and support for ukraine. but i'd urge them to allow us to do more because of his urge and need to support those partners who are wrong or bowl a for a russian aggression. secretary general, thank you so much. this has been a, it's such an important conversation about making sure that finland and sweden, for members of nato, more support for mold over a 100 percent. and i think to biases, words are, are absolutely clear that to do list is massive, but historical times require historical decisions. my last one second question to you secretary, general, american presidents have a tradition of writing a letter to their successor with their words of wisdom. at some point, we're going to choose your successor. what words of wisdom in 30 seconds would you give your successor? so keep a europe and north america together,

and i don't believe in europe alone. i don't believe in north america alone. i believe in north america europe together, and that's they don't. hey man, thank you so much. thank you. ladies and gentlemen, the main program will continue momentarily. please remain seated. we kindly ask, okay, one in washing a panel as a munich security conference over one on our partnering up for europe in security here on t w. news of course, are the people you saw there were yen stoughton berg, the secretary general of nato, sally minister, the president of finland, my son to the president of moldova. and finally i met a frederickson, the prime minister of denmark. my name is jared reed. we're waiting to take you, of course, after this panel to another panel featuring us,

vice president carmella harris. that will be coming up shortly. but before we go to that, we can do a little bit of wrap up of what we've just heard. we've thomas barry, our security correspondent and terry schultz who is standing by in munich for us. she is of course t w's nicer expert. terry, i'd like to start with you, your reactions to, to what you've just heard over this last hour. well jared, one of the things that striking is just looking at this panel a year ago, 2 of the countries on that stage, we're not even thinking about nato membership. finland of course, had what had been determined that it couldn't go it alone. and moldova is still going it alone. but as you heard from president sand you very much thinking about its own security in a different light now. and finland, of course, has applied to join nato and is just waiting on accession. so this is just an example of how in one short year rushes aggression has changed the entire security

architecture, the entire perceptions of security for countries that never would have looked at to join the transatlantic alliance before. terry, as you say a year is both a short and a long time, sometimes on the sparrow or what, what are your thoughts? what are your main takeaways from what we just found the focus on moldova particularly interesting, this is a very small, a very poor european country. sandwiched between romania on the one hand on ukraine on the other. and it is absolutely clear from what we heard today, that they feel very vulnerable. they feel very vulnerable when it comes to, to russia. and they are not a member of nato. they are not a member of the european union. however, they are asking for more support, both from the european union and from nature when it comes to moldova, us, security. and there is an understanding that there weren't ukraine goes well beyond ukraine that could also affect other countries in one of the countries that could

be most effect. there could be next in line. we heard that just now is moldova, so the focus on moldova. i think he was particularly important in this panel right now. terry, i'd like to come back to you if we could 11 quote, there were quite a few sound bites from you and stoughton burg. i'll read one out to you. he said a security is not regional security is global. it talk to us a little bit about your main takeaways, from the aspects that the panel we're talking about about improving not just regional bus, global security. well, we've actually seen that happen seen of the implications for the rest of the world with this war on ukraine. in fact, just last week in brussels at nato headquarters, there was a meeting of what's called the ramstein group. so that's not just nato allies looking at what more they can contribute to ukraine. there's $54.00 countries. so there's 24 countries that don't belong to the alliance that are they're offering

help for ukraine. in fact, we don't even know all of their names because it would be so geopolitically sensitive for them to admit publicly that they are contributing to, to ukraine against russia. so this is a sign that countries are getting it, that it has already been well recognized. that ukraine cannot lose this war, that russia cannot win this war. countries no, and secretary general styles and burg, mentioned it. what is happening in europe right now could happen in east asia. next . if russia is allowed to win it to break international law to violate any values that countries should hold a should hold dear, then who's next? what's next? it's a good point. you bring up there, terry, what kinds of messages? deed, you're in stoughton burg, having those comments, you know, directed towards china's way. yeah, that's right i'm, it's definitely directed toward china's way. he mentioned it. he said that beijing is watching closely what price russia is made to pay for what is doing to ukraine.

so this is something that a, is, it has been central even before the war on ukraine. nato started seeing china, it doesn't call it a threat yet, but it calls it a competitor, a geo strategic a concern. and so a, china is very much a, the secondary concern here at munich. ok, thomas? i'd like to come back to you. of course, the whole topic of this panel was beyond the alliance, cooperating beyond nicer. what did we learn here? that is again, not only about ukraine, what terry mentioned it's, it's really important. the fact that we're talking about european security about, about, we're talking about extending the nato alliance about trying to convince other countries that they could be next in line. if russia or other autocratic state decide to follow this path, what i find particularly important is how they plan to convince other countries

that may view the whole situation in a very different light. this, let's not forget it. i'm. we saw a panel here of, or a p n. lead us is the view from europe. but if you go to india, if you go to china, if you go to certain countries in latin america, if you go to other countries in asia, many of you what's happening in ukraine or something is happening far away. and that's not such a big priority to them. so the challenge when we're talking about partnerships that go beyond europe is not only what kind of partnership that will be, but how to convince other countries that view these kinds of ideas. this, these kinds of values in a maybe different way. it is a very significant challenge. i think it's also one of the key points that we will be hearing. also in the next few hours at the munich security conference. we've also heard it in the past as well. this idea that there has to be a partnership between europe and the west, but also other countries around the world. it may sound very interesting. it is not

an easy challenge that for sure. you're talking of course thomas about the perspectives of countries in the global south or how much of their concerns are being taken on board here in at the munich security conference by some of those leaders that, that we've just been watching taken on board. yes, we've heard them from other leaders, the president of ghana, for instance, we also heard from the vice president of columbia. so they are certainly taken on board. the question is, what will happen afterwards? what concrete actions might be taken to have what has been described as a real partnership? so it's not only about the rich countries in europe with united states providing aid. it's about building really partnerships on an equal footing with these countries and europe and the west might actually benefit from these kinds of partnerships. not only when it comes to economic development or energy issues, but also in global institutions like the united nations general assembly,

where each vote where each country plays a very significant role. so if you want, for example, to condemn russia at forum like the un, you do not only need european countries, you also need to have african countries, latin american countries, asian countries on board. and basically that means that you need to be able to discuss with them what's at stake, and you also need to discuss with them what values are important and why it's important to actually share them. so again, this is something that goes way beyond just what's happening in ukraine. ok, thanks thomas. or you're watching dw news. we are giving you, we are bringing to you special live coverage of day 2 of the munich security conference. in a few minutes. we're going to take you to the main stage that you can see right here to listen to us, vice president of pamela harris. she is going to be speaking with the chairman of the munich security conference, christoph hosking. we can have we can see nancy pelosi they're speaking to jen

stoughton berg. that panel, of course, with camera harris is due to begin in just a few minutes time. we'll go back to munich and, and speak to terry schultz. terry, i'm just wondering or ever all eyes really on this next panel involving carmella harris. what are you most expecting or, or waiting for here. i think europeans are going to be waiting for. i'm much the same as they usually do. they want to hear the united states reiterate yet again, that they did the article 5 commitments, the commitment to defend all allies is rock solid. that's a term they often use. we may hear it again in, in commonly her as a speech. but this is particularly important now, not just because of russia's aggression, but because of the position of some united states are members of congress. they are

saying that of the u. s. stop funding ukraine or, or at least it drastically scale it back. this is heading into the next presidential election, of course, and there is a real can search, not the usual. you know, worry that, that the u. s. would pull back support for europe itself, but if they stop funding ukraine yet, that's the same outcome. so this is something i think they're going to want to hear commonly, harris, who is expected to run again, of course, to, to reinforce today very strongly that support for ukraine will remain at its very high levels for into the foreseeable future. as long as she and president biden can control anyway, terry, of course, a couple of harris is from the democratic party. how much of a, what kind of attention is europe paying towards the situation, the domestic situation in the us right now, where, of course, the republicans have a majority in the house. what. how is that factoring into oldies? well i think that is the concern because we're after the mid terms,

of course everyone is starting to the the campaigning is starting for the presidential election. and i was actually surprised even as an american to hear people come out immediately after the midterm. republicans come out and say, you know, why are we sending this money to ukraine? we have uses for it at home. yeah, some of them, of course, are under president trump, former president trump, i'm russia, wasn't seen as, as, as quite the, the enemy that it is. now of course, the invasion hadn't happened yet, but i think there's a lot of concern that if there were a return to a trump presidency, nobody knows where the russia policy would go. and as you hear these members of congress talking now about scaling back ukraine at the height of the war, what, what everyone says is a very critical moment on the battlefield. this is really a big worry for europe. and just echoing what you said earlier, terry, of course, from ian stoba. he said that he's cold on nato allies to stay pop their support to

ukraine. of course, not, reduce thomas sparrow. i'd like to come back to you in respect to come to horace who were about to see what are you my looking for here. i agree with terry on that view, that it will be important to hear from pamela harris that reassurance that the trans atlantic relationship. in other words, the relationship between the us and europe is very strong. that they are working hand in hand when it comes, not only to ukraine, but you are the challenges around the world. now it is something that we have heard many, many times in the past. also immunity also at that same venue in the past. but the context is different. now we have a war in ukraine. we have that 1st anniversary coming up. and there's a lot of discussion, not only as to what that trans atlantic relationship might do to bring about an end to the war in ukraine. so it'll be interesting to see how cameron harris will focus on these issues, how they will differ from what we've heard in the past by her from,

by other us officials. it's always important to remember that there's a big delegation of us politicians at the munich security conference and only now but in the past, this is one of the biggest traditions at the munich security conference have covered myself right there in, in bavaria. so it's always important to view that relationship, but again, the meaning security conference, this time round has a much broader focus, which goes well beyond the u. s. and europe. so i do expect cameron harris, as we've heard from other leaders, as well, to focus on how that relationship could impact other regions of the world as well. you mentioned sort of differing views there. what exactly do you mean? well, look at india, for example, that has different view when it comes to the war in ukraine. look at china, for example. look at countries in latin america acts. gentleman poor, one of the moderators. there mentioned the case of brazil, which has also mentioned a rather different view. so when it comes to working hand in hand,

when it comes to this values based order, some of the leaders have actually spoken about wore on values here being caused by, by russia. this means that you need to have countries on board that are very important that are very significant in their own regions and have to be on board in order to come to decisions that can ultimately impact the outcome of that well and beyond. because it's not only about the conflict in ukraine, it's also about many other issues as well. exactly. thomas barry way, looks like day, almost getting ready to bring up comma la harris on the center stage. the munich security conference he of course, is going to be speaking in just a couple of minutes with the chair of the m s. c. on day 2. his name is list of what's going thomas, i was just wondering if we could reflect a little bit on what we've heard up until now, including what we heard yesterday. you just mentioned. you know,

these kinds of predictions that the war is going to drag on. we heard this yesterday from a chancellor. all laughed shots at the war might go longer than people expected to essentially that europe and the west and other countries in the world need to prepare for a longer war. so we've also been hearing how those preparation might be happening and also that it's not the time for dialogue yet. that's something else that we, we heard essentially reflecting on the fact that in some parts of european population, out of here in germany, for example, there's already sort of discussion starting as to whether it shouldn't or they might be a good idea to already start having some sort of diplomatic relationship, again, some sort of diplomatic approach to ending this war. we heard from chancellors holds very clearly that the fact that germany and other countries are sending weapons to ukraine and sending tanks in particular is not something that is escalating the war. but something that is putting pressure on russia for russia to

change course. so that is something that we heard yesterday, but something very briefly on, on what we're going to hear next from pamela harris, because i think it's very important. the u. s. administration now, under biden harris, they have always been very pro european, especially if you compare it to the previous administration. and donald trump, that's not to say that there are difference is that not to say that maybe in the united states, they sometimes view critically the fact that in europe, especially in germany, things tend to move much slower than they would want. but in general, you have seen from the camera harris and biden administration, a real support for this trans atlantic relation. and i do expect this or something that's gonna be stressed here. it is important for your p and leaders to actually hear these words from the united states because we've also had in the past that this atlantic relationship was questioned. one of the big elements of the trans atlantic relationship has always been nato, where both the united states and many other countries in europe are actually part

of this defense alliance. the trans atlantic defense alliance. and today was all about this trans atlantic alliance. not only in terms of defense, but also much broader. and i think this is important also for our international viewers that may be watching in different parts of the world. to understand that from a european perspective, from a u. s. perspective, this idea that the u. s. and europe are working together is particularly important . we saw it already in a very concrete way, very recently, with a decision by the us, by some european countries as well to allow no ukraine to receive leopard 2 tanks. in the case of europe, the u. s. were sending his own abrams tanks, that was something that european leaders us leaders clearly stated. they wanted to do hand in hand. they wanted to avoid unilateral decision in this particular case. so when it comes to trying to find solutions to the war in ukraine, militarily, particular, it's important to reflect on this idea that it's happening hand in hand between

europe and the u. s. and more broadly, it's understanding that in both cases from the u. s. but also from europe, the relationship is now seen as strong, even though there are issues where maybe they do not necessarily see eye to eye or where they need to discuss. very clearly how they move forward. that's a good point terry. we'll come back to you in munich. i'm just wondering if you would like to reflect on what thomas has just said, this sort of idea of reassurances and the us and europe needing to be seen to go hand in hand at the moment. absolutely. and, and while, as thomas mentioned today, was very much nato day. we shouldn't forget that there are tension between the 2 sides, especially right now on this inflation reduction act that has been passed in the united europe is very upset about this. it feels like this will give a competitive edge to us industry and in europe, europe, businesses will be left out of contract. so i would also expect to hear commonly

harris say something about this. the 2 sides are working together to reduce these tension. but that's important. for security as well. okay, terry terry schultz in a minute. thanks so much. we're going to cross now to the munich security conference, and here from the chair christoph voice. and we are very happy that you continue this. we have a fantastic trans atlantic delegation here. the only difference, this is vice president is when we started 59 years ago. they were only men. and now there is a woman vice president, william vice president man, thank you. well, it is my honor to be back at the munich security conference. as many of us remember, last year on this stage, i warned of the imminent invasion of ukraine by russia.

