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yes, no, i don't know if i should say this on camera or for us, but i kept thinking that i wanted to report their nails to them. they had to execute them like the taliban doing videos on youtube. yellow or yeah, anything. well, i just didn't understand the purpose of this war, and i do agree why you went out what is it meant to a chance to show syllables khaki like we had to decide how to fly vehicles that it was at that time. not many people were risking the drive across the she told their highway because it was under heavy shelling, which is a very simple case. traffic was completely clogged and we felt trapped because it was almost impossible to travel out of the village to keep in. the morning was more around us. there were bangs, but it wasn't clear where the explosions were coming from. where the bomb such as mandated when you're hearing that you don't know where it is and that makes it even more frightening than you safe or in danger. a person's did it. the reason
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papa's kazora's number. yeah, we'll get off that said i should prepare so that as soon as the car arrives, i'll be ready to go on minion wood and the very next day he woke me up and said, get dressed. the cause here, this is why i had 10 or 20 minutes duping most that this just must be, it dawns on you that you're leaving, that you're starting a new life somewhere else. should be another week. i was happy about that when it delivers. mom didn't want me to go at the right. she also understood that it was what's best for me on an up in missouri, the ride. i didn't think about the war much more willing of by years there were more immediate things to consider. but the most like how could i use the toilet as little as possible teaching in the premier of i was stuffing myself with suite to stay distracted cheaper as the north of flood him. this was said union not last. we were separated under 2 buses of the wish,
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i was with the littlest ones on one bus and my husband was with the rest of the children on the other bullet flattens. i was petrified on the drive for the re hello. yeah, we were a moving target. we could be shot in any time. yup. when you eligible. i kept thinking how and if i had been alone, it wouldn't have been half a scary or tomorrow, but my husband and the children. but he said, well, that's another story. him for the home, it was terrifying that we couldn't be on the same bus together near had missed you yeah, i didn't want to leave it re right. managed my bag wasn't so big yard . i packed my clothes in my stuff, toy, my teddy bear for everything i'd need at the stars. if so somehow, nope, i didn't know how long we be gone for. none as long as he can. we either eoc another, as we were led to the buses. luke did you? he said, good bye alice. you're right and we were all sobbing. you had asked for water,
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they're both w, the adults and the children do the fin of work. you thought she'd like thought that good if she was we were crying because we couldn't all leave at the same time. the more local oh she go to they all lived together for a long time by then and we were, we knew each other so well. we were a family in the most in the reason for the basketball, it was after 10 hours on the road, we stopped at a gas station for a bathroom break lea tom did not all the buses had toilets when ours didn't to jamal if we were so relieved when we pulled over for a couple, rubies, but i didn't make it to the bathroom and i was still using deliciously. were there was a loud bang yet. the goals, the airport nearby was being bombed law and it was unbelievably loud or bizarre little, but tom was supposed to some one yelled every one back on the bus now at the boards that are done with watching along with sir. no one had the chance to use the
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bathroom door was a and yes, mr. north fillmore said, little listeners are the, are usually that shows on my business for me then drove all the way to co veil without a single break with the women were your holy shit for a while. we drove through the forest without light, so elevated and wouldn't get was night time pitch black and my heart was pounding and my chest in. that was here. so the most flush of all the little one was asking me the whole time you hurry and did you buy me candy will. johan: and i said i hadn't managed the social band. it's had robbed the gas station meetings. villa dick. the little one kept asking, where are we going? with this summer? we're wellington? i told him wrong. so there on an adventure in our prize at the end is a chocolate tank junior. it will then sir william shackle on the bank. we are never cordova. i didn't get ourselves. i stayed on the buses for racial
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shots were being fired at the gas station thought on. and the people who were outside had to run straight back. if women was out, then we drove on. you will you done my ashton, you don't know. no one said much after that nobody was in the mood manascale. young children were texting their families and friends didn't and we're seeing how they were doing back at home. you want them to act on the green. they cried so we can't on down. yeah, i was doing okay. was agreeable. i could calm myself down or my friends comforted me to school as boil. we weren't sleeping anyway. are my miser miss polly? natasha ideal as i had 1st took. i wanted to stay with her mother. i thought we could wait it out. look at that that it, it kept getting worse and worse and not until it became clear that we had to flee. ah,
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those are simon. i took seeds with me who you are. they are very important. i didn't forget them over the new mosque. i also brought bacon. simon though, just a little bit, a lot of that you put rural, which these are tomato seeds? yes, you said yes. i want to plant on those 2. yeah. is i wanted to plant them at home. i had ordered them online. i don't know. they're supposed to be very good. not to be again easy to take care of. 100, they're called mongolian war tomatoes, and walker crocker sure on, but it was too early in the season to plant tomatoes or so now i'm going to plant them here in germany. gotta go see how that goes. and i don't think tomatoes grow especially well in germany. latasha oh, the one of the cool, what gillis liberated them, you're like a robot to shoot you, which was the, you don't allow yourself to feel anything. the rebels are just none to the pain anymore. they, the only of them were little space to complain about headaches and back aches below . then i realized i've been sitting in
