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if the korean american production about to childhood friends meeting in new york after a really long time, it is romantic and touching without being cheesy. fabulous, thank you so much for that update that steve is a reporter and a ship and that's in his update at this hour. coming up next d w. news. asia has more on the visit to moscow by china's top diplomat. one you stay tuned for that or check on our website, dw, dot com for more nits and analysis. i'm clear richardson in berlin. thank you so much for watching. what secrets my behind these will discover new adventures in 360 degrees and explore fascinating world heritage sites with d. w. world heritage. 360 get the app now what making the
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headlines and what's behind the m d w. news africa. this shows that faculty issues shape in the continent. life is slowly getting back to normal. yeah. well, in the streets to give you enough reports on the inside. our correspond that was on the ground reporting from across the continent, all the french stuff, the mazda u. t. w, news, africa every friday on d. w. 50 to up the news asia coming up today. fly china, keep supporting russia, but we're, you've crim beijing is officially impartial on the ukraine war, but it's action suggest otherwise. why does it continue to support moscow? and you said a point where the support could become available. ah,
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i'm british manage, you're welcome to dw news asia. glad you could join us. john, i stopped diplomat one year in moscow meeting russian leaders just days ahead of the one year anniversary of russia. invasion of ukraine. one year held a series of meetings in the backdrop of a war that has rapidly shaped and no limits partnership between moscow and beijing . the latter is not reported to be considering supplying lethal support. he went to russia, a development of the us has cautioned would be a red line. and with those possibilities, we are looking at a deeper question today. why does china keep supporting russia over ukraine? especially given that china appears to acknowledge that russia has violated ukraine, stated total and integrity. listen to what former panel in the chinese military jo
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bull said to d. w. chief international editor richard walker over the weekend on the sidelines of the munich security conference. while china as a country that he's not fully re united to certainly is more concerned with this the show of sovereignty. so we understand how sovereignty matters really be the china or in the rest of the world talking about this wall. i'm sure mister while he is referring to the law ukraine and in climate clearly i believe this is a violation of a sovereignty of one country by one country. but another. yeah, this is, this is clear. but i think china sold on this issue just just to go that be the further to the root cause is because you talk about a murder investigation always started from murder, but actually the matter was the plan a long time ago. so,
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because we have some sympathy with russia and knowing that is upon them and the reason for russia to take this cognitive mater action is because nato expansion. i'll be delving deeper into these sympathies in a moment with an analyst 1st. his more by china continues to merely imply support for russia, but is more explicit when it comes to criticizing the united states. i think there is a difference, indeed. you know, that's due to devote the united states and russia because we were taken differently by these 2 countries as well. we will take him by as the primary competitor of the united states. and we were taken the partners by the fire, by russia. so therefore, that you deal with these 2 countries different to china, and we have to consider china is also russia largest neighbor devices.
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so use this regard to, we have to have to make sure i'm to our relationship with russia. is a good one, is a stable one. when you look at a china, russia relationship, do not always just do, you know, from the eyes of a 3rd person you, this relationship has to be put into context by natural relationship. but if you look at this from the bad, never relationship there, you would understand, you know, we really need to develop this relationship with russia because we're not your neighbor because most of us have all, what do we need from each other. but so this time there were good relationship has to be good and a normal say to say to relationship. yeah, you should not to be, you know, put on the test by other countries that on some things that the child has nothing to do, may be the chinese i sometimes feel flattered in that now it is,
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everything seems to be related to china even about this war you the heart of europe, which has nothing to do with china, but a people would still say which side you want to take. and all your question seems to be indirectly that a chatter should have a clear cut up position. this actually is a kind of time that to take a side and then we have this question whether china would be the mediator. this is what i learned this conference. go to china, just that, you know, persuade russia. make you the implants that about you know what the right you should not do so. so both and then it even give people some imagination as to how a similar company might occur in taiwan street. yeah. so all of these things, what i may need, because this has nothing to do with china, but still it even might to. so when the people that imagination or discussion about
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ro over china, in the one aspect, this is good, this job time is really powerful. job is really important. and a china also wants to play this role in a responsible manner. and so more context on this, i'm joined by expert and russia. china relations. really, that's like a robot really that one year wrong from the start of the ukraine ball are china and russia. increasingly on the same side is beijing still as it claims, impartial? know both the countries are on the same geopolitical page and in fact, this models we, then your coordination has been in the making over the last 8 to 10 years. so right now what we are observing is the manifestation of it and not the other way around. what is driving this partnership? barb is trying to continue to support russia. well, 1st and foremost a day or are not engaged in a strategic alliance or a marriage of convenience or whatever. western concept you would like to introduce
