tv The Great Meat Debate Deutsche Welle February 19, 2023 9:30pm-10:01pm CET
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i displayed my it's nice actually we really didn't want a dog cool. we just wanted to take a look just a quick look, lyons won't do you as he was the smallest and the youngest and the weakest to them . and the breeder said, yes, this little one's always losing out. and he put her in my arms and he stopped crying. why? of course, my heart melted on the spot. when would i out? was king not your yahoo! when tessie joined the neu my ass, she was only a few weeks old. weeks turned into months and months into years. she grew up with the 2 children and discovered the world, the pets. we share our homes with our, our best friends and family members. each one is uniquely special and we do anything to keep them happy. ah,
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we don't see this uniqueness in the animals we eat. in the supermarket, we think of the meal they will make, not the individuals they once were. ah, we had champions of suppression. how do we do it so well, imagine that you're eating a hamburger. and as you're biting into this juicy burger, your dining companion says to you, actually that hamburger is not made from kaos. it's made from golden retrievers. chances are what you just thought of as food you. now think of as a dead animal. what you just felt was delicious. you now feel is disgusting, and chances are, rather than continuing to eat the hamburger you want to throw it away. this is
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because karna csm has not conditioned you to think of golden retrievers or dogs as edible. own con ism is the term proposed by american psychologist melanie joy to describe our contradictory relationship with animals. we tend to assume that only begins and vegetarians follow a belief system, but the only reason we may learn to eat pegs but not dogs, for example, is because we do follow a belief system when it comes to eating animals. when eating animals is not a necessity for survival, which is true for many people in the world today. ah, people who cannot make their choices freely who are economically disadvantage, for example, can't make their choices freely, but many people in the world to they can't make their choices freely. when eating animals is not a necessity for survival, then it's a choice. and choices always stem from beliefs would be if he was,
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the truth is actually largely belief. we believe what we read in our textbooks, that doctors know how our bodies work, and that physicists can explain why the moon doesn't full from the sky. ah, but we've also learned such things as boys don't wear scouts, women can't be astronauts or, and got pigs for eating. and so i became very curious as to why people just stop thinking and feeling when it came to this issue of eating animals . and this led me to do my doctoral dissertation on the psychology of eating animals. my, my question wasn't really why people shouldn't eat animals. my question was, why do people eat animals? this is where heavy such lead her. she wanted to understand the logic of the
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slaughter industry and the thinking of the people who work there. people like it, hot auto doesn't do that, but anyway, that's a great question. do i love animals to me? an animal welfare officer in a slaughter house or the gentleman i like working with animals. so yes, i have an affinity for them on the gosh. no slaughter house is one of germany's 10 largest pig slaughterhouses. young. we have hundreds of employees and we slaughter around $35000.00 animals here weekly until the last hour in the lives of these hugs follow clear. so this script from our blog here, beside the procedure here is for the animals to be unloaded by a 2 ramps. you can see them here on the left. and when they arrive at the slaughterhouse, the pigs way around. 120 kilograms in are about 6 months old ones, then it runs. all right, if we have space for 900 animals in on about 0,
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that number is more than double the hourly slaughter capacity as a summer did it? so the animals actually have an hour to an hour and a half rest period. yeah, i did that some numbers on i thought that won't bother with a video that's important for the quality of the meat stress has a negative effect on quality. and of course, we want to deliver the best product the pace at which the pigs are killed is sick by the assembly line in the neighboring meat processing plant. debit card here, but we anesthetized the animals with c o 2 and a concentration of 92 per cent on the vaughn is a common procedure here. the body on the animals are transported in a lift on a potter northstar with 5 gondolas love on are going to pagan. the gondola goes down into the c o 2 atmosphere and is stunned on dollars. if you have a car car that i'm sitting on the controversial thing about the c o 2, stunning as the animals defense reaction. the c o. 2 or carbonic acid irritates the
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mucus membranes and the pig has difficulty breathing. mom of up north footage, taken by animal rights activists at another slow to house shows how pig suffer an a c. o 2 stunning plant. the rising c o 2 content in the blood produces a feeling of suffocation on woodward on, on the map on. that's why research is being done on other procedures, but so far, no practical alternative has been bound season. so the pixel continue to be subjected to this procedure. $1700000.00 animals per year in this plan to loan. afterwards they have a maximum of 70 seconds to live their throats of
