tv The Great Meat Debate Deutsche Welle February 19, 2023 3:30pm-4:00pm CET
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ah . i just like my, it's mean actually we really didn't want a dog cool. we just wanted to take a look just a quick look, lyons won't do you as he was the smallest and the youngest of the week. as to my plan, the breeder said yes, this little one's always losing out. and he put her in my arms and he stopped crying. why? of course, my heart melted on the spot. i am what i up asking not to write. when tessie joined the neu my ass, she was only a few weeks old. weeks turned into months and months into years. she grew up with the 2 children and discovered the world, the pets. we share our homes with our, our best friends and family members. each one is uniquely special and we do anything to keep them happy.
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ah, we don't see this uniqueness in the animals we eat. in the supermarket, we think of the meal they will make, not the individuals they once were. ah, we had champions of suppression. how do we do it so well? imagine that you're eating a hamburger. and as you're biting into this juicy burger, your dining companion says to you, actually that hamburger is not made from kaos. it's made from golden retrievers. chances are what you just thought of as food you now think of as a dead animal. what you just felt was delicious. you now feel is disgusting, and chances are,
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rather than continuing to eat the hamburger you want to throw it away. this is because karna csm has not conditioned you to think of golden retrievers or dogs as edible. own con ism is the term proposed by american psychologist melanie joy to describe our contradictory relationship with animals. we tend to assume that only begins and vegetarians follow a belief system, but the only reason we may learn to eat pigs, but not dogs, for example, is because we do follow a belief system when it comes to eating animals. when eating animals is not a necessity for survival, which is true for many people in the world today. ah, people who cannot make their choices freely who are economically disadvantaged, for example, can't make their choices freely, but many people in the world today can make their choices freely. when eating animals is not a necessity for survival, then it's
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a choice. and choices always stem from beliefs or would be the was the truth, is actually largely belief. we believe what we read in our textbooks, that doctors know how our bodies work. and that physicists can explain why the moon doesn't full from the sky. ah, but we've also learned such things as voice, don't weigh scouts. women can't be astronauts are and got pigs for eating. and so i became very curious as to why people just stop thinking and feeling when it came to his issue of eating animals. and this led me to do my doctoral dissertation on the psychology of eating animals. my, my question wasn't really why people shouldn't eat animals. my question was, why do people eat animals?
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this is where heavy such lead her. she wanted to understand the logic of the slaughter industry and the thinking of the people who work there. people like get hot, auto doesn't do that, but anyway, that's a great question. do i love animals to me? an animal welfare officer in a slaughter house or the gentleman? i like working with animals. so yes, i have an affinity for them. the gulch now slaughter house is one of germany's 10 largest pig slaughter houses. young. we have hundreds of employees and we slaughter around $35000.00 animals here weekly until the last hours in the lives of these hogs forever clear. so this script from oblong here by the procedure here is for the animals to be unloaded by a to ramps. you can see them here on the left. then it's when they arrive at the slaughterhouse, the pigs way around. 120 kilograms in are about 6 months old ones in there and all
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right. we have space for 900 animals in on about 0. that number is more than double the hourly slaughter capacity as a sub or did it. so the animals actually have an hour to an hour and a half rest period less. yeah, i did that some numbers on i thought mill father. but if you think that's important for the quality of the meat, that stress has a negative effect on quality. and of course, we want to deliver the best product on the pace at which the pigs are killed. is sick by the assembly line in the neighboring meat processing plant. debit card. if you remember, we anesthetized the animals with c o 2 and a concentration of 92 per cent. on the other, the on i didn't common procedure upon yet on the animals are transported in a live on a pato northstar with 5 gondolas love on a gun to pagan. the gondola goes down into the c o 2 atmosphere and is stunned on dollars for the seat of a car. hard to sit,
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not at the controversial thing about the c o. 2. stunning as the animals defense reaction. the c o. 2 or carbonic acid irritates the mucus membranes and the pig has difficulty breathing. mom has to do an album, no footage taken by animal rights activists at another slow to house, shows how pigs suffer an a. c. o 2 stunning plant. the rising c o 2 content in the blood produces a feeling of suffocation on how to move it all up on. that's why research is being done on other procedures, but so far, no practical alternative has been found diseases. so the pixel continue to be subjected to this procedure. $1700000.00 animals per year in this plan to loan. afterwards they have