and let us all recall. many at the time, i wondered how we would all respond. many wondered, could russia be stopped? would nato come together? would nato break apart? and would ukraine be prepared? colleagues, today, a year later, we know he is still standing. russia is weakened. the trans atlantic alliance is stronger than ever

and most importantly, the spirit of the ukrainian people endures. and under joe biden, president of the united states, our country has demonstrated decisive leadership as president biden often says, the united states will support ukraine for as long as it takes we will not waver. and today, at this munich security conference, i will then describe what we all continue to have at stake, the moral interest, the strategic interest. and the reason ukraine matters for the people of america for the people of europe. and for people around the

world. first, from the starting days of this unprovoked war, we have witnessed, russian forces engage in horrendous atrocities and war crimes. their actions are an assault on our common values. an attack on our common humanity. and let us be clear. russian forces have pursued a wide spread and systemic attack against a civilian population. gruesome acts of murder, torture, rage, and deportation. execution style killings,

beatings, and electrocution. russian authorities have forcibly deported hundreds of thousands of people from ukraine to russia, including children. they have cruelly separated children from their families. and we've all seen the images of the theater and marable were hundreds of people were killed. think of the image of the pregnant mother who was killed following a strike at a maternity hospital where she was preparing to give birth. think of the images of boucher civilians shot in cold blood.

their bodies left in the street. the jarring photograph of the man who was riding his bike think of the 4 year old girl for the united nations recently reported was sexually assaulted by a russian soldier, a 4 year old child, barbaric and inhumane. longer i was vice president of the united states. i spent the majority of my career as a prosecutor, beginning as a young lawyer in the courtroom. and later running the california department of justice. i know 1st hand the importance of gathering

facts and holding them up against the law. in the case of russia's actions in ukraine, we have examined the evidence. we know the legal standards, and there is no doubt. these are crimes against humanity. the united states has formally determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity. and i say to all those who have perpetrated these crimes and to their

superiors who are complicit in these crimes, you will be held to account in the face of these in disputable facts. to all of us here in munich, let us renew our commitment to accountability. let us renew our commitment to the rule of law. as for the united states, we will continue to support the judicial process in ukraine and international investigations. because justice must be served.

let us all agree on behalf of all the victims, both known and unknown. justice must be served. such is our moral interest. we also have a significant strategic interest. the fight in ukraine has far reaching global ramifications. no nation is safe in a world where one country can violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity of another where crimes against humanity are committed with impunity. where a country with imperialist ambitions can go unchecked.

our response to the russian invasion is a demonstration of our collective commitment to uphold international rules and norms. rules and norms, which since the end of world war 2 have provided unprecedented security and prosperity. not only for the american people, not only for the people of europe, but people around the world. principles that state, that sovereign nations have a right to peacefully exist that borders must not be changed by force. that there are inalienable human rights. which governments must respect. and that the rule

of law must be preserved. indeed at this moment, has tested our willingness to defend and uphold these rules and norms. and we have remained strong. and we must stay strong. because if putin were to succeed with his attack on these fundamental principles, other nations could feel embolden to follow his violent example. other authoritarian powers could seek to bend the world to their will. through coercion, disinformation,

and even brute force the international order upon which we all rely could be at risk. so in the interest of global security and prosperity, one of our defining missions is to uphold international rules based order. and nations around the world agreed. consider more than $140.00 countries voted at the united nations to condemn russia's aggression and to support ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. in defense of the core principles of the un charter. of course, we have also seen nations like north korea and iran send weapons

in support of russia's brutal war. we are also troubled that beijing has deepened its relationship with moscow since the war began. looking ahead. any steps by china to provide legal support to russia would only reward aggression continue the killing and further undermine a rules based order. again, the united states will continue to strongly support ukraine. and we will do so for as long as it takes the american people you see are in all of the resolve of the people of ukraine

in all of their resilience and righteousness. their willingness to fight for freedom and liberty. and the extraordinary tenacity and leadership of hazardous zalinski. in fact, joining me in munich, our distinguished members of the united states congress, republicans and democrats, members of the house of representatives, and the united states senate. and they are here to gather because they understand the stakes. the leadership of these members has been vital to america's support of ukraine and president biden, and i know that their support for ukraine will continue. we

also know ukraine will continue to be supported by a united trans atlantic community so that he could divide nato. remember where we were a year ago in this he has failed. the nato alliance is stronger now than ever before. and the united states commitment to nato and to its article find is iron clad. just look at our track record over the past year. just look at our multi lateral cooperation together. we have provided historical assistance to ukraine. together,

we had dealt russia a strategic failure together. we have imposed unprecedented cost on russia. and together we had pursued energy security and re invested in our collective defense. and we have come together to stand for our common values and our common interests and our common humanity. i have no doubt that this unity will endure. i also have no illusions about the path forward. there will be more dark days in ukraine. the daily agony of war will persist. the global ripple effects will continue to be found

by countries near and far from africa to southeast asia, to the caribbean. but if fulton thinks he can wait us out, he is badly mistaken. time is not on his side. to be sure ukrainians will continue to be tried and tested just as they have been over this past year. transatlantic unity will continue to be tried and tested. and i am certain that ukraine will rise to the task that the united states and europe will rise to the task. so my last point, america will continue our leadership in defense of human dignity in defense of rules and norms. and in defense of freedom and

liberty, there is too much at stake to do anything less americans know well the meaning of independence. we believe in the fundamental importance of sovereignty and rule of law. and we will always stand on the side of justice. colleagues, i do believe we all know when future generations look back at this moment. they will see that we understood the task before us and rose to this occasion. and so to you, i say the united states of america is proud to be your partner.

in this noble thanking you are thinking on day 2 of them, unique security conference to a big group of delegates from all around the world. we had a very strong speech from pamela harris, essentially giving reassurances to europe that the u. s. support for ukraine and nag. so was iron clad? thomas barrow? our security comp security analyst is here with me. a thomas, what did you make of what am carmella harris had to say? think well, come and harris will still be giving answers in that discussion with chapman, universe security conference because the voice can. so let's have a list crane and we have many, many representatives from ukraine here in the room. and they certainly were

reassured by what you have said. let me ask you m, you confirm this u. s. support, but we all know. and next year the united states will enter into an election campaign. and we are in a democracy. m. we know which side of the aisle and the result will be m. how sure are you? there are certain, are you that what you have said that them putin who wants to wait us out, that in the end he will not succeed. thank you, chris f. as i said, i believe and, and i believe american people understand the stakes and the stakes being our moral interest and our strategic interest. i will tell you i travel around the united states and i have seen the

ukranian flag fly in places. most of you have probably never heard of in the united states and store friends in front of home, people proudly wearing americans proudly wearing the colors of ukraine. the american people are aware of the images of boucher, the american people take great pride in a fight for independence that be part of the foundation of our nation and in our principles and values. i think about where the united states is going on this issue based on the track record of where we've been we only have to look at where we were

a year ago and where we are today in terms of the contributions and resources that america has put into everything from ammunition to artillery to air defense, from stingers to, to abram tanks, a high mars jacqueline, i look at it in the context of the united states congress, which is here in force. i'm told it is the largest delegation, bipartisan and by cameron of the united states congress to this meeting to this munich security conference and held forward the united states congress in a bipartisan way has been, in terms of the track record of our support, just over the last year, not to mention in a, it's a technical term called an omnibus in our budgetary processes. but at the end of

last year, dedicating another $45000000000.00 for this upcoming year to support ukraine. our priority is to ensure ukraine's the strength on the battlefield. and that is our commitment. and it is the commitment not only to the people of ukraine, but it is a commitment to our values and the principles we hold dear as a nation. and i cannot be here without also mentioning the importance of the alliance, europe and what it has done our host germany. i was with the chancellor schultz yesterday. what we collectively have done, we are not only joined, i think, by our values in our understanding of the stakes and what is at stake in terms of a moral in a strategic interest. we have been great colleagues in terms of pooling our resources, coordinating our resources in a way that i believe will give you crane and best support they need to fight this

fight. thank you. thank you very much for this and for the outsiders. it is indeed the impression that this relation to this trans atlantic relationship, the relationship also fusion european, the german government and the u. s. administration is as strong as ever and thank you very much for for this. and if i may, nevertheless, there is something called ira, yes. lation reduction ops and terms. it has erased a lot of concern on this side of the atlantic and but we have been reminded also by members of congress about c. m. on our side. yeah, m. how do we prevent trans atlantic rifts on very important christian business traits issues are very important to how confident are you that these differences can be overcome and don't disturbed this wonderful,

but absolutely necessary close transatlantic relationship and very happy that you just raised this topic. so let me start with the spirit and the intent behind the inflation reduction act on one very important an area of focus for us has been address and take our responsibility for what we must do in terms of the climate crisis. which of course is global in nature. and so, and in fact, our friends in europe have been asking for years that we would actually step up and do more. so under private president biden's leadership, we are proud that the united states has invested an historic amount in what we must do to take on our role of responsibility in the climate crisis. and by that, i mean, we have with the support of congress dedicated $370000000000.00 to this

effort. when i think of the impact on our friends and the interconnection and inter dependence, if you will, between whatever we do an each of our any of our nations and the effect on the others. we think of this investment is having a global impact. and in predominantly 2 ways, one, the united states, i'd say this sadly is one of the biggest emitters in the world. and we need to reduce our admissions, not only for the sake of the health and well being of the people of our own country . but as we know, the people of the world are impacted. so this is an in historic and, and very significant investment to actually turn the tide on that. and as you know, as, as many of our european friends and others around the globe have done, we have set strict standards for ourselves based on timelines. so there is that

which is the goal of reducing emissions. the other piece of it is we are very excited about thinking about the investment that we are making to spur innovation. we aren't entering a moment where we are creating a new economy, a clean energy economy. and it, if you think of us as being an investor, if you will, in creating incentives for the private sector for, for scientist and academics to research, develop and innovate around a clean energy economy. this investment that we are making will do that and have global impact. so that is how we think of it. but to your point, there are also issues that we need to address and do that in close consultation with our friends around the world. we have created a task force, the united states, each task force closely coordinating and in consultation around working out some of the specific concerns and those conversations are continuing. i met with president

my con yesterday and chancellor shelf, and i think we are seeing some progress there in the work will continue on. thank you for this re formation because we don't need this quarrels and then time if time allows m one last question. if i may, this munich security conference in is of course dedicated to ukraine to the support of ukraine to confirmed the trans atlantic alliance. but we have widened the participation this year. we have invited to record number of representatives from this so called global to south because why we have this unity between us. when you talk to representatives of the global 1000, we had them on the podium this morning. you see that many countries sit on the fence, they see this as kind of a continuation of the conflict between m u. s, and rusher or nato, and you and your european countries and,

