ice which every de ukrainians killed by russians on our own soil. in our own homes, our women and children were controversial. it can be, we have all moral right to defend ourselves with everything we can if you will be checked on the street by somebody. and if you will have a stone lying on the just under your legs, will you take it and use it to save your life? and oh, it's controversial to you stolen on the street. i think it's after it's at families on our land and russia committed, genocide against ukrainians and our occupied territories that were sad. kamala harris yesterday said about thousands of ukrainian children, which are taken from their families and sent to russia to make from ukrainian children rations. what more awful walk crime can be. i'm not speaking about rape and murder is. and what is everybody knows? so i don't agree with you that there is some controversy. we have the right, you ridiculous,

we have the right moral. but that was not the most important in our shopping list. the most important was long range missiles at tech. and 1st of all, for high nurses by you and you're going to get us. ah, no, we don't have these as a clear promise. we're here. there are discussions, but still no decision. what if i say, what about fighter aircraft? again? there is no decision to deliver them to deliver these weaponry to grain. but we need to train people to operate in them. and the process reaches the next that yesterday, answering my question, we start the process. now. you talked about the west and it's exaggerated fears about russian escalation. why, of the sea is exaggerated. new of, you know, it's not about exists about russian escalation. there is a fear that russian defeats on the battlefield will lead to collapse the fresh and for duration and then boot demand challenges. why is that exaggerated?

it occurred quickly to the collapse good, and there will be bit challenges who control and destruction rep? henry? what will be in russia, maybe bloodshed will be and say, what will be not caucasus, but the problem is that 2 day challenge is bigger. so the russian empire, life, russian empire is much more dangerous than what will be after collapse. yeah, there will be a lot of problems after collapse, but it's better. it's the same. always soviet union. it would have to do. so get, you know, just imagine what would be it would be not old daughter in many places. the west is also talked about the danger of nuclear escalation by russia. you think that's exaggerated to know. i think that it is a legitimate concern, but it's not to ukrainians. it's not for us to do something with this. what is the difference for grain and how to be killed by the valid from russian soldier, by nukes, by, i don't know chemical weaponry by missile fallen and all has already drone for us no difference. but the world should stop putting in this to prevent it. and i see

that there are very important signals yesterday also that here in munich, we're speech of van e. who is their lead had of the chinese. yeah. nice external. is that? yeah, absolutely. excellent. yeah, and oh, he's not an expert. you. the main guy is the policy guy, he's a member of police euro, and that is the senior person. and he said, clearly, no nukes, no chemical, no biological. that is very important signal that was signal to russia. he said he would put forward a piece proposal on behalf of china. you interested in china? this proposal certainly why not. we're interested in all these proposals. we're ready to any business change, which is about some concessions from ukrainian side. that is not kind of negotiations very interested in years. it will mean that the international order is still violated and destroyed that international law is not respected, even if one inch of ukraine and territory will be taken by russia. it will mean

that countries can move borders by physical force that will be the end of international order, and there will be blash it on the whole planet. let's talk about the situation on your front lines. the extreme urgency of getting ammunition ammunitions by speeded up. how bad is the situation on your front lines? it's very difficult. on the eastern front line, russia is just not counting people. they're sending wave by wave as a comb. cannon fodder will also have losses, not such highlight russia. it's comparable in general, but still for us it's very painful. and russia meter by meter, but they have some gains. and yes, situation is difficult. that's why for us it's urgent to have a speed of delivery of ammunition of weaponry is when we are here. we will give you albums, but they will be in the end of the year, just where we are, where we are,

and where is the end of the year? you know, so it's not just the promise to give it to it's the capacity of the west to be able to deliver it. absolutely, and here is a great challenge that the whole world meeting here in munich for years the world was meeting for security and just talking right? europe did militarized itself. the military, militarized itself, is now united states of america would not be involved. where will be put him? i mean, what is the strength of one just for what is the strength of i'm is of if, if the there is a problem for them to send several doze and states of america is the nation is, will be in there. and they will states not to trust the nato boss, yet stokum boca said that some delay on some types of ammunition has gone from 12 months to 28 months. that's not sustainable for you is absolutely that is that is,

is that your biggest worry from one of the big one of the biggest and, you know, i, i can't understand. i mean one year, it's one year of big war in europe. okay. we're not speaking about mistakes which were made before. i am not speaking that everything was clear from 2008. when i started the war in georgia, then absolutely clear from 2014 when he started the war in ukraine. ok. even i'm not speaking about this but one year. why in one year their production could not be really like widened and organized in b quantities. icon the descent is there in rom, stand for month, where these, you know, around staying military base. there is a median of ministers of the american bank, american heart support and ukraine drumstick for a month. if you will, you will take countries from step forward together that g, d, p, you said the war could be over in a matter of months. yes. are you talking about outright victory on the battlefield?

