redemption on flags is fault, the war isn't and i can mind them showing or to like it's a bullets from, from the gun and something like that. and this is a terrifying head is cabbage is helping by organizing training camps for kids and ukraine, which provide a welcome distraction from daily life in teach the children about friendship and respect. i'm hope is that kids are good and keep their legs a smile, a like having fun's enjoying sports. his cabbage wants to help this generation have a bright future despite the ongoing war. oh, who do i blow? ukrainian high jumper ers lava. my who chick has one, plenty of metals, including bronze at the 2020 summer lympics. when russia invaded, she was forced to flee ukraine and ultimately found refuge here in germany. it's

been a year of horror for years, love a man who chic after russia invaded ukraine. she was forced to flee the city of ne pro. but she's managed to channel her pain into her sport. it was m was name sometimes, sir. i crying really in the room up because i'm so mr. gone for bud to in sports or it gives me zap my per cell best in brazil say jump to 05 and in sport korea, it was fantastic here representing ukraine. no has extra significance, often sporting blue and yellow eileen or during competition. she speaks openly when asked about the war back home. oh, she believes that as long as the war goes on, russian and bell origin athletes should stay bond from competition. crenan as le sent ukrainian sportsman we'll do ever sing, is it possible said sir bella lewis and russian estimates and sportsmen did ember i

was so happy because i come back to hallmark from 10 months. i haven't been at home . i haven't seen my father. my friends, my grand mazda, i go to the c. c, smiling because i'm at home. really, aunt i needed because of some my mind to, to give me energy because they're hollow, sent to be at home. it's the best way to recover. who chick is aiming for a podium finish at the paris olympics in 2024? by which time she hopes the war is coming up next. and there's plenty more in our website to go through, talk on, on our social media against. i'll see you very soon. ah, a year after russia invaded to ukraine, it has seen serious setbacks. ukraine is holding on,

but the price is high. many subsist in a landscape of craters and ruins. thousands of ukrainian civilians have been murdered women rate children deported. over 8000000 refugees have spread across europe. more than half of them seek attracted conflict and ongoing sacrifice. so we're asking ukraine one year on war without end were without a winner. ah . hello and welcome to to the point. it is a pleasure to greet our guests. alex say you super heads, the russian program at germany is free to reach a badge if don't. marcos kime is a senior fellow in the security policy division at the and thank you, let me begin by asking you what's uppermost in your mind as we mark this 1st

anniversary of the russian invasion. i am very worried as a ukrainian up. i am just worried that the suffering is going to continue and that, ah, there will not be enough help in order to counter further aggression coming from russia. and there are people who are saying ukraine will when it's inevitable. and i know that it sounds very good, but it's too early to say that because nobody showed up that morning and, and heard that in fact it was happening. i expected it when at the press conference with the all of choice 14 mentioned the word genocide. for me it was clear that something was wrong and combined with the, with the troops on the border. i, you know, it's like an a one plus 2. i was able to calculate it, but being

a ukrainian i did not did not want to accept the reality. and i was hoping that i was wrong. so on the did a seminar, i just, i just, it was on line. so i, i could crawl on the couch and i, i found myself on the couch crying for hours shaking. ah, and thinking about the black hole that has torn itself all pen. it's a black hole to the worst of human atrocities that we can imagine. it's a, it's a gateway to the worst things a human being can commit in this world. and i felt all that at that moment without really knowing what was going to happen. alex, a letting me put in has claimed from the outset that he launched this invasion in, in order to unite ukrainians and russians. who are a single people hazard showing that people who identified himself as ukrainian politically have been increasing steadily over the last years. but after their

aggression their way up, the 90 percent lions, and so let him have wouldn't actually, even if there was any question, i don't think there was any question about the existence of ukrainian nation which is completely separate from the russian one. but even if there was a chance to boys this question about which has ended this discussion, yes, put a big, fat dog and said well, the, that he was economically gave them a very clear emotional stimulus to understand themselves as ukrainians and the not as but on the russia, if i listen to some of the sound bites that we heard from people leaving the big celebratory concert that was held this week in moscow. russians. they seem to believe at the continue to believe the propaganda about being one. when people, the one thing we need to understand about the russian state propaganda is that it operates on a very smart mode of conduct. and this is the big difference to the dictatorship of the 20th century. we're used to having an authoritarian regime at defiance and fur

high pro capitalists, in american imperialism. if you are a russian chauvinist then this is your sound bite of saying, look, finally that people's off kiva roofs i reunited on the leash of moscow. if you're a person who tends to think and geopolitical terms, it's, you don't really care about ukraine. it's about rebirth of russia is a superpower. if you're an esoteric person, you will have other arguments again. so what we see in the tv is just one offer to keep a certain percentage of the russian population satisfied all of the things contradict each other. that's not a problem. this is made on purpose. marcus, and let's switch to the west. how would you say that the war has changed if at all europe, the u. s. germany, and what i found most interesting and to be honest, most surprising, was last year, the clear commitment of the united states for european security. they have returned as