and russia and they feel in the consequences. and they want to get it over with they have a cri, distant position there, and why we had. and you pointed to the 141 votes, him. but when you talk to important partners in the global said the they are, they abstain, they go say, get it over width, we don't want to take a take one site. and the point we making of course is this is not the east west. is this about the rude space internet, the rule of law that you mentioned, but we have to do some convincing because our track record is also not the best. so what can we do also together to win over those countries that continued to sit on the fence. oh, we have to treat them as partners and don,

you and i talked about this briefly as we were walking in and, and i thank you and i will thank you in front of the friends for, for bringing this issue to the stage and making it a part of the agenda for this conference, i agreed as an important subject, and it the i have met with many african leaders and leaders in the caribbean. the ad care come in southeast asia, and what i believe is that they are right to want to make sure their voices are heard on every level on this topic, including the impact to their nations. if you look at, for example, african nations and what the russia's aggression in ukraine has meant in terms of food insecurity, energy insecurity. and these are nations, as we know, that are great importers of food and energy. so when the supply decreases,

it has a significant impact on their nations. so i think it is important for us to recognize the impact that russia's war has had on these nations. i think of it in the context of what we must do to also on the previous discussion. consider the impact some of the biggest emitters and the impacts are clear. i meet with care come nations, so island nations in the caribbean. and they tell me about how they are seeing landey roshan, how they are seeing through the, through it the extreme climate occurrences, reduction and tourism. and what that means in terms of a depletion of their g and g d, p. and so these are issues that we must keep in mind when we, when we have this discussion with them as partners around what the solutions look like, including standing in a unified way on these principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity. my

friend, the president of garner, i believe, spoke yesterday, and i think he captured it. well, when i'm going to paraphrase. but my understanding is he said that we need to dispense with this paradigm that is about us versus them and think differently about the relationship that we have and for all of those reasons, i thank you for raising this, and i think it is worthy of the type of elevation and the discussion that you are giving up. thank you. thank you very much for this, and this will remain a theme here we'll discuss is also next year, and maybe a minimum vice president can be already booker hotel room. so you come back next year. thank you for being the year he's at handoff. you're watching d. w news and our special coverage of day 2 of the munich security conference.

you've just been listening to the music security conference checklist, of course can interviewing the us vice president carmella harrison, which she gave a very strong as speech and reaffirmed her country's trans atlantic alliance. she said that it is stronger than ever. joining me here now in the studio is our security correspondent, thomas barrow, and in munich, our chief international edits, richard walker, thomas, i want to start with you. what are your main takeaways from what we just heard from cumberland, or if i had to highlight one sentence from that speech from the conversation afterwards was when cameron harris said that the u. s. has formerly determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity in ukraine. these are some of the strongest words that we've heard from an international leader on this particular case. and it highlights the tons of coordinating and our national level late, how to prosecute,

how to deal with these crimes against humanity. a lot of focus has been placed in the last few weeks on how to help ukraine militarily, what kinds of weapons it needs, what kind of tanks needs, whether it needs also warplanes and so on. but there has been a similar effort on them more, maybe not as much in the mean was presently the media outlets, but certainly behind the scenes to try and understand how to deal with is net which is now being described formerly by the united states as crimes against humanity, that would have been gatherings by g 7, justice ministers, the u has announced further support for the international criminal court. this sentence by us, vice president common a harris will indeed put again the spotlight. not only on the military help that he crane will receive, but how those responsible for attacking ukraine will ultimately be brought to justice. so i think this is undoubtedly something very significant from kind of harris the speech. certainly, accountability was

a very strong theme throughout what carmella harris had to say over to you, richard walker in munich. what are your main takeaways from what you just heard yet? yeah, well i think i will pick up on that what, what thomas to said, and as you said, it, this team of accountability and this, this is a really key parts of canada. harris's speech in or she draw, drew on her own a former life as a prosecutor. she said, you know, she personally said, i know the legal standard of what it means to, to classify something as, as a crime against humanity. and she said that she had absolutely no personal doubt that that was the case. miss thomas said, they're all sorts of discussions going on about, well, okay, if that is to be established, how is that done a legal sense? is it something for the international criminal court? is it something for a special tribunal? ukrainians themselves are trying to do a lot of investigations or to try to gather evidence that selves on the ground. several european countries have a similar operations already underway. and i think the purpose of this is kind of

twofold. firstly, it, they're hoping to have a kind of deterrent effect that as long as russian soldiers are on the ground in ukraine, they want to kind of drum across that message that there will one day be accountability, hoping that there may be some deterrent effect to, to russian soldiers in their own actions on the ground, but also as a message to the rest of the world. we, we've been talking about this a lot today, but over this weekend here in munich, this idea that the west may be very united about this russian war in ukraine. but very significant other parts of the world, a very much on the fence and when to where says, well, russia has breached ukraine's territorial integrity. this sounds kind of rather dry . it sounds technical. and it also sounds like the kind of thing the united states has done quite a few times in the not so distant past. but when you start talking about

the kind of practices that have been seen in russia's conduct, the was not just the fact of the war, but the way that russia has been conducting this war with these accusations of war crimes on the ground. and also with actions like russian strikes against infrastructure against power stations, against the kind of plans that are, you know, keeping ordinary civilians warm during the winter. that this kind of action is really beyond the pale and hoping that this kind of evidence will also sway some minds, whether it's in china, whether it's in india, i'm countries that in there sort of strategic sense, maybe on the fence about this, what may be disturbed by this kind of evidence, okay, we actually have a sound bite from campbell horrors in which she is sort of indicating that you know time, according to her isn't on person side. let's listen to that. there will be more dark days in ukraine. the daily agony of war will persist.

the global ripple effects will continue to be found by countries near and far from africa to southeast asia, to the caribbean. but if potent thinks he can wait us out, he is badly mistaken. time is not on his side. that was us, vice president carmella harris. they're speaking a short time ago at the munich security conference, a strong words, thomas from camel harris time isn't on inside a she says you frequently have at the munich security conference, a speech by either the u. s. vice president as well as other important politicians from the united states. and it's always really important to hear what they say to somebody else was anticipated here in, in europe when it comes to the tribe. authentic relation when it comes to cooperation on many issues when it comes also to some of the problems that the u. s

. in europe might face or might be facing the same that we also heard, by the way, in the conversation that camera harris had after was with the m. s. c. the mean executor conference chairman, mr. hoist can. but in general, obviously the focus was on ukraine. the focus, again, was on the issue of accountability and added to what a colleague in munich richard walker already said. i would say that there's some, if you have to do with, with legitimacy when you have lead us. and we've had plenty of leaders in the last few days in the last few hours, talk about russia and it's war of aggression, a war on values that russia, russia, is breaching all sorts of international norms. you also have to put a focus on what consequences they will be and not only consequences on the military side, whether it is sending more tanks on more weapons to ukraine. but also what would happen to those responsible for committing those breaches or those that war on values as it's been described. so the focus on accountability will, i suppose,

continue also in the next few weeks in the next few months in that as part of that transatlantic relationship and much broader as well. to actually highlight shortly, strengthen that focus on making sure that those who are responsible of committing those crimes are actually brought to justice, whether it is at the international criminal court or the special tribunal, as richard mentioned. so in general, this idea of really focusing not only in the military side of things, but also on the aspect of accountability. i mean, you sort of hinted at it there, thomas. i wondering if maybe you could go into a little bit more as to is there it, you know, how can, how can russia be held accountable as, as kamala harris says, it needs to be well one issue, which is certainly being discussed, which is certainly being worked on it to try and find evidence. richard in unique pointed to the fact that ukrainians have been trying for a long time. not find gather evidence, but it's not only ukrainians. we've had from leaders from the g 7 for example, that they're trying to cooperate on that search of evidence. for example,

by speaking to some of the people who have fled, you crate some of the refugees in different european countries. and there's something particularly important for germany where you had over 1000000 people arrive from ukraine last year. so germany wants to play an important role when it comes to helping you create and helping other countries to gather evidence. and once that evidence is gathered, then you need to find a place to we actually take them. and one place that has been discussed is precisely the international criminal court. and in this particular case, the you but other institutions as well, have actually pledged more help as far as the de national criminal court of the i to see is concerned so that he can also step up and continue with its investigation . so okay, good. i thomas, i want to come back to you richard walker in munich. we heard earlier from our colleague terry sills, she was sort of indicating that europe was really looking for assurances that it's support for ukraine would not wave. did it,

did you get that indication from common hours of speech? well yeah, i mean i think coming to harris is very clear that her administration is absolutely committed to this. she made that pretty clear and that wrong, really, very great doubts within europe. that that is the case about the bite and ministration concerns really focus more on the republican party and the upcoming race. but for the presidency, mid term elections just recently, back in november in the united states. that means that there's been a shift in power in congress and the house of representatives, as part of congress, is now controlled by the republican party. and the senate is very evenly split and that is a minority. and the republican party, which is very skeptical of supporting ukraine. it's a kind of, you know, if you, we think back to donald trump,

it's kind of america tradition of donald trump. why should the united states be helping other countries to fight their battles? the u. s. has to look after itself, but now there's a pretty vocal minority in the republican party who follow those beliefs. you have a split in that party because the republican party, because traditionally has been very hawkish on defense. so what we don't really know yet is exactly how that is going to play out in the political dynamics of the next couple of years leading up to the next us election. donald trump is of course, competing to be the presidential candidate. he is also kind of had a pretty skeptical message about all of this has been going on. he has a history with vladimir putin, they've always seem to see why there's been a lot of head scratching about why they seem to be. so holly, he said essentially he just sat down with the regiment involved for now they would work this all out. and that is something that tends chills down the spines of the ukrainians and of him thinking what kind of deal might he wants to cut said that's

the source of the european uncertainties. not so much focused on you come to the harris, they're very happy with a bite, have ministration, but it's about what comes next. and that's the legacy of, of their trump. administration is shocked to the system in the shop to the transatlantic relationship is fear that something like it could always come back. richard, i kind of want to come back to something you told us a little bit earlier. and that is sort of what carmel harris had to say about winning over countries. i think her words were duck seats on the fence regarding ukraine. i think she sort of said, we have to treat them as, as partners. what's your take on that part of what she had to say? yeah, well this is really being quite an active discussion in here and there in the kind of under 70 constantly on the podium. but in the, in the sort of holes around here, where people in not having a lot of conversations here, all of the delegates sort of talking about what's going on and talking to some

delegates from what is broadly talked about, is the global service to hear back not matching america, africa, parts of asia. i'm feeling that essentially you have a very united west that is united in this anger about what the russians have done a condemning it is a breach mention national law and international norms and something that every right minded nation should condemn many countries thinking well, you know, that this sort of thing has been going on in our neck of the woods for a long time. and where were you? where were your concerns then? so it's, it's a very active theme, but what we haven't really seen so much from campbell harris is really spending out exactly why she wants to do it, but it's very much on people's mindset. that's right. okay, that was our chief international editor richard walker at the munich security conference, of course, in munich, here in the studio with me has been thomas barrow. our security correspondent, you have been watching special life coverage to day of the munich security

conference. we're going to take a break and be back in a little while with pot 2 of this afternoon's proceedings. my name is jared raid, here in berlin, coming up next on d. w is conflicts are in which asks what's next for you crime state where he's what it so he says the utopia would have thought bad the moisture even if there's no, no rage on the way you on it. that doesn't mean this piece yet. but spectrum here a t o you have to clog it yesterday. i escaped from the wall.

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the rising. we which my parents are now living with her and give when they so my mom, my dad and my grandma, are all living in a one room apartment in the kitchen. i think of a fading ramblewood. and that was in the hall. my grandma can't walk right now, she broke her leg just before the war started. so she's lying in bed now and they don't want to leave give, can you ever. ringback breathe, hide ammonia. oh, hello, donna. the cook, how you? oh okay. do you walk over to it? no. okay. or we did. did you have to go to the shelter today? oh, yes. one in the house. and then again, later, she'll you know, she or what do you think about my parents links 30 to the cooking? how can we get them out with if it's finished, we'll just let them, did you find anything out today? yes. yes, nichols. i found out about a rescue vehicle. i asked how many days would they be on the road?

