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your all in bill? yes. well the biggest security guarantee has been made already, and this one was giving ukraine but also to mold over the candidate stitches for the european union because the european union is our life insurance in europe. and we do not have only in nato is solidarity clause. we do have that also in the european union. and underneath this decision, i mean, every step we are taking within this process. this is a process which secures the security of ukraine also for the future. and as everybody know, nato has an open door policy. this was true in the past, it's still true. and what we're doing now all to was a military support, is, are helping ukraine immediately every day. but we have for short term midterm and long term perspective. and this is also nothing new in february of 2023 that we
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have decided and started this process in march, april may last year. and then at the bucharest, the summit, it together, it's an 8 or where we on the line that are the support for self defense am, is required now what we can deliver now. but for example, ears to systems, the next ones they are coming in the next months, but also in the next years. so every bump and delivery support is already looked at . also was the standards we're having ourself. and so i think that this guarantee has been giving already our last year. and this is because we always see the glass helped empty, and i mean for, for ukraine or it's more than a half empty. it's totally destroyed because so many people have been killed. but we should never forget what we have achieved together within the last year. not only we are more that united than ever at the o. c. meeting a we have been attending both of us. there was this question, is the o. c d debt?
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no, not at all. we are also within the, or see more united there never countries from central asia like causes than oil speakers, such as saying, we want to work closely with you. we are sending as a european union now, a mission to amelia. because amina is saying, we trust in you for our further peace. and so i think we should never forget this because we need still some breast probably for the next month. and we don't know how long we need it. but we always have to remember for what it's worse for peace in ukraine, but for peace on the whole european continent. secretary of lincoln, how bad the security guarantees we have demonstrated right now and enduring commitment to you, frank security. we've demonstrated that through really unprecedented assistance
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being provided to ukraine so that it has in his hands the tools that it needs to defend itself every single day. and as analynn is suggested, this is an enduring commitment because 1st, many of the things that we're providing now will also be very beneficial to ukraine's long term defense and is to turn capacity. and at the same time, we're thinking and talking very actively about what we can do, not just in the immediate but over time to put ukraine in the strongest possible solution going forward again. so that we can prevent a repeat of this russian aggression. or if god forbid that were to happen again, that ukraine would be in a very strong position to deal with minister. well, ah, technically speaking, of course, the best security guarantees between now and maint a membership, our sanctions weapons and money. but i think the most important security guarantee
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that partners can give to ukraine. these sto firmly and unconditionally believe in the victory of ukraine. if this is the founding principle of policymaking, everything else will follow. and people here shows was whom i'm sharing this stage . i know they believe in it, and i know i don't have to preach to them. i don't have to convince because i know that their policy, the decisions they will be making in berlin in washington and their respective institutions will be based on the assumption that ukraine must win. so if you agree with this conceptually, this is the starting point of your consideration of your decision making. everything else becomes technical, but you have any doubt about that man today. you don't have any doubt. no, not, not among the people present at this stage. you want to tell me who know
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who we're working with them can i say to i know, and i think i can safely speak for my friend i. we have no doubt at all about ukraine's victory and success. and there's a simple, powerful reason for that. irrespective of anything else, including the support that we're providing, the biggest single differences that ukrainians are fighting for their own country for their future for their land. the russians are not available. i'm gonna ask you a question that i'm sure you have been asked before, but i would still like to hear your answer. is it, is there any chance of ukraine being safe and the long term, if vladimir putin is held, leading russia? if he doesn't change by what 360 degrees? no. but everything that happened over the last year, and it's truly
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a remarkable what's happened over the last year. not just in terms of the ukrainian willingness and capability to fight, but even in, in germany. and yet he does not appear to have gotten the message at all. well, i didn't say no was out there is a half sentence beforehand because i believe in humans. and i believe in human beings. and we have changed by 180 degrees because we decided on february 27th. and this is why i'm always referring to this that we changed totally our export policy with regard to weapons before. also myself. i said, no, we are not david living in conflict areas, but this is a good thing about human beings if you still a human being. and if you still see the suffering that you can say, either i've made a mistake. and i mean, if you never learn from mistakes, you will never and the face of being a baby. but also if you recognize while this might have been right in the past.
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but now the world has changed. on the 24th of february, at least my world, i think our all of our world has changed totally. and then we reflected and said, if our world has changed, our european piece order has been undertaken, which i never had to realize in all my life, living in west than germany and being born there. so when we realized this that we woke up in another world, we said obviously the policies from before won't work anymore with regards to our understanding of living delivery. this is why we changed by 180 degrees. and if president putin, and this is why i said it in the beginning, it's in is and he can make his own decision. he can decide that he changes his cause by 360 degrees to morrow. the whole world would be happy. again, stop the bombing,
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it is hand and this is why i also think that we should really differentiate and i'm really thankful to tony. and he said that 1st time and security council in september, we always have to rent shade who is the aggressor and who is the victim? and if we start to blame the victim, then the aggressor wins. but we can give the aggressor the chance and we ask him every single day of the last year. please change your mind. so we asked him again, please change your mind and if he changes his mind, then we have peace again in ukraine and in the world. and if he doesn't change his mind, we stand on the side of ukraine until they have freedom, peace and liberty. again. mister secretary, is it, is it possible that the step by step approach that ukraine's allies have
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taken often often for good reason? but the step by step approach appears as had the hesitancy in moscow and that it is interpreted in moscow as well. health is not really forthcoming, it's not enthusiastic. and therefore, i will always have a chance to either divide ukraine's western allies or may be forced them to pause. i'm sure he's now thinking there's an election in the u. s. in 2024. maybe i tried to wait it out, so 1st just to follow up quickly on what adelina said, i think there has to be a day of reckoning for mr. brewton. because this has been a strategic debacle for him. going back to 2014. when he 1st came and seized crimea, and the parts of the don this ever since, then what we've seen is proven precipitating everything. he said he was trying to prevent ukraine is united back in 2014, before the aggression attitudes toward russia and ukraine and demi trucking firm
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this were largely positive. a desire to join nato was probably about 25 percent after the initial aggression in 2014. that of course, flipped and since the renewed aggression last year on steroids, odd for the foreseeable future, ukrainians will hate their russian neighbors because of what's done up understandable and ukraine's own unity is stronger than ever. our own unity is stronger than ever put in thought he could divide nato. of course, we seen exactly the opposite to my 30 years of doing this. i've never seen this alliance more united end on the verge of welcoming in to new members that to no one was thinking about before putting engaged in this renewed aggression. but here's the other point, that's so important and i'll come to the, the question, look at what has happened, what putin has done to his own country. we now have,
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by public accounts, something like 200000 russian casualties and ukraine. think about that for a minute. in less than a year, we have more than a 1000000 russians who have left their country because they do not want to be part of this war and the direction that the country's being taken it. we have a 1000 or more companies from all of our countries who used to do business in russia, who no longer do because the reputation cost of that is far too high. and all of russia's connectivity with so much of the world has been cut off piece by piece. as a result of the actions, the president putin is taken. so to adeline is point one would imagine that there will be and one would hope on his behalf, a time of reckoning to realize that the course that he is on is a strategic failure for him in the most graphic terms possible. so i think we have
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to look at that as for what russia to see on what bruton may be concluding. no, i think it's exactly the opposite, i think precisely because he thought 1st of all that they would rapidly erase. you print from the mat in a matter of days. and of course that didn't happen because of the extraordinary courge and bravery training. but also because they already had in hand some of the tools that they needed to repel the aggression from key. move it to the east and the south, but then everything he's seen over the last year is an extraordinary coming together of dozens of countries and not just in europe, beyond as well because countries like japan recognize the implications that this war has for them. and for their interests, every one around the world is watching. and he seen us systematically, time after time working closely with our ukranian kali's. try to assess what they need and make sure that we can get it to them. but what's so important, and i think all of you know this very well as we tend to get fixated on individual
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weapon systems. and that's understandable one thing or another, it gets in the news and people start focusing on that. but we all know very well that it's not just the weapon systems. it's the training because if you can't use it, it doesn't help you much. it's the maintenance because if it falls apart and weak, it doesn't help you much. and it's making sure that all of these things are being used in a comprehensive way with an actual strategy to be successful. and this is exactly what we were working on. i think vladimir putin sees that very, very clearly minister to lay back can. you should see a time when ukraine is at peace rush as to what throne completely. and then you're having discussions, new relations with russia that is led by letting me put it. well, no, this is it. but everything except vladimir putin is my retirement plan. that's i want to end the war. i want to go to the village. the countryside lived there in
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peace and race to see see my children and i don't have to get old for that to happen. i'm ready to do it. the moment war is over. ah, as longest fortune is in power, will be in troubles because he spoke he's ukraine is his personal obsession for various reasons, which will require another panel to focus simply on, on the, on this one issue. i believe that the period between the moment when fusion is gone and the new leader emerges, will be the period of opportunity for all of us. ah, but we cannot forecasts when it's going to happen. this is so we, we, we really what we have to do now is just to focus on, on fighting, fighting on the battlefield, fighting going on, did in diplomatic arena. because yes, we see an unprecedented unity of one part of the world that stands for principles.
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and rules this world is based on, but we also see other parts of the world, some a neutral. which means effectively in, on the support of russia, somerset or calling on to seize the a supply of weapons to ukraine, which also means that russia is going to win. some are asking questions where the ukraine will be capable to restore its territorial integrity and full, which is about casting dowse and vague. basically, posing a question, what was it all for? if in the end, you don't get everything that belongs to you. and those who have this idea of going back to the 2014 so called 2014 line
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or ukraine becoming abandon ignite to plants. i would like to record 2 things. first in 2014 ukraine by the law was a non block country. we were not pursuing membership and nato and still russia attacked. and 2nd, we had the separation line for 8 years. we were very constructive. we were painfully trying to find diplomatic solution. did it help us to prevent the wor? no, it didn't. so probably that means that the solution is not going back to another separation line and to changing abandoning some of our choices the way forward this to believe in your choice. to be smart enough to, to defend it and to make it happen. i have no doubts that is going to happen and
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but what inspires me the most it's meeting and talking and working was the people who also have no doubts on this matter. let me, let me bring some of the audience in a young man there. thank you very much. i'm linna seagly, allah, director of eastern europe, that his entering business, lithuanian parts of munich and leaders. well, the ukraine is fighting a war for its existence, but threshold supposes existential tread through countries on nato's eastern flank, the baltic states, my country, poland, and others. so before nato summit comes to illness in the next 5 months or so. what needs to be done to send the clear message that ukraine is not a gray zone on the map of europe in terms of security and that nato's eastern flank is capable of withstanding that threat that comes from russia at least before you brain joint. nato. thanks very much met
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mister secretary and perhaps if you'd like to also answer. thank you very much for the of the question. this actually follows on with what we were talking about earlier about putin precipitating everything. he's trying to prevent one of the things that he's precipitated is a very strong movement of strength for nato to the eastern flag. and we've had to take all of us ah, necessary precautions. precisely because of the fear that russia would expand his aggression beyond ukraine. and that's exactly what the alliance has done. and if you look at the decisions taken at the last summits and then the deployment of additional forces additional capacities to distant land countries. already we are in the business of making sure that all of these countries can feel safe and secure . president biden's been very, very clear, and he said it repeatedly. we will defend every square inch of nato territory. and
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that guarantee means something are going forward and we'll have an opportunity in vilnius to about this. one of the things that we'll be looking at is what further steps we need to take to strengthen the eastern flag and for that matter and in the south as well. one of the ironies of the situation we're in is that vladimir putin seems to believe erroneously, that nato has designs on russia that we pose a threat to russia. that we aim to commit some kind of aggression against russia. that has never been the case. it never will be the case, but because of his actions, nato has been dramatically reinforced. and again, if you go back to 2014, when this 1st started with ukraine, look at the directory and it was on them. our budgets were actually going down. forces from united states were coming back equipment tanks. planes were coming back
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up ever since 2014. as much as i'd like to think that in some part of our engagement and leadership played a role, i have to give credit where credit is due. vladimir putin has done more than any one on earth to strengthen inno elias. let me take another question there. yep. and my name is that doesn't happy. saddest. kind the tier of the war. so security far, i'm from poland and i have a question ed to, well, the entire panel, but particularly just secretary blank. and and dmitri a call that by a president biden is coming to poland this monday. and he's expected to have a speech in front of the polish public a. what are your expectations from that speech? how significant and what should we be preparing for at the meeting if you can tell me, because i'm sure that let me have putting that is also preparing something for this
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week of this anniversary. something horrific? are we prepared to also for, for a week that i think will be symbolic on the one we want to. we want to show our full support for ukraine. we want to show that this year has, we've been in unity. we want to commemorate also the heroes of ukraine, but that, that time at the same time we know that we will probably see more attacks this week and probably vicious harness attack. so how do we prepare to that? thank you. so mr. secretary, 1st you're going to give us the scoop on the president's visit, and then perhaps both mr. could labor and mr. bay book might want to address the 2nd question go head. i think it's safe to say that the president will make a very significant speech in poland, actually other than that, i've learned one thing. never get ahead of your boss, sol, let him speak for himself. but in all seriousness, i think it's safe to say that as well, that he is likely to talk about the road that we've traveled together over the last
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year where we are today. and as i said, our enduring commitment to ukraine success, which is all of our success, i believe the speech of president biden will be far more significant and consequential than the speech of president put m b a r door good. i some or when d ukrainian parliament, european solidarity defection. mister lincoln of miss burbock. first of all, thank you very much for support in our country. believe me ukrainian people and ukraine on soldiers really well you that i'm your contrast together with you. k at the biggest supporters of ukraine right now, and i want to ask you the same question earlier today i asked prime minister or
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great britain, which steps from your point of view can be done with purpose drastically increase this beat of decision making them well support him ukraine, it while a function in russia. thank you. well, we can always do better and we can always be faster. and this is what we are trying . but on the other hand, i should with shouldn't resignation of saying because we haven't been quick enough in the past we just give in. so we are improving every day. and this is why i related to the last year, the 1st month we're very, very difficult because we took decisions we never took before in our life. we didn't even discuss it before in our life. so saying what is wrong or what is right? this was always a balancing thing, and i think the important thing was that we always came back to we have to be
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united and our frame is the international law because we are defending also the international law at this moment. and this counts also to our weapons delivery. this is why and this is a strength of democracy. we are having debates also about these kind of 1st steps and then we asking ourselves, so where can we learn from the past? and we learned many things. we learned, for example, that unfortunately, even though we have all nato standards that nato standards alone doesn't help, that your military has to be compatible, which is other. so was a how with this, we thought we have the same. how woods, as, as the dutch and then we realize here we do have the same how woods us, but unfortunately they don't function together. so this is like, we always have to improve to now with the, this decision we took right now with, with the tanks. we are trying and this is all to what we did here in, in munich trying to form a group of those who can support us as germans regard to the leo's and it's
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a leo to and the best would be the 8 a 6 and you learn many things about this question because maintenance is crucial. so if we don't think the chain afterwards and this was our learning from the spring last year, then it doesn't really help. so what we can, we do to become better coming back to your questions getting together the ridge group of countries. and this is my appeal to everybody in the room. i think everybody knows who does have the tanks. we need now to form together, but the young and that we set up the supply chains that we set up the maintainance hub directly at the border in order to help every day to save your people. and just very quickly, out on as democracies, we have processes and procedures. sometimes that can be frustrating, but it's important to stick to them and to learn from them. and we did. and just as
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an alina said, we learned a lot from the 1st months. one of the things that we did now some time ago is our secretary defense lloyd austin stood up in germany the, the so called ramstein process to make sure that we were doing a better job of coordinating the supply of military equipment to ukraine and making sure not only that it was coordinated, but that it was moving faster that we could identify where we had challenges, but also where we could, we could identify who had what a to provide and that has worked incredibly well. we done the same thing together when it comes to trying to help you brain repair and replace the energy infrastructure that's being destroyed by russia every single day. with the annual energy leadership, we stood up for the g 7, a process to do that. the g 7 itself. we were, we met again this morning. it's now under the chairmanship of japan. it was under germany's chairmanship last year. we met i think, a dozen times as foreign ministers last year through the g 7. the typical meeting rate usually is about 2 times a year. so this was all
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a way of making sure that we were working together in real time. and i think i think that we've done that in a stickler lay back, is there. what are the 3 things that you one speeded up right now? not 7. yes, i was going to say 7 am emanation, or tillery and tanks. what, what is the problem with with ammunition? because that it does seem that while that debate has been very focused on tanks and now jets, the really big problem right now is, is ammunition. why are we here? because we thought that we would never have a war again on european soil. i'm sorry that i'm always coming back to this point,
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but i think it's not us to blame that we believed in peace. it is russia to blame that he put in an artist, russia every russian. yeah, we see also the russian suffering that he destroyed peace in europe and therefore we didn't have stock piles. was ammunition for a war like this because we thought that war would be over in europe again. but because we cannot wish the world as we want it to be, we are building the world we are building the future. this is why we are building now. new ammunition production lines, for example, in germany. so we hope to fill these gaps, sir, by june, july, for the gephart ammunition. we still need to bridge the time in between. and as you might know, i'm a fan of open words. they are a couple of countries in the world who do have this cape, i'd ammunition and again we are calling on them. please help us with bridgecrest time. that until we have built this new production line, we could use this ammunition and making it even
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a bigger picture. and i would like to think all those countries who are now the corners of the world and said in the beginning, this is the european war. you haven't been there when we ask you for help, and this is true too often. we ignored also are the conflict of the world, but there are so many countries who realised if they would not take a position in this war, then it would only help, not russia. maybe they didn't care if it helped russia, but it would destroy the carter of the united nation. and this is way the truck aside. because this old saying as desmond to, to in a case you see justice and injustice and aggression and a victim neutrality is not an option, because then you are standing on the side of the aggression. and this is the plea. we are also giving next week to the world. again, please take a side aside for peace, aside for ukraine, aside for the humanitarian international law and these times this means also
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delivering ammunition. so ukraine can defend also the good blinking would you like to come in on the ammunition question? again, i think online is covered very well. but one of the things that we know is that we've had different types of weapons systems that use different types of ammunition . ukraine has had its own inventories, a lot of soviet or a weaponry that uses one type of ammunition, some of the nato systems that are being supplied ukraine use and other types. so that's been a challenge. and but exactly as atlanta said, some of the stockpiles were not accounting for this. and, and at the same time, getting these production lines, moving again is not like flipping a light switch. it takes real effort. it takes real time. and quite honestly, those who produce these weapons also want to know that they're going to start production line again, that it's not going to be turned off in 6 months. so all of these things factor
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into it. but i can also tell you that pretty much every single day we are scouring every corner of the earth for the appropriate ammunition for you. right? there's a gentleman down there. yeah, no, no, no, sorry. in the middle. yes you who are trying to get the note too many gentlemen. he has so many gentlemen. so thank you very much sir. first of all, i wish you hall specifically the people of good i he accepted by the spectre, by the in peaceful solution for you. i kennedy, re as afghan, i'm from afghanistan, re know what that a shame vision this and say hi, wish you all the best, the specifically, the security blanket and my them rabbit. or allow me to take you for
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a moment out of the subject. afghanistan, please don't abandon atkinson field in a very bad position in a moment. and does this also a big patricia and our neighboring countries in nashville is for the european countries? because if it is continuing like dest, you will, if $100000.00 of leave with g again under board of europe, police find some solution. accept they both are the african nation. thank you very much. thank you for that. sorry, yes, now, yeah, go ahead please. at least like it from so did a, via my question to 2nd been, can successfully and could, after you have been able to mobilize, a lot of field alliance is in the wood. to stand on this crisis is supportive laclede, yet the gulf country have taking a semi neutral position in the neutral position. mean,
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we did not support the aggression we fought in the u. n. we have issued a letter, a condemnation for that i should envision. but at the same time, they did not decide to cut that elation with russia or china. and that when did that harm the u. s. relation toward the gulf by not standing fully on the position that you want them. and because they have taking this sort of balanced position or door, they have contributed, you know, to the humanitarian side, and they have condemned, clearly, the invasion in using digression. thank you. ah, as atlanta said, there is no neutral position when it comes to a war of aggression. there is no balance up at the same time. different countries have responded in different ways they've contributed in different ways. some are focused on humanitarian contributions. those are usually important, given the suffering of the ukrainian people. some have focused on economic
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contributions. that's also incredibly important, given the damage that's being done to the ukrainian economy by the russian onslaught. others are focused on security support. and of course that is vital. are some countries have done things that they don't advertise that, but as long as the result is there are that's what, that's what matters. so we're constantly engaged with partners around the world who have different perspectives on this different ways that they can help. and from our perspective, 1st of all, again, you really can't be neutral. but if there is a way to provide support in any of these areas that's valuable and it's something that we welcome. thank it. i think there's a question over there and then we'll come closer. yes. go ahead, please. thank you very much. my name is lisa ask a member of ukraine in parliament member foreign affairs committee syringe of the people party. i want to ask you, how are pena least about what we do recommend me as ukrainian politician to tell to
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ukraine young people when they ask me how long we need to go through all of this. i know that this is the question that really bothers us. any political circles, we're start talking about different type of weapon. we know what is happening. but still for me as ukrainian politician, it's very hard to keep answering that. yes, this weapon will come in 235 months. can we give some timeline that will bring more confidence and peace to go ukrainian heart? because we understand that we in these shoes already for one year. and we need to calculate how much energy we still have and we will have in the future. thank you. minister i frank and honest authors. i don't know because we cannot give a promise to the people of ukraine when this war will end because we don't know.