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n cut and they bleed out. the living creatures have turned into caucasus. we learned to believe that a pig is a pig and all pigs are the same. harness m teaches us to think of farmed animals as abstractions as lacking any individuality or personality of their own. yeah. avenue from yes we can. it's okay to eat animals and of course we have to do it responsibly and on. but then i believe it's acceptable to eat animals because of their high nutritional value model. we think of them as of actions and this makes it easier for us to support violence against them. we have any more think that everyone can and should be allowed to eat what they want or it's m f. this is the belief in a hierarchy of moral worth,
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that certain individuals or groups are more worthy of moral consideration of being treated with respect than others. and figure more freely from of course it's always difficult when the mediator gets lectured on what they should be doing. both at one doff carson is what's called a dominant belief system or ideology. it is so widespread that it's tenants, it's teachings are invisible. they're woven through the very fabric of society. they're embraced and maintained by all major social institutions from the family to the state. when you're born into a dominant belief system, you internalize it. we learn to look at the world through the lens of carnis. in her interviews with meet produces and meat eaters, the same passions emerge over and over again,
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says met any joy. the way that we learn to justify eating animals is by learning to believe that the myths of eating animals are the facts of eating animals. and there's a, a wide mythology surrounding carn ism, but all of these carnis admits fall under what i refer to as the 3 ends of justification. eating animals is a normal natural and necessary. oh, but isn't that exactly how it is? take natural for a start, aren't we humans? conover is by nature. let them inches of in from a purely biological viewpoints. humans are on divorce. historian, areas f about is researching the cultural history of meet barber the lunch for the majority of our existence. we were primarily meat eaters flesh felisa is traced today's social issue back to the beginnings of human kind. antibiotics and see if
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you can see it most clearly in our digestive tract, the construction of our intestines. this is all about like guerrillas and chimpanzees. we're not really good at breaking down plant food with a low energy content, such as leaves and the like france, we're here now and we're giving in a key unfair little blade. those on staples off to frighten intestines. construction is tailored more to breaking down food. that's already been pre digested in some way that will football. this could be due to the use of fire for the end of this file. it's even better at directly breaking down proteins and high fat food agnes. but it's found on a popping off it breaking off that was not as far as the flashing. our ancestors probably had a similar diety, chimpanzees consisting many of fruit tubers and leaves. but more than 2000000 years ago, this urbana spread across africa and our ancestors left the forest. soon after they lost their fur. and the naked apes evolve the astonishing ability to sweat more
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than any other animal. according to the endurance running, hypothesis, sweating and nakedness are the result of our early desire for me to see him if we're africa. imagine you are a large mammal and african legged to you. it's very hot. it's very dry to settle. there are very few water holes escape sirvina give us austin c. on the answer, your diet consists of grass and such like history in the face. you have to eat instantly in order to consume enough grass for your energy needs and covenants on combined that with the water you need to survive at the savannah transitioning. and you have no time to spare. spencer's goals to select the life of the big mammal tube or heats and vance finished, and they overheat very quickly, to harmon gainer. but now these small mammals arrive on the scene peculiar little monkeys. very energy efficient, but they don't to overheat quickly. and what's more, they've come up with the idea that they don't have to depend on certain water halls, but instead they carry their water around with them. hm. it's and that,
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and all they have to do is to make sure that you as a large, easily overheated mammo don't get arrest, missed so they prevent you from drinking from resting, from cooling down all not a he knows developed soccer in a very short time. you die of dehydration that has those of it. so all are proto human ancestors. needed to do was to be incredibly annoying. in the mid 20th century, research is began to look closely at the few remaining hunter gatherer societies. such as the cong here in the color, hurry desert in southern africa. although they no longer live in the stone age, just like the people back then they eat what nature has to offer. they don't plant anything or keep substantial reserves, but trust with each new day that they will find enough to eat. anthropologists