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her to this relationship. it, sir. ah, temporary are symmetrical, our partnership in which china has obviously the upper hand, especially when it comes to trait economy of financial matters and yet, or what unites them is this shared interest or specific geopolitical interests in creating a credible counterweight to american global power projection. and also a shared interest in undermining cur. weston interests and western influence in relevant international and regional organizations. institutions. a partnership sir, and obviously also relations with dirt countries around the globe. second, important to the common denominator is to stabilize the eurasian lent
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mass. that means creating connectivity transport energy corridors are that are on the alternative to do you as a dominated maritime roots in the, in the pacific to it possible denominator could be also a tool facilitate a new maritime line in the arctic are given the climate change related developments and to rush is obviously the entry ticket to try out for china to the arctic. no, you know, like to look at this are wider china, russia relationship and expand on that. now both countries are also participating in military excited together in south africa. and john has also, as you pointed out, increased producers of oral and treated from russia. is this relationship headed in tom's or for a new russia, china lead wall order? absolutely, the way they understand the current, sir, let's say transitionary period of the international relations is that the unipolar
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moment is over. there is this chaotic, her volatile, let's say, ah, periods in between. and nobody knows. of course, what will come next. will it be a multiple larry t, or as i argue, actually a bifurcation of the global system centered around a comprehensive fir, the coupling between united states and china. and so once again, we see that a china needs a partner such as russia to booster, to bolster, so to say it's a global ah, standing, and rush of course meets our reliable partner such as china, to break the international eyes, elation, and all sort tool by past western sanctions, let's look at how this impact sir, the war in ukraine. the china is explicitly refused to condemn. and now you have information from the united states that says that china could soon supply russia with little support. and that this would be
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a red line. i'm wondering if you think china is confident it can withstand any sanctions or any other punitive measures from the west. if this should happen. well 1st and foremost, once again, we are already in the middle of our comprehensive, the coupling which is by the way, mutual that means that is steered by boat united states and china. and in fact, what was anticipated to that, you know, as a more china friendly administration on, their biden turned out to be an equal li. um, let's say i'm a controversial in terms of how to tackle chinese sir regional dominance. sir. they're most severe, military escalation in the south china sea happened actually under biden's administration. so ah, china, a would consider any kind of, i would say measures to support russia because it wants to avoid the tree fronts
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scenario of from happening cur. what do i mean? a tie, one, military dangerous within the, in if there is a security and political vacuum in the north of its border. this is a certainly a worse case sir, in our, from our, from chinese point of view. but it won't happen in a and an avert away. i mean, any kind of weapons. so delivery, if that to is going to be the case, not going to be, ah, you know m a anniversary case rather than actually happening behind the curtains. you know what, in a little earlier on your doctor about a quarter temporary asymmetric partnership between russia and china and with that her having been said, do you believe there is a point at which afford for russia over you grin can become untenable for china. yes, there is such point of china has so communicated it's red line. and in that matter, a chair, sir, the american viewer, namely data,
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the use of nuclear weapons in the war against ukraine is an absolute no goal. a 2nd important point is that, of course, eva, this escalation face that we are already observing right now, turns out to be in favorable to all russia. let's say russia once again, experiences military defeats are on the front lines and need to result in a kind of, let's say political reshuffle in the kremlin china, akin actually point tweets, constructive role, tweets mediator role. and in fact, sites once again with the international community by turning in spec on russia, the las rather rather unrealistic scenario of course, because as i said from china's point of view of this kind of 1st system shifts are already happening. or there is this cold war 2.0 scenario already emerging and to
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china needs russia to tackle america. really roberto, that i'm being always a pleasure talking to over the network. aurora, thanks so much. thank you very much. and that's it for today on the program, on our website, your find more stories on the impact of the ukraine bought on asia. and as ever you can follow us on facebook and twitter with you tomorrow. good bye. with imagine that you're eating a hamburger. and as you're biting into this juicy burger, your dining companion says to you, actually that hamburger is not made from kaos. it's made from golden retriever's
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