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and it always comes back to the point because it lays in the hand of the russian president. but what we can promise is that we are trying to do everything to give you to give the people of ukraine as much as help as you need and you were asking. so when the next system coming, i was speaking about ammunition. we're the gap at systems and we are now a training as soldiers was regards to the tanks. so we can do the tanks delivery in the upcoming months together with our partners. we are looking that how we can bridge old saw the time was the iris t because and this is so what tony has mentioned, that we are thinking also so much about air defense to checked infrastructure. we because we know that the check on infrastructure on electricity is on the purpose that people will freeze to death. oh, i don't have water in winter time anymore when everything is being frozen because
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you don't have electricity. so we are talking also to partners for the iris to system that we get to short range and assist them to protect their systems better. but the frank answer is, i don't know, and i, i cannot even imagine how you deal with this. as a parliamentarian, as a foreign minister, as the father was a mother when i was an octave and realized what this means, that you have been fock of 45 seconds. and they told me when we heard the alarm, you just count until 45. and then you see whether or a kid hit you, i didn't hit you and i had to experience at once when we both were there. but speaking to school children experienced that every day. and this is the reason why they cannot go to school because i cannot count the whole day to 45, and they are no shelters. then we totally understand how,
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how the pressure is and what i realized there is also, and this is why i think all the 3 of us are so frank and open here also on this panel because i at least realized they are, that the was also note over when the troops, i was drawing from the territory because the rockets and hockey are coming 40 kilometres away from russia. and this is why on the 2nd tract next to the weapons delivery, we are trying to work so hard every day to convince other partners to convince other p 5 members of the security cohen so that they have a responsibility to ensure the world peace. this is why you're sitting at the security council because you have to be to ride because you're also responsible to ensure the world peace. and this is why we have to work so intensively together that this piece will come to ukraine. but unfortunately, we cannot say when it will be let me just follow this up with,
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you've talked about the p 5 and obviously the p 5 than completely paralyzed in this case. but china has a very important role to play. have you had recent conversations, maybe even today or yesterday afternoon with your chinese counterpart of all 3 of you about what, how china can help? well, i think it's very clear that there are things that so china cannot and should not do to, to hinder. and by that we mean, providing russia with military equipment that can further its aggression or engaging in the systematic evasion of sanctions that are designed to put pressure on russia to end this aggression. and that's something that president biden made very clear to present. she's in thing from almost day one, they had a conversation by video, maybe 2 or 3 weeks into the,
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into the russian. and we've made clear to our chinese counterparts ever since that we would view any provision of military assistance or evading sanctions as a very serious problem for us and for many other countries around the world. so it's something we watch very carefully. of course, china continues to spread rushes narrative in the u. n. and in other places it advances the propaganda to date, as best we can tell, it is not engaged in the systematic supply of military equipment or, or sizes evasion. but it's something that we watch very, very carefully. minister. yes, we had a meeting, this is a good thing. this is the transparency conference. a key issue is that you get what we want it. we also want to know whether a secretary blank and had a meeting. well, i spent, we had a meeting as well. we did a couple of meetings and i've had lots of meetings. and well, i think why we are also all arguing so much what peace means is because of the role
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of china, because obviously we are going next week not on you to the general assembly. we are also going to the security council. we have heard, i have heard it all in the meeting, but you can read it also in media that china said they will present a paper for piece, which is good because we need everybody in the world to be ready to stand up for peace. but the question will be, what kind of piece will this be? and this is why i think all the 3 of us try to underline that there is a difference if you call on every body to stop delivering weapons. and we call also on a china or everybody in the world to not deliver weapons said to russia. but if there's a request off saying so we should stop supporting ukraine. then there's a huge difference which shared tony blink and made in september in the security council when he was saying. and if i may, i quote you again,
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if russia stops fighting and we hope this is the plea also from china next week when they propose their peace program, call on rushes to stop fighting, because then this war is over. but if we crane stops defending itself, and this could be another plea, then ukraine is over and we cannot accept this because then also the car to of united nations is over. and i think through handling this point, you know, and it's understandable to people around the world who may not follow this, they and they out who are living with their own challenges. in fact, many challenges that have been exacerbated by russia's aggression against ukraine. things like a cease fire, so i'm very attractive. who doesn't want guns to stop firing. except we have to be incredibly worried of the kind of traps. the he said it may come to be the potent
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decides because things are going badly for him. that his best bet is to call for an immediate cease fire, but an effective frozen conflict that will freeze the existing lines in place. he will never negotiate the territory that he sees. and meanwhile, he'll use the time to rest, to refit to rearm and to re attack. so we need to be very wary of allowing any kind of situation to develop. one last thing i'm one of the very powerful things that i analynn has done over the last year is to constantly remind us that what is happening in ukraine is about real lives. and it's not an abstraction. and hearing from the parliamentarian is another reminder of that. and one of the things none of us can allow is we cannot allow this to be normalized. we cannot be anesthetized to what's going on, and that's easy to happen. we. it's relentless on our tvs. and then it becomes
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background noise for too many people. but the kind of conduct that the russian forces are engaged in, in ukraine. we can never allow that to be normalized. and when we have children who are being taken from their families and sent to russia and then adopted by russians in a program that is deliberately designed to do that end in its own way, try to erase ukraine's future that can't be normalized. so one plea for all of us is to make sure that we don't allow that to happen either. i'm going to get the last we have run out of time. i'm just going to give the last 20 seconds at to manipulate that to tell us what he wants to see in this chinese pizza plan. i don't think it makes sense to speak brief about chinese piece plan before seeing it. i mean, we'll understand what, where it's test, but whatever happens,
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whatever kind of plans will appear from different quarters of the world. i think we should all be focused on one think. even if we are deadly tired, we cannot allow ourselves to get tired of fighting for freedom and then you have one plan or another, or the 3rd one. it's all secondary because you know what you're fighting for. thank you. thank you. panelists and also to the audience, and i'm terribly sorry that i couldn't get to all your questions. let's. let's give the panel round of applause. ladies gentlemen, may have been watching at the munich security conference,
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d. w with special coverage. uh, it's important defense event. you've been watching a panel featuring actually blink and u. s. secretary of state, angelina, bareback the federal minister for foreign affairs of germany, and of course, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, thomas sparrow, our security correspondent is here with me in the studio, thomas, a lot of ground that was covered during this panel that we've just seen, talked to us about some of your main takeaways. there was a lot of ground, but it was all based on one question, how to end the war. what would piece look like? what seems clear out of this panel is that the 3 ministers involved had a similar idea of what piece should look like. a just piece, a durable piece, a piece that is not that dictated by russia, but it also seemed clear, especially when there was a question about china. that there seem to be different versions of peace. if you
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look beyond europe monday night, it states, there are different approaches to how the war could end and what piece would look like. and that's also one of the main reasons of this munich security conference. try and bring those different views together. but specifically, what we heard from these 3 leaders from the secretary of state, the minister of foreign affairs of german and the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, is the idea that russia can not dictate peace on its own terms. that peace has to be just and durable and that it has to set a precedent so that it doesn't happen again afterwards that russia doesn't seem to take a break and then choose another country later on. that's what we heard from them. but i always like to point out that specifically when we're talking about these kinds of global events, there are very different views of what piece would look like, how this war could end. thanks very much, thomas. we are going to go over and speak of course,
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to our chief international editor richard walker, who is he was at the munich security conference. richard, i'm just wondering if you could sort of reflect a little bit on what thomas has just said, your main takeaways, but also just sort of talking about the questions. the main question that sort of hung over this panel, which is what does piece look like? how could the war in ukraine end? yeah, i mean it picking up of what tom has said, you know about, you know, they're being potentially different versions. well, piece would look like the idea that the chinese are putting forward. now we heard from wang here, the chinese top diplomat. earlier in the day that the chinese going to present a piece proposal. and alina bab bark spoke about that and sounded, said that, well, proposals are welcome. but of course, it depends what's in that proposal. net raising anticipation. so the chinese to proposal could for instance, call on that call for a stop to any supply of weapons from outside that supplier weapons that has been
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such a lifeline to ukraine so. so obviously a lot to find out still about what that plan could look like and fears. i think a lot of skepticism coming from tony blinking about any plan that might seek to kind of freeze the conflict in the current situation or with a sci fi that may seem like a good thing to stop the fighting stop people getting killed, but could simply mean, is that it creates a fancy, complete that russia holds on to everything that is currently up occupying that, that, and that, that cannot really be acceptable if you look at it from a purpose standpoint of international law. but i think really the, the abiding impression that i got from this panel after watching it for an hour and it comes from the things we were just talking about earlier. and the importance of having voices from outside the west of the organizes here. i've said that
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they're more delegates from the global south this year than at any time before in the mean activity conference does have a history of being a transatlantic conference. but i think in this panel we really saw a sense of a sort of a western bubble. the 3 a foreign ministers were very, very united totally in unity mode. even though there have been a lot of disagreements between the germans and the ukrainians. and the americans and the germans of the last year or so, or some very much in unity mode, very much in diplomatic mode. and nobody sitting there from a country like india or even china, or south africa, or brazil, or almost anywhere else that might have a different perspective on that. i think this panel more than any other over this weekend really brought that to the for that a lot of the diplomats and delegates here talk about wanting to include the opinions of the global south. wanting to include the opinions of countries that he sees things a bit of a different way that was really missing in this last hour. i think no,
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richard thomas richard could appoint, doesn't he? because it almost what's the, i don't know what to say. what's the point of having discussions like this, if you don't include a wide variety of opinions and in the end, you have a couple of people agreeing with each other. what, what, what does that? well, i mentioned it. i mentioned also in my initial answer, the fact that we were basically listening to 3 foreign ministers with a very similar version of what piece would look like. and i can only agree with richard that it would have not only enriched the panel, but it would've actually gave us a clearer understanding of what piece would mean in a more broader sense had we had in that panel, someone from a different country from a different region of the world, because again, is not only china, if you ask certain latin american countries, if you go to african countries, they view the conflict in ukraine with a very different from a very different perspective. they may say it's
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a conflict is happening far away from our borders. they may say, we don't want to be involved. they may say, we have close relationships with russia, and we don't want to affect those relationships. so if the idea is to really have as broader perspective as possible than this kind of panel should have included someone from that part of the world as well. it's still interesting to see what these foreign ministers had to. even though in some cases it was lacking in details, it may sound very nice to say that peace must be just and durable and that in put his hands to stop this conflict. but what does that mean actually in ukrainian in the battle field? what does it mean also in media, in the medium to long term? these are elements that would not necessarily discuss in great detail here. but these are discussions that are happening not only between the united states and europe. they're also happening to a large extent. but in a different way, in other parts around the world. ok,
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i'm just going to pick up on what you have just been talking about both of you to thomas and richard and listen to a sound bite from u. s. secretary of state and nibbling, can talking about really a, his vision for peace in ukraine. we have to do everything in our power to make sure that russia want simply repeat the exercise a year or 5 years later. and among other things, that means making sure that ukraine has the capacity to deter aggression and if necessary to effectively defend against it. so even as we're doing everything we can to provide ukraine with the assistance it needs. now to deal with the russian aggression. we have to be thinking and we are about what the post war future looks like to ensure that we have security and stability for ukrainians and security. instability in europe. that was us there, creature state, antony, blinkin there, richard walker in munich. i wanna come back to you at sort of what antony blinking, just said, there's something to the effect of. well,
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if we don't do enough to deter russia, then it, then other countries may get ideas in, in some that's kind of in the direction he's going. this is something that we've heard throughout the day. isn't it yet? that's right. i mean, it, there's a lot of talk about, you know, what kind of precedents could be set in the experience that we're going through now for the rest of the world. no parallels drawn up with the situation across the taiwan strait. i mean, this is something in an alina babbar said to us in a d w interview last year. it is very important to hold the line against a breach of, of territorial integrity or an invasion of a territory. a, like we're seeing an evasion you retrain. because if you don't, then it could encourage other countries around the world to, to have ideas. and she even referred specifically to china. this is with respect to, to tie one is something that angus the chinese very much because they see taiwan as
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part of their own territory. they say we can't invade part of our own territory. it's you can only invade another country. so know if a lot of hot potatoes around what kind of a precedent is potentially being sent here, wang ye for his part, the tyneesa top diplomat who spoke here earlier gave us very bowlers speech, absolutely unapologetic, pulling no punches whatsoever. blaming in the united states for the state of the world, saying that it's trying to create a new cold war. and, and kind of turning these accusations on their head, you know, to the west is to china. you pay lip service to, to sovereignty and territorial integrity. why don't you stand up for that? in the case of ukraine, the chinese top diplomat turning that on his head and saying, well, the west is trying to undermine what it sees as its sovereignty over taiwan. accusing the west of double standards there. so this scope for really kind of,
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you know, talking past each other and for she is what almost of anger about the various different positions between like the 2 big poles of the world. imagine emerging. now the u. s. lead west and the, or tara positions in richard it, it's funny that you mention that because you know, it forums like the munich security conference when, when leaders like, when ye say things like that, it's kind of diplomacy playing out in public. did you notice any reaction or a to, to what he had to say as he said it? well i, me day there's been a lot of reaction. i mean for instance i one of the main european voices on, on a china i had beauty corpo, who's a german member of the european parliament man who happens to be under chinese sanctions. or from the chinese side in a spat between the mute european parliament and china over human rights in shin jang, where he twisted about that speech just as it finished her. referring to it,
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i think as a tirade. but it was very interesting to see this message from the chinese, really accusing the united states of being behind a kind of a d, a d, stabilizing situation in the world. and trying to pull the world into, into opposing camps, what they refer to as called war mentality. and that's the chinese perspective. or at least you could say the chinese narrative or of the russian war on ukraine. they see american what they perceive as dominance in europe. and american driven expansion of nato into eastern europe. stacy, this is a provocation to russia and something that russia pretty much hadn't had a right to fight back against. of course, if you like that doesn't really pay an awful lot of respects to the rights of the people of ukraine and their right to choose what kind of a future they want. but that's very much of the, the narrative that you have in china. and it's a narrative is picked up in quite
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a few other parts of the world as well. thomas, i just want to pick up on something that richard has just said and, and you know, the view of ukrainians and what ukrainians themselves want. as we talk about them constantly and, and how to help them. but it's about them, isn't it? and we heard from the ukrainian foreign minister in this panel, or i guess repeating a call from valerie vladimir zalinski for, for cricket support and things like ammunition, artillery and tanks. this is not something new. we've heard this a lot and you mentioned already that we heard that in particular from bodinez lensky in his speech or diminished curity conference, basically asking for deliveries to be much faster. there has been a lot of debate, especially among european leaders regarding these weapons deliveries and ukraine in particular, would like that to happen much faster. however, we also heard from the german chancellor saying something again that maybe is maybe
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known here in germany, but not necessarily in other parts of the world at germany to balance this need to help ukraine with avoiding any escalation of the war. but you point to something very important, which is listening to what ukrainians have to seen but and this particular case as to whether ukrainian go man is saying what kind of piece they want. and a clear by the foreign minister was asked that and he spoke of a piece at the short term, which meant ukraine getting back it's territory. and you also spoke about piece at a longer term. so the long term piece as he described, which basically meant compensation, which meant accountability, which meant that russia would have to also change. so this is what we heard from ukraine, that's the goals that they have is not only about having more deliveries or better deliveries are faster deliveries. it's also about this idea of getting back their territory as a 1st measure. and then as a 2nd, measures a longer term measure, this idea of compensation and accountability. ok?