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a bus for 4 days and didn't have any back pain. when will it was here? i didn't feel a thing. was the like, a soldier turned to stone like a gun in the stove, so my mission was to protect the children be to reach our destination. that's it, but i'll just keep going here. ok, yes. nasty of dish lore data. i knew i was headed to an uncle in diesel door. my answer is my own goal was getting there. yeah, i knew it is. well, i wasn't thinking beyond that. you're both up in the mall. i knew i had to eat and sleep and that was it. is so i would have walked there of me being with of this conference of when you didn't law, where did i'm was number the driver needed to rest and we were told we had 9 hours of free time. we're moving to like, oh yes, but i gathered the children and we went to the nearest playground so they can play ball with shelter, which is good. but there was no ball. right? they were kicking around a bottle of me, but then someone threw down a ball from a window, rach egan. and we don't really discuss when we return to the buses. some locals
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were there when that is the most likely lead. understood that we just fled from ukraine. and brought us food, she water cube with everything we needed and all sort of told me it was the national, the buses, according to this little bit more highly upset. by that point, we hardly had any supplies left, but only as new as we were blown away by how unbelievably kind, every one was to have thought for what are they in the full city officials brought us to a school where there were showers, or we could finally clean up the little when the violet who had been sitting in their diapers for days while the shape in wait, wondering if that was desperately needed. we live up on the like the most wonderful shirts. dylan g kimberly's, 5th year to polish women, helped me northerners for me. unfortunately, i can't remember their name to say since it, while it was the boy, it was like an assembly line as the words that i were addressing, washing addressing again, which we had very little time with was himself off the door was something we were told. everyone back on the bus as i get home, we were telling them all on the way it all happened so quickly loose that i before
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we had to keep going was unable and that she yet bear with me get a minute or those 1st couple of days in germany, all i did was sleep mode that i'm doing. i slept there on the couch. he was the was so quiet. she both through quiet actually when you persevere, it was a bit unnerving so that you would have bill sir on a spot at 1st. i couldn't fall asleep, but then suddenly i was out and we'll get through skim snow. i slept like the dead . you're not doing? well. yeah, i woke up in the exact same position i had fallen asleep in boy. it wasn't my whole body ached, thought i didn't even care newburgh was focusing on on coloma, but one is the that when we arrived in fryeburg it was sunny and bright williard got it felt like we were stepping into a parallel world to propose a world where people aren't fearful this eventually we are where they just go about their day to day lives, meeting up for coffee shopping,
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picking up their children in. they only get glimpses of what's happening to our people from the news, the winnings, while you're all tensed up and everyone around you is relaxed, which is the monster, the reciprocal of what i did. you posted a flood in april scheduled and my missions are though glibly hor some one had told you 2 months earlier than i would leave you crazy and come to germany here is ground. i would have said that's ridiculous online your sister. i thought i wouldn't go abroad until i was older and independent living at the end. you wouldn't if i didn't think i would ever need to know foreign languages go to college to renew it in so many more than that to them. so it feels vantage the few ever since the 24th of february, i've been fully devoted to aiding the civilians who fled as well as those who stayed in ukraine hill for, for do through the phone kong formulas onto team. they'll kind of wounds on our organization was among the 1st to green people. you mentioned the fan hadn't or,
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and thus far there was a saturday, 2 weeks ago. rotten. that's fine. hope for can we gave them food, had care packages and drinks it. williams middle fells off mid cape are good midwest, still drinking. and then people came by to donate on fish pen on this incomplete, stayed when they saw how overwhelmed we were, we couldn't mid didn't been again. and we couldn't manage the world with the few members of the organization that when the exterminator on this incomplete and people volunteered to help us. and have been with us ever since. the by yesterday duncan shabby, she was at western, she was at my 1st thought is worth. why have to do something? come, i can't do much, but i can help and carnage on own for oh, is shobit. so fairly closely, natalie at 5 discovered as i janet look and under there was a center for refugee 8 workers at the train station and bon of on each been and for
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her. so and i've been going there ever since. and them beforehand on said they've been sh doors yet. and part of in the gym every day. when i see these people in that on just specially the children and the elderly people, all different ages does exist. you know, these are faces. i'll never forget to look into for this country. laugh i haven't been able to sleep since then all the year. these people to day in the 21st century . they aren't fleeing the nazis. they're playing the russians also. i still can't wrap my head around that. immanuel good people lemonade to please who for me and this isn't playing out 1000 kilometers away from your at your school. it's happening here when my heart in my very consciousness, my jewish i was born in lieu hans where my mother lives. yeah, she's 81. my mother in law is there too. she 78. sure to so it is our elderly