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observe the same phenomena across the world. all these societies eat animals, sometimes covering up to 90 percent of their energy needs with meat. thus of us in there should be food that was so important in the later diet, over sedentary farming, iraq with either one of these carbohydrate rich grains and tubers from lead to potatoes if you like. it's, they are virtually absent from the natural diet of these people, a 1000000000 and so as it is a mental cycle finished for. so more than a 1000000 years the dies of our ancestors remained largely unchanged. even when hammer sapiens emerged and spread across the continents. the world remained firmly in the hands of the hunter gatherers until around 14000 years ago, when a development in the middle east changed everything, people became set in trade. so on the other, because you can then something very peculiar happened to long as in the mothers. as long as they were nomadic keyanna, they could only carry a limited number of infants on their journeys. and the limited number of old people
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who were no longer fully mobile mention in now, if we've been able to weeks in metro, so could be either some, practically all hunter gather. societies have mechanisms for keeping these ratios in functioning proportions. on the one hand, by controlling the reproduction, yet, so not having more children than they can provide for encounter. and, and in some cases, by abandoning the elderly, if they became an unmanageable burden on the last we haven't when humans became sedentary, this wasn't necessary since they no longer had a child once every 4 years. but once every 2 years and it's very other. and anyone who has paid attention and mats knows what that means. in a very short time, the population started to grow exponentially. to feed the rapidly growing population, people started farming. for the 1st time, they no longer just took from the environment. what they happened to find, but intentionally, grew their own food. and it's in tweak, invisalign. then these couple developed an incredible arsel of agricultural technologies looking since almost its yellow domesticated all kinds of animals and
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plants still. and i also started developing these plans and surveyed the secret that they selectively bred crops and livestock on, and they spread here cropped farmers had an average dispersal, rates of about 20 kilometers per generation at the front interfered throughout the kilometer pool again of its own assistance and as of you take a settlement of farmers begin to find the next generation establish their own settlement ever to day is walk away with you at a distance of about 20 to 30 kilometers, voted am. and if you trace this over the lennier, you have an accurate picture of the advance of farming austin with a hope. during the neolithic revolution, peoples died also changed radically. has been physically within a relatively short time. the 405060 per cent of meat eaten in the hunt together a diet dropped at 10 to 15 percent of animal products consumed in the sedentary diet even if the farmers were looking up on since the middle of ela, validate that even at an early stage saw a very large proportion of this wasn't meet yet, but the animal by products and import eggs and milk. this dorian earliest f of our
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has traced the status of meat from antiquity through the middle ages. to modern times, meat remained throughout a rare but integral part of the diet, and at most times was cherished as a precious substance. the poor, 8 bred animals, the sacrifice to the gods, but display be some end of this month and the owners will remain the case until the end of the 19th century. yet of the 20th century, many regents on his napkin sweat here in central europe. the german speaking countries profoundly was quite a status quo till after the 2nd world war, according to up. know you got to people live on then old, mainly from their daily bread, susan, so from carbohydrates, of some kind bread noodles in the south. potatoes, dumplings, whatever. ellis, i'm, it's always some kind of carbohydrate to be moved on. anything else is extra for heat and vegetables made of a very small portion of the diet in this thing. that's why we're so greedy from eat and it's not an it's not just our species history that makes us crave or muted
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gunning goes on. first long period of scarcity meats became prestigious mangus so an em prestige. long's middle camera 0150 years ago. the railroad spread across the united states and the common diet was the revolutionized once again, trains transported animals cheaply from the southern states to the hungry cities. and beef became a thief for the masses. the 1st and so the house was built in chicago. no, we're looking at the chief from here. we all are story of henry ford and his automobile assembly line in denver. henry ford actually copied the assembly line principal from the slaughterhouses. this concept, as mythology founders been attractive him up to the 1st industrial production with a conveyor belt, was not for putting a car together. bob, but for taking a cow apart on those saunas lamnammen and his willingness. after the 2 world wars, what we now call the waste and pat and diet became more established in industrialized nations. beatrice one that said,
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is the postwar economic boom. that's an explosion in european meets consumption, putting him the 5th and bytes. and the problem that soon became apparent is that we didn't compensate for this massive increase in meet consumption to it by adopting the rest of the hunter gatherer dieting. phoebe though some long ego, suddenly we're eating much more, meet some, and we're still eating as many carbohydrates as before. for him not just not enough vegetables at the and well root. we all know how that ends up deferring some because a look at the history of human evolution shows that are living conditions, determine our diet, at least as much as our genes. so how can never is always ah, the answer depends on how deeply we look into the past. ah, eating meat can be considered natural, but is it necessary?
