8, a pork chop with the other. what is the alternative? and how does it taste? it's like the real thing. yes. will we all be begin in 50 years? i see very, she was strong arguments to keep eating animal a documentary series about the future of food. the great debate this week on t w. 50 dublin years, aisha coming up to date. why china keep supporting russia over ukraine. major is officially impartial on the ukraine war, but its actions suggest otherwise. why does it continue to support moscow? and is there a point where the support could become untenable? ah,

i british manager, welcome to d, w. news, asia, god, you could join us. john, our stop diplomat, one year in moscow meeting russian leaders just days ahead of the one year anniversary of russia invasion of ukraine. one ye held a series of meetings in the backdrop of a war that has rapidly shaped a no limited partnership between moscow and b. jing the latter is now reported to be considering supplying lethal support. went to russia a development that the u. s. has cor front would be a red line. i'm. it's those possibilities. we are looking at a deeper question today. why does china keep supporting russia over ukraine? especially given the china appeals to acknowledge that russia has violated ukraine, stated total integrity. listen to what fall mckuddle in the chinese military. joe boy said to d,

news chief international editor richard walker over the weekend on the sidelines of the munich security conference. while china as a country that he's not fully re united, to certainly even more concerned with this, the over sovereignty. so we are going to how sovereignty matters really be in china or in the rest of the world? talking about this wall. i'm sure mister y me is referring to the law ukraine and in climate clearly i believe this is a violation of a sovereignty of one country by one country. but not that. yeah, this is, this is clear, but i think it china sold this issue, but just, just to go that be the further to the root cause is because you talk about a murder investigation always started from murder. but actually the matter was the plan a long time ago. so because we have some sympathy with russia and knowing

that is upon them. and the reason for russia to take this cognitive made her action is because nato is spanish it. i'll be delving deeper into these sympathies in a moment with an analyst 1st. his more by china continues to merely imply support for russia, but is more explicit when it comes to criticizing the united states. well, i think there is a difference indeed. you know, that's due to devote the united states and russia because we were taken differently by these 2 countries as well. we will take him by as the primary competitor of the united states. and we were taken to your partners by the fire, by russia. so therefore, that you deal with these 2 countries different to china, and we have to consider china is also russia largest neighbor devices. so use this regard to,

we have to have to make sure i'm to our relationship with russia. is a good one, is a stable one. when you look at the china, russia relationship. do not always. you know, from the eyes of a person you, this relationship has to be put into context by natural relationship. but if you look at this from the bad, never relationship there, you would understand, you know, we really need to develop this relationship with russia because we're not your neighbor because both of us have all, what do we need from each other. but so this kind of, we're good relationship should be good and a normal say to say to relationship. yeah, you should not to be, you know, put on the test by other countries that on something that the china has nothing to do, may be the chinese, i sometimes feel it in that now it is, everything seems to be related to china even about this role in the heart of europe,

which has nothing to do with china, but a people would still say which side of you want to take. all your question seems to be indirectly that a chatter should have a clear cut up position. this actually is a kind of time that to take a side and then we have this question, what china would it be? the mediator. this is what i learned this conference. go to china, just that, you know, persuade russia. make you the implants that about that you know what the right you should not do so so, but then it even give people some imagination as to how a similar company might occur in taiwan street. yeah. so all of these things, what i may need, because this has nothing to do with china, but a still it even by to so many people that imagination or discussion about ro over china in the one aspect is a good, this shields,

chinese really powerful job is really important and a china also wants to play this role in a responsible manner. and so more context on this, i'm joined by expert and russia. china relations. really, that's soccer over a 1000001 year on from the start of the ukraine ball are china and russia increasingly on the same side is beijing still as it claims, impartial, noble, the countries are on the same geopolitical page. and in fact, this models we, then your coordination has been in the making over the last 8 to 10 years. so right now what we are observing is the manifestation of it and not the other way around. what is driving this partnership bar this china continued to support russia. well, 1st and foremost a day or are not engaged in a strategic alliance or a marriage of convenience or whatever. western concept you would like to introduce