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thomas ferry. we are going to listen to a, during this panel that we are talking about. of course, there was some questions for, for the panelists, coming from the audience. afterwards, there was a ukrainian politician that posed a question to the german foreign minister anna lena bear book. let's have a listen to this exchange. can we give some timeline that will bring more confidence and peace to ukraine and heart? because we understand that we in these shoes already for one year, and we need to calculate how much energy we still have and we will have in the future. thank you. minister i frank and honest on place. i don't know because we cannot give a promise to the people of ukraine when this war will end because we don't know. and it always comes back to the point because it lays in the hand of the russian
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president. but what we can promise is that we are trying to do everything to give you to give the people of ukraine as much as help as you need and knew that was german foreign minister, and alina burbock, we're gonna cut short this discussion between rita, between thomas barrow, me and richard walker and go back to the munich munich security conference. we're going to be listening to a panel show of force or just for short, bolstering nice host easton flank that's being hosted by catalina p. aska. professor, please ask, or if the story is the german for a defense wednesday speaking now for the in levitt's prime minister, senator shaheen. ladies and gentlemen, i'm a child of the cold war. i grew up in austin or a broken, an area where my, where many british soldiers lived with their families. on my way to school, i would often see people in uniform and i looked up to them with useful admiration
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. it all the time when with germany was part of nato's eastern flank. there was an underlying threat that we were always aware of at home. the sight of tangs at checkpoint charlie and the cuban with our crisis had become etched on my parents memory. as would years later, the threat of as, as 20 massage threatening western europe. like many households, the household in germany, we stock piled tint food and other supplies for war, imagined emergency. at that time, the need to alliance secured its eastern flank in my country and germany, so uniforms i saw on my way to school, were a concrete sign of alliance solidarity our allies. whether the united states, friends, the united kingdom, the netherlands, belgium, or canada,
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has made germany security, their own security. i was and i am very grateful for that. and that is why, for me it is only natural that in germany we show the same solidarity. today, the security of the baltics and poland and that of all our allies is also german security. many things to day are different from the cold war era. but sadly, we are again facing a massive threat to our freedom and security. russia is waging a brutal war of aggression and conquest against ukraine. and if putting had his way, this would only be the beginning. russia must not, and will not succeed, with its imperialism and its contempt for international law and international peace architecture. and because neither diplomacy nor tough economic sanctions have
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made putting change, cos hours show of force is the right response. show a force that means on the one hand to strengthen the brave self defense of ukrainian people. i am proud to be able to say germany is among the leading supporters of ukraine. i visited keith. only last week. i spoke with frontline soldiers who were getting ready to the training of the leper tanks and germany. the faces showed the horror of war. at the same time, i saw that morale is unbroken. that education and courage is impressive. i assure presidents zalinski germany will help ukraine for as long as it takes
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together with our european and trans atlantic allies and are made clear ukraine must win the wall of horse. this means on the other hand, that we must strengthen ne to eastern flank. we must strengthen ourselves. when russia attacked ukraine, the alliance reacted quickly and was determination making available. 32000 ground troops, 40140 ships and 135 aircraft at short. notice, this is real and serious deterrents we can and we will defend every inch of alliance territory. together we continue to increase our military presence along the entire eastern flank. an additional $300000.00 troops will be placed on
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heightened alert to serve as a rapid respond force. ladies and gentlemen, be it during the cold war to day beat and formal with germany or just recently in the baltic. so in poland, the united states of america always guaranteed european security. and i am deeply grateful to the american people and president biden, for their commitment to trans atlantic, so dirt solidarity in words. and indeed at the same time, europe must do more a lot more. to me, the formula cannot be ne, to all the european union that has to be ne, 2 and the e. u or more precisely. estrella europe for estrella, nato. this is why we won finland and sweden to join nato, su nato soon in the interest of the security of our. busy finish and swedish
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friends, but also in the interest of, of a strong alliance. germany is working to strengthen the european pillow with nato and enhance the u. s. military capacities and capabilities. for europe, it is all about translating our common responsibility into common strengths through more integrated defense, a fought for military mobility, logistics, and infrastructure to help us manage future troop deployment from the west to east, through common armament and procurement projects. such as, for example, your european sky shoot initiative proposed by germany. this includes and i'm saying this deliberately with regard to my own country. this includes a policy for arms, exports that facilitates corporation in the field. today the german german armed
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forces are crucial for the defense of europe. germany is the lives of european troop, contributed at eastern flank of nato. we have a leading role in providing military support to this rena in poland. in slovakia we have developed patriot addison systems. we are frequently participating in our policing in the baltics, and we will upgrade our activities by having the franco german brigade exercise at least pena and romania and germany stands ready to take on more responsibility to us. national defense equals collective defense. this comes with a price. we have passed the largest funding package in the history of the blunders with 100000000000 euro for the exclusive use of our armed forces. we will,
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we will meet the natal capability capability goes by 2025. we will put a nato disposal, a full army division that has our contribution as a framework nation, open to other nations and their contributions. we are strongly committed to the 2 percent pledged ladies and gentlemen. as you all know, we still have a way to go to get that. i promise i will be working hard to make sure we finally achieve this over you target. we will be a strong military partner cooperating with and supporting it's elias allies. the supplies not only to collect of defense, but also to international crisis management, not only on the eastern flag, but also in other regions where security and stability are at stake. including, for example, the into pacific. ladies and gentlemen,
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many germans know very well what it feels like to be the eastern flank. many journalists know what it is like to live under a dictatorial regime. and many germans are incredibly grateful for the military support the country and its people have received throughout the cold war. i hope that uniforms in german uniforms, in route, la flesh or sham us are nowadays as welcome as british uniforms were in those days when i was a school boy in austin a book and may like help protect freedom and democracy in europe. thank you. thank you very much with his story, as he is about to get on a panel to discuss, show
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a force or just for show bolstering nato's easton flank on day 2 of the munich security conference. you can see the panelist, the rest of the panelists joining mr. historian, now we have the president of lexia, the prime minister of norway and jeanne shaheen, who is a u. s. senator, the panel is being moderated by the chair of the warsaw security forum. cartagena is asking, let's listen to what she's saying. like to ask an address to, to the minister, but before we do let's, let's try to set the stage also from a broader perspective when it comes to fostering resilience in north and east europe. i'll start with president levitt's president levied a year ago just after the russian invasion started. you have expressed concerns as many of your colleagues in the region, including in war, so that it put in is not stopped. and ukraine, he will not only retire borders,
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but potentially even cross our borders a year on after see the unprecedented, i think trap, atlantic unity and what we have brought from madrid and what we are hoping to see in the nato summit. what do you think is the security situation currently in our region? and what do you think is and put these had because you are a very good expert on russia and i think that putting himself so where do you think he stands today? so 1st of all, i would like to say that as this law isa ideological award at 14 has revived as an old. impaired is stick colonialist stick, and tracy st. ideology of the 19th century in the 19th century, as usual,
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lead to at o n t. i to invade as a company as a continents and san is the 21st century. it's strange. but the have this all day. the ology hammer revival of this. a european colonial palace. that announces ideology ideology in the middle of the 20th century without specific difficulties. but the seas that fight asha it is very difficult, dull analysis ideology, and that is still a delilah. and therefore, i would like to say that the a behavior that the head asha is an aggressive country at defense, not only from fulton, also a big part that we don't know how big bod, but a big part of society is supporting this ideology. and therefore, we should count for a long time that the, at our shuttle at
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a main aggressive state a, it is possible to denounce this ideology, but it is, it takes time and it is, it deserves collective efforts. and in germany, a germans, that is abroad for that phenergan hyde, so that it to go on. and till that would be area have gotten that is the data to go and coping with a past in russia. which aware all that method asha has done now. and ukraine and previous in other in other countries would be afflicted and to denounce condemned. death of takes types and b, we have the acted b, i mean, the best nato european union. that was a west as a whole by the west. i think i can include also some countries like japan, like the south korea, australia, new zealand, and so on. the, i have it acted very quickly as a new situation and
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a decision. so the nato summit to strengthen. so strengthens the east and flank of nato. it came timely and now it is the implement we have already started to implement or for a new battle. groups are established in the east and flank countries. are the presence of nato adults. in the latter latino estonia at a good easing. f increased already. it's of it in the next year chapter, but again size and i think this is the right answer. dozer current, a security situation or which is crated, but asha not by us. the a be have only the acted but quickly it acted and we have the acted it alley stick. so a side effect of the situation is that as i mentioned, they have that the some in their best have
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a loss. say it illusions about that. asha about the possibility a source trade to, to get a change as a fee or $2.00, but a mo democracy handle don't find out. i think we can lift that besides this, a, b, l. a only realistic concept is that terence through a credible defense capacities and we had buildings, is credible defense capacities in easton flank, especially, but also in the whole nato. because as you rightly said, that the national defense is collective defense and said together all the 30 and soon $32.00 countries of nato and much smart or strong
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that than at asha. and this is the basis for our security in utah in ins and also planting area. so in the run up to the villainous summit, the nato villainous summit. is there anything more that you expect that would make lots fia lithuania, as tonia, poland. feel safer, or are we on the right track or on that i to that but they should implement now the decisions of the madrid summit and we're on the way to implement them. a, b, b, we have decided to increase the presence of for, of a nato to rob sins about the countries as a bit against size beer doing so, and the by also by positioning of weapons. oh, but also we are expecting that the there will be a d l size or the l. but again says size the chair deployed in the baltic states in
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the next future. or we're looking on that. and this is a message for moscow or fulton, or florida, that nato is strong, that nato is willing to defend the territory of battle. and this is the basis of a piece because not asha will know if that i should attack a nato totally then that i will lose. that would be catastrophic foot natasha. and therefore, diseases as at ease and lie a this ideology which is in principle, aggressive could not succeed when blood to not succeed. thank you very much, president, a prime minister. you are an end of a dialogue. you have over and over again for out your years. as minister of foreign affairs and of course, later as prime minister promoted dialogue across the world. you've also worked very
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closely with a, with the russian federation. and for example, the notation demarkation of your borders. and you said multiple times, that there is a security tool box, a tool box for a security dialogue here in europe that, that does not it forest russia to use mila terry options that, that dialogue is still possible a year into the war. do you think that that dialogue is still possible and that does that tool box still exists? many of us wonder whether or not i see is still a valuable tool for this type of dialogue. today we speak mainly about nato as they're going zation that protects us, provides us with defense. but what about this dialogue? well, i've faced by a full fledged attack war. there's only one response and that is very strong message made it to response. we will defend ourself. we will support ukraine
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in defending itself. it is their right to defend themselves. it's our right to defend them. so norway has consistently from the beginning been supporting ukraine's a struggle. we have just announced a 5 year pledge to your grain. we are going to support them by 7 and a half 1000000000 euros over the next 5 years military civilian humanitarian aid. so thus responds to that kind of behavior. the great tragedy of this war is that europe should have had the 2 books to deal politically with differences. that is putins great sin in a way that he went to fetch mobilization and war in a situation where real differences may occur and you deal with them using that to the books. now, as i said, and you said correctly from the 1st year i was foreign minister from 2005. and
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that's the moment we have to deal with the fact that we have the 170000 square kilometers in the barrens see an arctic sea. that's where dispute to patricia and according to the north of the sea, then you have to sit down on fine. how did you find that border? so we worked on that pretty intensively and all the time when you could work on it . so we negotiate to the limitation, $5050.00, the vision, and the, and the limitation line which was drawn according to more than principles of law of the c i, i take it that would have been almost impossible today under the circumstances. so i think you're the point is we have to look ahead to a europe where countries small and big can be safe. there is no question that nato is the pillar of this defense. that's been for us since 949. it is, has some, in the said collective security across the atlantic. and nato, i think, is so extraordinary elements for both the united states and canada and europe. and
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we have to deepen that corporation. and then we have to lift our eyes and listen to what will europe security or to look like in the future. because they will be a future one day where we have to sit down again and say, how can countries mold and big be safe and secure in europe? and what is happening now, which i think is a fascinating change with the swedish, unfinished application for membership. all of a sudden the geopolitical setting in ne, europe is somewhat changing because now the, the baron see nor no regency and the baltic sea are united in one concept. and the territory can now start to plan for in federal probability. i will be in stockholm on wednesday with the finish president and swedish prime minister to discuss what does this mean for northern scandinavia in terms of coordination? we are doing our german minutes just assigned with my foreign defense minister and
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m. o you on how we do military equipment and development. we are buying the same submarines. we have ordered a new layer port tanks from germany. so we can start to look at the consistency of an alliance, which is there to provide security for all member states. we are also bordering russia, but we have a different experience unlocked via estonia and the swain. yeah, and that's the great thing about nato. that is that we can pull our experience or resources to provide collective security. is there any area resilience that you are particularly may be worried about when it comes to russia and not wait? because you are in a bit better, as you say, position than some of our neighbors and nato member states that you know how well is your weight and preparing to withstand different types of from hybrid attacks, kid to even a potential war. well, i think this is a very important issue to be discussed in our democracy is what is resilience? really, it's
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a very broad concept because it's obviously about defense about hard capabilities and we have to provide them. they have to be relevant. but we see in ukraine today that recipients is more than only weapons. it's about the mentality, it's about values. and when i visit ukrainian trips and then when i visit ukrainian civilians, i see you know that there is a will there as something which binds them to get on something which has united them tremendously during this year all against boot insults. so when we, we have in norway now 2 big commissions working one on pure defense issues, but also what we call total defense. and that is, you know, looking into home to salient is society. in our civilian spheres, are our companies aware of what, what threats we may be faced with from a hybrid warfare from intelligence operations from a cyber attacks? are we a sufficient, they provided with civilian reserves to withstand the pressure that you've seen
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when you crane? so resilience, it's a broad notion norway, you know, or we don't see that there is a specific, at the time military threat against our country. we are next to rushes nuclear arsenal in the north, and lot of the ground forces russia house in the north have been removed and sent to ukraine. a many of those forces will not come back because they have been eliminated in ukraine. but still we are under the pressure, you may say from that intelligence from the hybrid, from the covert operations. and we are, we have to be prepared in all sectors to face that. absolutely. and i have to say, i participated in many exercises, policy gays where style balance was theoretically attacked by the russians. so that is also somewhere in the military consideration by, you know, it's, it's, but i'll tell you on that note, you know, northern norway is an area for superb winter exercises. and part of our resilience is that our allies and partners from continental europe come and join us in
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exercising under those winter conditions. that's part of that nato solidarity, which i think is giving us security. excellent, thank you so much and minister at 1st about thank you for a great address and we, we heard for as long as it takes and we must win this war. it's not enough for lee crane not to lose this war. we have to win this war, but all so what would you tell today the ukrainians who say we can't have as long as it takes this task to and as soon as possible, because also ukraine and the ukranian people cannot go a for ever fighting this war. and dying on behalf of us on behalf of democracies a. what would you say to be ukraine is today that i fully agree there's that can't be any doubt about that. and what are we going to do? we and we had we, germany for only germany alone can't do a lot. we can do a lot for ourselves. we have to do it collectively with a nader,
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with our allies and do with everybody who's able to, to help and to support ukraine. but still it's, it's a way to go, we don't know how long it takes. well, what, what we have to do is to support ukraine, as i mentioned in my short speech as much as possible, as, as long as it takes. but we don't know as long or how long it will take and therefore we have to improve and to improve edward chief, especially in context with our defense industries, to improve the productive of production and capacities. we need to, to discuss what we can do for a joint. brooke, procurement, for example, our standardization of ammunition are auto procurement of ammunition as soon as possible, and as fast as possible. and at the same time. and that is the dilemma. and the challenge at the same time, we have to assure, assure that we will be able to, to refill our obligation in the nato and our toe of our allies. that we are always
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able to defer to defeat enemies and to defend europe. and they do a territory. this is a dilemma at the same time as quickly as our stocks are emptying. we can't, we can't refill in the same time or in a, in a adequate equivalent time. so this is a dilemma at the moment. therefore, we have to do both in a balance and very mindful it. you've said also about your absolute personal commitment to the to percent deep in spending that is required from all nato at member states. and you've also announced some time ago that you would like to raise the identify understand from 50000000000 to 6xb1xb rice it in the next year. if that's correct, do you have supports in the canceling? because i know you have support in the parliament for that decision. well,
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my position is a defense minister of germany, and i have to take, i have to pronounce and to announce very clear what i think what is necessary for our obligations. con, regarding the bonus and of cause of the nato. this is my responsibility and i have to clearly to say what is necessary. the 2nd step is to negotiate with our partners of the coalition. negotiating was a parliament, with by friends from all the parties of the parliament. this is a hot discussion, may be, but are you optimistic? what that does negotiations, are you optimistic about these negotiate? i'm always of them is if you look at my face and i'm always optimistic because we experienced during the last months a 180 degrees tom and german in the opinions of german regarding military questions, military issues, nato. and of course, what's going on and ukraine, people changed their mind,
