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and close doors is also one of expectation management because this is a process which can take years if not more than a decade. he doesn't brussel correspondent rosie birch. i will have to leave it there. but thank you so much for that. now germany is one of the biggest providers of the aid and weapons to ukraine. and today the defense minister visited ukrainian troops. training on germany made battle tanks in the north west of germany, boris pastorius advice id, ukrainian boxing legend vladimir touch go, and the ukrainian ambassador alone for the visits ukraine's armed forces. being trained to use the left, the 2 tanks as well as mazda infantry fighting vehicles. berlin is leading a coalition of country scrambling to provide ukraine with 2 battalions of left or twos in the coming months. keith says that critical to pushing back russia and d. w political correspond, julius ideally, is out the military training ground in minster and northern germany. julia german
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defense minister has just been missing ukrainian troops being trained on the german leopard tanks. i guess this visit shows just how far germany's position has shifted since the beginning of the war doesn't to yes, definitely. if we look at where we started just a year ago, it is quite a difference that we see compared to then it started with germany committing to the liver, $5000.00 helmets to the ukranian army, and that was seen as laughable. and throughout this last year, we've seen germany's partners ukraine itself, pushing for germany to always commit more. and the starting point was that germany had a standing policy that meant that it would not deliver weapons to countries involved in unarmed conflict. and wow, it has quite been an important change since then we're seeing now the commitment to deliver leopard to tanks, state of the art tanks to ukraine. and this is something that a chancellor,
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all of shots is wanting to push forward with quite some speed right now. and speed of course, being of the essence as a ludmilla. let's get with we said, so when can ukraine actually expect to get the 1st of these gem times during the committed to delivering the 1st 14 leopard to tanks within 3 months. so that would mean by the end of april, but obviously there are logistical challenges. they're getting the tanks to ukraine, but also all the maintenance systems. and there is talk of creating a coordinating center in poland to then be able to deliver german thanks, but also thanks coming from other countries to ukraine. but definitely germany has promised that they will do all they can to get the tanks there as quickly as possible. political correspondent, julia, sadly, thank you so much for that. now the world's largest annual defense gathering,
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the munich security conference has just wrapped up here in germany. t w's. terry schultz was there and she caught up with the us journalist and walter and applebaum the some perspective on how the conflict in ukraine has affected europe. what will be the geopolitical consequences of, of the war on ukraine beyond ukraine? ok. this is a war that has changed europe forever. the assumptions that we had about europe being forever safe about the borders being unchangeable about our laws on human rights and on a conventions on genocide. all those things that we've been taken for granted for so many decades. this is now over. this is a war that moves us into a different era. one in which europe may have to defend itself may have to even begin to produce weapons and ammunition at a much higher rate than it expected. and it will have to, it will eventually end with
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a new set of security guarantees. one way or the other. thinking up, what, what will be the new shape of nato? how will we prevent a war like this from happening in the future, and what will, how are we in specific, specifically, how will we guarantee the security of ukraine? you're a russia watcher. should we have known, should we have seen signs that there could be another shooting war in europe, or is anyone forgiven for not thinking that this kind of war would happening? actually putin made it very clear for a long time that he had aims. on its neighbors. he, he invaded georgia. he invaded ukraine in 2014. and he helped with the invasion of syria, which is not on his borders, but it shows his ambition. we weren't paying attention when he was telling us that he was interested in reconstructing the soviet empire, which you would now call the russian empire. and yes, i'm afraid we are to blame for not listening, not catching the warning signs in a bubble for not thinking about the consequences for ukraine and for nato. and so
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does nato need to now expand and let ukraine, and despite on possibly having crimea not re fried, i mean is this, is this what ukraine needs, and what nato on it, i, the war will the war will. and when russia changes, so the war will, and when the russians conclude that it was a mistake when they understand that the russian empire cannot be reconstructed and that that here is over. um, how we get to that point. there are many different ways. one of the ways will be military vicki from ukraine a there may be also, we may be able to use sanctions. we may eventually be able to use diplomacy. but that will be the way that it changes, and it will have to end in some time with some new security guarantees for the con that i can't tell you what they are now, because i don't know what the, what the state of the world will be next week, or even 6 months from now. so, but, but that is how it will and, and are you on the, are you of the,
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of the position that it's no time for ukraine to talk peace right now that there needs to be more military superiority before anyone should talk to ukraine about discussing this with mom, so right now there is no one to talk to. because bruton has made it clear that his war aims remain the same. his war aim is to conquer ukraine. take key of create a puppet, say. so right now there isn't a conversation to have and there are people trying to have those conversations. so it's not as if no one has thought of it. as i said, the war will end when russia changes went like france, and algeria were like britain and ireland. when russia understands that it is no longer an imperial power. and that the age of empires over and we have to help russia get to that point. and one of the ways we can do it is by helping ukraine take its territory back. thank you very much. thank you. s olsa an awful bounce speaking to d, w that now the war in ukraine has been documented by journalists and photographers