her to this relationship. it, sir. ah, temporary are symmetrical, our partnership in which china has obviously the upper hand, especially when it comes to trait economy of financial matters and yet, or what unites them is this shared interest, or specifically geopolitical interests in creating a credible counterweight to american global apollo projection. and also a shared interest in undermining co western interests and western influence in relevant international and regional organizations. institutions. a partnership sir, and obviously also relations with 3rd countries around the globe. second, important to the common denominator is to stabilize the eurasian lent mass. that means creating connectivity transport energy corridors are that are on

the alternative to der usaa dominated maritime roots in the, in the pacific to it possible denominator could be o saw a, to facilitate the new maritime line in the arctic are given. the climate change related developments and to russia is obviously the entry ticket to try out for china to the arctic. no, you know, like to look at this are wider china, russia relationship and expand on that. not both countries at all to participate in the military excited together in south africa. and john, as also, as you pointed out, increased purchasers of orland trade from russia. is this relationship headed in tom's or for a new russia, china lead wall order? absolutely. the way they understand the current, sir, let's say transitionary period of the international relations is that the unipolar moment is over. there is this chaotic, her volatile, let's say, ah,

periods in between and nobody knows. of course, what will come next. will it be a multiple clarity or as i argue, actually a bifurcation of the global system centered around a comprehensive fir, the coupling between united states and china. and so once again, we see that a china needs a partner such as russia to booster to bolster, so to say it's a global ah, standing, and rush of course meets our reliable partner such as china, to break the international isolation and all sort tool by pass western sanctions. let's look at how this impact sir, the war in ukraine. the china is explicitly refused to condemn. and now you have information from the united states that says that china could soon supply russia with lethal support. and that this would be a red line. and wondering if you think china is confident it can withstand any

sanctions or any other punitive measures from the west. if this should happen. well 1st and foremost, once again, we are already in dark middle of our comprehensive for the coupling, which is by the way, mutual that means that is steered by boat united states and china. and in fact, what was anticipated to that, you know, as a more china friendly administration under biden, turned out to be a equally um, let's say, um, a controversial in terms of how to tackle chinese sir regional dominance. sir. the most severe military escalation in the south china sea happened actually under biden's administration. so ah, china, a would consider any kind of, i would say measures to support russia because it wants to avoid the tree fronts scenario ah, from happening cur. what do i mean?

a tie, one, military dangers within the in if there is a security and political vacuum in the north of its border. this is a certainly a worst case service in our, from our, from china's point of view. but it won't happen in a and an overt away, i mean, any kind of weapon. so delivery, if that to is going to be the case. not going to be um, you know, um a anniversary case rather than actually happening behind the curtains. you know what, in a little earlier on your doctor murder, i caught a temporary asymmetric partnership between a russia and china. and with that, her having been said, do you believe there is a point at which afford for russia over you grin can become untenable for china. yes, there is such point of china has sir communicated its red line. and in that matter, a chair, sir, the american viewer, namely data the use of nuclear,

a weapons in the war against ukraine is an absolute no go. a 2nd important point is that, of course, eva, this escalation face that we are already observing right now. turns out to be in favorable to all russia, let's say russia once again, experiences military defeats are on the front lines and need to result in a kind of, let's say political reshuffle in the kremlin china akin actually point tweets, constructive role tweets mediate a role and in fact, sites once again with the international community, by turning in spec on russia, the las rather rather unrealistic scenario of course, because as i said from china's point of view a, this kind of 1st system shifts are already happening. or there is this cold war, 2.0 scenario already emerging and to china needs russia to tackle america.

really remember that i'm being always a pleasure talking to really network ra, thanks so much. thank you very much. and that's it for today are on the program on our website, your find more stories on the impact of the ukraine, more on asia, and as ever you can follow us on facebook and twitter with you tomorrow. good bye. ah we're all set to go beyond the obvious citizenship and we're all live as we take on the we're all about the stories that matter to me, whatever it takes to leave, i'm following with

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