tv The Great Meat Debate Deutsche Welle February 20, 2023 2:15am-2:46am CET
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ah, i displayed my it's mean actually we really didn't want a dog quote. we just wanted to take a look just a quick look like so do you test? he was the smallest and the youngest and the weakest to them. and the breeder said, yes, this little ones always losing out. and he put her in my arms and he stopped crying . why? of course, my heart melted on the spot. and what i asked was king, not iraq. when tessie joined the neu my ass, she was only a few weeks old. weeks turned into months and months into years. she grew up with the 2 children and discovered the world, the pets. we share our homes with our, our best friends and family members. each one is uniquely special and we do anything to keep them happy.
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ah, we don't see this uniqueness in the animals we eat. in the supermarket, we think of the meal they will make, not the individuals they once were. ah, we are champions of suppression. how do we do it so well? imagine that you're eating a hamburger. and as you're biting into this juicy burger, your dining companion says to you, actually that hamburger is not made from kaos. it's made from golden retrievers. chances are what you just thought of as food you now think of as a dead animal. what you just felt was delicious, you now feel is disgusting, and chances are,
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rather than continuing to eat the hamburger you want to throw it away. this is because karna csm has not conditioned you to think of golden retrievers or dogs as edible. own con ism is the term proposed by american psychologists melanie joy to describe our contradictory relationship with animals. we tend to assume that only begins and vegetarians follow a belief system, but the only reason we may learn to eat pegs but not dogs, for example, is because we do follow a belief system when it comes to eating animals. when eating animals is not a necessity for survival, which is true for many people in the world today. ah, people who cannot make their choices freely who are economically disadvantage, for example, can't make their choices freely, but many people in the world to they can make their choices freely. when eating animals is not a necessity for survival, then it's a choice. and choices always stem from beliefs would be he was the truth
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is actually largely belief. we believe what we read in our textbooks, that doctors know how our bodies work, and that physicists can explain why the moon doesn't full from the sky. ah, but we've also learned such things as boys don't wear skies, women can't be astronauts or, and got pigs for eating. and so i became very curious as to why people just stop thinking and feeling when it came to his issue of eating animals. and this led me to do my doctoral dissertation on the psychology of eating animals . my, my question wasn't really why people shouldn't eat animals. my question was, why do people eat animals? this is where heavy such lead her. she wanted to understand the logic of the
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slaughter industry and the thinking of the people who work there. people like it, hot auto doesn't do that, but anyway, that's a great question. do i love animals to me, an animal welfare officer in a slaughter house or the again and i like working with animals. so yes, i have an affinity for them on the gosh. now slaughter house is one of germany's 10 largest pig slaughter houses. young. we have hundreds of employees and we slaughter around $35000.00 animals here weekly until the last hour in the lives of these hugs follow clear. so this script from our blog here, that the procedure here is for the animals to be unloaded by a 2 ramps. you can see them here on the left. and when they arrive at the slaughterhouse, the pigs way around. 120 kilograms in are about 6 months old ones, then it would end. all right, if we have space for 900 animals and long enough 0,
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that number is more than double the hourly slaughter capacity as a summer did it? so the animals actually have an hour to an hour and a half rest period less. yeah, i did some numbers on i thought no, father. but if you think that's important for the quality of the meat, that stress has a negative effect on quality. and of course, we want to deliver the best product on the pace at which the pigs are killed. is sick by the assembly line in the neighboring meat processing plant. debit card here of it for we anesthetized the animals with c o 2 at a concentration of 92 per cent. on the on i didn't common procedure here. the body and the animals are transported in a lift on a potter northstar with 5 gondolas dragon pagan. the gondola goes down into the c o 2 atmosphere and is stunned on dollars for the heat of a car car that i'm sitting on the controversial thing about the c o. 2 stunning as
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the animals defense reaction. the c o. 2 or carbonic acid irritates the mucus membranes and the pig has difficulty breathing. mom, if you have a lot of noise footage taken by animal rights activists at another slow to house shows how pigs suffer an a. c. o 2 stunning plant. the rising c o 2 content and the blood produces a feeling of suffocation home on little on the map on. that's why research is being done on other procedures, but so far, no practical alternative has been found out these other so the pixel continue to be subjected to this procedure. $1700000.00 animals per year in this plan to loan. afterwards they have