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people and i'm extremely worried about them. this from their age was one thing. good. but now there's this to dish than the explosions we hear about constantly on the news. these they actually, they've been going on in that area since 2014. my mother came under fire once and if a passer by hadn't pulled her into the entrance of a building and then into a bomb shelter. who knows if she would have survived in his level of illness is with the will. one shop for a bunch of wool and ok. i have relatives in both ukraine and russia. english. mia? i believe i have the right to speak my mind. and micah, i was born in ukraine as well. the soviet union, naturalists. i english like most of us yet. to noon, so we did my son from once. you didn't differentiate who was ukranian, who was russian for a nice will sort of over us. it was one in the saying, i just saw it was one country and that's and one nation, so to speak to god it didn't matter the size, it's been i english can me. this is all to say, i can't really take sides,
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but still i do have an opinion on the subject. no hobbies and i wish them to minorities and conflict. this is, i know, but i mean to telpa, this is a military operation to protect the people in that don't last regions. again, that's how i see, i know presumably my know and i agree. 100 percent of the attention of the russian government woods and president vladimir putin put inch to which one of what's in your mind escaped down the steep crane that comes down to the fact that ukraine itself has been shelling the dumbass region since 2014 mentioned people there have been sitting in cellar since 2014 killers like people are sitting in sellers. now that putin took action. who put in, i negative, not mine, of mine or not. in my opinion. what's happening now is a direct consequences of what was started in 2014. when this young misburg drives that were those who can't grasp them until they have to go back and consider all the facts to understand what brought us here in the 1st place. as good kind of issue, of course, there's no justification for and i warn this world, how did you have as the question was that what did the western world do on this is
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what did germany do to prevent this war from happening to the forgotten? what did they do, but even blah blah, all they did was taught our law, blah, blah, which i just up. why didn't they contaminate us? were about maybe things would have gone better if they took a real standard instead of being wishy washy and going with the tiles and vince and sending weapons helmets and so on from that's the stupidest thing of all. there is other good. how can you deliver weapons to a war zone for you on the phone? should meet you. this indeed are me. there is no gray area here. hope to get the shots on this as black and white. i'm due to crystal clear, the baton again. that's my personal opinion. aggress. russia is the aggressor and they are killing people. major civilians just don't say the least. my country, people awfully at the brooklyn beast. this is a fratricidal war, which is a conflict between brother to send you money from the history of mankind begins with murder. one brother kills the other,
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and cain kills able they shared blood were both men and yet for the murder happened anyway. why to the pot? so because their spirits were difference in the world when there's a spiritual division shmoop, that's when conflict breaks out when that's how it is. the question of ukraine sovereignty and so on, that's not for me to weigh in on the decision i want. he's, there's that, so what form that takes, whether it's democratic or an artist of the political form is not as important. would me that's not what drives me to look at the clergy grapples with other questions. we have our side set on the bread of eternity. the eternal truth. do you understand is alicia what he preached in appeal to jesus. the more people who turn to him, the swifter this conflict will come to an ends. it's jim wilson. we do do booth the brochure took off his switch and with this ghostly look which it's as good on the ma croucher grown, this is about basic democratic lawyers are gets on and on the other side,
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unless it's about other values that aren't democratic in east indian not in the western democratic liberal sense cmo crowds actually bit iron. this conflict comes down to values. as gave them, it doesn't matter if someone is russian or ukrainian affinity god by morals, i ukrainian can take russia's side, i'll come and in van later, there are quite a few who say what's happening is right of thank you. muffin, wrote the ocarina had fish full 8 years ago. ukraine opted for free democratic world. china fry. hi alicia. democrat, the chavez. those into these are values that we hold dear. her shirts that hadn't tis here many of us who are born into this world, take them for granted that she lives from that. now we've come to realize this world as a fragile one. they're not just killing people, but they're killing democracy. they're killing freedom. mentioned he took democrats, he did to it, and i had is a status of all can in this state, isn't
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a democratic one in your vote, feel a bit many people think of it as democratic, but it's not honest as this. and it's a corrupt oligarchy. in quote, i don't understand why people think ukraine is better than russia dimension, then it's not worse by any means on robots, better bestsellers between so as this message option, there is no difference except it has its own territory and says, so this is our territories. also don't interfere with hulu. mark was that otherwise there's no different aspect on its own. so it may look like a democracy from the outside, according to the constitution in the for, but it's not democrat, is it's corruptible and detrimental to its peoples is corrupt on the system as well . the last government author at any rate and try to refer boys to means the let's mitigate of info. as is emma not still no reason for russia to invade ukraine. i'm fed says him on. it's still not a reason for russians to kill ukrainian or russian or crated or treated as this kid is not a reason to attack and bomb. a sovereign state i'm filed on to bomb as
