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good morning for him, real time on social media, and if its incidents went, or the new digital battle lines being drawn, the propaganda war for ukraine. russia's warring crane one year since the invasion began. we take a look back and into the future in the human slowly. in february on d, w. 50 dublin years, asia coming up to date. why china keep supporting russia over ukraine? major is officially impartial on the ukraine war, but its actions suggest otherwise. why does it continue to support moscow? and is there a point where the support could become untenable? ah,
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i british manager, welcome to d, w. news, asia, god, you could join us. john, our stop diplomat, one year in moscow meeting russian leaders just days ahead of the one year anniversary of russia invasion of ukraine. one ye held a series of meetings in the backdrop of a war that has rapidly shaped a no limited partnership between moscow and b. jing the latter is now reported to be considering supplying lethal support. went to russia a development that the u. s. has cor front would be a red line. i'm. it's those possibilities. we are looking at a deeper question today. why does china keep supporting russia over ukraine? especially given the china appears to acknowledge that russia has violated ukraine's territory integrity. listen to what former cuddle in the chinese military jo bore said to d dub news chief international editor richard walker over the weekend on the
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sidelines of the munich security conference. while china as a country that he's not fully re united, to certainly even more concerned with this, the issue with sovereignty. so we understand how sovereignty matters really be in china or in the rest of the world and talking about this wall. i'm sure mister y me is referring to the law ukraine and climate clearly. i believe this is a violation of a sovereignty of one country by one country. but another. yeah, this is, this is clear, but i think it china sold this issue, but just, just to go that be the further to the root cause is because you talk about a murder investigation always started from murder. but actually the matter was the plan a long time ago. so because we have some sympathy with russia and knowing
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that is upon them. and the reason for russia to take this cognitive made her action is because nato is spanish it. i'll be delving deeper into these sympathies in a moment with an analyst 1st. he has more white. china continues to merely imply support for russia, but is more explicit when it comes to criticizing the united states. well, i think there is a difference indeed. you know, that's due to devote the united states and russia because we were taken differently by these 2 countries as well. we will take him by as the primary competitor of the united states. and we were taken to your partners by the fire, by russia. so therefore, that you deal with these 2 countries different to china, and we have to consider china is also russia largest neighbor devices.
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so use this regard to we have to have to make sure that our relationship with russia is a good one, is a stable one. when you look at the china, russia relationship, do not always judges, you know, from the eyes of a 3rd person. you, this relationship has to be put into context by natural relationship. but if you look at this from the bad, never relationship there, you would understand, you know, we really need to develop this relationship with russia because of what your neighbor, because both of us have all what we need from each other. but so this kind of, we're good relationship should be good and a normal say to say to relationship. yeah, you should not to be put on the test by other countries that on something that the china has nothing to do may be the chinese. i sometimes feel placid in that now it is everything seems to be related to china,
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even about this war in the heart of europe, which has nothing to do with china. but a people would still say which side of you want to take and all your question seems to be indirectly, that a chatter should have a clear cut up position. this actually is a kind of time that to take a side and then we have this question, what china would it be, sir? is the mediator. this is what i learned, that is this conference. good time, it just, you know, persuade russia, make you the implants that, about that you know what the right you should not do so, so both, then it even give people some imagination as to how a similar company might occur in taiwan street. yeah, so all of these things what i may need, because this has nothing to do with china, but a still it even by to so many people that imagination or discussion about ro over china in the one aspect is
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a good this chinese really powerful job is really important and a china also wants to play this role in a responsible manner. and so more context on this, i'm joined by expert in russia. china relations. really, that's like a rove up, really, that one year round from the start of the ukraine ball are china and russia increasingly on the same side, or is beijing still as it claims, impartial? know, both countries are on the same geopolitical page. and in fact, this models we, then your coordination has been in the making over the last 8 to 10 years. so right now what we are observing is the manifestation of it and not the other way around. what is driving this partnership bar this trying to continue to support russia? well, 1st and foremost a day or are not engaged in a strategic alliance or a marriage of convenience or whatever. western concept you would like to introduce
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her to this relationship. it, sir. ah, temporary are symmetrical, our partnership in which china has obviously the upper hand, especially when it comes to trait economy of financial matters and yet, or what unites them is this shared interest or specific that you political interests in creating a credible counterweight to american global a power projection, and also a shared interest in undermining cur weston interests and western influence in relevant international and regional organizations. institutions. a partnership sir, and obviously also relations with 3rd countries around the globe. second, important to the common denominator is to stabilize the eurasian lent mass. that means creating connectivity transport energy corridors that are on the
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alternative to the usaa dominated maritime roots in the, in the pacific to it possible denominator could be also a to facilitate a new maritime line in the arctic or given the climate change related developments . and to rush is obviously the entry ticket to try out for china to the arctic. no, you know, like to look at this are wider china, russia relationship and expand on that. now both countries are all to participate in the military excited together in south africa. and john, as also, as you pointed out, increased purchasers of orland trade from russia. is this relationship headed in tom's or for a new russia, china lead wall order? absolutely. the way they understand the current, sir, let say transitionary period of international relations is that the unipolar moment is over. there is this chaotic, her volatile, let's say, ah,
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periods in between. and nobody knows. of course, what will come next. will it be a multiple clarity or as i argue, actually a bifurcation of the global system centered around a comprehensive fir, the coupling between the united states and a china. and so once again, we see that a china needs a partner such as russia to booster, to bolster, so to say it's a global ah, standing and to rush of course, meets our reliable partner such as china, to break the international isolation and all sort tool by past western sanctions, let's look at how this impact sir, the war in ukraine. the trainers explicitly refused or to condemn, and now you have information from the united states that says that china could soon supply russia with little support. and that this would be a red line. i'm wondering if you think china is convert already in the middle of on
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comprehensive the coupling, which is by the way, mutual, that means that is steered by both united states and china. and in fact, what was anticipated to her that, you know, as a more china friendly administration on, their biden turned out to be an equal li. um, let's say i'm a controversial in terms of how to tackle chinese sir regional dominance. sir. they're most severe, military escalation in the south china sea happened actually under biden's administration. so ah, china, a would consider any kind of, i would say measures to support russia because it, to avoid the tree fronts scenario of from my happening cur. what do i mean? a tie, one, military dangers within the in if there is a security and political vacuum in the north of its border. this is a certainly
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a worse case sir, and are from, from chinese point of view, but it won't happen in a and an avert away. i mean, any kind of weapons. so delivery, if that to is going to be the case, not going to be, ah, you know, i'm a anniversary case rather than actually happening behind the curtains. you know what, in a little earlier on your doctor about a quarter temporary asymmetric partnership between russia and china. and with that, having been said, do you believe there is a point at rit support for russia over you grin can become untenable for china. yes, there is such point. ah, china has sir communicated it's red line. and in debt matter, a chair, sir, the american view, namely data, the use of nuclear weapons in the war against ukraine is an absolute no goal. a 2nd important point is that, of course, eva,
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this escalation face that we are already observing right now, turns out to be in favorable to all russia. let's say russia once again experiences . so military defeats are on the front lines. and it results in a kind of, let's say, political reshuffle in the kremlin, ah, china, akin actually point tweets, constructive role, tweets mediator role. and in fact, sites once again with the international community by turning in spec on russia, a rather rather unrealistic scenario of course, because as i said from china's point of view, it, this kind of 1st system shifts are already happening. or there is this cold war, 2.0 scenario already emerging and to china needs russia to tackle america. really remember that i'm being always a pleasure talking to regina tucker. all right, thanks so much. thank you very much. and that's it for today are on the program on
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