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they changed their perspectives. i would never have expected that, that would be just a possible in germany. and from my point of view, it's on the same to others in the same moment that so it's a bit sad. as i tried to say in my speech that i, in my age of 62, i am forced to, to spend billions of money for weapons after having grown up and lifted the time in which we all thought and believed we would never face again. war in europe. this is incredible is horrible, but still people are learning it at for moment and very quickly, much faster than i expected. thank you very much. and then to start a senator, a we've heard to bay from vice president harris about the iron clod commitment of the united states to nato. article 5, we have seen, you know, an unprecedented visit of a number of senators congressmen here in munich. we're also expecting prison by
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then, as i said in poland this week. so i think all those chosen credible support for nato, for the eastern flank of nato, for our region as a whole. but at the same time, to day in the morning, a question was asked to the minister of foreign affairs of china about tie watt. whether he can, i think it a professor you soon get asked that question whether he can promise that china will not attack taiwan. and we heard back would that taiwan is part of china. so there was not only no promise, but i think, you know, many people said here we're preparing for another war. do you imagine a situation, i'm sorry to asking this hard questions in which we would have to have our attention in 2 different places on the pacific and here in central and eastern europe with 2 conflicts at the same time? is america prepared for? this is the task atlantic alliance prepared for such
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a worst case scenario. and what does that mean also for the resilience of our region where america attention had to be pulled back into the pacific? well, can everybody hear? i know there's a little echo. that's why winning the war and ukraine is so important because you can bet that china, iran, north korea, all of our adversaries are watching what happens in ukraine. and they're looking to see if the west can stay united. if we can continue to support nato, if we can continue to support ukraine and they're going to make a calculation about what comes next based on the outcome of this war. and so that's another reason why what everyone here has said is so important and why strengthen the nato and the eastern plank is so important. and why looking at some of the other areas that nato is wayne into are important. so nato is working around
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cyber is very important as i talk to countries in eastern europe and southern europe. they're very worried about cyber attacks. and you know that in the baltics, mr. president, we saw austonia was the 1st country to, to be subject to a major cyber attack by russia. we also saw in the madrid summit, where we had 4 asian countries that attended the summit, australia, new zealand, japan and south korea. the expansion of nato to engage asian countries in the conversation is really important. because what we're seeing in the sworn ukraine is that it doesn't just affect europe, the united states. it affects the entire world. and to the extent that the shipping lanes in ukraine have closed down so that food is not available to africa,
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that rushes cut off its energy to europe and to the united states and other countries that affects energy around the world. we are all connected and we need to start behaving as everyone here is said, like we're all connected and like we all have something at stake here. thank you very much as senator for this. let me also thank you for the really incredible by pardon, since support that, that effort to help ukraine has fostered in the congress since they won. i think he were way ahead of the administration in terms of, you know, saying we need to do everything that is possible in the 1st base and and weeks of this war. but how confident are you that this bipartisanship will prevail beyond 2023 and even more so 2024 if necessary. i think it will continue as
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long as we need to support the war effort. sen rish, who is the vice chair, the ranking member of our senate foreign relations committee, who is a republican and i let a delegation last fall and we got this question a lot. and i thought he did a very good job of answering that. he said, congress is a very wide range, represents a wide range of the public in the united states. and so we may have a few people on either extreme as we have some people on the extreme in the country who don't support this war. but the majority of republicans and democrats, senate and house are going to do everything we can to ensure that ukraine has what it needs to win this war. thank you very much, and thank you, senator. and because we are really left with 1015 minutes, i would like to take
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a few questions from the floor. our 1st question is actually going to be asked to buy one of our mini a young leaders at most. i can use case not to quote, which is who is the chief expert that the department of the committee for you effort that the chancery of the prime minister followed by yes. could the floor is yours. so think it is ok, so thank you very much. it has been a very interesting discussions or, oh, i mean, the things that have been said, of course, as you all said, our distinguished speakers are the concept of resilience is vast. and we could have spent probably 2 or 3 more hours discussing what does it really mean? ah, but one particular thing that i would like to follow up on as a point that has been made by the law as president. so already in 2016 or during the or so summit. ah, allies have agreed that
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a resilience is really the prerequisite for a roberts r deterrence and defense posture. and since then in madrid last year, ah, it has been the writer rated. that resilience is actually a national responsibility, but also at the same time, a collective commitment. so with this whole vast concept, if there was one thing that you would have to narrow it down to in order to make sure that we would, ah, foster care this, ah deterrence, by punishment in the north eastern region, northeast and frank, what would it be if you had to choose one critical our measure activity area where we should foster our aah. resilience. who wants to start to
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president? would you like to say what is truly important to bay for, for, for lots he, us and lot of his ability to withstand the type of challenges we're going to see for our security. it is elian's is a very broad notion as the but i minister said, and it has speaking about societal a zillions. then of course, her commitment of the society to our values. i think this is the basis and all other things fall politics at law. and so on and out. so our defense commitment of defense did eyes from our values. if our values are demography freedom, then of course all or that actions of the politics follows. and if i am allowed only to choose one thing,
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then i would choose value values, very different presidents so that we remain committed to our values. everything that follows. prime minister, do you agree and to any other areas? i think i can agree i'm in. so if, if i had the one in 5 seconds, i would of course agree with values, and then we can have a long discussion on that. i would, i would still add another relevant when it comes to understanding the effects or one more year in a war in ukraine. have a good dialogue with our military and say what lesson several non. what have you learned in terms of russia's ability and lack of ability? what have you learned of the quality of our weapons on the lack of quality or weapons? now take back one important lesson and that this is to defend yourself from long range missiles defend your troops, defend your cities, defend your, your water, electricity, utilities. so, you know, there are lessons to be learned here. i think the minister mentioned one point,
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which is how do we get our military or defense industry to work at the speed and scope which is adapted to our times. you know, when i was foreign minister, i was granting export licenses for military equipment, alto, norway, but us prime minister, i have seen the effect of this, these weapons only european scene. for example ne, sam's air defense. what that means, walter, it means to have operational, long term, an artillery. but when it comes to replenishing the needs and the and the stock points, we have a challenge and we really have to get again, gary going. so i would agree with values i would talk about the use. i would say that young people, where do they get their opinions shaped and who is feeding their their, their i phones with ideas. and how can we match the key ideas of democracy,
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solidarity what it means to be a community, against the enormous influx of information that shape young people's values the when the bill so on, on that or city and so on. on the hard material side, i think we ever listens to learn. yes, i'm sorry, senator, what you wanted to add to this, please. yes, i would add accountability to that because as our vice president said this morning, people who commit crimes against humanity has to be held accountable. and if, if dictators thanks, they can do what vladimir putin is doing in ukraine with no accountability. then they're going to be willing to do it again and again and again. so i think we really need to look at how we hold people accountable for atrocities that their committee thank you very much. yes. minister the source of them. so
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rural, i think it's working now the work. yeah. okay. those are the more credit thought it now. yeah. i don't think it's on i think we'll need somebody from the technical team to help us. i yeah. this is mike of red light is not so sure. democratic party has a chairman of the early fifties. so his name was coach. huh. and he used to say politics has always to start with a realistic look at reality. and i think this is true, and this is a very, very strong and very important base skill to be able to become and to stay resilient. because if you dream, if you think the ward is another than the one i want to live in, then you will fail in, well, in operating what is going to,
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what is necessary to do. and i believe that awareness, an optimistic but realistic look on the until the world is the most is the best thing for especially for the young generation to see how it, how she can manage and organize and operate the future with friends and allies. and especially towards our enemies. so to be aware, to be wake, to know what is going to do and, and to stand together with a well use. we just mentioned, this is the best start condition we can, we can wish thank you so much. we have really a few minutes left and i'll just take 2 more questions, the lady in the back, and then add on that issue we have here in the front, so we'll take them together and this is going to also be a final and segment please. thank you so much. i'm member gonna henkie from her to
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school in berlin. i have a question to everybody, but the german defense minister, ha, i you were happy with german policy toward the eastern end northern europe. and if there was one wish you could waste toward germany, what would it be? thank you for that question. it either. so you have the same. maybe you haven't question to your minister and under mike as coming. thank you very much. indeed, i could align with the speaker just now. the name of the panel is show a force or just for sure. it is also a show of justice for ukraine. and therefore, i applaud the german defense minister for his clear statement that ukraine must win . mister minister, this is a change in the german attitude, and i am grateful for that. but what does it mean?
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and 2nd to the others. what does this mean for russia? i believe russia must learn to lose. but what does this mean? ukraine has to win for russia. thank you. so the last segment is about germany. however, the stack president really unhappy with her was germany. yes, i'm happy with germany because a germany has a after a period of affliction, the reflection of the after 70 years of pacific meanings or so and creek a very quick, i would say follow historical point of view. in few months, a changed as a situation and came to our realistic approach to ality as there could. children have sat in the fifty's and i think the can only be happy with this. so change,
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and i did go change her speech of her chancellor's shoulds or 3 or 4 days after their beginning al serra and i for an attack was, are ready, has already said that it will be a german politics. but then of course, the area politics followed a little bit late that so after 7 months. so, and i think as an earlier in line with the whole nato alliance, germany and all 17 that 9 other members close at 2 new members, b as b have reached a consensus. a ukraine should when left, you'll set for today. and of course, you'll get a bill when after our statement here. so and yeah, i'm sorry, please continue. yeah, no concerning
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a germany. so what that means for russia for asha, that means to go back to their toilet on board eps. it's so simple door to ration borders that go back to the ocean borders. it's very simple. or, of course it could be certain explanations for action side, but without that, that would not be a lasting peace. and elastic beast can be based on the injustice and a piece of it would be and just thought ok, unions of course is not the last thing piece. i would outsider. member that then laterally i in estonia, lithuania in the west, in ukraine. 10 years after the 2nd world war, during the soviet occupation, as i was how, what is that on that assistance or at assistance against the ration occupants?
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and i cannot imagine that there would not be of assistance that assistance in the occupied territories. so lasting piece would be based on the injustice and justice beans, or for the go back to the own. internationally recognized, bought us. that is no problem. financial for that. thank you very much and it has been prime minister very briefly. germany, are you satisfied aggression question? what happens next? well, my answer is yes, and i think the great thing about nato is that have certainly come to this with different positions, sister's backgrounds, we come together and we pool these experiences. some we become stronger together. being in neighbor with russia has some different historic meaning being loved to be, i'm being in norway, we have different experiences. we come to begin around support each other. we are with germany in this way. now working together. if i'm on prime minister in norway, i have to understand what does it mean to be transfer of germany?
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what, what history you bring with you will present to bring with you and what future lights ahead. how do you play those cards in a way that can maximize what we shall do together? and i believe that germany has been fortunate to have had wise chancellors who been able to strike this balance, which only the chancellor can do. and i'm happy to note that as being as an are which you know, we have extended our defense corporation. we german a significantly in recent times that is based not only on trading material militarily, but it's also on this foundational common values on working together and having a perspective. so i think what the chancellor did few days off to the occupation is of historic proportions. and you know, i depend on succeeding that the minister helps me succeed and i know that for germany to succeed germany counseling european partners to succeed and across the atlantic. so yes, you know, i think this conference has also confirmed that in germany and we are on the right
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track, but it will require tremendous effort every day from all of us. thank you. thank you very much, and we'll go back to your minister at the end. a sen. yes, i think we're very happy with germany. commitment to you and partnership on this support for the warren ukraine. and i am reassured, mr. minister by year commitment to the 2 percent, i have g d p for defense spending that commitment to nato on russia. absolutely. we need to go back to the 1991 warners. and more importantly, we also need to think long term about how we deal with it and with other dictators . and that's why the strength of nato, why the deterrence that we're talking about is so important. thank you very much, sen, minister. if it was up to this panel, you already have the 10000000 in your budget and your defense budgets. and however,
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we wish you might say luck with that if you could address the last question we had a, you know, what does a concrete be mean, a support that ukraine needs in terms of, of course ammunition in terms of, in terms of tanks. but also fighter guess, where is the red line for germany, or is there any? well, i lot of friends to, to be frankly, to define publicly red lines. this is always a strategic disadvantage. we will see how it is going on, and then we can define internally, water to red line, or was it not because otherwise i really do provoke as us to do what they want to do to provoke us. so let's, let's stay calm. keep cool and, and to estimate the things how they really are. and i fully agree with my pre, the says a concerning the definition of who, what is,
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what does that mean winning the war? but even more important question is from my point of view, from my perspective, how do we get that? what is the way to go there? because everlasting wall, with huge affords of munition and weapons and lots of human beings can't be what we really want during the next years. so there must be an exit strategy to achieve what we just said. ukraine must be a wind the war, but therefore we need a position of strengths, the position, which is clear towards russia. and of course, we needed a plan for afterwards. what is going on afterwards after the wall, in the case ukraine won the war? how do we deal with russia, with whom, as president, put in a pre, as a successor? what is what is happening to the russian federation? what does that mean?
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what doesn't have an, as an impact of the situation of peace and co existence in coexistence in germany and europe. and those are the questions i am really concerned of afterward. but this is a discussion we have to, we have to to lead maybe behind closed doors and very calmly too. but we have to think about it while we do everything to support ukraine. absolutely. thank you so much minister our time is unfortunately. thank you for the questions. i thank you for being with us and let's give a great round of applause to our panel today. even watching a panel at the 2nd day of the munich security conference, whole free lunch. he's visions for ukraine. you just saw germany, foreign minister handling a bare book, antony blinking, the u. s. secretary of state and ukraine's foreign minister. or i'm sorry, this is the wrong panel. we are worth speaking, of course,
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with the prime minister of norway. jean shaheen, who is a u. s. senator and we also had boris historian, the german federal mentor of defense, as well as the president of latvia with me here in the studio to, to summer up. everything that we have been hearing today is thomas barrow, dw security correspondent, and of course, dw is chief. political correspondent, nina has a, at the munich security conference. nina, let's start with you. what is some of your main takeaways from what you just heard? well i would say jared. a this again, was one of the many panels that we've seen here, right? damn the munich security conference this year, that focused on ukraine and specifically on the consequences for europe from russia were of aggression against you training. this is of course, not a surprise versus war of aggression against ukraine has really thrown up europe into the air. lots of the long standing principles were broken with, and this is
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a message that keeps ringing through all the messages delivered here by political leaders. so it was very europe test and of course on the panel end of the representatives of countries that share a common vision that share common values that are members of the european union. if you speak, of lack there in germany. but what did stand that for me if you want to look at the nuances that are still very interesting for us journalists and international observers as well, was that boris to stories, the new german defense minister actually said that ukraine must win this war. now this is interesting because his boss, so german chancellor will actually have so far, still not to use these words will have shows, keeps sending the same message that ukraine must, of course, prevail and that russia must not prevail. hooton's aggression. and his revisionist ideas must not prevail,
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ukraine must not lose is lashona this message. so that was one of the main takeaways for me personally as an observer, saying that the german defense min minister, he's now in his job, is more outspoken than his predecessor. and there's potentially also challenging his chancellor behind closed doors. nina, what i, when we're talking about germany, you know, we also, the panelists were asked to give an assessment of germany. so far. we know that germany lately necessarily hasn't been in the good books of its allies, but they were largely complimentary and is clearly a demonstration of western unity. they sent me an ex security conference this year, people and thanking germany for this and for the leadership role that it is taking are also tony blink and the foreign minister of foreign secretary of the united states said earlier today that germany is now the 3rd largest contributor in terms
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of support for ukraine weld wide after the u. s. and the u. k. so this is suddenly something where all the criticism has gone away. we all remember the discussions about is germany going deliver those leopard to battle tanks to ukraine or isn't it is left i was going to give the green light or isn't he than he did? and now suddenly, germany is finding itself in a position where it's having to remind partners to also live up to their own promises. also alina bab, oaks at the same thing about that of the big problem that we have. if we look at as apply for ukraine, it's not just battle tanks. it's that basically the topic of ammunitions is going to dominate and the debates among security experts and on the lena babcock holden, old partners who have ammunition for the ghetto, for example, to deliver them. ok, nina, has it in munich? thank you so much. thomas barry will come to you for this past hour. been hearing these ministers and, and various officials. what's your takeaway?