a last provider of european security. i mean return is not the problem. they have not been told in the way, but i mean, we have to keep in mind what happened the key signals of the 1st year, the foreign policy of the by mistake, the 1st sign or the 1st paradigm to put it this way was all priorities. the in the pacific, it's about atlanta, china and the 2nd paradigm to put it was u. s. foreign policy for the middle class. so really be expected that united states will play a role would follow this commitment regarding european security. and i mean, it's quite substantial to thought $20000.00 sort of having, we've deployed more to europe as far as the $80000000000.00 of health for the ukraine. a in front of a military. this is quite something. let me just ask you to look at the other side . now, europe, germany has a also been changed in a way and

a complimentary way. i think, i mean in particular, germany has since 196 is always been torn with the security policy between the european orientation and for european in europe. and the european union has never minute, despite all efforts to develop into credible effective security ride in europe. and therefore, what i see is the trans atlantic gift of german trying to figure out the defense policy, which i never would have expected that i cannot remember for the last, let's say 2030 years. and we're going to it later on a bit deeper into whether that can last. let us 1st, however, look at the high price that ukraine has paid over the past year. villages and cities have been reduced to ash and rubble. thousands of civilians have been wounded or killed, millions displaced and yet many go on trying to preserve a semblance of normality. a kindergarten movement is moving from you. i know

there's a chance i might die to last night, a shelf flew into my garden. all the windows were blown out like a bullet wound to my house this morning. it could have hit me in the head issue room. i live in the room with no water, no light, we need pv, it's essential, with sirens and keys more. it's part of everyday life even far away. but there's been so many alarm since september. so they've gotten used to this kind of school with laurie took heroes things the crowd war is also pervasive in this club. and keith with this is the link between war and peaceful life. it allows us to switch off for a moment and remember what life was like before war and what it would be like after our victory. what is the war doing to ukrainian society?

and let me pass that question straight over to the senior. what are you hearing from friends and family in ukraine? what is the war doing to ukrainian society? ah, many people from, you know, attacks even because the sirens sound so often that sometimes they just want to go on with, you know, whatever daily business they have. because they say i have a list of things to do to day, or they cannot really continue their work because there was no electricity. there is no light. so they can not give classes on line. they cannot make phone calls over, you know, messengers and won. so some of them are, is try to escape in, you know, whoever can work and escape into their work and, and just continue as if it were a normal life, you know, going to sports, doing man cures or, you know, but of course you can see that all the people want,

it's a common desire for any anniversary for any birthday, any new year. the only thing people wish is for it to have peace, but they don't want peace at any price. they say we want this to be over with a victory. that would be ours. alexi, let me return to put ins, claim that the war is about uniting to people how much compassion do separation of their informational spaces and realms. it's very hard for even if you're interested, if you are politicized russian citizen, maybe even critical of the government of the regime. it's very hard for you to come by, um, and to get access to the same informational stream as we consume here. a good example is if you say the word boucher, every one knows in germany in ukraine, obviously. but also in europe ever known winners and where there were crimes. exactly in the whole world. exactly. so it's clear, it's connected to the atrocities, but the russian troops,

the pictures are there and so on. if you say the word butcher and russia, it's not that people, some people would deny anything happen, but many people just say and doesn't really ring a bell. that was something, but i'm not sure. and this shows you that the informational space and the agenda is controlled by the russian government incomplete a different way. and when it comes to compassion, there are even people in russia who would say that they have a lot of compassion with ukraine. but, and i'm coming back to this bu, fee of propaganda narratives. one of them is that this is a defense war. it's a defensive corporate big politic and saying it's bad people are suffering. but this is what war means and it had to be done. so it's hot, it's very important to see why actual looking at their societies very fragmented. ah, there is no access to free information. and in general, there is also this idea that it's about politics and between people will come by. and so fortunately, we don't see a genuine societal into ukrainian sentiment among normal population. yet it might

come because the government might want to start to fuel it. but at the moment, i wouldn't say this was the case senior m dot m, you're putting recently, but constantly refers to russia within its historic borders. that being one of his rationale for the invasion is, is this war ultimately, perhaps more about russian imperialism? what, what is he talking about when he refers to the russian empire? or what is he talking about when he says that ukraine is ruled by nazis? you know, one of the favorite narratives of russian propaganda. ah, of course, it has no, no real claims because ukraine has its borders. ukraine is a sovereign independent state that has had his borders since 1991. and ukraine also gave up their power to protect themselves, to gain the sovereignty when they are wait, the injured just gave up their nuclear weapons. so you cream sacrifice

a lot for the independence. ukraine, of course, had it's, you know, phase is as a young state, but ukraine has always since then been a sovereign independent state with its own path, with its own ambitions and so on. so of course, these claims mean nothing. marcus, it's not only you go to russia that has been accused of reverting to imperialist stereotypes. in fact, germany's hesitation and ambivalence that it has shown at various times over the past year in terms of supporting ukraine has been very fiercely criticized by some as a whole. to over of german imperialist or neo colonial attitudes. i, it has nothing to do was imperialism. i think it has to do more with realism and get used to the i think we have seen the signs of, let's say, 10 years, emerging in emerging new world, all are characterized by multiple,