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he wouldn't have been looking out for himself or working to help our country, not to pro man on the process, but taking care of me. are you sure? as i wish to put his name, your pro store fits the law if i'd stayed in ukraine, but i wouldn't have been much helped to him to my lawyer, new york. we love each other and do want to be together. harden your thoughts. show mcbride's that. assume oh yeah. does it on the shore? not great. i'm glad that we women had the option of deciding what role we want to play nice your to renew when am i probably dish with

a lamp. zada scalia. by now, i see ordinary unarmed people standing up against the tang mize and also in a bazillion. i wonder whether i am really a patriot as well as i did to you. but through i fled here to germany here, and i'm not bold enough to do something like that to defend kit advocate. a salute . younger brother. a short while ago there was an air raid shelter with bombs, exploding full good ball mama now in germany, in a place surrounded by forests and lakes. this year the miller ordered a dog. oh and grabbed it thief. you could actually feel very angry. like i hate the whole world sneaked shipping that i don't want to

be here that i want to go home or worship of what i just want everything to stop of the oldest horror. every one here feels the same way. why i'm of the, of the common ostrich yet till we are clear, they're got all on the group leader here and answer everyone's questions of the day in the mind. we make sure everyone has food to eat and close to where we we go, grocery shopping and cook to walk and try to structure the day for every one chance . love to have you here for a full list of shortly arrived here yesterday with my children have been here from the start and they came with the group. ah, your vehicle as it was? i drove from live in the hope that i could collect them and bring them home. because live is the safest city in ukraine is full. if y'all to cough. so i was

very optimistic until this morning when i saw the news about the attack on the arab, if military base it's just 40 kilometers from live and 20 kilometers from the polish border along with quite a bit more. i have for the school hall now. i'm not so optimistic, but prescriptive years. more per man, shallow water. i stayed in live up until now and carried on working. well, i just took holiday to come and pick up my children. cameras, latest models of wrapped up to the militia. you thought ukraine would win the world by the end of your holidays. a breath? yes. but oh, oh, yuck was before with that. oh, he'd been done yet, thought rosamond would i only ever talk to the group here in ukrainian yard. russian is my 1st language. even my grandparents spoke russian. you mom where you which keith, when you, excuse me,

but give our entire family comes from the low humphrey and done yet greeting good night school door before the war started on february 24th. no, i never had the feeling that i was doing anything bad by speaking russian or more jo hobohiner 100. but now my mother tongue is the language of the enemy. what it's you more for you jamming of georgia pre crochet and sad that i have something in common with russia that either a c o 2, because russia just invaded ukraine, claiming that we're not independent. and that is a large law firm that she ours. but all of this is what i packed on the 1st day on february 24th. when we decided to leave shopping, we didn't know where we were going all for how long is i m y e. i was panic, taylor, k e, and i knew it finance it's up for ya. rosamille as she up when you call you some.

were you the blog? my these are my degrees but that, that the a bachelor's law from done yet. and a master's in law from keir used to put all of a birth certificate. passport on the origin, your boss marriage, certificate i to sure more shall we serve as a log for some reason i took to lots of hand creams. ukrainian chocolates and canned food comes out of a said therapy right here on my warm clothes. it's short, a sweatshirt and 2 pairs of pansy football gear, 2 t shirts of mine and 2 that i borrowed from my husband for as long as we're not together walker's shop while he's in ukraine and i'm here and that i was on log in that will create your thought, it was fine you fully then at the last minute i thought well maybe it's also okay to take a cardigan, extend your snar, but sir, it's from santa schneider, ukrainian, designer, boucher. i really like her things. so you've been night in chicago. this is the only clothing that i have here that makes me feel better through you somehow. i

just feel better when i where it sort of thought eric was. when you're chris, i've always liked wearing cool things. oh, yeah, under blue cross near a chip. ah. ah sugar, he has another she my mom, i remembered my mother grabbing photos when she left on the it's gonna be a zillow. that's why i took the pictures that i don't have in digital phone looked around them wouldn't. and jim, this is my grand mom and she was younger little number. i'm ola dot. mm mm hm. i a dot us for us to fashion that avoid didn't start for me on february 24th la mine that said the war in ukraine started in 2014

. is that of all i should that marks the weights up, which was if to the nice tomorrow's, my parents were forced to move to p of in 2014, when russian forces marched into the donnie. it's andrew huns greeting and so high school, almost him, which gave will much not back. then they were just as confused as every one is to day. believe it was a humbling effect. farmer, they also thought the wool would be over to morrow, and they would be able to return home choice soft as off of so the kinship came up over the limits of the dormer. ah oh, julia goodness. but see, i think that's one of the reasons why the so difficult for them to leave, i think would be so great. i think my father is 66. my which mike, he just can't believe that he's losing his home for a 2nd time in the water per year at the flesh that once again,

he has to flee without knowing where he's going through. had article info and could be beat it. and that was a mutual could be oh, ah lou lou, lou louis b o b. ringback are hello, hello my mom. how are you? okay. because did you decide to switch? i? oh, what i considering the pros and cons. oclock was pros and cons . and i think the only advantage is is that we'd be in safety. i together with you. my boy. yes, operator and the cons includes

the risks on the road. mm hm. grandma's house during the trip. i believe that will get i don't want to leave your father. if we leave, we have to start all over again. when you decide to not necessarily with if it is just for a little while and we can come back sunday, but she'll tan you she. i wonder if we should leave at all your young and full of energy. i'm not, i've already considered all the options. good options that are online cheryl, it's difficult. i don't want to talk about it. it's risky trying to protect grandma both here and on the road. but that's life. we at some stage we have to say good bye to our parents closure. that's how it is. a month long there was a pros,

arsenal, but you are putting you grandma and grandpa in the grave, just because you're not young up to the spiritual, we've got a good option for transporting grandma. she'll be lying down, you will have support if the show the point and this won't go on forever. you don't have to start a new life here. we'll go back for sure. ok. mom, mom i need you to design is not very to figure amused. this is jordan, you may be to day i started to see her point of view. let's see again, the more so i can't influence her decision. you're chris thought. a situation, i feel like i have to stop trying to convince her, but i thought you put on cornel a 3 if she has little space, i'm safe here. and it's important for me to fight russia from head would a short,

short full of water. now, i'm not sure what to do. so i've decided to come to berlin to take part in a big protest rally weekly for ukraine through a korean oh oh, my dubois kicked out the theatre in my vehicle was destroyed, and people were using it as a bomb shelter. yet e v. course dollar got the ship's hold on a week before the war. we went past that theater. the person there was a line of people waiting to go in with doctor or it tumble up. gar. valeca shareholder. i was really impressed that people were so interested in art that they were willing to wait in the cold to get in to, to the took hor church of grotton,

which was that's the why, even the truck and when i saw now that it was just destroyed and with people inside core, we apple watch. hola, she all prostate room. wally's room was room valid to ducal with unbelievable do oh he just lost a little what say i held up his sign in 2014 with the words no war but it was a ford of all us as us at the time i was really worried about my home town i saw as a click on the new day, i wanted to convince people in kiff and the rest of ukraine to join together and prevent the warrant on yet schools through a really the natural this, each of us have their own. what or it's as other law, visually in 2022, a week before russia attacked give free. i also protested with

a sign afterward professor extra what, which does, but a fit to defend peace in europe. we must stop putin and his warn ukraine. fortune off the greenish avoidance. mm. ah, a warden usually shall at the demo today. my sign just says opt on. i want my life back like back because we've all lost on a . ready ah, ah my mood high

grandma hello my dear my video, look, i'm wearing a ukrainian flag lum in berlin. i miss you was a school. now you in berlin. a i'm here for apprentice talk. i'm going to speak at a rally model with the boy. well done, you an activist. good. i got that from you grandma. what. what do you wonderful. i listen to the radio. watch, tv. those. i'm back on the right. yeah. they're only talking about the wall on the radio. it's just wall $520.00. and holly new hampshire, b it today, there was souls. he just b as a new songs about the war the seeing a little or because i don't worry grandma. okay,

so i'm staying in bed. the trip is too dangerous. so we'll hide out here. i've already lived through a war once by hiding if i can survive another one on the same way or someone will if you are okay grandma. so i'm using this, i have to go to the protest. so let me look at my clock, grandma, tell them you represent her next ukrainian denette right here on your marks, grandma's for which i'm not sure what it is . it will show emilio. playful. it's own talk was not only form that made you write a good start down my name. you want to go?

i typed in my name is tanya, and i'm proud to be ukranian. i lost my home in 2014 in vineyards. because 14 in his army occupied it to my home town. i lost my home for the 2nd time this month in t u. because rush in the army. i take to, oh great. you all know this more. it's not about you crazy, right? you all know that this war is a case. hold you up. i'm asking you to make a pressure on your permanent, do not use russian guess lease who all was home and they really wanted my life back with

a don't know what the threat of off that say, how long will the school longer term lisa, years of my life, but it kicked in jason over to 131 now to basic. and i feel like for the next 10 or 20 years, i'll either be running away from this war or i'll be financing it, of course, mental health issues. it'll be my life will just pass by this way. it's not pretty bad. no, you're sure john. hey, with

ah, the munich security conference 2023. this year's meeting is tasked with a total order brushes log scale war of aggression against ukraine has been going on for one year. now the main question, not the top level meeting is what will prevail, the strength of the law or the law of the strong bucks topics such as the climate crisis in poverty are also on the agenda. the meaning security conference, 2023 wrote, you know, platforms on d. w ah 1414, in real time on social media. if it's in distance, wind or the digital battle lines being drawn, the propaganda war for ukraine. russia's warri crane one year since the invention began. we take a look back and into the future. it's been slowly in

february on d, w. ah, ah, this is d, w. use live from berlin, a stern warning from the us, vice president to russia as well. lead as gather at the munich security conference, as the ukraine war dominates proceedings come, la harris states. russia is guilty of crimes against humanity and warns vladimir putin that time is not on his side. also coming up the battle for the ukrainian city of back mo, to righteous on the hate of rushes. wagner group claims made gains, taking

a nearby village, but keep in washington, se documents defenders are inflicting huge casualties on the mercenaries. class police in pakistan, regain control of their karachi headquarters after it was stormed by taliban government. the attack comes just weeks after a bomb lost. killed the offices and a police mot. ah, i'm jared res. thank you for your company today. global leaders are meeting here in germany for the 2nd day of talk at the munich security conference. it's widely considered the world's most important international defense event. global efforts to help you crane defend itself against russia. invasion, remain a key focus today. speakers have included the finish, prime minister, santa marine stressed her nation's efforts and commitment to join alongside sweden

and european commission, president of underline, condemned to what she called russian imperialism. nato secretary general n dalton book, also spoke of the shifting global security warning. dr. what's happening in europe today could happen in asia. tomorrow. we have much more press. well us vice president, pamela harris also spoke a bit earlier and she had these pointed words for russian president vladimir putin . there will be more dark days in ukraine. the daily agony of war will persist. the global ripple effects will continue to be felt by countries near and far from africa to southeast asia, to the caribbean. but if potent thinks he can wait us out, he is badly mistaken. time is not on his side. the you

with vice president there will d, w chief international editor richard walker is following this conference. here's how he summarized pamela harris's speech. and what his main takeaways, what well, yeah, i mean, i think coming harris is very clear that her administration is absolutely committed to this. she made that pretty clear and that wrong, really, very great doubts within europe. that that is the case about the bite and ministration concerns really focus more on the republican party and the upcoming race. but for the presidency, mid term elections just recently, back in november in the united states. that means that there's been a shift in power in congress and the house of representatives, as part of congress, is now controlled by the republican party. and the senate is very evenly split. and

that is a minority in the republican party, which is very skeptical of supporting ukraine. it's a kind of, you know, if you, we think back to donald trump, it's a kind of america tradition of donald trump. why should the united states be helping other countries to fight their battles? the u. s. has to look after itself, but now there's a pretty vocal minority in the republican party who follow those beliefs. you have a split in that party because the republican party, because traditionally has been very through hawkish on defense. so what we don't really know yet is exactly how that is gonna play out in the political dynamics of the next couple of years. leading up to the next us election, donald trump is of course, competing to be the presidential candidate. he is also kind of had a pretty skeptical message about all of this has been going on. he has a history with vladimir putin. they've always seem to see why there's been a lot of head scratching about why they seem to be. so holly, he said, essentially he just sat down with writing me