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a maximum of 70 seconds to live their throats of n cut and they bleed out. the living creatures have turned into caucasus whom we learn to believe that a pig is a pig and all pigs are the same corners and teaches us to think of farmed animals as abstractions as lacking any individuality or personality of their own. yeah, yes, yes we can. it's okay to eat animals and of course we have to do it responsibly on, but then i believe it's acceptable to eat animals because of their high nutritional value model. we think of them as of actions and this makes it easier for us to support violence against them any more. i think that everyone can and should be allowed to eat what they want or it's a myth. this is the belief in a hierarchy of moral worth,
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that certain individuals or groups are more worthy of moral consideration of being treated with respect than others and figure more freely for him. of course, it's always difficult when the mediator gets lectured on what they should be doing . off at one doff, carson is what's called a dominant belief system or ideology. it is so widespread that it's tenants, it's teachings are invisible. they're woven through the very fabric of society. they are embraced and maintained by all major social institutions from the family to the state. when you're born into a dominant belief system, you internalize it. we learn to look at the world through the lens of carnis. in her interviews with meet, produces and meet,
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eat is the same. passions emerge over and over again. says met any joy. the way that we learn to justify eating animals is by learning to believe that the myths of eating animals are the facts of eating animals. and there's a, a wide mythology surrounding carn ism, but all of these carnis admits fall under what i refer to as the 3 ends of justification. eating animals is a normal natural and necessary. oh, but isn't that exactly how it is? take natural for his daughter, aunt we humans can never asked by nature let i'm inches of in from a purely biological viewpoint. humans are on divorce. historian, areas f, a. bower is researching the cultural history of meet barber, the lunch for the majority of our existence. we were primarily meat eaters flesh
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felisa. he is traced today's social issue back to the beginnings of human kind antibiotics. the city can see it most clearly in digestive tract, the construction of our intestines. this was also bound on like guerrillas and chimpanzees. we're not really good at breaking down plant food with a low energy content, such as leaves and the like plants here now along with giving in ocoee on fail to play. those on stand was off to frighten intestines. construction is tailored more to breaking down food. that's already been pre digested in some way the for football. this could be due to the use of fire for them to file. it's even better at directly breaking down proteins and high fat food exit or bits found and then popping off it, breaking off to work, not this 1st deflation. our ancestors probably had a similar diety, chimpanzees consisting mainly of fruit to this and leaves. but more than 2000000 years ago, this a banner spread across africa and our ancestors left the forest. soon after they
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lost their fur. and the naked apes evolve the astonishing ability to sweat more than any other animal. according to the endurance running, hypothesis, sweating and nakedness are the result of our early desire for me to see him or if we're africa. imagine you are a large mumble in africa you. it's very hot. it's very dry to settle. there are very few water holes escape sirvina give us austin. see on the answer your diet consists of grass and such. like in the face, you have to eat constantly in order to consume enough grass for your energy needs and covenants on combined that with the water you need to survive in the savannah positioning. and you've no time to spare. spencer's goals like the life of the big mammals, but he'd sundance initially, and they overheat very quickly, to harmon gainer. but now these small mammals arrive on the scene peculiar little monkeys, very energy efficient, but they don't to overheat quickly. and what's more, they've come up with the idea that they don't have to depend on certain water holes . but instead they carry their water around with them. and that,
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and all they have to do is to make sure that you as a large, easily overheated mammal. don't get to rest, missed so if they prevent you from drinking from resting or from cooling down or not, he knows it up soccer. in a very short time, you die of dehydration that has lots of it. so all are proto human ancestors needed to do was to be incredibly annoying. in the mid 20th century, research is began to look closely at the few remaining hunter gatherer societies. such as the cong here in the calorie desert in southern africa. although they no longer live in the stone age, just like the people back then they eat what nature has to offer. they don't plant anything or keep substantial reserves, but trust with each new day that they will find enough to eat. and the apologists