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and do we like lions have no choice. so got it. yes. what's her name? carina with a c. ok, nickel he to now is a nutritionist, best selling author and ardent vegan. his books call for a fundamental change in our eating habits did yesterday really give us the current western pattern diet as a disaster. with slides too much of what is harmful and excess leaning and too little of the essential nutrients we need to survive since elemental for this in class. we are over eating, but undernourished me out. does when it's also not true that meet per se, is unhealthy? as the media sometimes suggests, even if i'm personal vegan, i'm primarily a nutritionist. now i often, and the data does not show that only to consumption is unhealthy, because one of the applicants meets and other animal products are nutrient rich foods. when produced properly them. but nickels a ton of these that were no longer dependent on these nutrient rich foods to day in his cooking shows and lectures, he debunked common misconceptions still is
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a little damn can one of our products, dont monopolized certain neutral song and we dont need meat. but the minerals and meat i dont need milk and dairy products, but the calcium and other nutrients from cheese and milk cows. we don't need fish but omega 3 full omega, dont need eggs at any protein. and colin leon, either we don't need animal products, we need the nutrients that are in the animal products. and i have heard that the fact is throughout the history of us these, these we have always eaten meat and most of us still find meat. simply delicious, isn't that our body's way of telling us something yar? yes no. it would be nice of nutritional deficiencies, could be corrected by following or instincts or may not be he's off. we developed a preference for certain foods for lever. it would be a sign we needed a couple of vitamins or minerals i entered under the amino man, i'm in a large long as ellison, but in reality we're actually victims of her own preferences, steve to plague. because although they're evolutionary and made sense in the past,
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they don't work in today's conditions falling behind the anger ball. and if we have an innate preference for sweet foods too much, because in nature, sweet tasting, ripe fruit is a good source of carbohydrates called lab. and our brain is carbohydrate hungry for labor. feel that nowadays this preference for quick fix carbohydrates for sweet tastes is often our undoing. all of that. we eat far too much sweet food on the theory because sugar is a cheap commodity that can be added to everything warden with the same goes for other taste preferences we have was ordered. so when people say we should eat more intuitively, here, i would say no, we should resist, we should use our brains are not trust or good feeling. so marching lastly, data is off in his youtube videos. negotiate in our explains how this can work with our own diets. ultimately, he says a healthy life does not depend on whether we eat animals. what's important is the answer to, to general questions. hello. mines vast in number one asks what nutrients are essential for the survival of the human body and what and where can i get them
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amans out of the other hand. on the other hand, while i'm procuring these essential nutrients, i can ensure that those substances which are bad for my health when excessive are simply not excessively supplied income coming. and if i can ensure these 2 things, the i have an array of dietary options account vegan, vegetarian western pattern, diet high carb, low carb atkinson, kito, genic, whatever else like this is pigeon holing. of course we're, but all these options can cover our nutrient requirements correctly. oh, historically we've been dependent on animal products for a very long time and in parts of the world we still are. but to day in the global north li can eat healthily without animal products. eating meat is not a necessity. this leaves the 3rd and normal. oh should i said jim, johnny aust,
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i'm already in the 7th generation wings or more of the farm has been in family hanson's 1855 than the populace that i fell mellum. infamy shall the elbow, city keeps ducks and geese on his thumb and petty gore. how normal you find what he does with them? probably depends on where you are watching this program from. because julia boucher, he is a proud producer of duct liver. patty it's been banned in almost all european countries, including germany. in france, however, for god is part of the national heritage. everything. oh, you can give points and different categories for presentation warm originality. we should have at the thought, god challenge in paris, culinary talents from all over the country present their creations in front of a renown cherry, my magazine. my kitchen is a kitchen of memories. yes,
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that's inspired by my father that every christmas he'd serve a dish known as for garage with apple. net. yes, i've been up on the follow up although the tradition is increasingly criticized. he had 2 people of all generations associate for god with a smell of childhood and the cosy christmas feeling in mediating cultures around the world. people learn to classify a small handful of animals as edible and all the rest they classify as inevitable and often disgusting to consume. and people around the world tend to view their own choices of which animals to consumer, which animals are edible, as rational and the choices of other cultures as irrational and often even offensive. and disgusting. would we consider normal? always depends on what culture we grow up in. and at what time many things we
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reject to day, we're once normal. so no man is he alone is not a useful value. when a behavior is no longer seen as a necessity, then it becomes a choice. and once a behavior becomes a choice rather than a necessity, it takes on an ethical dimension that it didn't have in quite the same way before. the our typical answers to the question of why we eat meat, sir, for the most part to deflect another uncomfortable question. is it morally right to eat animals? ah, ah, with
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