a call for now they would work this all out. and that is something that chose down the spines of the ukrainians and european thinking. what kind of deal might he wants to cut? so that's the sort of the european uncertainties, not so much focused on. you can le harris, they're very happy with. as i said, this ration but it's about what comes next in that's the legacy of their trump administration is shocked to the system in a shock to the transatlantic relationship. is fear that something like it could always come back because that was d, w. d w's chief international editor, richard walker, who is following the munich security conference for awesome. we'll be going back to the conference in around 45 minutes time. here on d. w. all move on now to other news and the bloody battle for the easton, ukrainian city of back note is writing on russia's. wagner. grouped mercenaries say they've taken control of a village, just north of that city, but it hasn't been independently confirmed. the fight for back moon has become the

longest running battle of russia's war with staggering casualties. for the wagner conflict, a convict forces leading this assault, pounding away at their rush, an attack is fending off the relentless, sold on buck moot. these a wagon group leader yevgeny. pre goshen has claimed his troops have taken a village just outside the city. but ukrainian soldiers make clear how the russian advances here have come at huge cost and they're, they're sending a lot of troops. i don't think that sustainable for them to keep attacking this way . they're just there. there are places where their bodies are just piled up. there there's a trench where they just don't evacuate their wounded or killed and they just leave them there and send more waves and waves of people. the u. s. says the tactics are

all part of the wagner groups disregard for its own men's lives. the worst suite, i do want to say this about divine group and it, he, in particularly with respect to back move. i mean, again, they're treating their recruits largely convicts as basically as cannon fodder. throwing them into a literal meat grinder here in human ways without a 2nd thought. m. o ukrainian soldiers have been defending the shattered city for months. now they say western equipment like these bushmaster armored vehicles provided by australia is helping government. but that more is urgently needed. not only did the either budget give us more military equipment, more weapons, and we will deal with the russian occupier, but we will destroy them rather than that. but a more here. modern western tanks are set to arrive soon. ukrainian troops already learning how to operate these german made leopard twos here in poland. but for now

back moods defenders will have to keep working with what they've got. police in pakistan's largest city of karachi said i'd get regained control of their headquarters after it was attacked by taliban gunman. for people including 2 police officers were killed in the attack. official say, while all 3 taliban fighters died. now this incident comes just weeks after a bomb blast killed more than 80 officers at a policeman. an explosion at police headquarters in karachi. oh, are you not every jo? the blast came after several hours of intense gunfire between police and the 3 taliban militants. dozens of offices were hold up inside the compound after the militant storm, the building reportedly wearing police uniforms and a lead police unit paramilitary ranges, and army snipers. quickly surrounded the 4 story building. officials say the

operation ended when one of the taliban fighters blew himself up. the other 2 died from gunshot wounds in there. really is being done in solar. everything that we do offer the opportunity successfully. and leaders, officials say 3 security force members and a civilian were killed in the attack. and other 18 security officers were wounded. the taliban issued a short statement, claiming responsibility. it comes just weeks after a taliban suicide bomber blew himself up, had a mosque inside the police headquarters in the northwest and city of per shower, which killed at least $84.00 people. the attacks indicate the pakistani taliban as stepping up their efforts to overthrow the government as hopes fight of

finding people alive. the world's attention is turning to those who survived the massive earthquake that he, turkey, and syria. the un is, if you're appealing for 1000000000 us dollars to address the growing humanitarian crisis, nearly 2 weeks on millions in both countries remain displaced. people are sleeping outdoors and living without food, water, or toilets raising fears of further disaster from disease. many syrian refugees are even choosing to return to the country. they fled, lining up at border crossings with whatever belongings that they managed to salvage . kristin hel, burke is a journalist and an expert on syria. earlier we asked her whether there will be enough aid flowing from turkey into syria after more crossings, or it is by far not enough. what we're hearing from northern syria is that clinics and hospitals are really running out of medical supplies. there's a leg of baby baby powder in the region. what we've seen so far,

114 trucks by they go and crossing into north and syria for population of almost 4000000 in need. so this is not enough. and we're having a via hearing some assessment reports that are saying that 88 percent of the syrian earthquake victims live in the opposition. her territories by 12 percent live in the regime her territories. but on the other hand, it is 90 percent off the international aid that is going to the regime. so it's a quite unfair distribution of 8. that's kristen. holberg fair. well, we're going to take you to a completely different story altogether now, and that is of course, the competition for the prestigious golden beer prize which has opened at the berlin international film festival. 19 films, a vine for the top award. many of the containers are focused on women and outside the main competition. there's a documentary about the abuse of women's rights in iran that has made its world premiere frayjana. after a 19 year old gray honey jabari killed the man and was trying to rape her. she

faced the ross of iran's patriarchal justice system after 7 years of imprisonment and legal battles against the regimes, blood vengeance system. she was hanged, german director, stephanie, that's all tales. her story in her debbie feature, 7 winters in tehran, made in conjunction with joe barry's family, who now live in berlin. it combines interviews, home, movies, and footage that had to be secretly smuggled out of iran. the film opened the festivals german cinemas section outside the main competition. fellow german director, emily ar test, who also has a rainy and roots. premier hern you found someday we'll tell each other everything . it also features a strong 19 year old woman in our taps film. she has a steamy secret affair with a much older man. the film is an adaptation of german author,

danielly cleans best selling novel and a longstanding passion project for r t f. as 181718 year old you you feel you want to have fuel like like the heroines of duster if you want to feel love, you want to have a man that takes you a woman that takes you and you want a few of that though you don't dare and it's through cinema that sometimes you learn the 1st and timothy actually, and that interested me to show from a female perspective, relative newcomer molina ball turns in an intensely textured performance. the film is in competition for the bears. it's up against the survival of kindness from australian director rove to hear an allegorical tale about a black woman left to die in a cage in a desert. the largely silent film is set in a dystopian world where white men in gas, moth hunt,

and enslaved people of color. and there's a fatal rush going round fridays. premiers were dominated by stories about strong women facing existential crises. there was a strong showing from female german directors and performances that may well attract the attention of the international jury. finally, now brazil's rio carnival is back in all its glory now that pandemic restrictions have been lifted. take a look. ah, the party kicked off with this character, he's known as king, my mar, holding the symbolic key to the city. according to tradition, he rules re, are during the full day celebrations. nearly 50000000 people are expected to join in with her which peak with glittering floats pulsating drums and lavish costumes. ah.

looks great. it's a reminder now of the top story by following for you at the munich security conference u. s. vice president campbell harris has said russia is guilty of crimes against humanity and she's warned. vladimir putin a time isn't on his side. that's your news for now. up next is world stories will have more from the media conference in half an hour every day for us and for our planet. global ideas is on its way to bring you more conservation. how do we make cities greener? how can we protect animals and their habitats? what to do with all our waste?

we can make a difference by choosing reforestation over deforestation recycling over disposable smarten solutions over steam set in our ways. earth is truly unique and we know that that uniqueness is what allows us to live and survive global ideas. the environmental c global $3000.00 on d, w, and online. as the war intensifies in ukraine conflict zone is that the munich security conference to off what next? whole ukraine brit allied for moscow. just how secure is western support is nato in danger of packing down in the face of nuclear blackmail to moscow. and how might this war finally come to an end? in the last week, nato has run a very loud alarm. bell, president, putin, it said,

is preparing for more war. just as the west seems to be running out of the ammunition and weapons that if urgently needs. so just how dangerous is the current situation? where might be conflict? go from here to discuss these questions, i'm told by senior political figures from across the west of the lines mateus, where skis, prime minister, opponent capital in color. now who's foreign minister france. alexander cooper. cough is you can in deputy prime minister for restoration. mitch mcconnell, republican senator, for the state of kentucky and senate minority leader, i carry you also the longest serving senate party leader in us history, alexander co broke off. let me start with you. we had a very impassioned plea from presidency. lensky today to speed up, supply speed up, weapons deliveries. how critical is the situation? i think station is always critical. and i think our, our life gay mistake,

if you asked me what i'd like to change. i think 1st of all, bill was like trying to catch up rush on some fits enough agenda when situation become critical, receive an anti punk like when you receive and let us deal with it later. 155. and then again, we're trying to get up and receive an added defense, samsung events, i think the president absolutely right. when he's trying to race, trying to say that speed is critical because during this p to the family losing people, our, our with people, as he said, lives if dependent on speed. absolutely right. just 2 examples. if i questions regarding flight and just like complicated critical, but why we can start bringing program, follow up pilots at this moment to be strong signal for rations for everybody. again,

more complicated questions russians they use and each day class that one use them for, for some nation each day. again, it's complicated, but our people then in bottled and almost you received this to the, someone you sent to the paper from when you why we can use it. i mean it's, i what that if that is understand how it's complicated over conventions, but we can use to receive them on our d to use such i'm when you should our campus, our life, us my now as a company we have millions of rounds of such type, why would a and again we will wait, wait, wait, and then in one day probably we will receive such type of formulation. but again, the lesson is where it comes with thousands and thousands of people in turn to add to the sense of alarm. the washington post reported this week, the senior us administration official had raised the issue of limits to what america can supply this war. we will continue said the official to impress on the

ukrainians. we can't do anything and everything for ever. do you find that worrying? i think right, well like technically limitations on the 10th of future order. thousands of 1000 rounds. they use in each day and we are receiving more from another side from rational side because they have future to do. they have iran on their side, they have a mother competence, they can use the money. ready they prepare it to this for, for many years. so we can assume that probably some technical limitations, but i don't believe. and i still, i still believe that our life us all over but from there. but in order to provide the required williams mateusz motor via sky, seen from warsaw. does the west does? nato have the will and right now the capacity to give you what it needs to win.

what i hope so by the way, by this logic of you know, we've given enough and then let ukrainians do their job well, they are actually dying on the front line and they are doing this for their own sovereignty and freedom, but also for our security and peace in europe, so if we want to have, and we do want to have all of us to create a long lasting development climate and peace. we have to change the logic. we kind of say, well, the ukraine cannot be defeated and russia cannot win this war. that this is wrong. we have to say, russia must lose this war, and ukraine must win this war. because that's a,

that's, that's, that's a change of mind. you ask about the united states? well, like if united states want to stay a superpower and they already are friends from america already and counted some defeat in gunnison, they cannot allow for another defeat in failure in ukraine. so i think that ukraine yancey cranial soldiers and government prisoners skewed they are doing all possible to, to win this war. and we have to do all of our and to support your trying to win this war. will you supply the f? 16 fighters? i got your president isn't to have we have pretty few of them. we have not, not too many of them, but we, we did. we do agree on delivering jet fighters other type of jeff to find us read the which are in our possession together with the other parts of natal decision,

by the way, poland deliver to ready to come to the 50 tanks. and on top of those, we are going, going to deliver 60 quite mother nice tanks. and on top of this pyramid, we're going to deliver 14 lippard tanks. so probably the highest, the biggest numbers of arm v cars and tanks. ready was delivered from poland. kathleen collar. now, how long do you think the west can continue to supply ukraine at current and projected levels for ammunition and weapons? as long as it takes would be my on for you hold on my call today saying that we would like to see the school going on for so long. but we are ready to support a plan, as long as it took so long as it takes us to do what this is not to do. what we're doing. that is when or that has defeating russian aggression. it's probably a good to go what the prime minister side and doing what we've during since

raphael's day, helping to clean both by the can. we were giving you money to tell you name it now so many aspects and military. and we just decided altogether to do more and to do it swiftly so we can really be side by side with the current. so again, not only resist this aggression but succeed in the military search we expect to see in the near future. however long that may take, i don't know. no, i'm sorry, your commitment is for however long that may tell yes. because there's no end point to that as far as you're concerned. mitch mcconnell, when president biden says the u. s. will stay the course with ukraine. what do you take that to me? well 1st i don't know who that quote was that you started this discussion was from the washington post, but that's obviously a person who doesn't know what they're talking about. so let me just tell you what

the people who are actually elected office and who actually make the decisions about how long america is committed to this. think russia has to lose and you're crying. and we can't put a time limit on it. but the one thing we can do to address the problem that was raised by our friend from ukraine. speed up the decision making, get the weapons there quicker. the whole, the french production throughout nato is under stress. there's no question about we're providing a lot more ammunition weapon systems and we were anticipating but we need to speed it up to cut through the oxy. get you the weapons you need as soon as you need them . so you can win the war joe, as far as i'm concerned, and i think i can speak pretty thoroughly for most of the members of my party in

congress. were in this to win because losing is not an option. imagine how much it would cost all of us, all of us it russia want. and what about the implications in the far east when prime ministry, japan said the single most important thing you can do to send a message, a president, she is a b, and then ukraine. you know that this has worldwide implications. so we need to change our thinking. bob gates, who was one of the great secretaries of defense in the united states, i served under both bush and obama, said that after the cold war, we all took a holiday from history without. we're never going to have evil on full display. again, everything should be just fine. well, evil is back and peace through strength is the only way to deal, and i don't know what the present but what the future can we talk?