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kit. there's just no explanation. when can it can't be reasoned by saying, oligarchy or corruption else? commerce is yes, there's work to be done, but we're getting there. i will eventually clock him in the url. ski bar, these are russian guys that just marched into crane weapons in hand. are yellow. you'd be, whoops, oh, who grants you where you live? the shack killing soldiers who are defending their country. bullshit, buzaneli murdering civilians. oh sir woodyear, which it's total madness. you've had a great heroic act these days to openly opposed the regime in russia. unmarried that the one single editor of a news broadcast entered the frame for 5 seconds while holding a placard is they are lying to you here as you saw it on my way but away know that she was talking about the wall. it wasn't important sequel they online teasley, her uses 5 2nd it's,
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it's up to each individual we have to hammer that into our brains. is that i know the most grunting is in the, in the us, that one protest or who walked into the shot on channel one young isms of i that i found it absurd from the so exactly from dish. literally it says for me, i didn't think it was courageous. it was ridiculous so much. it's not heroism that him of it stupid. he must see. it was a boldness why his freedom equated to what is forbidden by her to redeem us that c o y isn't freedom associated with living in peace and doing your own thing. mother, why do you always have to be politically active and demonstrate against something? it was specially in russia, sonnus in rosalyn at so much and she now had the people in china wouldn't have dared to say anything against it. there was much thing out. it's a 1000 times stricter there than it is in russia, although not carry out me. russia is a 1000 times for your than china, or north korea. massage it was can, you should fight for something if you know your, when this is a folk that marcelli were in the blue genia silently observing
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a crime towns witnesses into accomplices. jessica, what sobs the glad is essentially the philosophy behind russia's criminality. bestowed monsieur. oh, skin that sir louis as russian citizens. we've all enjoyed some slice of happiness that were taken from the high. i thought on them some in the form of a small or larger car doors, others with their wages as security guard at the supermarket, or in a chance to take home expired groceries. oh, the curate? yes sir. no other said sir, thus cranium, there were bra solutions for the teacher who tampered with election results at polling station issue. a load is with that because in exchange she'd get money with them to arrange her classroom was with them and pay for new toy ross was still here . are you that i'm new years? i mean, on you those of what we've seen together, we have created her mom. i have to pull myself together. we'll give you several go
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. well, you letting me vladimir of each putin would and he's created us, is deal sickness, e c shells. and it's dishonest to now shift the blame squarely on putin best shiffler. every person, every single one, including me here, who has a russian passport was catalyzed this war as is, it is killing people. you'd be when we, every one. gradually, myself included here. it is been you shintoist, i'm not disappointed in russia and felt betrayed, just painful, directly, bitter. it's terribly painful, high that most of my country people just don't understand how horrific more is i am, factory dishonored, especially people who experienced the 2nd world war as children in the desert under again, that john does was just right from their memory on entry. does you haven't canadian,
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a man, whether he isn't lumiere, such as the cellular cm's, kazama, if people could hear me and russia us in the video, i'd say star bethany, do stop the killing. stop murdering ukrainians. look at what you're doing. think you're closer, bashful, regulate you. you're destroying a country that you had no part in building the summer theater. mr. this was an independent country, living harmony, thriving rosario toshiba roshi. this country posed no threat to russia or velario saw the other school. it was doing its own thing may just be just argued, jeff, you could gradually lose the krinski flaw if every single russian sit out and what a hang a ukrainian flag in their window looked at. every single was dual credit for flow of then this government would collapse under the weight of ukrainian flags in russian windows allow for was, seems as the flux is, laws that we visit globally can't be that difficult to display a flag emitter,
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draw it on a piece of paper with crayons to wear a blue skirt with a yellow sweater. you see any one can do. razzles was with godaddy. i did the right analite, seek of log of me, how many flags are hanging in russian windows right now. so how many? the 35 are, was it on any more level? well, what do you, why then, ready to is a business focus. men are men of familiar bookman and kim st. petersburg. that's where my family is. my child, my apartments, my summer house, my cat, my friends in throne describes them. you have to understand human for a person like me living in russia and will fund everything you do can lead to of mine. i listened to mar custodial sentence or jail, anna, go to that are for enough for i heard for food or whatever. if you think you, there's no question come even with what i say now, can be used against me,
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mrs. gifford. this is their good fear, this is very dangerous to do something or if been and i'm not the type of person to take that kind of rest over him. issues with wish to go and you are for me it's more important to be there for other suits and you moved to support them to let them talk. roads mirror furinora with them on the day where there were demonstrations in the front. we met at home and sat together before from the house . we're a big community of all sorts of different people and grocer, communications, artists to sort of ordinary people to borrow her. i'm for her lawyer that you come together. if you sit together, you talk, we support one another. i understood so from gainesville figure, yep. icu or su for those of wilson, my left russia because i realized i couldn't be surrounded by people who had become strangers to me. you'd ye. yeah, the new resolve. it's in 2014. when i left russia my life was still fairly comfortable. which does where lose?