multiple charity and view policy through politics. and some european partners have realized this way before us think of poland, the baltic states, ukraine and other countries as well. and so, so many is simply trusting to this new reality. and one that is true is that the speed of a certain political paradigms of comb with forensic orators would hold true for 30 years have gone out of the window for example, that you can only create your frontier security together with rock. i know it would clear this any more, those words creating or sustaining european security with old russell against russia. and this is one only one example for this. that's called a paradigm shift or foreign and security policy of germany is in urban with all the suffering and the existential danger that ukrainians face. do they still have the

energy and the will to tackle challenges like corruption, like the essentially re stewing and restoring and renewing political institutions, which clearly would be prerequisites for them ever to be admitted to the you exactly, and i would say absolutely because ah, one thing is you know that any that you could die, and this is the reality that you koreans are living in. nobody is safe. you can die any time any day anywhere, if you are with the future. and that european union gave them this new perspective something to look forward to. and of course the prerequisites are very tough and they have to be completed in order even, you know, for the, for ukraine to be revised as a candidate. so they're very determined and i think there is a lot of not only the politicians who have to deliver because they will be as by, by their european counterparts or that you counterparts. but this societal pressure

is growing because the society really wants to see the results and they want to be part of the you and they want to have negotiations even within this year. so, being that the unpleasant truth is that for an, a talk receiver like russia is, it's quite a pleasant mode of conduct to be in a war in a limited war. because you know your opposition, your dissidents are either in jail or frightened or out of the country. you have this whole mobilization narrative saying, look, this is an existential thing. let's pull together all forces under the same time. the elite, all hain't an image of the future where there is no end to this war. this is where we'd really guess, or william, this hasn't been the case last year, but if you listen to him, she doesn't mention any war goals. she just say, she just says the economy will be stable, that will help the teachers will have the refugees. there will be additional leave for the soldiers coming back. all the small instruments saying, don't worry about the big picture. life will be good without spelling out houses

were ends and this means his hold empowers actually quite good. let's dive deeper on that very point. both putting and joe biden took the approaching anniversary of the russian invasion to send some key messages and prepare their listeners for protracted conflict. at deviousness the responsibility for the ukraine conflict, al hort's escalations and for the rising number of victims lie solely with the western leafy and with a current regime in chief to which the ukrainian people are basically strangers. did you usually one year on a one year end of his war pool? no longer doubts the strength of our goal isn't but he still doubts our conviction . he does our staying power, but there should be no doubt or support you for grey will not waver. naida will not be divided and we will not tire. let me go straight to america and ask you about the at the end of that statement for next election. what

do you think will that happen? not the election will will the support waiver? i think it's, it's fair to say that the war has entered in new faith or is about 20 new faith. we see earth and loud or voices, or voices in the earth becoming more vocal about and not supporting the ukraine indefinite the. we see in chinese efforts maybe not to end the war, but to provide some kind of with the anson and i wouldn't bet on the political landscape in europe. i mean, we have elections in next couple of years or month and years and the road european countries. and so far the immediate effects of the war and european economies have been quite mitigated. therefore, i could imagine the scenario 2 years from now and with the support for ukraine will be waning. and bidwell go,

clint totally the picture. alex xavier put in in his speech, appeared to be offering material incentives to rush and to keep the conscripts coming. what effect do you think that will have? is he essentially buying our families who sacrifice their sense? he does, but you also have to see the russian economy has down the war and this is another unpleasant truth, a war as a social elevator. it gives people opportunities to earn money and to advance at least in their minds of their material well being for their families. so it's not necessarily just buying or families where grieving it's actually offering. so people are we out of their material situation and this is unpleasant, but this is the case. the m, it's often said that who wins award depends very much on hearts and minds. so you're telling us that russian hearts and minds are still absolutely, with putin in this war. that's what i'm saying. but most of the russians,

most of the russians are not for this war and for put in, but most of the river does the speech that we heard that clip from in poland after having made a very unusual, astonishing trip to key of in fact, the 1st time in memory that an american president has travelled to an active ward zone, where there are no us soldiers to support him. how much did that mean to people in ukraine? how much do they believe that western support will remain with them? well they have no choice. of course it was, i think it was very encouraging to see him because he, he also risked his life because he was there. of course there are shelters everywhere where kid he could have been, you know, her work. he could have been hiding, but he didn't want that. obviously, i anyone into the game. but you agree and simply have no choice. they have to keep negotiating, keep cooperating with the west in order to get what they need. in order to get

enough to stop this, our title asked a war without end war, without a winner. how well prepared are ukrainians for this situation to continue? if the west stands with them? and if china doesn't start sending weapons to russia, as the speculations are, then there is a good chance that ukraine would close this black with ah, ah

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