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a maximum of 70 seconds to live their throats of n cut and they bleed out. the living creatures have turned into caucasus whom we learn to believe that a pig is a pig and all pigs are the same. carnis m teaches us to think of farmed animals as abstractions as lacking any individuality or personality of their own. yeah, avenue. yes. we can. it's okay to eat animals and of course we have to do it responsibly on, but then i believe it's acceptable to eat animals because of their high nutritional value model. we think of them as of actions and this makes it easier for us to support violence against them any more. i think that everyone can and should be
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allowed to eat what they want or it's a myth. this is the belief in a hierarchy of moral worth, that certain individuals or groups are more worthy of moral consideration of being treated with respect than others and figure more freely friend. of course, it's always difficult when the mediator gets lectured on what they should be doing for the afternoon. golf cart of them is what's called a dominant belief system or ideology. it is so widespread that it's tenants, its teachings are invisible. they're woven through the very fabric of society. they are embraced and maintained by all major social institutions from the family to the state. when you're born into a dominant belief system, you internalize it. we learn to look at the world through the lens of carnis. i'm in interviews with meet, produces and meet,
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eat is the same. passions emerge over and over again. says met any joy. the way that we learn to justify eating animals is by learning to believe that the myths of eating animals are the facts of eating animals. and there's a, a wide mythology surrounding carn ism, but all of these carnis admits fall under what i refer to as the 3 ends of justification. eating animals is a normal natural and necessary. oh, that is not exactly how it is. take natural for a start, aren't we? humans? conover is by nature. let i'm inches of in from a purely biological viewpoints. humans are on divorce. historian, area, everybody is researching the cultural history of meet barber the lunch for the
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majority of our existence. we were primarily meat eaters flesh. felisa is traced today's social issue back to the beginnings of human kind antibiotics. the city can see it most clearly in our digestive tract, the construction of our intestines. this is all about like guerrillas and chimpanzees. we're not really good at breaking down plant food with a low energy content, such as leaves and the like france here. now i'm giving in a key unfair little blade. those on staples off to frighten intestines. construction is tailored more to breaking down food that's already been pre digested in some way the food for thought this could be due to the use of fire for them to spoil. it's even better at directly breaking down proteins and high fat food egg of bits found and they popping off it, breaking off to equipment. this 1st deflation. our ancestors probably had a similar diety, chimpanzees consisting many of fruit to this and leaves. but more than 2000000 years ago, this
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a banner spread across africa and our ancestors left the forest. soon after they lost their fur. and the naked apes evolve the astonishing ability to sweat more than any other animal. according to the endurance running, hypothesis, sweating and nakedness are the result of our early desire for me. just as he can move where africa. imagine you are a large mumble in africa, i get to you. it's very hot. it's very dry to settle. there are very few water holes escaped. sirvina give us austin. c. on the answer, your diet consists of grass and such like name the face. you have to eat instantly in order to consume enough grass for your energy needs and covenants on combined that with the water you need to survive at the savannah transitioning. and you have no time to spare. spencer's school society, the life of the big mammals over heaps of animation, and they overheat very quickly, to harmon gainer. but now these small mammals arrive on the scene peculiar little monkeys, very energy efficient, but they don't to overheat quickly. and what's more, they've come up with the idea that they don't have to depend on certain water halls,
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but instead they carry their water around with them. and that, and all they have to do is to make sure that you as a large, easily overheated mammal. don't get arrest missed so they prevent you from drinking from resting from cooling down or not. he knows event i'll up took her in a very short time. you die of dehydration that has lots of it. so all are proto human ancestors. needed to do was to be incredibly annoying. in the mid 20th century, research is began to look closely at the few remaining hunter gatherer societies. such as the cong here in the calorie desert in southern africa. although they no longer live in the stone age, just like the people back then they eat what nature has to offer. they then plant anything or keep substantial reserves,
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but trust with each new day that they will find enough to eat. anthropologists observe the same phenomena across the world. all these societies eat animals, sometimes covering up to 90 percent of their energy needs with meat. thus, of us, in the sugar food that was so important in the later diet, over sedentary farming eros. because again, these carbohydrate rich grains and tubers from lead to potatoes, if you like it, they are virtually absent from the natural diet of these people. a billing analysis that is a mental so called finished for. so more than a 1000000 years the dies of our ancestors remained largely unchanged. even when hammer sapiens emerged and spread across the continent. the world remained firmly in the hands of the hunter gatherers until around 14000 years ago. when a development in the middle east changed everything, people became sedentary. and yet, it was, you can then something very peculiar happened to long as in the mothers, as long as they were nomadic, even though they could only carry
