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the autumn, so people are saying, particularly kind of being very careful today and staying home for the most part as for the kind of military activity in the let's interface it, let's kind of think about this is the city that russia claims as its own of those votes, those kind of roads were not recognized by anyone interest committee in the awesome under duress, russia claims this as a part of its own territory and could to discuss on to be a ukrainian or by pot rushes. there's certainly no sense that russia, any way can given up those claims and that it might, in the weeks and months come, try to once again raise that russian flag above san net thanks so much as t w's. nick connelly reporting from her son in southern ukraine now retired us general. ben hodges is the former commander of the u. s. army in europe. when i spoke to him earlier, i asked, was it is that ukraine needs to win this war? liver to ukraine, the logistics, the weapons that they need to defeat russia. i believe the answer is yes. which
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brings me very nicely on to my next question. the polish prime minister is in team . he's announced the arrival in ukraine of german made left the 2 tanks. tell us how can these tang and other western supplied weapons be used by ukraine most effectively? so. busy i think that the ukrainians are, are as exactly as i think your earlier reporter said. they're preparing for their own counter offensive in a few months when the conditions are set. that means they got enough armored vehicles, so they've trained, they billed us war. so i think they'll continue supporting their troops that are in the, in around bach mood, for example, where the russians are so focused to continue to hold them back. but saving their newest armored forces, which will include of, eventually these german med legal parts. the french amex vehicles, the german martyrs, the american bradley's and others after they have gone through training so probably by the in the spring, early summer, decimal and we'll see them. the other thing,
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of course, is long range, precision weapons, which can negate the only advantage the russians have, which is mass, infantry precision weapons can take out the russian artillery headquarters, their ammunition, storage, and transportation. if you bob a, probably 3 different things that it is he volved that i did not anticipate 1st that the russians would use what is any effect strategic bombing going after civilian populations and civilian infrastructure. exactly. as your journalist, your reporter nick just said, i did not anticipate that they would do such a brazen commit war crimes. so brazenly, of fortunately, these are not having the intended effect that the criminal warrants, but nonetheless, it is still innocent, people that are being killed. secondly, the russian will to continue this fight, i think actually is decreasing. we don't, we'll never know for sure. you can't trust any poll that comes out of out of russia,
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but i would not mistake stadium full of people, even russian flags. well as strong support. i mean, the best indicator of actual support was when half a 1000000 russian military age males left the country last fall rather than continue to then rather than brisk mobile, i getting mobilized. the 3rd thing is so impressive that the west has stuck together for all this time. i'm sure the kremlin never anticipated. i just wish we've done so much. i just wish that my president and the bonus cancer would say, we want you crate to win. not just survive it and we're going to do everything necessary that's. that's the thing that's missing. so we've talked about involving being able to adapt must be one of the most important abilities on the modern bass, a fate battlefield. how good had russian and ukrainian troops being adapting
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an excellent question? oh, clearly, russian ha, the general staff, other officer core, they're not, they're not stupid, but they do not have a culture that allows critical self reflection. and if you want to improve, especially in a short amount of time, you have to be asa goes like for goshen publicly blaming the general staff for not supporting him more. and so even after 9 years, they still have not figured out a coherent command structure that gives all other advantages into the fight at the same time. on the other hand, the ukrainians, who started off with every disadvantage except for the fact that they're defending their own country, have a much more western approach to this. adapting to new technologies. i've never seen soldiers learn new equipment as fast as you brain retiree. us general then hodgin. thank he so much for your time speaking to us on t w today. thank you for the privilege. now we're going to be crossing live
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to new york shortly where a un security council debate on ukraine will be taking place in the un secretary general antonio get harish will be making a speech. i will bring you that live. but yesterday, in a resounding voice on the eve of the anniversary, the united nations general assembly called on russia to withdraw its forces from ukraine immediately and unconditionally. most un members backs a resolution for a just and lasting peace and a rat emergency session in new york. draft a solution, a slash yes, 11 slash alice stood by ukraine gazed, was passed by a 141 of the u. n's $192.00 member nations ocean on the eve of the wars one year anniversary for us l. the result is not binding. evan, but it shows the wide support ukraine has around the world. we are satisfied with the outcome and the message is clear. it doesn't matter what russia thrice and how
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it attempts to undermine international order. and the coalition in support of ukraine suited tauriel integrity. it fails one time after another is as follows. only 6 nations joined russia in voting against the resolution, which also calls for investigations into serious crimes committed in the course of the war. russia's ambassador had little comment. he called the resolution useless on twitter and said, it would only prolong the country supports the territorial integrity of all nations . ha ha, but opposes arming ukraine. warsaw means all also, she talked the stance. true criticisms, and from several of keith's allies, woman including berlin. i've heard also to day some of you had said that by arming ukraine, we're adding fuel to the fire. but the truth is if
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russia stops fighting this war, and if ukraine stops fighting ukrainians, finding or not the resolution as a sign of russia and the un security council is back again, me sig, in a special session to mark the one year anniversary since rushes invasion of ukraine, you're seeing live pictures here, and we are due to hear from the un secretary general and a number of world leaders shortly. as joining me here in the studio for some analysis is the w senior, political analyst and melinda crane. and from the u. n. in new york, i'm joined by d w. washington bureau chief in his pul, welcome to you both. and if i'd like to start with you, tell us what can we expect from this high level debate of the security council that
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should be starting any moment. you know, things are seen since the u. s. security council is kind of hold hostage or being paralyzed by russia esvito the un general assembly became the most important to and body to deal with your grade. and we were just talking about the resolution yesterday. but anyhow, what will take place today? we will hear a very highly awaited a speech from a, a secretary of state blinking the he might, some people expect that really map out a plan what to do next. the german foreign minister and alina been a bug, is also expected to speak. and again, same has happened glenda. and if i can turn to you, tell us how important the debate is today. and again, what, what signals is this debate going to be sending?