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observed the same phenomena across the world. all these societies eat animals, sometimes covering up to 90 percent of their energy needs with meat. thus of us in the sugar food that was so important in the later diet, over sedentary farming iraq. because again, these carbohydrate rich grains and chewers from lloyd to potatoes, if you like it. they are virtually absent from the natural diet of these people. of lillian nells residential so called finished for for more than a 1000000 years the dies of our ancestors remained largely unchanged. even when homo sapiens emerged and spread across the continents. the world remained firmly in the hands of the hunter gatherers until around 14000 years ago, when a development in the middle east changed everything, people became set entree. so on yes, because you can then something very peculiar happened to long as in the mothers, as long as they were no matter kina they could only carry a limited number of infants on their journeys and the limited number of old people who were no longer fully mobile,
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i mention in no flip of evils fixing me feel so good. the i disarmed practically all hunter, gather. societies have mechanisms for keeping these ratios in functioning proportions on the one hand, by controlling the reproduction. me ok, so not having more children than they can provide for connor and, and in some cases by abandoning the elderly, if they became an unmanageable burden on the last year than when humans became sedentary. this wasn't necessary since they no longer had a child. once every 4 years, but once every 2 years and it's very other. and anyone who has paid attention and mats knows what that means. in a very short time, the population started to grow exponentially. to feed the rapidly growing population, people started farming for the 1st time they no longer just took from the environment. what they happened to find, but intentionally grew their own food and its antique invisalign. then these couple developed an incredible arsenal of agricultural technologies looking since almost
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its yellow domesticated all kinds of animals and plants still. and i also started developing these plants, surveyed the secret that they selectively bred crops and livestock on months. and they spread here cropped farmers had an average dispersal, rates of about 20 kilometers per generation at the front interfered throughout the kilometer. the bill generates on the settings and as of you, take a settlement of farmers begin to find the next generation establish their own settlement about a day is walk away with you at a distance of about 20 to 30 kilometers thought of ants. and if you trace this over the millennia, you have an accurate picture of the advance of farming or some of the old. during the neolithic revolution, people's diet also changed radically. been successfully soon a relatively short time. the 405060 per cent of meat eaten in the hunt together a diet dropped at 10 to 15 percent of animal products consumed into sedentary diet even if the farmers were looking off on since the middle of ela, validate that even at an early stage, a very large proportion of this wasn't meet yet,
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but the animal by products should import eggs and milk. this dorian earliest f of our has traced the status of meat from antiquity through the middle ages. to modern times, meet remains throughout a rare but integral part of the diet, and at most times was cherished as a precious substance. the poor 8 bred animals, the sacrifice to the gods, but display be some end does not, and the owners will remain the case until the end of the 19th century. yet of the 20th century and many regions on his napkin sweat here in central europe. in the german speaking countries profoundly, it was quite a status quo till after the 2nd world war and called it up. and you got 2 people live on, then old, mainly from their daily bread, susan, so from carbohydrates of some kind bread noodles in the south meadows, dumplings, whatever. ellis, i'm, it's always some kind of carbohydrate to the muses on anything else is extra for heat and vegetables. made of a very small portion of the diet in this thing, that's why we're so greedy from eat and it's not an it's not just our species
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history that makes us crave or mute gun english. and this long period of scarcity meats became prestigious. it's mangus so an em prestige. lang's middle camera, 0150 years ago, the railroad spread across the united states and the common diet was the revolutionized once again, trains transported animals cheaply from the southern states to the hungry cities and beef became a 3rd for the masses. the 1st modern slaughter house was built in chicago. no, we're looking at the p from here. we all are story of henry ford and his automobile assembly line bumbled. henry ford actually copied the assembly line principal from the slaughter houses. sisters montage or bond has been a lot of them up to the 1st industrial production with a conveyor belt was not for putting a car together. bob, but for taking a cow apart out those channels as a mom, the name and, and designing this after the 2 world wars, what we now call the waste and pat and diet became more established in
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industrialized nations. vh of one that said, is the postwar economic boom, that's an explosion in european meets consumption, putting him the 5th and bytes. and the problem that soon became apparent is that we didn't compensate for this massive increase in meet consumption by adopting the rest of the hunter gatherer dieting. phoebe though some long ego, suddenly we're eating much more, meet some of it. we're still eating as many carbohydrates as before for him not just not enough vegetables at that and well root. we all know how that ends up deferring some because a look at the history of human evolution shows that are living conditions, determine our diet, at least as much as our genes. so how can never is ali ah, the answer depends on how deeply we look into the past. ah, eaten meat can be considered natural, but is it necessary?