can we talk a little bit about the prospects, one day of peace negotiations? the cobra of president zelinski says, this war will end only when all russian forces leave ukraine. when you territorial integrity is restored. a special tribunal is set up to try russians accused of war crimes. do you think that president putin will ever agree to those conditions? i think it doesn't matter whether he be real or not. i think we have to deal with that. if we have to restore our bullet or we have to bring my laptop, our country doesn't matter who put in or put in a little bit somebody instead of him, we have to blow a joke because our less there is i have to lose. but you're saying there will be no

diplomacy ending this war. this is louis war ends on the battlefield starter, just as far as you can. so catherine calona, should the ukraine be fighting and talking peace at the same time? was that possible? not for the time being. now there is a road to peace and presidency as always been looking for the log and looking for peace. enjoying recently with us at the 1st time he's talking about daylight and peace included with tank point piece point presented at the d 20 in november. and there were 2 piece according to me is paved with a few my stows. the 1st one is unity. and it is important that from this conference comes a message of unity, unity and determination to go on as not as needed. a 2nd, we must, may, presumptive realised that it did make a mistake. this happens, it did make

a blatant mistake. things didn't work the way, thought the wood care didn't fall in 48 hours. it kind was about to buy control from your son and again and again. and nature was about to be enlarged. the europeans had been united. i could go with a long list. and thirdly, we have to make clear that there would be something after the war. and i think that kind of looking for it. but the precondition to that is for this aggression to be defeated as a precondition to any possible in evolution to us 2nd face, there will be a 2nd phase war to an always by we still unfortunately the 1st phase where there must be something visible. so hopefully a 2nd base can be started. mitch mcconnell, the chair of the u. s. joint chiefs general mark,

milly said last week that he still believes this war will end at the negotiating table with neither side likely to achieve the military aims. how widely do you think that view is shared in washington? well, it's always difficult to predict exactly how wars going to end. what we have here is a clear case of one country and waiting another and until the ukrainians have a contrary view. my view as they ought to determine on what terms the war ends and at least at the so far what i hear you saying. what i hear you are president say is that when you get your country back at 200 and so i don't think we ought to be negotiating a solution for the ukrainians that they may not be able to live with. i think our goal particularly immediately get them what they need,

get it to them as rapidly as possible and give them every chance to win. and the ukranian stay in the driving seat when the negotiations start. if the negotiations look, i think the definition of victory ought to be left up to those who are affected but the most. in other words, i'm not in favor of all of us ganging up, enforcing a solution onto the ukrainians that they may not be able to live with. so we have to focus on right now, getting them what they need to win, divide the cash. what are the sky zalinski is putting demands on the table? we mentioned some of them from ponens vantage point. are they realizable? i believe so, i think thinks which were beyond the imagination of the beginning of the war. started to realize they will do it doable. at the beginning of the war,

there were hot countries hesitating, the se, sending home that's or, or bullet profess to, to ukraine. and we sent the armored vehicles and then left part tanks and the pottery patriot systems are now in the ukraine. and now we talk and you asked me about fighter jets. so i think that everything is possible and even you know, the, the, i can imagine that the actual race, accelerated path for ukraine to, to the european union is also very important for a requisite, for, for not only keeping cap hopes for the ukrainian nation and soldiers but also providing ukraine with a longer term strategy and vision of ukraine being part of the european union. so yes, and while i was on the eco senator said about potential

scenario. so getting out of this war, this is all apt to ukraine. how to define victor, victor, in how to define the scenario piece. you, you talked about ukraine's application to join the you and, and it was to join nato as well. of course this, do you think these applications should be fast tracked? i think so. well, like what we, if we want, if you want the crew to be part of the stable system of free world and europe in particular, we don't want to ukraine to be a buffer zone zone, a clash between different systems. and for this to happen, we need ukraine as part of europe and union, and as part of nato eventually as well. and from our point of view the creek or the better during the visit last week to brussels, president lansky told the european council president shall,

michelle. he wanted accession talks to open this year, saying it would motivate the country and the army this year shall. when i say this year, i mean this year 2023 coupling color, the message get through the message is getting food. the really t will be that the commission will make as it is planned and agreed. an assessment this spring than delivered into a paper this fall and we shall see. we really opened the door to the recognition of the status of being candidate to can i think trans played a key role then forgive me for remind event we were sharing the rotating presidency of the council of the you present my call traveled to kiff just a few days before the commission delivered the opinion that accession, then we have to follow the path. it is no merrick bass pass,

i think because of the risky and knowledge that reforms must be done and that we shall see down the road. what this assessment would be in the fall and see from that? well, this could take years to say on out, you know, depending on the marriage is the only rule we have to follow. but doesn't it bother you at all? while the you acknowledges that ukraine is fighting and dying for things that europe believes in, at the same time, it's telling persons or landscape that so very well. but we have rules, enough bureaucracy, and you have to follow that ukraine is fighting a superpower for it's very survival. should it get fast track membership just for that? it's not for everything else. forgive me to disagree with. you does nothing to do with bureau kasey and everything to do with obsession process that everybody's aware of. and that means that the country want to join are most welcome to join. we did open the door or repeat of to do what is necessary to come closer to us and

then join. everybody knows that this is the rule of the game summary of sky. when i take that we, we now observe completely in your situation around us. there was no full scale war, sees the end of the 2nd world war in europe. and this should lead us to think out of the box. and there is a lot of red tape, lots of red tape in brussels and you know, business issues, what type of considerations with regards to the accession process. whereas i do believe that we have to be brave. today we have to go on this accelerated pass because things happen and ukraine of our, of extraordinary nature. what is happening there? we'll, we'll shape the future of europe for d. case,

and we cannot pretend that this is norma conflict us. many of them were before in europe. this is why i was happy. why? like i was saying in march let, let's give candidates factors for ukraine, which several countries set definitely not over. might that, but hopefully it happens there after quite soon, because in june 2022 we have accepted this, this candidate status. but today we need to have a very accelerated pass. mitch mcconnell, what about ukraine joining nato? should that be an accelerated past job on is when the warm and let's go back to the point. you know, this has implications far beyond the current conflict. huge implications in asia. we all know the p r c covets taiwan.

so just for a moment, let's take a look at asia our secretary defenses. recently in the philippines, negotiating new arrangements with them. the japanese, much like the germans, have completely changed their post forward to view of the role that they ought to play in the world. in a positive direction, almost like an unofficial member of nato out out in asia. so this saves here or, or even beyond just europe. and even beyond just the future of your country. this has to do was standing up a mechanism, an alliance to deal with the biggest threats we have. and they're basically china

and russia talking of high stakes. putin is already russell. the keys of is nuclear missiles in the west has stepped back, anxious not to escalate the war and push booting into pressing the button. has it been right to do that? is that not giving into nuclear blackmail? well, how many times the threatened to do things since the war began, you can't make the ukrainian strategy or the know does strategy dependent about what click potent claims he might do, and he's determining how the war is conducted. i think we're with all due respect, all of these hypothetical or interesting discussions. but for those of us who are actually voting on these matters, i think we need to focus like a laser on what's needed right now. and it's getting your great answer weapons i need as rapidly as they can, because winning is the answer to this winning is the answer very briefly,

because we're running out of time. can we just look to the future cutscene color? now, how does france think this war will end? how yeah, by a discussion. whenever you kind is ready, all the terms and decides to put on the table. and we are here to help kind to be in that situation where all of us can envisage that we reached that phase where new cycle begins the page. but in order to have that political perspective trans is needed trans is needed. and this is lois speeded up, what we're doing. we need to deliver what we have to deliver swiftly. and we need to focus on those elements that kind of nice. i mostly for the time being the correct me, if i'm wrong, i'll tearing i munitions and defense. the debate about the rest can be there. it is

not exactly what it needs full time and we need to be there in due time. so the can build on what that will help we give. and as i mentioned, research that might change the focus. and my change may be the view that mr. put in, has a reason situation or a polling worn for years about russia's aggressive intentions, and no one listened in your view has moscow's appetite for expansion. been sated or stimulated by the experience in ukraine is put in still a threat to poland. the baltic states? absolutely. so it depends. the answer is it depends on the outcome of this, of this work. we want to hope for the best. we just wrap it, defeat of russian truth, but we have to be patient. we have to count with long lasting conflict, and this is why i'm a bit unhappy when i hear voices off,

you know, calls for quick negotiation process to be finalized by ukrainian. they know best what it, what it means for their future. but i, i believe that the public opinion in russia is different than our public opinion. 14 is different and they have lots of patients. we have to have lots of patients in terms of this conflict. unfortunately, this means that for a long time, we have to be able to deliver weapon and more with a more supply, more humanitarian aid. this is what would be my my thinking in the near future, alexander co broke off. what kind of ukraine do you see emerging from this war? when it finishes? i think 1st of all, we need to in the store, we have, we have split a complicated when our people suffered and but again, i'd like to the mindset of ideas regarding the negotiations. we already have the

experience that we will use to be to be strength of the adamant to produce more rounds on and to start again. so we won't agree and we have full research. it's also with there showing that 90 plus percent of our people that read again to fight to feel then before moving before interval after after that i simply will be claim will be part of european union. and i think our army will be one of the most brilliant and strongest, which will be part of later after the war. and you think you think you'll be living in a much more dangerous world next to russia after this. i hope that the to been different for bills and other people in russia. right. run in russia for i thank you very much indeed. and we're going to close

that part of the discussion. now i will take will take some questions. i think the swedish defense minister has a has a question. if we can get a microphone to him, please. thank you very much and thank you for fascinating discussion, sweetness currently holding the press don't say rest. assure our top priority cease to support for ukraine economic, political, for monitor and military. now i have a question for, for the prime minister of poland. thank you for your leadership in supporting ukraine and also for hosting the training mission human ukraine. that's good. now the challenge we have is that we're all digging deep into our stockpiles and our military resources are not unlimited. so i'm wondering how potently, thinking about how, when, when you come to be replacing the military capabilities that you're sending to you . great. now, due to the pressure on the european defense, industrial base, thank you. well, like the thing, thank you for this question. first,

let me express my happiness from the point of view of sweden and finland joining nato. that's quite a change for nato. it's put in with not expect to attack that i think they will, but that's, that's, that's quite a change from the point of view of all the stockpile and all the weapons which we have delivered. we are changing our industry. we are creating new technology lines to replace the weapon, which we would have sent to ukraine with new weapon. good example is garbage, us cut up, which we've sent for ukraine. they are very good on the battlefield. and we have accelerated production of them domestically. we are buying new ones from south korea. we have put even more or there's in the united states companies to

deliver. hi, maurice and other other type of weapon. but in all i know there are shortages of munitions shortages of lots of weapon. and this is why collectively in europe and in the united states and in japan and the other 3 world countries we, there's lots of, you know, waking up from the political slumber and creating new options. new possibilities to produce more. i'm a nation, each weapon of different kinds and this is what we are doing. and we got some kept feelers of on a replacing this type of weapon which we've sent to ukraine. i have this is race with time to some extent. so it's a challenge. it's a challenge for before poll on this well, but we do want to be generous and quick and delivery and quip onto ukraine

because this is where the fight now happens. here. the questions 30 here in the front in the front. thank. thank you. could find some european council on foreign relations. i'd love to take a little bit deeper into this question of you accession, because prime minister, you said we should be brave, this shouldn't be business as usual. well, i understand that this isn't about the commission picking up the phone quick more quickly and answering to emails quick more quickly. so this is about real concessions in the accession process, right. could you point to things that we, in your opinion could actually do without and could abandon? what are, what are the compromises that you would really need to make on the kind of accession steps because you know, as the fridge for 4 minutes. a pointed out there are, there are certain rules and there are certain chapters that one needs to open into

place. so what exactly are you pointing at that we could do without? thank you. your crime is fighting today for the most critical, most important values. european values, free world values like freedom, independence, right, to live and those type of values. so we cannot confront this what is happening in the ukraine with the normal or almost normal process of accession. either we start thinking in a, in a new way out of books these times are we lived, lived through the turning moment in history. and we have to change almost everything in europe. we have to therefore create new process for ukraine. accelerated path is synonym for this, but what, what, what may it look like?