yes. as a possibility. you really believe that? absolutely. i was the 1st month after invasion. i joined to charl defense and i saw everything by my own eyes when we were defending you. in march of last year, we would have hi marcellus hobbit service and everything else we received in may, june. we would finish everything in april. then the same was in summer before rush immobilized. then the same was after rush and mobilized, but really conscripted people still had not arrived and all the time, which is enough to put you in. so the lesson is let us make step ahead of food and we will finish everything in month. the american defense department doesn't seem to agree with you on that. the chairman of the joint chiefs general mcmillan said last week, he still believes the war will end with neither side likely to achieve their military aims. neither side sounds like stalemate. you know, i am just, i was just one month soldier to return the defense in general,

nearly the respect to general. but is he wrong? yes, i think so. why a year ago, why we should be sure that they are not wrong today? do you trust western governments to, to back whatever demands you are going to make to get to a peace deal? i trust our partners, we trust our partners and alice, when does tend to, they have concerns. we need to work with this concerns. but in general, yes, the restaurant between ukraine and the west and the free world. absolutely of any of the countries said they want to say in the piece of negotiations. we want to. yeah, definitely, i think because this war is not just because between ukraine and russia, not just about ukraine and russia, it's much why the context more countries will be on the negotiation table. better? absolutely. do worry about public opinion worldwide. you worry about war fatigue outside of the ukraine. ask because global public opinion is showing some signs of that fatigue according to an ip south pole. in january, in 28 countries,

42 percent, say the problems of ukraine and none of our business. mainland, why is important? that's why i'm so thankful for you that to you that you invited me just to explain to people, that's not about ukraine and russia. if fortune will not be stopped now, he will go ahead and then they to soldiers will fight already need to territory. d runs. i like joe political man. yes. they can stop. they only can be stopped. and if you would be successful in any way that will be a message for the other dictators in 2 rooms in the world to at tech, and that can be s a disaster. and the last thing i just want to remind all of our listeners in years. so 2 years ago, ukraine was the 1st country in human history, which voluntarily gave up nuclear weaponry on de, guarantees of united states, united kingdom and russia, but guarantees which nuclear weaponry, our territorial integrity would not be restored. that will mean just one thing to

all countries in the world go nukes. yeah, you should become nuclear powers. if you want to have security, nobody will help you. what will mean this in future? in 2030 years we will have nuclear war, or are they in south america? oh, in asia oh, in africa own in europe. so there's war is a crucial moment of the 1st half of 21st century. that's something we need to explain to people and i believe this 42 percent you told about they will become 32 than 122. that's what we should work on. you tried after the invasion of crimea in 2014. you tried to get the west interested in the subject. tell them how dangerous it to tell them that the international order was being ripped up. nobody listened to that. yes. i mean, tell me about some of those conversations. i mean, you went to the council of europe, you went to brussels, you talked to the americans. nobody was interested. why not?

what did they tell you? they were telling, let us not escalate. lay let us find peaceful solution. let us speak with russia as better have negotiations and all the stuff. but you see the lesson is clear, same people, you're talking to almost the same. it's democracy it's. it's not like putting who is the tunnel. these people changes and that good thing about democracy is that we're, that politicians changes and other see the mistakes of their prentice. there's, there's and cannot repeat this mistakes and vengeance from russian fossil fuel. when it was clear, the boot and we'll weaponized it one day. why it was a great mistake, but no sounds to speak about it now. now there is a chance to speak about the lesson, but just that, but just one lesson is the west. have acted in a more concerted way and a tough away. do you think they could have prevented as a little from? absolutely, if there was a chance to stop it in 2040. absolutely. if the free world would stop it in 2014,

2022 would never happen. that i can tell you, as was a huge mistake, that affected your view of the west today. you said the politicians have changed and they don't stay forever. there are democracies, people get voted in and voted out. but isn't there a residual feeling that the west could still let you down? know, i will explain your way. that's the big changes. that's a big change and why i will explain. it's not about politicians, because these are democracy. it's about us to take people whom they never saw in their life. it means that the west is alive. this, him, humanity, in the west, the ideal of this civilization, he's alive. and that is the strength of this civilization. politicians can make mistakes, but the values they're really here, it's not about consumer is know this about humanist. and that's why i believe in 3 won't and i don't have any residual feeling. let me take you back to february the

24th. when the invasion started, you, you joined a civil defense unit and yes, you and if you had a gun, yes, you are prepared to use it. yes. what was morale like? on that day it was very difficult day. i hope it will never repeat in my life. my wife called me it was 5 o'clock she was in odessa with our children. i was in key if she call.