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a limited number of infants on their journeys. and the limited number of old people who were no longer fully mobile, i mention in no flip of evils fixing me to them. so quickly, i disarmed practically all hunter, gather societies have mechanisms for keeping these ratios in functioning proportions. on one hand, by controlling the reproduction, yet, so not having more children than they can provide foreign kona and, and in some cases, by abandoning the elderly, if they became an unmanageable burden on the last we haven't when humans became sedentary, this wasn't necessary since they no longer had a child once every 4 years, but once every 2 years and it's very other. and anyone who has paid attention and mats knows what that means, and a very short time, the population started to grow exponentially. to feed the rapidly growing population, people started farming for the 1st time, they no longer just took from the environment. what they happened to find, but intentionally grew their own food and it's in tweak, invisalign. then these people developed an incredible arsenal of agricultural
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technologies looking since almost its yellow domesticated all kinds of animals and plants still. and i also started developing these plans, surveyed the secret that they selectively bread crumbs and livestock wrong, and they spread here crop farmers had an average dispersal rates of about 20 kilometers per generation before interfered throughout the humid liberal in of its own assessments. and as you take a settlement of farmers begin to find the next generation establish their own settlement about a day is walk away with you at a distance of about 20 to 30 kilometers thought of amps. and if you trace this over the lennier, you have an accurate picture of the advance of farming austin of oak. during the neolithic revolution, peoples died also changed radically as being physically within a relatively short time. the 405060 percent of meet eaten in the home together a diet cropped a 10 to 15 percent of animal products consumed in the sedentary diet. you get to farmers. we're lucky often since the middle availability leather,
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even at an early stage, so a very large proportion of this wasn't meet it, but the animal by products and import eggs and milk. this dorian e s t f of our has traced the status of meat from antiquity through the middle ages to modern times. me to remain throughout a rare but integral part of the diet, and at most times was cherished as a precious substance. the poor, 8 bred animals were sacrificed to the gods, but displayed be some end of this. lance and the owners and thought remained the case until the end of the 19th century. yet of the 20th century and many regions on his, in athens with here in central europe in the german speaking countries profoundly, it was quite a status quo till after the 2nd world war and caught up in a young lot of people live on, then old, mainly from their daily bread, susan, so from carbohydrates of some kind bread noodles in the south nato's dumplings, whatever his arm, it's always some kind of carbohydrates, the muses on anything else is extra for heat and vegetables made of a very small portion of the diet. in this thing,
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that's why we're so greedy from eat and not, and it's not just our species history that makes us crave or milk and english. and this long period of scarcity meats became prestigious mangus so and m was dish long's middle camera. 0150 years ago, the railroad spread across the united states and the common diet was the revolutionized once again, trains transported animals cheaply from the southern states to the hungry cities and beef became a 3rd for the masses. the 1st, pardon, slaughter house was built in chicago. no one can and the chief from him, we all are story of henry ford and his automobile assembly line and then we'll can refer to actually copied the assembly line principal from the slaughter houses. considers mythology bounders been attractive up to the 1st industrial production with a conveyor belt was not for putting a car together. bob, but for taking a cow apart on those on was was a man the name and, and is i think this after the 2 world wars,
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what we now call the west and pattern diet became more established in industrialized nations. beatrice one that said, is the postwar economic boom, that's an explosion in european meets consumption. bring him the system bytes. and the problem that soon became apparent is that we didn't to compensate for this massive increase in meet consumption by adopting the rest of the hunter gatherer dieting. we've developed some long ego. suddenly we're eating much more, meet someone, but we're still eating as many carbohydrates as before for him not just not enough vegetables at that and well root. we all know how that ends up defying some because oh, look at the history of human evolution shows that are living conditions, determine our diet, at least as much as our genes. so how can never is always ah, the answer depends on how deeply we get into the past. ah,