i'm not so sure i'm if you ask me if i was in favor of abandoning the normal roots on to accession. my answer is yes. of course. yes. because the what is happening before our very isis is something completely strategic context for ordinary. and we cannot let this country negotiate us if it was a normal candidate to. ready european union, just an addition maybe to the prime minister site. i think it is out of scope and out of reach to abandon, you know, a precondition. and this is that it would support me in saying that reform is needed. whether it is, you know, the legal system that just judicial, forgive your system, the fight against corruption. so many things. so the question is not so much to lower the level and do sort of a mini accession. but i'm happy when i'm in agreement with the prime minister of

talent to do what he just said, we should do. and we'll do an ordering. that is accelerate, help you know how to kind of come and join us. and this is partly what we're doing with the european political community. the 1st meeting was a new job. the 2nd meeting would be in june in the java. and part of the id is knowledge of your group of $44.00 countries and the look at the map is interesting . but to design some programs, that could be exit writers, pre accession programs, whether it is energy transport, some things. and this is a big way to help, and i think this is part of the reasons why you come from the very 1st day supported. that idea. your reaction to that. i think we're in

a complicated we are in, in parallel fight in battlefield to his russian and trying to implement to its way to just speak all the 3 forms and, and the think. i hope that the relations this here will be positive and we will open this bras. how question to mitch mcconnell. mathematically, our military already defined jointly with american partners and other partners. what is needed for when to when? what kind of equipment is needed to in and militarily, it is important to have modern fighter jets without modified to jet fighter jets b are not able to win. and without taking bag crimea, we are not able to wean. and absolute majority of ukrainians, one to get crimea back. moreover, world foot security depends on capacity of ukraine to get that crimea and unblock

black supports. so it's the fake, not all new ukraine, but of 350000000 people who are in hunger have ever in use. we are hearing that prison by then said no to f. 16 and the were publications know, do you claim in the military even thinking now to take back premium? when do you think center this opinion in the u. s. will change? well my answer, as i said earlier, i think the ukrainians are best able to determine what they can live with and there's no question the crime was taken without much of a conflict. but in the end, i think the parties to the war auto, the terms upon which door and the grands have to live in ukraine

and as long as you're willing to fight for your country. and it's not costing a single american soldiers live. and what we're doing is providing listen to the money that we've sent to you so far. is point o 2 percent of our g, d, p r g d p. in order to give you a chance to live in freedom and to prevent the russians from being emboldened a successful outcome in ukraine, which further emboldened chinese which are an enormous threat to us and to all of you. so i'm not here to dictate the terms upon which this audit and i think that's up to you and your government to determine what you can live with. and in question was also about the f sixteens. why don't give them the f sixteens? oh, give it up to me. oh, good. oh,

yeah. thank you very much. my name is elena point cova. i'm the president and ceo of the center for european policy analysis at washington. and thank you for everyone's comments and thank you prime minister for, for your leadership. and what concerns me is that i don't hear the western alliance speaking in one voice. i've heard the prime minister say that our goal, our policy is to when i've heard the center say that we need to aim to win. i don't hear that clarity from a lot of other allies in those direct terms. and i think what we see now as a result of that and beauty is that we haven't actually given ukraine what needs to win. but we're telling them we want you to win. but we're not going to give you patriots because is escalate tory in march for 90 more. we're not going to give you

. hi mars because it's escal atory. it be anywhere but 90 more. so i don't see why our actual policy is not a polish policy. but what is the western vision for ukraine and why can we not hear every single ally say our goal is to win? because if our goal is to win, then we will give ukrainians everything they need. now, while we're setting ourselves up, now, i'm sorry to use the word is a forever war because we're given them just enough to survive, but not to win. and i think this is a problem that my ukranian colleague was pointing to here. so i would like to hear every one on the panel respond to that. so to michel. yeah, i could, mcgruder more. he said it better than i could. they need to be given the weapons they need to win. i think we have all the united states and europe and allies had been all too tentative in reaching decisions,

giving ukrainians the best chance to win. which is what we all want out of some vague notion that we're going to provoke the latter married ladies and gentlemen, he's provoked, right? he's provoked and none of these efforts where we sort of pulled our punches in hope that he would somehow change direction. have had any impact at all, so i agree with you. i think we ought to be given what they need to win the war as soon as possible. when president landscape was in washington, press conference with president biden present, biden was asked. why don't you just give the ukrainians the tools to do the job? and he said, i don't know. i've spent hundreds of hours with our allies. and i don't know if we could hold the e. u and nato. busy together, if we did give them those tools quite an admission for, for,

for europe. but it seems to me you don't have to be too smart to figure out that we all benefit from these guys, winning and winning quickly. and that's been a problem in my country and other countries in nato. the way to win it quickly, as you suggest, with your question, to give them what they need to want it as soon as possible. i couldn't agree more with senator as well. i, my job is also to move the pendulum of imagination of my partners in western europe to persuade them to deliver more. so i think that the quicker and this the sooner and the more we are gonna deliver to ukraine for those who cranial soldiers will fight. by the way we lie on hearts. ah, they are,

they are going to prevail eventually. but that modern type of battlefield is requires lots of ammunition artillery. this is, by the way, the lesson of this, of this war and, and by the way, this point 2 percent, which was spend by the united states, partially, or was spent on american companies producing those weapon ah, for ukraine as well. so i think this is, this is all interconnected and i with great leadership of the united states i, i do believe that we will be able to deliver enough of well on, in particular hi mars and this type of weapon which is critically important on the battlefield. for ukrainians the troops to to win. okay. who are right. i'm afraid we have to leave it there. thank you very much to the panel. thank you for you.

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with ah ah, ah, this is d. w. news live from berlin. a stern warning from the us, vice president to russia. as worldly does gather at the munich security conference . but if he thinks he can wait us out, he is badly mistaken. time is not on his side. carmella horace is russia. he is guilty of crimes against humanity in ukraine and justice must be served. also coming up,

the battle for the ukrainian city of back moat rages on the rushes. wagner group claims this made gains, taking a nearby village, bought key van washington, se bachmann defenders are inflicting huge casualties on the mercenaries. plus police in pakistan, regain control of a karachi headquarters after it was stormed by taliban gunman. the attack comes just weeks after a bomb blast killed. more than 80 officers out of police mosque. ah, i'm jarrett rate, thank you for your company today. global leaders are meeting here in germany for the 2nd day of talks at the munich security conference, widely considered. the world's most important international defense event wide, if it's to help you crane defend itself against russia. invasion remain

a key focus today. speakers have included finished prime minister, santa marine, who stressed her countries, commitment to join nato, alongside sweden and european commission, president of underlying who condemned what she described as russian imperialism. nato secretary general, dns dalton burg also spike of a shift in global security wanting that. what's happening in europe today could happen in asia tomorrow, always income us vice president. pamela harris also spoke earlier, and she had some very pointed words for russian president vladimir putin. there will be more dark days in ukraine. the daily agony of war will persist. the global ripple effects will continue to be felt by countries near and far from africa to southeast asia, to the caribbean. but it thinks he can wait us out. he is badly

mistaken. time is not on his side. he will be in the studio is dw security correspondent, thomas barrow, or thomas we just heard from pamela harris there. you watched her speech along with me earlier, what stood out for you and, and in terms of what she had to say, undoubtedly the fact that she's stressed that they knighted state has now formerly determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity in ukraine. this was a very strong sentence by us, vice president come on a high risk. in fact, maybe one of the strongest sentences that we've heard by international leaders on this particular issue of justice and accountability. it's very significant to stress that maybe the focus in recent weeks has been on how to our ukraine on defense issues on defense capabilities and whether to send tanks or not. but at the same time, there's

a big effort on how to bring those responsible for crimes in ukraine to justice. and that's one of the reasons why cameron harrison has speech focused specifically on this. obviously, a big question now is how that can happen. there's also a need for cooperation on this matter. for example, when it comes to finding evidence, not only in ukraine, but also in other parts as well. for example, among refugees who have left you craner, have settled in other european countries as well. that's one of the reasons why g 7 justice ministers recently met to discuss better ways to cooperate. but this simply reflects that very big question of justice and accountability when it comes to the war in ukraine. and thomas, you mentioned the very key word of how talk to us through some possible scenarios in which russia might be able to be brought to justice on an international level. obviously, it's still early days when it comes to justice and accountability. but even in

these early days, it's important to gather evidence that something that you crane officials have been very interested in doing since the war began. and we've heard from european, from international official officials as well that they would like to help ukraine in this endeavor. and that's the reason why there was this g 7 meeting of justice majors, for instance, here in germany. that's also the reason why the you has pledged support for the international criminal court that the international criminal court can step up its own investigations on the matter. so these are just elements that point to the fact that it's not only about the situation now on the battlefield. that is also something that's going to take a long time in the future when it comes to. basically, making those responsible be brought to justice and making sure that there's accountability as well. okay, so that's on the accountability side. of course, a lot of the talks that are happening in the past few days and talking about support for ukraine and how to support ukraine. you mentioned some of it

a little bit earlier. what did harris offer in this respect? what she offered again, a reassurance that ukraine will receive the support it needs. this is not something new. us officials have stresses in the past. we've also heard this from european leaders from german chancellor charles from french president, mike calling from other leaders who have attended this music security conference stressing that it's vital to keep helping ukraine when it comes to its military capabilities. however, at the same time, we've also heard european officials say that they're preparing for a war that could take longer than they initially thought. in other words, that they do not expect this war to end any time soon at the same time. and what does that mean that we heard in particular, in the words of french president manuel mccaul, he said that maybe the time for dialogue is not there yet. so again, very important that commitment to keep helping ukraine. at the same time, there is an understanding mongo specials that maybe this war will continue for some

time to come. ok, thomas, we can now bring in our data chief international editor richard walker, who is that the munich security conference, richard. hi, there are a lot of what we have been talking about before we focused on what camera harris would say in terms of indicating that us support for ukraine would not waive these kinds of reassurances to europe. it does. europe would europe feel reassured after what she had to say? yeah, i think, i mean, i think what she had to say would go down a very well in european capitals. but if you look at what she saying about, you know, the kind of this question of stamina, what you were just talking about, then it was very similar to what all of shelton manual michael was saying yesterday . this idea that if ladyman putin is counting on this being a long war and him and his government and his system of government and his war

effort, essentially showing more stamina than either ukrainian sir able to fight against or western democracies are able to kind of sustain public opinion behind the degrees of support that we've seen, amounting and can steadily managing over the past year. they're all saying that dave, that is vladimir putin calculation than he's wrong. that's the way our cells put it . and that's the way pamela harris put a just now, so this question that they really trying to get the message across that we can last longer than vladimir putin. i think vladimir putin calculation is genuinely that he believes that he can last longer. that time is basically the only card he has left to play, because obviously a quick victory prove to be completely impossible, i think is his thing to look at the ukraine perspective on this debate about how long this will last though. and valadez lensky, the ukrainian preston is asking,

rather than for stamina. he's pressing for speed. he's saying get as more weapons, big or weapons. but he's saying that it took too long for the west to supply tanks, that those tanks aren't even there yet. at least they've been approved. and the next thing that they're asking for is longer wage range weapon missiles. they're asking for fighter jets, and he doesn't want that debate to last as long as the tank debate did. so it's interesting to see ukraine pricing for speed and all of the western leaders saying, well, they're in this potentially for the long term. okay, that was d, w as chief international editor, richard walker. richard, of course, we'll be coming back to you shortly for the next part of the munich security conference, where we're going to hear a panel from an alina burbock, the federal foreign minister of germany, antony blinking, the secretary of state of the us. and also the ukranian foreign minister dmitri kelly about talking about visions for ukraine. thomas, of course, joining me here in the studio will be coming back to you for,

for that section of the program. but for now, we are going to move on, but stay focused on ukraine. of course, the bloody battle for the east in city of back mode is raging on russia's wagner group. mercenary, say they've taken control of a village, just north of the city, but this information hasn't yet been independently confirmed. the fight for backing route has become the longest running battle of russia's war with staggering casualties. for the wagner config full of forces leading this assault, pounding away at their russian attackers, fending off the relentless, sold on buck moot. a wagon group leader yevgeny. pre goshen has claimed his troops have taken a village just outside the city. but ukrainian soldiers make clear how the russian advances here have come at huge cost. they're,