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and do we like lions have no choice? i got it. yes. what's her name? carina with a c. okay. nickel, here to now is a nutritionist, best selling author and ardent vegan. his books call for a fundamental change in our eating habits did yesterday really give us the current western pattern diet as a disaster. with slides too much of what is harmful and excess reeney, and too little of the essential nutrients we need to survive until the middle of it is in class. we are over eating, but undernourished me, else does. when it's also not true, that meet per se is unhealthy. as the media sometimes suggests, even if i'm personal vegan, i'm primarily a nutritionist. now i often, and the data does not show that only to consumption is unhealthy, because one of the applicants, me, and other animal products are nutrient rich foods, when produced properly them. but nickels a ton of these that were no longer dependent on these nutrient rich foods to day in
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his cooking shows and lectures, he debunked common misconceptions still is a little damn can one of our products, dont monopolized certain neutral song and we dont need meat. but the minerals and meat i dont need milk and dairy products but the calcium and other nutrients from cheese and milk out we don't need fish. but omega 3 phenomena, dont need eggs and the protein and colin lien either we don't need animal products . we need the nutrients that are in the animal products, and i have heard that the fact is throughout the history of us these, these we've always eaten meat and most of us still find meat. simply delicious. isn't that our body's way of telling us something? yeah. or yes, no, it would be nice of nutritional deficiencies, could be corrected by following or instincts or may not be he's off. we developed a preference for certain foods, for lever. it would be a sign. we needed a couple of vitamins or minerals. i know that under the amino man, i'm in a large long as ellison, but in reality we're actually victims of her own preferences,
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steve to plague because although they're evolutionary and made sense in the past, they don't work in today's conditions falling we, i'm the unborn and if we have an a nate preference for sweet foods too, and why? because a nature, sweet tasting, ripe fruit is a good source of carbohydrates called blood in her brain is carbohydrate hungry for labor. feel that nowadays this preference for quick fix carbohydrates for sweet tastes. is often our undoing indigo, all of us that we eat far too much sweet food on the sale because sugar is a cheap commodity that can be added to everything. and with the same goes for other taste preferences we have resort. and so when people say we should eat more intuitively, i would say no, we should resist, we should use our brains are not trust or good feeling. so marching lastly, data is off in his youtube videos, nickel here in our explains how this can work with our own diets. ultimately, he says a healthy life does not depend on whether we eat animals. what's important is the answer to, to general questions. hello. mines vast in number one asks what nutrients are essential for the survival of the human body?
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what and where can i get them amans out of the other hand. on the other hand, while i'm procuring these essential nutrients, i can ensure that those substances which are bad for my health when excessive are simply not excessively supplied income coming. and if i can ensure these 2 things, the i have an array of dietary options, comp, vegan, vegetarian western pattern, diet high carb, low carb atkinson, kito, genic, whatever, without like, and this is pigeon holing of course. well, but all these options can cover our nutrient requirements correctly. oh, historically we've been dependent on animal products for a very long time and in parts of the world we still are. but today in the global north, we can eat healthily without animal products. eating meat is not a necessity. this leaves the 3rd and normal
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this is sheila said jims in the aust. i'm already in the 7th generation wing from all the farm has been in family hanson's 18. 55 in the popular as it fell, mellum infamy. shall he on bushes he keeps ducks and geese on his thumb and petty gall. how normal you find what he does with them? probably depends on where you are watching this program from. because slowly avo should he is a proud producer of duck liver patty. it's been banned in almost all european countries, including germany in france, however, forgot is part of the national heritage. very low dog. you can give points in different categories for presentation, warm originality, only. she's not at the thought god challenge in paris, culinary talents from all over the country present their creations in front of
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a renown cherry, my mac, using my kitchen as a kitchen of memories. yeah, that's inspired by my father that every christmas he'd serve a dish and on us for a garage with apple. net yes, available for la. although the tradition is increasingly criticized here to people of all generations associate for god with the smell of childhood and the cosy christmas feeling in mediating cultures around the world. people learn to classify a small handful of animals as edible and all the rest they classify as inevitable and often disgusting to consume. and people around the world tend to view their own choices of which animals to consumer, which animals are edible, as rational and the choices of other cultures as irrational and often even offensive. and disgusting. would we consider normal? always depends on what culture we grow up in. and at what time many things we
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reject to day, we're once normal. so no man is he alone is not a useful value. when a behavior is no longer seen as a necessity, then it becomes a choice. and once a behavior becomes a choice rather than a necessity, it takes on an ethical dimension that it didn't have in quite the same way before. the, our typical answers to the question of why we eat meat, sir, for the most part to deflect another uncomfortable question. is it morally right to eat animals? ah, ah,
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