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i would actually go beyond only this past hour. we've been hearing now for 2 days. all sorts of international lead us talk mostly, but not only about the war in ukraine. if i had to summarize what we've heard so far. the main takeaways i would say 1st, the west seems mostly aligned when it comes to helping ukraine economically. politically, militarily it's, they've described it most european leaders, for example, that only as a conflict that we see on the battle ground in ukraine. but also, as i mean, as through very katy with values. however, there are different countries in other regions that see the current conflict in a very different way. china, one very concrete example. so that's one take away. second, european leaders in particular seem to be preparing for a conflict that will take some time. they don't see an end in sight very soon. now, 3rd hand in hand with this point, there is no dialogue now in sight, not the time for dialogue. we heard such lead as mentioned that in the 4th one, particularly from today. and also from this final panel,
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there are different meanings as to what piece would be. it's clearly in everyone's mind how to end the conflict. but the seem to be different versions of how that good end and what a piece would mean in ukraine from western leaders. we hear that should be just and durable, but they seem to be other proposals as a how that piece could be achieved. again, for example, from china, those would be my key takeaways from these 2 days of the munich security conference security correspondent, thomas barrow, breaking down day 2 of the media security conference. thanks so much. ok, let's get a recap now of our top story. global leaders have been meeting here in germany for the munich security conference. u. s. secretary of state antony blinkin told delegates there can be no neutral position in the war of aggression asked about weapons deliveries for ukraine. he said it takes time to start production lines. german foreign minister and
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a lena bear book said she could give no guarantees as to when the war in ukraine could enter every other country around the world or to that seat for now. well, my car is my colleague eddy will be back at the top of the al. we've mall world news. i'm jared radian berlin. do stay with this is d that lead news? africa was a special program from nigeria where an upcoming election could set this country on a new path. in the face of multiple crises and among nigerians is palpable. so could this vote to pick a new president awaken the giant in africa's biggest economy? the race to replace mohammed dubois harry is focusing in on 3 candidates. nigeria needs fixing, so who among them can get the job done? more young people have registered to vote in this election than ever before. we
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will hear from the youth which could decide this election and the escalating cash shortage will be the most immediate challenge for the new president. the prices has triggered and risk people protesting and burning back. no, you cannot fix your own money. i thought it was kind of got mixed. we're all on greet. we're all on weight. well agreed with the votes that can be bought in this election will tell you who was selling them and at what price? ah. hello from city gates in a boj, i'm christine mando. it is good to have your company. now, jerry's election on the 25th of february could be a turning point for the country. we will be hearing from people about what is at stake for them in this vote. mom
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a double. harry is leaving office off to 2 terms. and he hands over a country that is on the brink. the economy is under performing unemployment and inflation, or soaring with millions, living in abject poverty, security remains a major problem. islamist insurgents are waging terra in the north and criminal gangs are kidnapping people, including school children for ransom. this is africa's biggest oil producer, yet it suffers feel scarcity. so who thinks they're up to the monumental task of fixing nigeria is problems. officially, there are 18 candidates, but only 3. have a realistic chance. here's my colleague for our chicago was more oh, the governing, apc is fielding bala. i met cinnapool. he is a former governor and political godfather of nigeria commercial hub lagos. he
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points to his record of shaping the regions or band development and economy growth . but he's also been accused of corruption claims he denies sinner who is pledging to continue. many policies of current presidents will ha, medical hurry like big government spending and a clear focus on industrialization and agriculture route. ah, with the main opposition pdp is running with a to cooperate backer, a former vice president. he's selling himself as the man with the most experienced . what he to is subject to allegations of grafts. he's proposing a lean. gov means an a private sector driven economy that would focus on boosting small businesses. he also wants to strengthen national unity by devolving power or
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with the nurses of london. we'll decide no puzzle. did marginalize what one man could yet provide nigeria with a political upset pulse put for my god. no, peter will be up among the front runners. a 1st for his labor party, obese, promising spending costs investments and agriculture reforms to restart trust in the police and 0 tolerance for corruption. he denies media allegations of secret business dealings. his tapped into must've support from young people who said they are tired of the stacks of school. oh, oh, oh. oh, who ever wins nigeria most contested election would take on
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a challenging job with my jury as wasn't being economic and security problems at the top of the list. one of the most pressing challenges is the countries shortage of hard cash. the government decided to replace the local currency with new bank notes, leading to a scarcity of money, and triggering violent unrest across the country. i went out to see for myself what impact the lack of cash was having on daily life. i am outside a bank in central, a boucher people have been doing for our was trying to withdraw money. you'll see crowds gathered outside virtually any 80 m that is dispensing cash. some people are even sleeping outside of banks just to be 1st in line. now if you do get a turn, you can only withdraw a maximum of 10009. that's about 20 us dollars and this is our own want option. um, so for i don't know. i know mom basra going to have drawn out drinking water. i had
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money market when i bought my federal withdraw this money, the shortage of cash came off to the government introduced newly designed notes of the local currency. the narrow, the central bank would you see behind me said the measure was mentor. flush out fake money from the system and to tackle inflation and corruption by reducing the amount of money held outside of banks. so initially people were given a 6 week period to deposit their old notes in the bank off to which those old notes would no longer be accepted. the problem is it's very difficult to get your hands on the new notes because there aren't enough of them in circulation. while some people are able to make it see payments using mobile money transfers and digital banking 1000000, small con, 6 in 10. nigerians don't have a bank account now at places like this. vendors who trade in the informal sector have told me they mostly rely on cash to conduct their business. many people have
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godaddy, they have got to do audi, did rituals. so i know why that does this. although jackson, president mohammed dubois, he promised to solve the crisis, but waits on and the situation has only worse. and now the countries highest court got involved in the matter. it rolled that the old notes could still be used as legal tender even past the deadline that was given by the central bank. but traders won't accept the old notes because they're losing value. and there's a black market where you can buy the new notes. but you have to pay a premium. for 3 years ago in 2020 young people fell the streets of nigeria, furious at police brutality and poor government. this place, unity fountain in a butcher is one of the places where people turned out to protest. they were protesting against the notorious police unit hoard saws. the protest went down in
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history as the end saws movements to day the grass roots movement has been mobilizing to encourage more young people to vote, and 10000000 new voices have registered. as most of them are below the age of 35, this could be a game changer in the selection. did up news barraged to cora, met with one of the organisers and takes a look at how young nigerians are turning political. oh, this is new. a political riley full of young people, infuriated by named jerry as feeling economy, security, health and education. our systems via calling for fundamental change and as elections approach, these people c, b, t, r o b is the right candidate for the job. 6 this is mark, you know, segment. although i don't rob that are those who are born. we had no,
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i've been and it to work a country to go like a gun to go forward. the gun like put a new face that changed who really wants in the country. yes. if you've died those and our finished job in this light is going to his goal for this is where the fresh political engagement is rooted 3 years ago, people field nigeria, streets with fury at police brutality and back governance, their rallying cole. i ain't sounds in notorious police units. the mass demonstrations attracted all ages. i show you so full says she took part for the next generation. i want the nigeria else to d, than i did i use of to day to be able to have the, the nigeria that i say you wanted to how, but i never got an i would i go by this slide that live the spice for my children.
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i'll ride that puts my life on the line. do all i need to do and show like i get the country that i need to get. what did i just sitting down? i'm doing nothing. and then some years from now my to don't be the ones having to fight for the most basic things like don kilos or delaney. i know she has risked her life with her act to visit this picture of her and kneeling in front of young protest as in a boucher as police fire shots and tear gas became a symbol for revolting against bad governance. at the time that the police were coming out to our tub, then i came to the front and i said to the police, if you're going to kill any old bed, you have to put up will actually 1st she was not injured, but armed men shots and cute protest. as at the lackey toll gates illegals, it's dawned many young people, but they're so full says she's delighted to see young people who are still engaging
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in politics and ready to votes. it's such deprived happiness. i'm elated at what is happening right now because this is the 9 today youth taking ownership of the attention and coming out to say that they're mata and they're going to ensure that everybody hears it loudon. but no matter how pizza will be performed on election day. yes. who says the facts that young people are making their voices heard means be have already won a watch indeed opinion africa we're, we're looking ahead to the election here in nigeria. let's get some analysis now. and for that, i'm joined by matson over know he is a political analyst, as well as a human rights lawyer at thank you for being on the program. martin. we know that more young people than ever before have registered to take part in this election. will young people make the difference? young people can make a difference in the selection idea. we'll definitely make it
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a lot of difference in the selection because most of the things are happening in nigeria affects them. and so the, the transfer of aggression from an sas under sufferings, under unemployment, that is going on is affecting him. and so i see that this election is going to make a difference because it will definitely come out. and if you look at the statistics of the highest number of votes in terms of the mac, i mean, what does it fibbs of harrisburg, number of various advertisement of, of demography. you see that young people actually have more? uh, more india foot. i register. so the election definitely be determined by young people who feel that's nigeria hasn't given them what they really deserve. this. there's a lot of excitement around peter o be specifically among the youth. and is he the knight in shining armor that many people think he is? he looks like as a matter shutting m o b o. the elections however, but in terms of debt, you know, the obese candidacy does not portrayed a kind of depth, especially in terms of profile,
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in proper economic solutions. when you listen to him talk, he tells you i'm, i'm going to change or transform nigeria from consumption to production. but the problem, the question is how they is know how to what starts when you ask him about insecurity, the level of insecurity nigeria and how he hopes to, you know, prevent insecurity. code insecurity. he tells you skipping his, these chest doesn't want to let itself. but that's not how it works, right. you tell people how you want them to vote how you fix the extra credit the situation. so for example, if you wanna fix a kerosene measure, it took about division of the most major police department in engine on police. and coders, state police in the major and the proof the police force, including the niger and equip intelligence gadri and, you know, decide these things issues safety your election for them to know you don't tell them that you're keeping it to your test because it isn't. so for those who have depth, they are looking at this month. i see if he's not the person, he doesn't have the right solution. as an indirect question, he doesn't have what he really takes to fix nigeria. and he doesn't have the
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population to make the elections. we understand that nigeria has a lot of challenges right now. taking over from mama jabari is going to be a monumental task in terms of piecing this country together. what's it going to take and can these candidates, any one of them actually live up to that? the 1st 2 things, anybody who is going to in the election was due, will be to 1st of all, give you a sense of belonging to unity of purpose. you know, once you rename it, we'll see unite the country to come on purpose and go, you'll be able to get the country, you'll be able to give them hope you be able to fix the economy. you did with 6 security and the rest of us. so currently defects and the most important thing is to help let every nigeria and feel like they're doing is taking this country. unless you do that every single phone, especially the economy on the security situation. i want us now to look
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specifically at the issues pertaining to the actual vote. now martin, the authorities have introduced a new system in undertaking the election. will it help to take care of the issue of a fraud? yes. is going to help the credibility of the elections because it's held to the people who register, who are credited to pulling units. it also helps to check the credibility and the integrity of the elections in terms of also the biometric. that is the method that is needed to identify who is within and who is not. and also is going to help in terms of transmission of results. you know, so when results are done on content, you did the last, you know, for me it's a will be taking a picture of it will be picking up transmitter to the so yes, you're going to help a lot in terms of mentoring the credibility of the elections, do you have any concerns about the integrity of the selection?
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will this election be free and fair elections for me? i can see that the election will be free, unfair, because there's been a lot of steps that i've been a lot that's. i've been sick into it from uncertainty credibility of your election . for example. we now have the biometric system of accreditation and also the electronic transmission of results. however, that's the power that the government has to do. what is right. but then how about the real, you know, on the day of elections, i do really willing to conduct a free and fair elections. that's another question we're supposed to ask him. and then the 2nd question will be the logistics in terms of, you know, conducting the election. so it will, i may be able to trans ports and transports much of the right time to the right places at the right location. and on same be able to also carry those materials back to read the ought to be safe. we dealt into firms, so decide the question, how big is the risk of violence breaking out around the selection because of the
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initial elections? definitely violent violence or flashpoints in nigeria. and i can see that, that some of these flash points will be in areas where they got the contestation. so for example, illegals where people would be making see us in the season, you know, from the, from the christ and company. and also young people, there will be an attempt to try to suppress is with us i'm, he would react, there will also be some level of the flush once invested. for example, where the pdp comes tits. gov know is fights in the presidential candidates and he supports in another pot to cliff were for co, semantic philosophy. so there would be some level of fights on in that's in reverse it. i'm somewhat puzzled the countries ah martineau, thanks very much for your time. ah, with so many straggling tickets i people are forced to put up for sale, whatever they have and that includes their votes. dw, a mce acoya traveled to
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a community in north east and nigeria, where people are offering their votes to the highest bidder. but she also met one man who's trying to persuade them not to the says, no man in animal estate in a generous north east. where volts buying and selling is an open secret. political agents bring money, which trickles through a system of fixes and organizers to individual voters. william clark is the community leader who says, vote buying and selling happens a lot. so we give this people money on the last we day agent. once you have agreed to give them vote, the agent will last signal, maybe if you maybe you would it or not? i did process with him. you go on, tom print a gun. tom, prince de passing. you like a deposit of fall lint, the ballard paper. you secretly sure the isn't so did you see what your,
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what did for the new, signaled they become, was on the old pair, your money. that is what dish obtainable indiscriminate many people are poor and this. so what they can include in devotes. this man is one of the few who will admit to it's, but as an integral act. so we have concealed his identity on the when this either acrobat or something that i need that i don't have if i am given it when i can change my mind and vote for the person, i didn't intend to vote for initially, because i need money. see that that is what is happening in my polling unit. no, that doesn't benefit me because mostly they'll give me 200 nearer for me to sell my vote. it last in the last election. i was given 500 nearer. that's the amount i was given and that's the highest i've gotten me. oh, i do know saburo is a teacher here. he says politicians exploit and poverty by buying votes ignore us under the pin editor of poverty by the political elite,
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the people are very poor. knows on people and sometimes it would believe that your voice doesn't the of what's, doesn't conte, no disease believe that even if you know what, they're cygwin to give the person that they don't feel given. so these what is causing all this? and so people just let me just call it my share and let me just go, i know to do so people do so dogwood forest lost 200 nero and desired i because i remember during the last i look how government on how much you go on that was conduct with you, the pu so ago, vote for us last 200 that i saw 100 narrow us. what a votes cough here about price. i could buy 3 both for best launch gary and go to mit. it smells really great. by the way. what by in seems to be widespread here, although it's impossible to see how come on it is in other areas of the country. we little class says he has sin the practice, impoverish his people, and stop the community moving forwards. he's trying to persuade people to use the
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of all, it's not so them we're trying as much as people, but as possible because we can to tell from the community the huge damage elisha's also where sensitizing them to linda and i just long time for you know, to send your vote with to follow your conscience. go over the right candidate on one the busing. if you wanted, we them class is determined to make people see the votes out what more when used, rather than the sold as many. and my jerry is feel the pinch off a high cost of living and a lack of opportunities. thousands of them are leaving in search of better opportunities elsewhere. those abroad don't have a valid but they have already voted with their feet. dw is shown in the wild look sad, nigeria is brain drain, and meets one young expands, now living in berlin. if things were different by whom in nigeria,
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emanuel says he would never have moved to work in germany. the software developer is one of thousands of skilled workers leave in, in the biggest talent drain nigeria has seen in decades. insecurity is a major reason. a nurse friend of a friend are got cute. all of the sort of just certain sweeter escape was that niger i would not. and me and the next news was like was shots you know to so actually could be me. now he finds life easier. basic amenities like in, in nigeria, like a reliable power supply or abundant here. you also think about the pioneers things and said also like worry about having to think about your electricity, the fog burnouts like by few think of generator and elsewhere. well, if i got swim for a few like i was like, walk on the road, i would walk underwritten. i'm scared of the far down ones like chickens like drinkin soon. but the biggest issue is jobs. most want to move to the u. s. the u.