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sure. i didn't leave because i was pressured to i cyclic of all threatened door put on trial is rolled me but the most them. yeah. they the leo, this is how we phrased it at the time. sure. here we are leaving for hi, gina greens, l zillow, but the most the we felt very uncomfortable from real infectious movies room is denisia ski. sabra, we were seeing pure joy lighting up people's faces and forecast had stolen a piece of lad. crimea shift from their neighboring state at the washburn year. i can't believe or so sidney august. lassitude to do was to where was this attitude of? yes we did earlier, there psychologically, i just couldn't bear his lawyer to, but she felt you just can you was was a little over them with her you. so this is good. came and broken. there are no forecasts. it's just no certainty of what will happen. one day to the next to you, but for there's only the conviction that you should stay or you should go. so it's a decision that comes from within the really obvious,
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it's not going to be good in the what, how bad will it get? that's hard to say in the zone versus unclear as it is, i'm afraid of the fact that my own future in russia, in a position where i had envisioned being in spite of everything, no longer exists, a limb, nice nexus to you. this is a self centered view for sure that i can't live my life the way i had imagined. understood companies leave missouri not all to let to draw a red line. you really, i'm scared to do that on the floor. i don't wanted to find that in is from will you this sincere ross does is my eyes. do you know what my greatest wish mine is that i'd love to take my grandson to moscow in mid alley bryce. i'd love to go with all 3 of my grandchildren guns and proudly show them around or is it for fostered sag avenue yet not now? not during this war. medically cash sundin is. she didn't east. i don't
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want to visit moscow school as long as my country people are living under this regime that would be diesel, diesel, gillen, or leave me to call, no rush to talk to them. this is a blood feud that will last a long, long time. think about in, you know, i, i don't think things will ever be the same when a through war is terrible. that's why we can't let it take root inside our hearts we. we can't allow that division with those dylan lambert, i dreamed that we come soon returned to ukraine. no woodson and one on that all as well. and were together once again, she is alive and healthy. yet alicia, which is the way i want to return to ukraine to. it's our home, but i'm still in the country, not just alive. there's even if it's broken in pieces animal. i believe that
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together we will manage to rebuild. i want peace in calm, more than anything. additionally, freedom, peace, and a little freedom. the clouds are, you need to be happy weekly. so my know, fortunately, my vision for the world is to get rid of all borders to have just one nation recall human kind dimensions. that's my idea to put an end to all these conflict. i've often get that and i'm very worried. i want you crane to stay how we can 5 firmly believe ukraine will be free. i have yet. the, the prostate, you shy dream of the simple things. i don't know how to go to odessa to the film festival be if it radius will dummy. now to go to that cafe with my mom, but you thumps mom. we are what he called again for. go for
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criminal to moses and fled the most delicious cherry competition with the coil, which has something along those lines include, mean, or not peace or anything. i just want to eat cold cherry compound with my mom in odessa one which food readies that one being young. which of sure though, i'd give almost anything to just hang out with my friends. what will be back in school, a bar even go to class your ear berlin? no. what duncan, we somehow don't appreciate what we have until it's gone with them, with socks at the, but i thought maybe that's the beauty of life, you know, figuring out what's most important, that you've been doing everything you can to hold onto it. no ideal awesome guy. dream of honish law. no, i picture going outside with a cup of tea or coffee, coffee or the chickens come up to the door and ask for bread. what jolla twitter? but i said cats running round. the chickens are chasing.

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