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eating meat can be considered natural, but is it necessary? and do we like lions have no choice? i got it. yes. what's your name? carina with a c. ok, nickel he to now is a nutritionist, best selling author and ardent vegan. his books call for a fundamental change in our eating habits. did the attitude will give us the current western pattern diet as a disaster with slides too much of what is harmful and excess reeney and too little of the essential nutrients we need to survive until the national for was in class. we are over eating, but undernourished me out, does. but it's also not true that meet per se, is unhealthy. as the media sometimes suggests, or even if i'm personal vegan, i'm primarily a nutritionist. now i also had the data does not show that on which consumption is unhealthy, because one of the athletes, me, and other animal products are nutrient rich foods, when produced properly them. but negotiating over these that we are no longer
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dependent on these nutrient rich foods to day. in his cooking shows and lectures, he debunked common misconceptions still is a little damn camera, animal products, dont monopolize certain neutral, solemn can we don't eat meat, but the minerals and meat, i don't need milk and dairy products, but the calcium and other nutrients from cheese and milk out, we don't need fish, but a mega 3 phenomena don't need eggs and the protein and colin lien, i don't, we don't need animal products that we need the nutrients that are in the animal products. and i have heard that the fact is, throughout the history of us these, these we have always eaten meat and most of us still find meats. simply delicious. isn't that our body's way of telling us something? yar? yes, no. it would be nice of nutritional deficiencies, could be corrected by following or instincts forming and be he's off. we developed a preference for certain foods, for lever. it would be a sign, we needed a couple of vitamins or minerals. i know that under the amino man, i'm in a large long as ellison,
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but in reality we're actually victims of her own preferences, steve, to break because although they're evolutionary and made sense in the past, they don't work in today's conditions falling, ma'am the unborn. and if we have an a nate preference for sweet foods to why? because a nature, sweet tasting, ripe fruit is a good source of carbohydrates called blood in her brain is carbohydrate hungry for labor. feel that nowadays this preference for quick fix carbohydrates for sweet tastes. is often our undoing all of us that we eat far too much sweet food on the sake of sugar is a cheap commodity that can be added to everything. and with the same goes for other taste preferences we have resort. and so when people say we should eat more intuitively, i would say no, we should resist, we should use our brains and not trust or good feeling. so marching lastly, data is off in his youtube videos nichol hit in our explains how this can work with our own diets. ultimately, he says a healthy life does not depend on whether we eat animals. what's important is the answer to, to general questions. hello,
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mines vast in number one asked what nutrients are essential for the survival of the human body and what and where can i get them islands out of the island. on the other hand, while i'm procuring these essential nutrients, i can ensure that those substances which are bad for my health when excessive are simply not excessively supplied income. you can fetch a tarion western pattern diet high carb, low carb atkinson kito, genic, whatever half off like. and this is pigeon holing, of course we're, but all these options can cover our nutrient requirements correctly. oh, historically we've been dependent on animal products for a very long time and, and parts of the world we still are. but today in the global know we can eat healthily without animal products. eating meat is not a necessity. this leaves the 3rd and normal. oh good i said jim's in the us,
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you. i'm already in the 7th generation wing from all the farm has been in family hanson's 1855 than the popular that i fell. mellum infamy, filthy on the city, keeps ducks and keith on his thumb in petty gall. how normal you find what he does with them probably depends on where you are watching this program from. because floria boucher, he is a proud producer of duct liver. patty it's been banned in almost all european countries, including germany. in france, however, for god is part of the national heritage evergreen road. or you can give points and different categories, your presentation of warm originality, which is not at the thought god challenge in paris, culinary talents from all over the country present their creations in front of a renowned, cheery womack. my kitchen is
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a kitchen of memories. nicholas inspired by my father that he should every christmas seat serve a dish known as for gara with apple. net yes, available for although the tradition is increasingly criticized, he had 2 people of all generations associate for god with a smell of childhood and the cosy christmas feeling in mediating cultures around the world. people learn to classify a small handful of animals as edible and all the rest they classify as inevitable and often disgusting to consume. and the people around the world tend to view their own choices of which animals to consumer, which animals are edible, as rational and the choices of other cultures as irrational and often even offensive. and disgusting. would we consider normal? always depends on what culture we grow up in. and at what time many things we
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reject today were once normal. so no man is he alone is not a useful value. when a behavior is no longer seen as a necessity, then it becomes a choice. and once a behavior becomes a choice rather than a necessity, it takes on an ethical mentioned that it didn't have in quite the same way before. sir, our typical answers to the question of why we eat meat, sir, for the most part to deflect another uncomfortable question. is it morally right to eat animals? ah, ah,
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