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k. and canada, in the u. k. alone. what visas one mind or as have doubled says st in 19. the wave of relocations is triggering concerns about the future of nigeria as workforce. young people have even coined a term for the migration trend. jacquila a you're a by word that means run away. it's a hot topic in the elections and lead in candidates have from his change. but can reform candidates like be to be convinced people like emmanuel to return sounds like looper? cinda is actually seen was to something i don't really think is like extra. i mean, i don't know so much about i just always, i don't think of you as they always actual super own gordon county, did the nigerian exposures here in europe or elsewhere, cannot directly change the situation back home. nigerian law doesn't allow people to vote from outside the country. so once people have left, while they can do is to encourage the people back home to register and cast their ballots. that's what dr. it be from j. peg bow ultima. lou is doing from the you,
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hey, she says getting people to register is only one part of the task. another thing is just reminding people of the track record or because dks what be, but she made them reveal where their previous choices let them monday they're happy with those choices. she hopes these elections will lead to urgently needed change. well, ready in trouble? we've been in trouble for a long time. all health care professionals are leaving and they're leaving juice back in berlin. emmanuel connects with his friends, he says he missed his home, but moving back is far from his mind. in fact, his friends want to move to one's one, like wilson does. does archer do an escal, buses, sean, whoever wins the election? they'll struggle to convince people like emmanuel to believe in that country again . ah,
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a ah, ah, ah, this is deed of the news, alive from berlin leaders condemn russia, aggression at munich, security conference, german defense when it stopped bars with stories, accuses russia, imperialism, and says it's contemptible. international law must be met with a show of force and from the u. s. vice president a stan wanted but it thinks he can wait us out. he is badly mistaken. time is not on his side. as russia is guilty of crimes against humanity in ukraine and justice must be said,
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ah, i am eddie micah junior. welcome to the program. the war in ukraine has dominated the 2nd day of immune execute a conference. so you know, the, well, it's most important, international defense event. the german foreign minister and the not bad book said the walk would end at the moment. russian troops pull out of the grain, u. s. secretary of state, anthony, blinking confirmed washington's commitments to nato allies. and look, i had to be safe and stable future. are you on ukraine? germany's defense minister orest mysterious stressed, the need for collective action on defense. russia must not, and will not succeed with its imperialism, and its contempt for international law and international peace architecture. and
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because neither diplomacy nor tough economic sanctions have made put in change, cough hours show a 4th is the right response. as we've just had ukraine tops the agenda, i did munich conference, ukrainian journalist, asked germany foreign minister and in our book, how long she thinks the war might last. can we give some timeline that will bring more confidence and peace to ukrainian heart? because we understand that we in these shoes already for one year, and we need to calculate how much energy we still have and we will have in the future. thank you. minister. i frank, an honest answer is, i don't know because we cannot give a promise to the people of ukraine when this war will end because we don't know.
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and it always comes back to the point because it lays in the hand of the russian president. but what we can promise is that we are trying to do everything to give you to give the people of ukraine as much as help as you need. and to have you see political correspondent nina has. it was the panel discussion. i didn't execute a conference and sent us this assessment. this again was one of the many panels that we've seen here, right? damn the munich security conference this year, that focused on ukraine and specifically on the consequences for europe. am from russia's water of aggression against ukraine, and this is, of course, not a surprise. russia's war of aggression against ukraine has really thrown up europe into the air. lots of the long standing principles were broken with, and this is a message that keeps ringing through all the messages delivered here by political leaders. so it was very europe focused and of course on the panel. and that the
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representatives of countries that share a common vision that shared common values that are members of the european union if you speak, of lack there in germany. but what did stand that for me if you want to look at the nuances that are still very interesting for us journalists and international observers as well, was that boris to stories, the new german defense minister actually said that ukraine must win this war. now this is interesting because his boss, so german chancellor will actually have so far, still not to use these words will have shows keeps sending the same message that ukraine must, of course, prevail and that writer must not prevail. hooton's aggression. and his revisionist ideas must not prevail, ukraine must not lose electrodes his message. so that was one of the main takeaways for me personally as an observer, saying that the german defense minute minister, he's now in his job, is more outspoken than his predecessor,
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potentially also challenging his chancellor behind closed doors, people and thanking germany for the for the leadership role that it is taking and also tony blank and the foreign minister of foreign secretary of the united states . it earlier today that germany is now the 3rd largest contributor in terms of support for ukraine worldwide, after the u. s. and the u. k. so this is suddenly something where all the criticism has gone away. we all remember the discussions about is germany going to deliver those leopard to battle tanks to ukraine or isn't it, is it will have. so i was going to give the green lighter, isn't he? that he did, and i was suddenly gemini finding itself in a position where it's having to remind partners to also live up to their own promise is also an alina bab upset the same thing about that of the big problem that we have. if we look at as apply for ukraine, it's not just battle tanks. aids that basically the topic of ammunitions is going to dominate, and the debates among security experts and on the lena babcock holden,
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all partners who have ammunitions for the gap. heard, for example, to deliver them. but it was not all about russia's war ukraine. european commission president us left on the line. and finland's prime minister, son amarion took to the stage earlier and spoke on the difficulties facing the women in politics. you might have just seen obviously, um jacinta arda and hugely popular prime minister of new zealand resign citing. she hasn't got any more energy in the tank. nicholas sturgeon, the 1st minister of scotland resigning into arlia, talking about how difficult it is, particularly as a woman to lead any kind of normal life. i, you know, as, as a, as a global leader. i wonder what you both think about that because you're the 1st female in this position. you were the 1st female defense minister in your country. you experience sexism. so just briefly, how do you deal with it? what do you think about this stepping down and how do you encourage women?
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i know that's a lot that maybe just a brief some up and then i'm going to ask you all, 1st of all, i'm so happy that we live in countries where are leaders change? that's a gift they but blaming. so that's all good. but if i was targeted, i would ask you, why did you have to apologize for being a human being? you found, found dancing? oh my goodness, how awful. yeah, you had to apologize for being a human being. why and i have also also danced after thus that one time and i think there is, of course, there's a lot to be done when it comes to gender equality. and it's very important that we have people from different backgrounds, different genders, but also different backgrounds in decision making. places to attain st. same table, making the decisions because then we have the perspective of every one. we men are
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the 50 percent of the world. so women need to be 50 percent of the day, so dish in macon making, ah, forty's, i know that, but ursula and the commission is preparing to, to set a bill for, for companies to have more women representatives on the boards of companies. i think this is very important step forward. i think also in the political system, we have to make sure that women have the possibilities that to step up to have their voices heard their lot of structures within our political systems that actually prevented women to get those positions to be heard. many times it's enough that there's one women. look, we have this women here, no problem. we have women here, no problem. but we need more women and we need to really that 50 percent to make sure that everybody's hoyt voices are hurt. so commissioner, i mean, president, oh,
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why then? is it so difficult? why do you have to tolerate so much backlash, miss? so jenny, every day sexism, all of that? well, it, because they are deep rooted, unconscious biases. but you know, when this courage will encourage more, well, i can only encourage my women to be on the stage because that's where we belong in the limelight and women, or men, uh, the one or the others are not better than the other, but we're different. and that's the point that we have to, of course, take the share of the power to, to change this world and to improve this world. and i think for that, i know you've done a lot of, we are doing a lot. you need leadership from the top. that is very important. every man i'm in a tough position. every woman and a top position has to influence on that, but they are more women coming. a growing up to the top staging will be giving you more on them. you next a cavity conference, watts at
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a bloody battle for the east in ukrainian city of buckled rages on russia's wagner group mercenaries. they say they've taken control of a village just north of the city, but that hasn't been independently confirmed. the fight for bach moot has become the longest run in battle of russia's war, which staggering casualties for the wagner convict forces leading the assault. pounding away at their rush, an attack is fending off the relentless hold on back. moot these a wagon group leader yet jenny, pre goshen has claimed his troops have taken a village just outside the city. but ukrainian soldiers make clear how the russian advances here have come at huge cost and they're, they're sending a lot of troops. i don't think that sustainable for them to keep attacking this way . they're just, they're there places were there bodies. i just piled up there the,
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there's a trench where they just don't evacuate their wounded. they were killed and just leave them there and send more waves and waves of people. the u. s. says the tactics are all part of the wagner groups disregard for its own men's lives or so next week. i do want to say this about divine group. in the, in particularly with respect to back move. i mean, again, they're treating their recruits largely context as basically as cannon fodder, throwing them into a little meat grinder here in human ways without a 2nd thought. and will ukrainian soldiers have been defending the shattered city for months now? they say western equipment like these bushmaster armored vehicles provided by australia is helping government. but that more is urgently needed noisily that though the focus give us more military equipment, more weapons and we will deal with the russian occupier, but we will destroy them rather than that. but a more hill,
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modern western tanks are set to arrive soon. ukrainian troops already learning how to operate these german made leopard twos here in poland. but for now pack moods defenders will have to keep working with what they've got. correspondence to terry schultz joins me now on the conference in munich. hello, terry, and you know, one thing that stood out from the conference on day 2 was the u. s. vice president come iris accusing russia of committed war crimes. what's your take on those strong words that were used? well, vice president harris certainly isn't the only one accusing russia vis. you also heard this from, from britain and of course, the europeans have been saying this for a long time. what she said is that the u. s. has formally determined that russia is
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guilty of war crimes. now this has been something that's been discussed in europe. how you would bring someone to account someone all the way up to russian, president putin, when of course russia would never extradite him. but something has just happened in the last few days in the hague. that may make trying at least some of these crimes more easily. and that is that the international criminal court has determined that it can try crimes of aggression. that's a war crime that has a lower threshold of proof than some of these other crimes against humanity. it simply means that i an active aggression, was committed using a state military, was planned and executed using a national military. that's certainly something nobody could argue in the case of russia versus ukraine. yeah, and that's we had the vice versa then sir you as vice president come lars, did see that dosa responsible will pay for that. and what else really is $2.00 on day 2 for you?
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well, it was clear that the munich security conference very much wanted to make the, the rest of the world understand how crucial this battle is that how important it is that ukraine wins this war against russia. you heard many leaders talk about how if russia were allowed to win, it would embolden other authoritarian leaders ended countries and other parts of the world would have to wonder if they would be next. but when you heard the chinese representative speak, of course he didn't. i express any sort of understanding of this. he blamed the united states for being aggressive and especially for his policy on taiwan. so it didn't really seem like there was a meeting of the minds here, despite a great effort to do that. thank you very much. i take shots covering the event for us being executed conference, and that's all for me for now. coming up next technology show shift to looks at how far people presents the i real cells on social media. i am eddie micah junior.
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thanks for watching about staging. for more news on the top of that, i will be giving you more of what's been happening at the munich security conference. it's day 2 and there will be wrapping things up with ah, every journey is full of surprises. we've gone all out to give you some tips one day in the, in the footsteps of the rigby home. and i'm in europe northern most count to please ah, for a time in the long but still very much alive. d. w channel,
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you'll guy to his official hotspots in germany, europe, i recognized where exactly it was fun and i learned a lot our culture history, all their d. w. travel extremely worth a visit. ah, just be yourself a wait, scratch that be the coolest most interesting. and ideally, funniest version of yourself, at least whenever you pose on tick tock or instagram, but seriously whose real live actually matches their social media. is authenticity even possible? that's a topic on shift a, it seems authenticity is all the rage right now. just look at the success of the up to be real here. stage photos are discouraged. instead,
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users are prompted or the random time each day to snap a photo of whatever they're doing in that exact moment. no filter pictures really look pretty per se, but maybe that's not such a bad thing. many people are fed up with seeing perfectly curated lives, splashed across their feeds. a recent study evaluated more than 10000 facebook profiles and found that people feel better when they paused what they actually care about. psychologists and romance explains why, if you think about society at large, again, this way of us interacting with one another. and also looking to each other for what is normative for what is desirable. so if we compare it is real version of our lives to the idealized version of what everybody else looks, lives look like on social media. essentially, you're kind of have this comparison that makes us feel pretty bad us about ourselves. and so this, this notion of, if we start posting martha antique lee as a collective and as a group, that would reduce some of these comparative bias as i like the sound of that. but how many people are really willing to pose their real unfiltered lives online?
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well, one way to share the mundane part of our everyday lives is with humor. take a look at the stories. this influence from ecuador tells she has gained a large following by being true to herself. ah, nancy resort gives her followers glimpses into her daily life, and there were dorian andy's. ah, her mother works on a farm. and her neighbors in the fields. her candid reflections on facebook and instagram have found a huge audience. she has around 9 and a half 1000000 followers across her platforms. commitment, i love his life as an influenza. i love you. all. her videos are playful, imaginative, and funny. the simplest, the way i've always been focus more on committee and making people love. i really like comedy that people laugh and we're happy. little necessarily. i used them was phyllis is a stunning backdrop, a great sense of humor,
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and total ease in front of the camera. it's a winning combination ah, fiddle, i'm certainly blessed to have been born in and i key. but simply being authentic doesn't ensure success. they like this kind of constant combination of like, what is it it can do on your side to reach audience and to appeal to something that isn't out there yet. right? so maybe that's a point, a perspective on the world that hasn't been captured and, but i'm sure that just as she is now very successful. there's probably a lot of other people who had like a similar story that something very similar. and they were just not picked up by the algorithms. i think it's a combination of offer something unique. and then also just have to be a bit lucky ah, confidence and thick skin are also important traits to have. so as not to be brought down by negative comments. it is either we're just going by received many comments like that more at the beginning when people made fun of my appearance as an indigenous person and things like that. new mazda looking,
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but i responded with human to show people that those comments don't affect me. and it's less than i can turn them into a joke. this a level to stick with nancy russell strives to be her authentic self and do what she enjoys. regardless of what others say. joy magnolia, and more excited than ever because they'll be selling another one of my dreams to have my own runway in my own style is below. ah, no matter what she does next, nancy resort will stay true to herself. i love her attitude and have videos have definitely opened my eyes to a whole world i might have never seen otherwise. ideally, these kinds of authentic live experiences from content creators all over the world can enrich our global understanding. this example from bangladesh. thus, just that with holly cartoon is a cook and
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a small village from bangladesh. she is also something of a youtube stuck together with other women. she regularly cooks for the villages $1000.00 or so residents. they prepare a huge portions. people from around the world watched them on youtube. the cooking channel has more than 4000000 subscribers on my brain tell. it's great that so many people love our videos that we're proud that even though we're poor, we're reaching so many people in cooking for our village gives us a sense of great accomplishment. i'm a medical ballet le. ah, the channel became popular through this clip of a 3 year old making fish curry. the video now has more than 93000000 views. cooking in front of the camera has now become the norm. but i'm on them. it doesn't make much difference to me whether i cook here or at home. we're all one big family . i love. the biggest difference is that with these huge portions, and i can't just asked them one of there's enough salt in the food i moisture. what
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i have from this is all night air come back i. there are things the very quiet in the village until about 6 years again. then muhammad hussein's nephew started making videos of the fish market. the idea grew from there, the video we had at the time i wanted to film the villagers eating together at a picnic, new york where every one gets some food. we started with small amounts of rice over then more and more, villagers came to share meal time with us. i have been a while. so many people around the world drawn to these videos. the psychologist sandra months has one explanation. it's just something that might be nice to watch is like outside of what you typically do during your day. and it's almost like this cognitive refuge that you can go to. and, and let you also know is like, this does collect of experience, right? because like once you have a 1000000 people watching, as it suddenly becomes part of something larger, the turner pays off financially to add revenue amounts to more than $1000.00 euros
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per week. something the whole village profits from it's great when the stories like that go viral and then directly benefit the people who tell them. social media has opened up new opportunities for women, especially whom merisa is one example. she's been sharing a live as a business woman and the influence of for 10 years. she was a trailblazer in pakistan where women previously had little visibility on life. hi, my name is alyssa. i'm the social media influence here i ran a youtube channel and, and instagram law. and i also have a platform unblocked, as by the name of happy holidays. i produces both videos and podcasts at her company. she uses a few different studios for the productions and employ several people as a fema entrepreneur in pakistan. she set herself apart and found success. so when, if i did this instagram, blogging wasn't even a king in black. if i just started,
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there was a lot of things that were missing on the internet. there were hardly any clue 1000000 going to have the time. and i've been very proud of myself to have been one of the 1st few women to have been that way. and to normalize the gotcha, as that name, it was art. today i'm not as i is empowering women in her home country to find their voice inviting them to speak on her blogs and tasks. and men and women look side by side in the studio. something that's not so common in pakistan. i think one of the things that i'm a little blue in my book please, and position is that i need to inspire young women to think outside of markson king beyond what they pink and with every accomplishment. i'm not as i shows how she balances her career with being a young mother. her husband is supportive of her work.
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her ability to juggle her family life and manage her business has been an inspiration to some of her followers. one thing i would want the younger generation or younger women to know in order to pursue their passion is that you can't wait for the right circumstances or the right time with one key to success seems to be standing up for what you believe in doing so can inspire others to ob, do, to re, from docker has done just that by taking the initiative to make his neighbourhood more beautiful on sundays of due to re takes to the streets of his neighbourhood and duck. hard to campaign for a cleaner and greenness city. boy, lassie, dwayne at day, settled in my eyes. civic engagement as something individual. everyone can do their part to keep a space in front of their home clean la la, sweeping, planting, trees, planting flowers. i don't think that needs a nationwide campaign, blah, blah, son,
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hipaa. that will be the to listen. he got over the years, his inspired his neighbors to join in light of do to raise on a mission to change the attitudes of people far beyond duck are in synagogue. he phones, the clean up sessions on his phone and then shares the videos on social media to reach a wider audience with the hash tag katie that challenge. he's connected to people all of africa. yeah, we condition the saw and many young people have joined the green neighborhood challenge in africa. so we've got members in about 15 countries. all these people come from different places, burkina, faso, togo center, goal. chad. my message is to say to others, who did you can do the same or the samples we've seen amazing, but let's not forget these are the exception, not the rule. the fact that i even became aware of them came down to algorithms and
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the whole lot of luck simply being authentic does not automatically guarantee success. and there can be a negative side too. well, if you are someone who kind of really nicely fits into what society thinks of as and as an ideal, it's very easy to be authentic. so if you're part of a marginalized group, that is much, much harder to do. so i think we also have to think a little bit about what are some of the limitations of authenticity and maybe by placing a lot of emphasis on his notion to be authentic. we're putting a lot of pressure on people who are probably having a hard time we call in psychological safety. if you encourage to, if you courage, people to bring their full authentic selves to work on to wherever it is to search media. you also have to create the space where this is, this is possible and i think that's something that essentially does have to do.