they're sending a lot of troops. i don't think that sustainable for them to keep attacking this way . they're just there. other places were of their bodies. i just piled up there the, there's a trench where they just don't evacuate their wonder if they were killed and they just leave them there and send more waves and waves of people. the u. s. says the tactics are all part of the wagner groups disregard for its own men's lives or sounds weak. i do want to say this about the long group and it, he, in particularly with respect to back move. i mean, again, they're treating their recruits largely conflicts as basically as cannon fodder, throwing them into a literal meat grinder here in human ways without a 2nd thought and will ukrainian soldiers have been defending the shattered city for months. now. they say west and equipment light. these bushmaster armored vehicles provided by australia is helping government, but that more is urgently needed. narrowly did though,

the budget give us more military equipment, more weapons on we will deal with the russian occupier, but we will destroy them as of the but a more hill modern west and tanks all set to arrive soon. ukrainian troops already learning how to operate these gym and made leopard twos here in poland. but for now back moods defenders will have to keep working with what they've got. well, police in pakistan's largest city of karachi say that they've regained control of their headquarters after it was attacked by taliban gunman. for people including 2 police officers, were killed in the attack. official say, while all 3 taliban fight has died, this incident comes just weeks after a bomb blast killed more than 80 officers at a police mosque. an explosion at police headquarters in karachi. ah, oh. i thought i'd reach out. the blast came after several hours of intense

gunfire between police and the 3 taliban militants. dozens of offices were hold up inside the compound. after the militant storm, the building reportedly wearing police uniforms and a late police unit paramilitary ranges and army snipe as quickly surrounded the 4 story building. officials say the operation ended when one of the taliban fight is blew himself up. the out, the 2 died from gunshot wounds in there. it is being done in solar, everything would be clear. and islam by the blessing of her love, the opportunity successfully. and peters, having officials say 3 security force members and a civilian were killed in the attack. and other 18 security officers were wounded. the taliban issued a short statement, claiming responsibility. it comes just weeks after

a taliban suicide bomber blew himself up, had a mosque inside the police headquarters in the north western city of per shower, which killed at least $84.00 people. the attacks indicate the pakistani taliban as stepping up their efforts to overthrow the government as hopes, fade of finding people alive the world's attention is turning to those who survive the massive earthquakes that hid turkey and syria. the un is appealing for $1000000000.00 us dollars to address the growing humanitarian crisis. nearly 2 weeks on millions in both countries remain displaced. people as leaping out doors and living without food, water, or sanitation raising fears of further disaster from disease. many syrian refugees, or even choosing to return to the war torn country. they fled, lining up at border crossings with whichever belongings that they managed to salvage. kristin hel berg is

a journalist and an expert on syria. earlier we asked her whether there'll be enough aid flowing from turkey to syria. after more crossings were opened. it is by far not enough. what we're hearing from northern syria is that clinics and hospitals are really running out of medical supplies. there's a leg of baby baby powder in the region. what we've seen so far are 114 trucks by the go and crossing into north and syria for population of almost 4000000 meet. so this is not enough. and we having a via hearing some assessment reports that are saying that 88 percent of the student earthquake victims live in the opposition. her territories by 12 percent live in the regime her territories. but on the other hand, it is 90 percent of the international aid that is going to the regime. so it's a quite unfair distribution of 8. kristin help. okay, well let's take a look now at some of the other stories making headlines around the world today. 6

people i did following a series of shootings in a rural town in the us state of mississippi. the shootings took place inside a store and at least 2 private hives, police have a suspect in custody. authorities discovered 4 bodies after his arrest. staying in the us and in tennessee, 5 former memphis police officers have pleaded not guilty to 2nd degree murder in connection with the violent death of tyree nichols. the 29 year old died in hospital 3 days after he was savagely basin by the officers following a traffic stop. bo darian police have discovered the bodies of 18 dead migrants from afghanistan in a bet in an abandoned track near the capital. sophia, the truck was transporting timber and carrying illegal migrants hidden in compartments for people are under arrest. and the pentagon says an explosion killed a leader of the so called islamic state and wounded for american soldiers during

a ride in northeast in syria. many remaining iron fried his have retreated into days at high doubts since the jihadists were defeated in syria in 2019. certainly with okay, let's get a recap now. if our top story global leaders are meeting in germany for the 2nd day of talks at the munich security conference, us vice president. com la harris. a said russia is guilty of crimes against humanity in ukraine and justice murphy served. she issued a stern warning to russian president vladimir putin sang. time was not on his side in munich, security conference is seen as the world's most important international defense event. this year it falls just days before the 1st anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine, and chancellor shall. and i think here with me in the studio to talk about the, the 2nd day of the munich security conference is dw security correspondent,

thomas barrow. and in munich, of course we have the w's chief international editor, richard walker. richard way going to start with you. we've got a panel coming up with, i guess, the foreign ministers of the us, the foreign minister of germany, and also the foreign minister of ukraine talking about visions for ukraine. what are you looking for in this panel? yes. well it's, it's going to be interesting to, to watch. jared, across these 3 farmers would be working very closely over the last year. is part of the coordinated western response supporting ukraine. since evasion began a and tony blinkin and, and alina burbock, the u. s. existing, his german counts about they've already had a one on one meeting and they also took part in a meeting of the group of 7 foreign ministers. so, so that's all of the richest democracies in the world. back grouping. they had

a meeting earlier today and they also invited to meet you for labor there, a ukrainian counterpart he was due to be sitting in on the latter part of that meeting. so these 3 of already had plenty of time to consult among each other. and i think you're gonna hear probably might a bit of to see about the center purpose that the west has towards your brain and to ukraine's requirements. okay, richard, we are going to leave you and now cross to this panel, hold free and up peace. visions for ukraine featuring the foreign ministers of the u. s. germany and ukraine. and the moderator is raw. the caliph, who is the editor of the financial times and, and ask you how do you see the end of, of the, of the war. what is, what are the steps that you think need to be achieved and to see this as potentially a negotiated solution at the end of the day? or will it can only be achieved through a military victory by, by the ukrainians. well,

in the end there must be peace and it has to be just and durable at peace. and there's one easy way that this war will end and that we have peace again. and this is a russia stops the bombing. and just what russia withdraws, it's true, and we can do this tomorrow. if russia decides to withdraw their own troops tomorrow, then we do have peace again, not only in ukraine, but peace around the whole world because we see the negative effects. and i think we have to be aware of 3 points on the pass if russia doesn't take this decision. russia and we debated is, was in the last 2 days, he also in unit is a counting on that at some point. and we are too exhausted, and we as an international community and would've given and meaning they're saying stop the fighting and stop the military support or from other countries or in the world. but what would that mean? would that mean piece?

no, because part of ukraine, which is now still under the control of russian would remain under the control of russian. and those who are saying just stop the hostilities right now. and this is automatically piece. this piece would mean that we would give those people of ukraine to, with russia. and this was also mean that this is the end of the international order and the end of international law. because this is my 2nd point, and i think the chance land all to president mcroy made that clear yesterday as well. if at this moment we would say russia should just take part of ukraine. then russia would have one with the method that one aggressor can just conquer another country, and then it would be the end of the quarter of the united nation. and my 3rd point i would like to make because also in germany,

i think always round the world people asked. but if you wouldn't have delivered weapons in the beginning, maybe there wouldn't be so much whiting. i think we have to ask the question the opposite way around. if we wouldn't have decided on the 27th of february in german parliament, or on the 24th around the world to support ukraine. there wouldn't be $13000000.00 refugees in ukraine or outside of ukraine. 1000000 in germany. the total population of ukraine is $42000000.00 people. if we wouldn't have supported ukraine since february 27th, then we would have seen butcher, mario pulled everywhere in the whole country. so those of the people are asking around the world. so what were the effects from the sanctions? what were the, the effects from the international support?

the effect was that, unfortunately, we could not bring back peace to ukraine because russia still wants to destroy your train. but we could save millions of people's life and that was worse every day. and we will save these live and protect these civilians every single day as long as roster and tex ukraine. thanks. hey. i want to bring you in. mr. blinking is when we talk about peace, are we talking about russia returning to february lines? or are we talking about post 2014 because the crimea is, is an issue that ukrainians care a lot about. and i'm sure you'd like to come in on this minister caliber. well,

1st let me say, how wonderful it is to be here in munich again. but especially wonderful to be surrounded by 2 good friends and colleagues. germany has been absolutely so ordinary in his leadership. over the last year, the 3rd largest donor to ukraine and total are taking steps that i think few of us in this room would've imagined possible before the russian aggression. and that's due to the your ship of the chancellor. and it's due to the leadership of my friend, adelina burbock has been extraordinary from day one. we have been shoulder to shoulder from day one. and of course, symmetrical labour has been the voice and the face in many ways of ukraine around the world. not just with us, but literally around the world building support on every continent and his own personal courage. and the way he does his work on behalf of this country is extraordinary. so that it was important to acknowledge that as well as all of you. i look simply put fundamentally,

these are decisions for are ukranian friends to make. this is their country, their future, their decision. i am as usual and violent agreement with everything that adelina said and i think we have to be wary of 2 things. first, we have to be very wary of this somehow false equivalence and, and never lose sight of the fact that there is an aggressor and there is a victim. and we, the world should not in any way expected of ukraine. ah, things on parallel with what we need to expect to russia. as only to said, if russia with closets troops to day the war is over. of course, if you pray, stops fighting to day ukraine is over. and it's as simple as bait and basic, is that, ah, where this goes as and lena said, we will support the decisions of our ukranian friends about the future of their country. but i think we all have a profound stake in, as atlanta said,

a just and durable piece. and what do we mean by that? just in that any piece has to be consistent with the principles of the united nations charter. it is fundamentally against the interests of every other country around the world to wind up with a result that somehow vindicates the seizure by force of territory. that validates that because if we do that, we will open a pandora's box around the world and every would be aggressor. we'll conclude that if russia got away with it, we can get away with it. and that's not in anyone's interest because it's a recipe for world of conflict. ah, what is durable mean? durable means that wherever this lance, we have to do everything in our power to make sure that russia wants simply repeat the exercise a year for 5 years later. and among other things, that means making sure that ukraine has the capacity to deter aggression and if necessary to effectively defend against it. so even as we're doing everything we can to provide ukraine with the assistance it needs. now to deal with the russian

aggression. we have to be thinking and we are about what the post for future looks like to ensure that we have security and stability for ukrainians and security instability in europe. i'd like to come back to and i'm told my yeah, mike wasn't working so i hope everyone can hear me. now. i'd like to come back to that durable piece. that minister could they? but what does the victory look like for you and how? how far are we from victory? it's the 3rd time i'm invited to answer this question, since 713. well, yet you leave very wondering, harris then. so i don't want to bore those who had to hurt my previous answers. but for us, there is a short notion of victory, and that's full restoration of ukraine suited tauriel integrity. and there is a long victory, which includes compensations for the damage inflicted accountability for

perpetrators of crimes. ah, and most importantly, russia must change because i, i have no doubt that as we will become members of the e. u. of nato, this is going to happen. but in the end, the only durable piece in the euro, atlantic space will become possible. after russia poses no threat to the euro, atlantic space, and for that to it's you to achieve that we need to, we need russia for change. there is a long rolled to this sir, to this result. but if we keep it as so ultimate objective, if we base our policy and decisions on the premise that this is our goal, durable security in the euro atlantic region was ukraine being full part of this year, atlantic region, then it will end up. it will end when russia will pull will not be able

to post threat and everything between now and then i'm don't want to sound too tough, but will be a war one way or another that that brings me to the issue of security guarantees. and i'm gonna jump between the, the future and, and the president at. but i think that the president zalinski has been talking to some allies about security guarantees from nato, not just for the and the end of the war, but even from now because it is important for the morale of troops and also for the morale of a population that's that fighting. do you think that that's a possibility, some kind of security guarantees post post war, but there are communicated and agreed by the time my,

you're all in billions. while the biggest security guarantee has been made already. and this sir was giving ukraine, but also to mold over the candidate stitches for the european union because the european union is our life insurance sir in europe. and we do not have only a nato, a solidarity clause. we do have that also in the european union and underneath this decision, i mean, every step we are taking within this process are, this is a process which secures are the security of ukraine also for the you, janice, everybody, i know nato has an open door policy this was true in the past, it's still true. and what we are doing now all to was the military support, is helping ukraine immediately, every day. but we have for short term midterm and long term perspective. and this is also nothing new in a.