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have captured searing images that have often shopped the world. people fleeing to get as far from the front lines as possible. the massacre of ukrainian civilians in boucher galvanized in national opinion, an early glimpse of the horrors of the war in ukraine. a moment of triumph, the ukraine hitting a crucial russian supply bridge to crimea. but just last month, a reminder of the civilian toll an apartment building hit by a cruise missile, killing dozens, russia invades ukraine, attacking from air, land, and sea. within days, millions of people flood the fighting, leaving everything a maternity hospital hit by a missile. for those who stayed
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behind towns laid to waste people brutalized and killed a steel plant becomes a symbol of resistance, but falls to an overwhelming russian onslaught. moments of pride as ukraine struck back as winter came, a deadly war of attrition set in a year on nowhere in ukraine is truly safe in a war that still has no end in sight. he katerina schulman is a russian political scientist and the robert bush fellow here in berlin. thanks so much for joining us, caterina. can i ask you if you think back a year ago, february the 20th 2022? did you see the war coming?
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and when did you realize that it was actually going to happen? i was one of those among many of my colleagues, political scientists, experts or who did not think a full scale invasion, highly probable. or we were seeing, of course, all the signs that the whole world were seeing, but it must be admitted that we have so much the same thing into $1021.00. also our mil to training that looked much like an old. we build up our escalation of public rhetoric, the corporations of official figures, and then are the meeting in geneva, off the president of united states and russia. so in 2022, it looked very much like a repetition of the same thing. most of our judgments were based on our observations of how russian political system is constructed, what it is able and not able to do. and now a year from the beginning of the war, it must be said that while we have definitely and the risk the made up the
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probability of the invasion which did take place, we have based this assumption on correct observation. a russian political regime is not a military one and it's not very successful. well, let's put it this way. it's much more successful in propaganda. are presenting a show, talking it's own people and external audiences into believing what it wants them in actual warfare or military village. i wanted to ask you that actually, you know, how has president person kept the russian people's generally supportive of this cause of the, the necessity of what has all the seat was in russia being called the spell special military operation. by a number of means by, by no means unknown. so are there are, there we are systems of the world. it's a mixture of our information, a monopoly which is almost complete, repressive measures, and are what i would call social assistant measures, especially to there are poor classes and to are those traders of society which are
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the and, and on the stage, the so called good jake the budgetary worker, so people have hardly an informational alternative. they are terrorized into agreeing at least publicly agreeing with them official point of view. and they have an interest in preserving the status quo to which the all their livelihood. so there's nothing very unnatural in that and we need not look into the for answers into imperial mentality or historical tradition. whatever. i would say that any of the size in the world, in such circumstances, under such constraints would act in much of the same way. now that the year has passed, we may, i think it's you, that at least by this point, what is called to the literary and transformation of society, is not taking place rashly steal this atomized des, politicized society. that it was a year ago, again, surprising as it may seem for an external audience. and if i could ask, you know, every day russians how, how have they said during this year of war?
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well, we certainly have the pulling data, which with all the peculiarities of pulling in and on free society, we cannot do without we can take everything at face value, but we have to watch those markers as well. what we can see for this society in general, the real wake up call was not february 24th, but september 21st. the declaration of mobilization. again, it may sound surprising, but from february to september, i can say most of the people, but many of the people did not realize that anything particular is happening. if you only have it in the evening, use 15 minutes a day, which you watch in your kitchen, or you can hear that. well, there are countries bosses are talking about ukraine. they're always talking about you friend. there's always some sort of special something going on somewhere. and of course our site is winning, so it's nothing much your everyday life has not changed. but when liberalization
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started, that was a different thing. all right, katrina schulman russian political scientists and bush fellow here in berlin. thanks so much for joining us here at dw. i am and you can see the can in a you have been watching d w's special on the war in ukraine as it approaches the one year anniversary of the russian invasion. i'll be back at the top of an hour with more international news, but the gal website, d, w dot com and t w's social media channels in the meantime. thank you so much for watching t w. ah. i see scott is just a thought so crazy. for sometimes
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