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one of the things that i would love to do is essentially kind of have a way of putting content out there without necessarily everybody being able to common right away without the ability to see all of these likes and share it like shares maybe. but the essentially kind of take away some of the pressure, i'm just putting stuff out there that is popular and without the pressure of necessarily getting this constant feedback. and whether that's good or bad. not a bad idea. after all, comments can often be destructive, in order to keep authenticity as a positive thing. i think we need key rules like robust community guidelines. what do you think? that is? no. as offered to date. bye bye. ah. with
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this week, the 7 to 7 crusades, p. c. nigeria, to welcome to st debate. thank you as electra, those are coming up really soon. well, what do your people really want? the 13. ok, let's just go on to each ruling point to be. so we need actually change an educational system. we the managerial you, we help the potentiality on talent to live this country, it bit up the 77 percent with dw, ah, what's making the headlines and what's behind them? dw news africa, the show that was the issues shaping the continent. life is slowly getting back to normally where on the streets to give you enough reports on the inside of our correspondence with on the ground reporting from across the continent. all the trends doesn't matter to you. in 60 minutes on
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d w. m. what secrets lie behind these walls? discover new adventures in 360 degrees. and explore fascinating world heritage sites with d w world heritage is $360.00. get the app now. welcome . if town kaduna and bun tool, i am michael duty bringing you to 77 percent the shore for african youth. this week our focus is nigeria upcoming elections. so here's what we've lined up for. you will meet a young lady and who wants to make his voice head in the upcoming elections in up which as we talked to politically, active movers and shakers in our street. the beat on is in bob way. we
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groove to the unmistakable sounds of zillow doubts, hold. hi, julia, africa, most populous country will be let in new political lead us in a few days. incumbent president, mohammedan perry has finished as 2 times and will not be contestant. there are more than 93000000 registered voters and 40 percent of them are young people. this group has their par to decide who gets to be president. but in 2019, for instance, many just didn't vote in the following report. we meet a young man who is trying to cheer this blue. it's early. we end out scapes of lagos. normally chicken, my low beat would. she will be going to his chicken far for today. his preparing what he calls his morning cry. com. yahoo. com, 2000 to go to the warden has been doing this every morning since the stock of the
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year. determined to get people to vote. i think that they wouldn't responsibility, rests on me. because i realized that i'm aquatic, alby lang, gian. so i'm 40 started to be company according to my my view, you know, from my own. and i had to be involved with nature that you want. you have to invest, you know, to something, something changed to thought to school. or even $93000000.00 nigerians that registered to vote in nearly 40 percent of them on the 34 years, which is one of them. he's 29 but has never voted for. now that's about a change in my life time. i've lost in something like that. you do? sometimes i will think that i'm not doing enough when i see how much other people are doing the restaurant from with uses we're ginger is very high. who are
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really, really, really to take no job describing nick. it's the all people i think is where they wanted to be from different parts of the country. young people can be seen mobilizing ahead of the electrons. they say they are trying to decide the future of nigeria. and they wants yog words to count the huge and fast protests like this in late 2012. i've been asked to hook up this new young political move. yes us was, was to have our lives with jesse aware. by the same time, he made the young boy understand the power of organization, far off of organizing, coming together to you know, to demand. so biondi and so being a trigger. the electra law was now electra law was what not switzerland, the houghton that has given this rise. younger voters seemed to be looking for
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something new and fresh. do you want something you saw the jaws once led to the our voices and see if it will make any difference? basically, i'm woodson. i've got to maybe see, i'm young and i just feel like this is the right time for me to do it. and out of i thought i used one good obviously to kind of get a bit of an issue that we have to do is guys wanted to force me a few young people to our daughter got tired and actress as my gerry and speaker to both younger people also preparing to have jesse and i do hope that they get to have the i see because in the last election, only 44 percent of nigeria is taught all registered voters at spitted. and i hope that this time around it's going to change in this election. there are 3 main front ron is. thus malati noble, applicable worker,
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and p t r o b and were wince. will ship the future the youth for the next 5 years. at least. that's why the young people want aspirants to listen to jacqueline since we had the streets of legos to find out what is the tuition on the ground, it's like well, so fine. well, so far as you know, no pussy, this is really station that is, will put, you want to go to walk now from 200 know up in 500. everything is expensive, good enough, right? so we just need a good leader. and you that we are working on the sheets, you see so more so many big guns on the weekend. you see graduates working, we're done with all the times please. i'm robbery and other things in the country. oh, noise. up when it is monday. because he, the goldman, the only ticket have been served to go to our family. we don't care about the
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masses or anything to that. our government was good forum was love you to they did. i'm going to happen just like that. feel that kind of what gradually get it that will get it can be done. nigeria like many countries in a sub region, it's dealing with rising food and energy prices. but especially for africa, biggest economy insecurity in the northwest of the country as problematic. this is where the country's largest number of registered voters reside. but due to ron pont kid napkins and violent attacks, many here may not feel safe enough to fought. and this we street beat be vital young people trabusia and asked them what to expect from the next leaders. ah,
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this week the 77 percent is in nigeria capitol, abu jam, and you as elect shows, are coming up really soon. now, in the past few years, let you as experience some toby named times from the economy to security and able to education. but this time around, it seems like many young people will have a chance to decide their own future. so we are here to find out from young nigerians what they really want from these elections. and i'm going to start with nana, nana you are a 1st time voter. why did you decide to vote this elections? well over our, the elliott say, oh, last election. i was 15 and known. i'm 18. so i think our is the right time for me to vote. and do you think that your voice is grades accounts? not sure. not sure. now in 2015 we saw the nazi young to ron movement. 2020. we saw and size. is this a sign that young people are beginning to participate in politics in nigeria?
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all right, absolutely. because we got the no to young to rome built on in our 20 a team that was signed by the president. and we also got the electro reforms built on in 2022. so what it means is that i'm excited that we have a 1st time for us. so all the work that we've been put in, and as we go to one more 1st arm for us to come in and participate in the process. so i think young people will wonder voices to be heard. and for me, i believe that this will be on the election overdetermined luckily by young people's participation. okay. i see are nodding your head. do you agree with what god lester said? yes, i do agree. i feel like in the last decade until now we have seen a lot of changes before. i would say like, even i myself was apathetic to the political. i'm situation in danger because i believed my voting count and it didn't matter because whether you voted or not, it was, it was, it wasn't going to my dad. he would come on promise and go away. but i believe
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right now, our voice matters, like wherever we do matters. ok. now grace go to copy room was sanely because you are very much involved in politics. yes. so why do you think that, why did you think it was important for you as a young person to get involved, you know, as a party member of a d. c. you know, a reason why is that? um, looking at distributional issues over what is happening today in this country. almost every tim has been deteriorated. you understand also, you know, the youth, the, at the enjoying growth of development in an initial you understand. so they are left behind. that is why we plan a trip into the polities in order to prove to dis, leave is the only son that we the managerial you. why happy potentiality and talent to lead this country a bit off list. okay, so that leads me to my next question, which is obviously why we are here. what do young people in nigeria really want
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nigeria swat as secure nation? the one affordable medication, the one overhauling, the other question or 6 them. okay, so i said one point i use that security, okay, i'll go through, you know, setting the youth in our time and now when it's on employment to be solved, monty show of employment resolved. okay, so unemployment is a major issue for you dapple healthcare. i would care because i elton's not terribly manager at the moment and am a cost a lot. so foot once be medically. okay, thank you. so we've had m c carried c. we said we had unemployment healthcare. we once free a fair election. so that's the right candidate. will it might free and fair elections. all right, god bless. i think the, i've read nigerian youth when a country that works where they can leave all the potential and are they can travel anywhere around the country and not feel like they are not welcomed. i'm going to come to you because the, i,
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but i'm changing the question. now you're very involved with our policies. you helped to train to encourage young people to participate in basically in the country on to be more patriotic. do you think that we are there yet, like 2 young people finally have a c or count? are they ready to finally make a decision for the country or queue? yes, we actually have the number, but i wouldn't see we're there yet. 70 percent of the population of nigeria and i use yet when it comes to political participation, you can come to the number. let's talk about the answers. if we did with the answers, you saw that if you would compare the number of people who came out to rally, it is a very small, very minute compared to the tim, the number of youths that we have. okay, so you talk about political participation, what, what is the reality on ground up or do you think that people are really optimistic? positional things on the graph is about. i mean, renew, securities. immerse, right?
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even gain up, which are you can more very free. deb elk is terrible mangers up spend off of the apocalypse. so yeah, over time might get bits. are of course read people that we listen. so office for to increase the right policies. underwrite stamp's been we'll get better over time . but it will be all of a sudden. all right, so you mentioned there, that's the next president obviously has a lot of work to do is not going to be uneasy, right? so i'm going to come to you cheating mar, because you are actually in on the apc presidential campaign cart. busy and apart from your party as a young named jerry and what kind of leda do you think that nigerians need at this critical point? i had the 2020 an action should be looked at on who can keep this be that track record with ya to students? because you cannot handover an enterprise enterprise or an end of or to somebody
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when you know that the c v underscore doesn't correspond to the management on that demonstration. i don't agree with what you do mostly. okay, because um you see a county like nigeria, what we need, we just did. why rant in a genetic jute, don't take the country trip from his land. you understand, when you look at the present country as though we have presently mount, most of them they are octogenarians. you understand, they are all h say to be law. and who say me, how brought up a very important point i, i think that is, you know, topic of discussion among many nigerians do we need someone with experience and age . so i'll let you caught use of me to muscle. he said, our m a for any progressive movement is always in need for the wisdom of the own, as well as the dynamics in the radicalism and the youthful exuberance of the young . so i think we have to look at a all the 17 presidential candidate who carries the youth
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a loom. we all agree that they are all owed people. so oh, who am wound them? katy vibrant people to elude. i think we can all agree that nigeria ease at a critical point. i want to thank the panelists for joining us today and you are view as for watching, if you have any comments. definitely. right. so i would like to hear from you. i'm for now i'm flourish to car. thank you so much for watching thing. for a divest country like nigeria, it is little wonder that the views in that debate are very different. but you barrage and since i get is that young people want things to improve. but how do you see it? let me know what you think about this topic by visiting our social media pages. and remember that you can also see a longer version of this to beat on youtube. i had of the lessons than i do,
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and government has asked to google and facebook to check thick news on the platforms. but how big of a problem is this information in elections? let's find out. let's pretend i'm an undecided nigerian fulton as the elections on february 25th approach. i am bombarded by inflammation left, right and centre outweigh tell they a fake or not. american actor tom hanks, endorsing a presidential candidate and plans to relocate the capitol from a borgia to lagos, a candidate who has been portrayed as supporting a separatist movement. by the way, all these 3 stories have been, as you finding out what election related inflammation is true and what is false, is crucial furniture in the market. what is the solution? everyone can help big to cycle and here, find useful to number one, hose,
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and think. let's say motions get the better of you. morphic news. i meant to do exactly that number to get your bias in mind. every human being, including myself, has a perception of their surroundings. be honest, we all have a productive people who publish this information. make use of this prejudice. to take a step back and try to be neutral. number 3, just because the, the ne, made short video does not mean that something has actually happened. well, look at the story. allegedly, a truck full of cash was seized on the way from the presidential candidates house to a bank. this post has been shared almost 15000 times in only 5 day stories . so even you can simply check by doing a quick revised image such before example google. and the results will show you that all 3 photos a much older getting back to earlier in 2020,
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to 2024. even 20. 14. hope pick. this is the origin of the inflammation. please. just reliable critical new outlets reported on the story and took number 5. when in doubt don't share data saying that when that jerry sneezes the rest of the regions patches, but you can make it. so i'm aka and will be enough. i hope that you apply these 5 tips when your line and you don't spread fit news. this election is about, given young, may to answer the part to decide your future. but i'll times that you'd find your voice through music ins him by west capital hottie. them dance hall has given young people who are often on the fringes of society that charge us to tell ya
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communities about dallas. zimbabwe is capital herrera is the epicenter of zim dancehall, a music genre shaking out the urban soundtrack. now untethered from its jamaican roots, zim dancehall is heard on every street corner and in every club sooner. zim done so is filling, which is in me a feeling that says the music is just like me. this is her to do for the getting ot with pay is to deal though they have to live to the use of to, to see out from, with the what the feel how they leave. this is that we, full of communicating. invited is the handle. seemed on fund barry neighbourhood produces some of zimbabwe, most celebrated musicians. many came through the record label chill spot 6 years ago. chill spot started as a simple sound booth and found a d. j fountains flat to day a. d. j. fountain, and producer levels are trying out to new talent triple x, also known as
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a nice killer in their fully fledged awesome studio. oh, for you. okay. oh yeah. i travel to sunday. hi. shabba guy and a good a. oh, nice killer. sings in shauna, i bought a family who blames their son for being bewitched and responsible for the misery they face. in the end, the sun is chased away. ah. and on every day it's the things i see every day here embody it's our daily life. that is what i think about what i experienced. sometimes i just walk and see things happening and then i write about them in a song tutuco. that is what is buy as me or do to listen. and if i saw it became popular was if one could be led to to, to, to discover physic. if i can relate to the, to the linux ah,
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which are being thing in the song. because nice killer can't pay for the studio time. chill spot, offer them a deal. the studio produces the song for free, but shares the rights with the artist. i bid up picking the days back in the days it was hot and expensive to record a song. but of after chill sports levels and i chipped in student time became affordably affordable. and that's when we discovered that same bub warehouse, great talents and cingus. you king fod. jesus bought one of those talents is not t o. born and raised in barry, he became one of the most successful zim dancehall artists over night. attracting millions of clicks for songs and videos on social media sites. success stories like
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this, inspire countless others to dream of stardom homes with element. absolutely . why then back on the street, nice killer and his crew check out the latest hits by their friends. most songs are being shared directly via bluetooth and go from one mobile phone to the next. nice killer is convinced that his breakthrough is near one. so gone for the stuff we think about my friends on the fund, we all come from the ghetto and we know what's going on. i, you and zoom, dance all just is right. i want to sinking. and i know it will take me far as again energy into self internationally. zim dancehall is growing. artists are already hosting constance abroad and promised to take their hits to nigeria and south africa. for now, a life in barra is keeping nice killer grounded. but his ambitions are sky high.
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i wish nice killa all the best in kenya, young people are using a non conventional approach to reclaimed your spot in society. i robbie's roots not meet full kitten, but inline skates, and is growing in the country. the young dead devils. i'm not afraid to leave and walk through my tattoos and the busy rush hour traffic. but i must warn you. the sport is not for the faint hearted getting in. it will be easiest because the streets on monday. thank us. get us. we are in constant a bunch of lead that would use us. you have to check the road with my titles, other vehicles. and this means that you know competition over a car and is cater. definitely that collie with
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a yo yo. if b for boy, i thought you meant to open up with us kids catering by nature brings together all sorts of people escaping. you don't to have that segregation that have been may been either sports related to agenda. you don't get guys having to be under owen by having to be on their own. get together with the same with these
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plays. he's like a con bus. pulls it up and we are getting here because it's the only place we proceeded. kit, fuss. when you are on the road, moreover escaping because you are focusing on death going forward. but here they are getting because you are free to create whatever you have in mind. if anything about skating, when you think about falling actually fall. when you try to ship your forecast to something else, then you become very know because in your skating you don't think about anything else. we just take the air into the machine.
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okay, so right now it's decided i'm going to land how to skate, and i come with to show of my skills to you the next time we meet. by remember that this show is dedicated to the youth. and especially today's edition is for you in nigeria. in a few days, you'll decide who leads your nation, the path, it's in your hands. so make it count and know that all of africa is wooten for you . we've come to the end of today's show and i want to connect with you. so go on to our social media platforms and drop me a message. i'll leave you with this and power in song titled columbo zone gl by a black show. enjoy. and i so is what well, what time thanks for tim. yeah, ma'am again renee, about to be done? are they say i thought bon cassandra bush? yeah. when i don't know why it, it, me stuff. when i'm running my route, it's getting dark day cuts enough money. i'm not to miss that. don't you go without?
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no, i did. does that boy, my g, g, a 10. my said this was every time on the road right now. still grant dave goes to a guy. wow. good abernathy uploaded emotional when i ride from mazda gently while on my agenda. plenty gaza free media. so ma'am bye. they're very sweet. die off, mama. what are no minute i never dreamed? ah, with
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d. w, with overcoming divisions. save the date for the d. w. global media form 2023 in bonn, germany and increasingly fragmented world with a growing number of voices, digitally amplified. we see where this clutter can lead what we really need, overcoming divisions into vision for tomorrow's journalism. save the date and join us for this discussion. at the 16th edition of d. w. c. global media forum. the music security conference 2023. this year's meeting is tasked with a total order brushes log scale war of aggression against ukraine has been going on
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for one year. now the main question, not those top level meeting is what will prevail, the strength of the law or the law of the strong bucks topics such as the climate crisis in poverty are also on the agenda. the meaning security conference, 2023 brought to you and all platforms on d. w. justin, joanne, i don't get pushed on we to day bus. yes. bus you. this is the consequence was $5000.00 foot. so i need to find that because cynical notion, you know, i'd like to still willing, in conflict in ukraine. the european war in 10 voices rushes war in ukraine. one year since the invasion began we take a little back and into the future. in the new money flow green in february on d w. ah,
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ah, this is news alive from berlin leaders condemned russia aggression at the munich security conference. german defense minister forester. yes. accuses bratia of imperialism, and says, contempt for international law must be met with issue or force for us vice president a stan wanted. but it thinks he can wait us out. he is badly mistaken. time is not on his side. come, larry says russia is guilty of crimes against humanity in ukraine,
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and justice must be said, ah, i am at you, mike. a junior welcome to the program. the war in ukraine asked albany to the 2nd day of the munich security conference. the german foreign minister and not bad book said the war code and when russian troops pull out of ukraine. u. s. secretary of state antony blinking, confirmed what is washington's commitments to its nato allies and look ahead to be safe and stable future we use for europe and ukraine. germany defense missed up. i was just curious, stressed the need for collective action on defense. russia must not, and will not succeed, with its imperialism, and its contempt for international law and international peace architecture. and because neither diplomacy nor tough economic sanctions have made put in change,
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cough hours show a 4th is the right response. awkward by the entire shoulds joins me now on the conference in terry. so was it all about assure force on this day 2 of their security conference, yet it was greatly about a show, a force, a unified show of bullet force. both of these things are important, showing that the west is unified and that they are willing to stay the course and to provide ukraine everything it needs to win this war against russia. and, you know, you showed this a panel with the u. s. foreign and the usaa secretary of state, and it, and alina burbock, and both of them, were given the same message. now this would have been unthinkable years ago that the german and usaa foreign ministers are giving exactly the same message about how you pray, needs to win the war with europe's help. and then you have ukraine standing by and
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saying, thank you very much. we'll take all of that, talking about strong messages. we had the u. s. vice president, pamela harris, formerly accused russia crimes against humanity in ukraine. let's listen to what you have to say. i did say it has formerly determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity and i say to all those who have perpetrated these crimes and to their superiors who are complicit in these crimes. you will be held to account terry. we had come to harris saying that those responsible will be held accountable . but how yeah, that's a very difficult question and everybody knows it. they can gather all the evidence
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they want. they can even issue subpoenas for people. they can ask for them to be arrested. but russia does not extradite its citizens. we've seen this in, for example, the m 817 case. but in the mean time, the international community is trying to put together a system where you could try war crimes against russia. and one of the ideas is to try the crime of aggression which has a lower threshold. you have to prove that a national military was used to create, to create acts of aggression. and the international criminal court in the heck is already setting itself up to potentially try these crimes. and there's also talk of setting up another special tribunal for this. so the international community is very definitely trying to make those perpetrating these crimes believe that they are not going to get away with it. but it's expected that it goes all the way up to president putin. and that, of course, will be a difficult to difficult one to bring in to justice. that was also a lot of talk about more support for ukraine after all we had from well leaders.
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what could that look like? i think the biggest take away that i have from the conference on speeding up support for ukraine is the new attention to actually getting ammunition production scaled up quickly. and we heard various suggestions here coming from no less than the president of the european commission. ursula vander lion, who said that she wants to try to create a system for, for resourcing ammunition the way they did with vaccines when everybody thought. 8 it would take a lot longer than it did to come up with a vaccine and to get it to all of the e u member states. she says the same thing can be done with ammunition. and this is something that's being met with a lot of approval from ukraine and also from, from european countries who are, are able to do this as single country. so i think we are going to see some initiatives that actually start making a difference on the ground in ukraine when it comes to scaling of weapons production and ammunition production. in particular,
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the $1000000.00 question is if ukraine will get exactly what they want pressed and zalinski, i said that he need fighter jets long range missiles is unlikely to happen any time soon. we haven't seen any sign that fighter jets are on their way any time soon, but nobody blamed the ukrainians for asking for them. they were also told they weren't going to get a modern tanks in the beginning and those are supposed to be on the way. now, so i think that what, what nato allies have talked about when it comes to, to fighter jets is that this would be part of a longer term plan to help ukraine secure it's territory perhaps after the war is over. perhaps after they get russia out of off their land, but you know, it's not going to go away and ukraine is going to keep asking. okay, tell schultz valona you next to the conference. thank you. now the bloody botto for the eastern ukrainian seats, your backlogs rages on russia's wagner group, mercenary,
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see they have taken control of a village, just north of the city, but that hasn't been into independently confirmed. the fight for back moot has become the longest running battle of russia's war with staggering casualties. for the wagner convict forces leading the assault. pounding away at their rush, an attack is fending off the relentless, sold on buck moot. he's a wagon group leader yevgeny. pre goshen has claimed his troops have taken a village just outside the city, but ukrainian soldiers make clear how the russian advances here have come at huge cost. they're, they're sending a lot of troops. i don't think that sustainable for them to keep attacking this way . they're just there are there places were of their bodies? i just piled up there the, there's a trench where they just don't evacuate their wonder if they were killed and they
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just leave them there and send more waves and waves of people. the u. s. says the tactics are all part of the wagner groups disregard for its own men's lives or sounds weak. i do want to say this about divine group and a in particularly with respect to back move. i mean, again, they're treating their recruits largely context as basically as cannon fodder, throwing them into a literal meat grinder here in human ways without a 2nd thought and will ukrainian soldiers have been defending the shattered city for months. now. they say west and equipment light. these bushmaster armored vehicles provided by australia is helping guzman, but that more is urgently needed. narrowly did the white, the books give us more military equipment, more weapons on we will deal with the russian occupier, but we will destroy them. it allows them to, but a more hill, modern west and tanks all set to arrive soon. ukrainian troops already learning how
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to operate these gym and made leopard twos here in poland. but for now, back moods defenders will have to keep working with what they've got there some more stories making headlines around the world. let's look at some of them. leaders have gone down to north korea for launching a long region. realistic miss out into the sea of japan. you're a secretary of state on to the blank and along with colleagues from japan and south korea edge countries to enforce existence functions against north korea. jin young says the launches in response to military drills in the region. by such teams in tacky, i found the body of for my gun international football r. christina t u r e collapsed bowden. and she went missing in the city of takia after the at quakes nearly 2 weeks ago. he won 65 cups. and help god, i reached a 2015, a couple of nations. a pakistani branch of the slimy
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scoop. the taliban is wanting. it will carry out more attacks on security forces. 4 people were killed when gunmen stormed the police headquarters and the biggest city karachi, all 3 taliban attackers also died. an explosion at police headquarters in karachi. hello? yes, i read. the blast came after several hours of intense gunfire between police and the 3 taliban militants. dozens of offices will hold up inside the compound after the militant storm, the building reportedly wearing police uniforms and late police unit power military ranges and army snipers. quickly surrounded the 4 story building. officials say the operation ended when one of the taliban fighters blew himself up. the other 2 died from gunshot wounds. it really is being done. and so everything
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with official say 3 security force members and the civilians were killed in the attack. and other 18 security officers were wounded. the taliban issued a short statement, claiming responsibility. it comes just weeks after a taliban suicide bomber blew himself up, had a mosque inside the police headquarters in the northwest and city of pish, our which killed at least $84.00 people. now one of the films in the spotlight belly, not film festival, is john pens super paula, the u. s. i in his production team way ukraine, when the war begun. profile a bullet, madeleine this journey from comedian to president. unexpected turn. you're looking. thank you. and joining us for the red carpet is our belly, not
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a reporter holiday, a borrow. hello, how? lita? how's the 1st of all live up to the hype so far? well let me tell you about the premier super power. it did get a very warm reception from the public and did receive a standing ovation. national pen used to the occasion of the premier to once again call on us president biden, to send long re precision weapons to ukraine. something which he repeated press conference earlier today, let me tell you a little bit about this film. it's almost 2 hours long, and it consist of 14 of pen and co director, aaron coffman, a traveling around ukraine before the invasion and later the frontline. it also has what with exclusive interviews with the landscape, but i have to say there is nothing really new to see here. there are no real new insights. that's very little original footage that we haven't seen before. and the
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response from quitting has been a little bit less favorable. the word on the ground is really that there's a little bit too much. sean, penn, a lot of kind of duction hero worship, has been described to self aggrandizing even. and one cricket went so far as to say that if you just woke up from a coma and you had no idea what had happened and you saw this film, you, you might actually could be forgiven for thinking about show and pam was as instrumental as the lensky in the ukranian response to the russian invasion. now with the press conference room pam was extremely emotional when he, he did say that after the invasion, the landscape decision to not allow himself to be evacuated and to stay put, made him feel so emotional that it was really 2nd only in his life. to witnessing the birth of his own children. so food exercise in activism, but not media groundbreaking documentary. ok very has what some people have said about the fail, but tell us what else is going on today?
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well, just by the terrible weather we had today, lots of right. you know, we have had a demonstration on the red carpet to behind me in front of the pilot, in the owner of the human rights process in iran, which is of course, another focus of this addition of the festival in about a 100 iranian filmmakers with joined by jewelry, president christian jewish and also the directors of the festival. and they held up because they chanted some slogans and had a phone call to draw attention to the and to begin protesting iran. kelly a lot happening over there at the w report that alida barrow, thanks a lot for the update. that's all for me for now. reporters. next, looking at the marquee mits behind anti semitism. i am eddie mike, a junior, thanks for your time with states you and we have more news on the top of our list
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a closer look at the project. our mission. to analyze the fight for market dominance. east this is wes. good us, did that head with the w business beyond ah, to those compete there was this compliment that i got, oh, you're pretty for a job in a you'd an escaped from there a lot more anti semitic incidence than you might think ending. that's ana cancer research, a in munich, and dora judge in berlin, what most people only see when it hits the headlines they've experienced in everyday life discrimination because that juice this is an actor and it's real and it never went away. it can be subtle,
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it can be in your face. sometimes antisemitism can be hard to recognize, even in yourself, but no, no, no, don't run away. mon wilson, it almost you don't necessarily have to have a malicious intention to say something anti semitic long. as i described myself as a liberal jail with fear, we have a tradition oriented community. there was one bad incident where someone drove by the synagogue on a motorbike and shouted heil hitler. had hitler with this was during drop off time for the kansas day care when, when a lot of parents bring their children, they can not playing on don would. and then at a party, someone said to me, how did hitler forget one or something from what i was out of hitler was the dictator of nazi germany. responsible for the systematic murder of $6000000.00 jews or the man and valona. as a jew, what do you do in a situation like that at some but i was on pretty has dont catherine. i was
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interviewing, it was supposed to be for a feature and a major german magazine, the door just like got afterward and we had a coffee and we were sitting together. and then out of nowhere came, the question is what come on and let's be honest with jews. it's always about money, right. and you get to live and you just think wait a minute and i hear that right. think of health and that's just one type that's been doing the rounds for centuries. in fact. busy and his medic trade offering you all, they've been passed down and reappear in every era repackaged and seemingly shiny and new for the next generation. paul and his anti semitism comes in many different forms. miriam venza director of frankfort jewish museum, germany. so let's look at that example about wealth and money. as a swash is listened to the floor, historically, jews were excluded from many professions in europe. a few from oscars often. and
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among the jobs they were allowed to do was traditionally dealing with the coins either or exchanging money that gave vixen the thought that was the case in the early modern period. and that led to the idea that jews have something to do with money. go for phone, home, times of crisis provide particularly fertile ground for spreading anti semitic tropes and conspiracies. an age old and murky myth, the hidden hand. you can see it, it's not there, but there is an assumption that there is something sinister. i reject off history professor george washington university. we saw it even in cases like the covert pandemic. right. all these questions of who exactly benefits from the covert and then implying that actually it's a conspiracy of a jewish. you know, i'm a businessman and peer and companies that are producing the, on,
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on the vaccine and so on. it's a convenient idea that there's a small group of people secretly controlling the world. in reality, it's an ungrounded conspiracy theory that's really old. this is natalie's, that, of course is absolutely the co antisemitic. no right in a thing, and it's a christian one. these anacostia. so this hidden hand is a baseless anti semitic trope, dating back as far as the middle ages, when christianity strove to become the dominant religion in europe, and began to persecute juice if i can rule. and that means that the conspiracy theory that jews are doing something and secret is always part of the mobilization of feelings, which in turn leads to acts of violence for provide on room near her learning. i often wonder what the germans actually say over a family christmas dinner, for example, if anti semitic conspiracy theories come up at the table, do you stay silent or do you speak up madame, what of what my mouth?
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you should say something because ignoring antisemitism, won't make it magically go away. let's stay in germany for a while. so why does it seem like it's so difficult for a lot of germans to confront antisemitism today? maybe because they see it as something gone and overcome. if you haven't us with i think a lot of people associate anti semitism only with world war 2 that hitler created anti semitism and it was all over 945. and that's just completely a historical hers. so that's another thing, antisemitism isn't just a nazi thing. but although jews were long subjected to violence, expulsions, false conversions, and systematic prosecution, the nazi era was undoubtedly without parallel. starting in 1933, the nazis used antisemitic legislation and propaganda to create a culture of segregation and hostility all over nazi occupied europe. jews where
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eventually detained in ghettos and deported to concentration or death camps where they were subjected to force labor atrocities and mass murder. by the time nazi germany surrendered, 6000000 jews had been murdered. the minute we to mattingly saying that the step next after on semitism is already holocaust, we find it problematic to identify the more sinister ah, demo, mundane the discriminatory practices. the tropes, a de trafficking of, of stereotypes that is not to move to magically to morrow is living, god forbid, for a complete nihilism in the genocidal practices unto me. so you're an anti semite only if you say chew should go to the gas chambers that wouldn't anything else is a legitimate criticism of unless it's in the home. so don't be mistaken. the ball for anti semitism isn't set up, murder. it can also sound like this order was our you look pretty for a jew,
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but what does that do to a person? my mac, this van mine are all mar, noticed that when my grandmother gives me months, a cracker is on passover, and i put them in the car and she says, no, never leave them lying around, hide them. i don't want my neighbor to see that were jewish, and there are a lot of jews and my circle of friends who aren't open about being jewish because they've had bad experiences with anti semitism. it's just stressful for me to pretend 247. so i'm open about being jewish. if someone has a problem with that, they should just come and sorted out with me. i'm learning from mccloud. if that was good before she knew, i think there are many different reactions because it's quite distinct. and even on the same person, there's the feeling of i know that i'll get my suitcase out because i have to be better prepared for what's happening here. yeah. can i really permanently belong to society here and though and my sufficiently protected? where do i move to eliza in? for some jeez, that one place they can feel safe. is israel,
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the world's only jewish state? since 1950. choose from all over the world and gentle convert to judaism, are entitled to settle in israel and receive full israeli citizenship if they wanting from me ask for me as a practicing jew, it's meaningful when i can celebrate jewish holidays. there wasn't and it's a safe haven. i know there's also the feelings or there's a country that is that there's a place on to simply b and, and to maybe not handle the feeling of being in a minority language to ask a few to. hm. and, and i'm in the head to sign this had his 2 cushion launched. and that, that historically been of great importance to jews. mom dad, walking down the street wearing my star of david and knowing that nothing will happen is an incredible feeling and situ unblocked, which is good food, if you would all nights urine. but the decades since the founding of the state of israel have seen a new facet of antisemitism emerge. israel related antisemitism. more often than
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not political events linked to israel also prompt, arise in antisemitic attacks, way beyond israel's borders. especially when there's a flare up in these railey palestinian conflict, the buyers and conflicting as soon as there is conflict in israel, the atmosphere here immediately becomes tougher. health, more uncomfortable. but the muffin resume isn't what's yeah. what's always been irritating for me is when i say i'm jewish and then people criticize me for israel's policies or blame me for them. i don't have an israeli passport, i can't vote there. i don't have the right to vote there. i don't have a say in the political situation and i'm not israeli or, and it's been kinase. hi, ellen montague, when someone asked me that, what do you think about what's going on in israel right now? i'm and without an accusatory undertone, and without knowing what are you and there are people doing there again, but simply, what do you make of it? and then of course i answer them normally, but it's not what you say. it's how you say it. how about even the tool nothing was
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the so. busy dues all over the world are not responsible for israeli policy. of course, these really government can be criticized. but why do you draw the line between antisemitism and political debate? i would draw the line up in several cases, demonstrating not in front of the is really embassy, but in front of a synagogue that's already starting to blurred the lie. non jewish lies anita and han leila. there you already see in one of the central problems in criticism of these really governments policy, this very often connotation of questioning the right to exist, harvest living since life combined to from which, forcing jews to, ah, whether day we talk about israel or not automatically when the entering to the room take your position on regarding israel or your pro or against you have to stated very clearly up front. this is also. busy you know,
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if not borderline and says image, it's up front and position, it automatically assumes dad i ever would you perv definition by them being jewish are in a way, agents of the israel government and so on and full and so forth. ready so how should handle this political hot potato, not talk about it at all the thing, but he often didn't fall. that's why i'm a bit cautious about this idea that you mustn't talk about israel at all now, and of course, is real close to us. and of course it means more to us than many other countries. but yes, you can just talk about it normally in a mile to leverage breaking cycle criticising israeli policy, find conflating israeli state policy and jewish life. not fine and ulten, anti semitic the world over jews experience anti semitism, no matter when or where. and ultimately it boils down to the same traits,
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the same prejudices, the same hatred battling it is arduous. and yet there's so much more to being jewish than fighting this hatred. that the spectrum death of vincent, that's perhaps something i'd wish for. continuing to take a look at active jewish life and showing what's actually happening to that. i thought because there's always a great danger on the jewish side to there that you only think within these dimensions of anti semitism. and you actually forget the positive sides a bit with his upper what i can't identify with that victim role at all caught, i always wear my star of david openly. i walked through the streets of nick as a proud jewish woman. blue ah,
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