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we're really, i can only echo what in as said, the action in the united nations has moved to the general assembly. it's resolution condemning the invasion and calling for an immediate russian withdrawal is far stronger than anything that could possibly come from the security council. because of that russian veto, essentially the security council has now become a talking shop, which is what the general assembly was often accused of being in the past. but it is now acting far more decisively because it can act by majority vote. and yesterday we had a pretty sound majority there for that resolution. so today we will hear a number of important leaders speaking, but they also include a speaker from the russian federation. they also include a chinese diplomat and therefore we certainly won't hear consensus. what the security council has become is a place for the airing, a very, very different views. and you could say, well,
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that too is important. and we do need fora where we and stay in discussion with russia, but essentially the security council is supposed to be about enforcing peace and security that is no longer possible. okay. and in this, in a yesterday, and we saw the un general assembly overwhelmingly approve the resolution of immediate, complete an unconditional withdrawal from the territory of ukraine out. given what we've just been saying, what concrete impact will that have on the conflict ingle that 141 nations voted for this resolution, which as we said earlier, is not binding by so many nations. like, for example, brazil, and some say even mexico were kind of on the brink, so there was a lot of ground work done before the votes took place yesterday i had the chance to
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ask all foreign his minister and helena bamberg about precisely that. and she was talking a really intensely about how difficult it really was to get these 141 nations behind this resolution. but having that said, we also have to keep in mind that the resolution was pretty much watered down and the are the planned references to taking russian leadership to a special tribunal for a community of a come a committing while crime sets was ukraine. wondered that was not in this resolution to get as many roads as possible. so it is rather symbolic than having a real concrete impact in su, you mentioned that you spoke to and and alina babbled yesterday, and she really used some quite strong language, didn't she? when she was speaking at the general assembly to 4 people living in the ukraine right now, that it takes nearly 50 seconds or i should say only less than
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a 50 seconds between rockets hit the ground. when the sirens start. so she talked about kids or what they experience their grandmothers, mothers, father. so that's kind of her typical approach to these, the horrible topics and then her, she was also kind of directly responding to the chinese diplomat or who had said earlier that delivering munition to cure ukraine would only throw fuel on the fire. and as she said how employ and it is to continue this support and that it's only one person who really can and this was right now and this is vladimir prudent. and it's also a kind of interesting how she also kind of try to reach out to them would mean that ukraine would lose some territory by reaching out to those countries by saying we
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also have to take care of other crisis is the food choices in the climate crisis. melinda, what was your sense of how, what, what their book was saying yesterday to emmys, foreign minister, i think what's interesting is not only what she was saying, but also when she said it ukraine specifically requested that she go last before the vote because of her eloquence because of her persuasive abilities, because even if this is to a large degree symbolic, it was crucial to many people that as many nation signed up voted yes as possible. there was concerned that it might, that the number of yes is might shrink to a 120. where's the 1st condemnation that we saw from the un general assembly? last year was $143.00. so they were eager to get that number up. and 141 is not that much short of 143. and elaine, a bare books will, was therefore viewed as so crucial,
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especially for bringing abstained our major economic powers in the world. now we've always had a non aligned movement in the world, but never before has it wielded the economic power that it has now. and if you look at which countries did still abstain, they include china, india in. they include iran, they include south africa. those are major global players, therefore it was so crucial to try to get some of the abstain in countries into the yes list and certainly brazil was key. and alena burbock is viewed as one of those who helped to bring brazil over. so that is quite fascinating. when we look at the g politics of the, of the moment that we find ourselves in, because the world is not divided into even camps. here we have a very large block of countries that's trying to, that are essentially trying to hedge their bets. we have a situation where it becomes the west against the rest and unable his note. isn't
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she for using quite emotive language. i mean, she's been to ukraine. she speaks often about the mothers. she met the children she met and really brings, brings the point home. i wanted to am, talk about china innes, and what about china's involvement in saying that it's trying to mediate between ukraine and russia. i'd say it's a very important votter, melinda. i just talked about that. the geo politics are really shifting. it's not longer the west against the east, it's really her the global south, which is her as go getting more important and which is also kind of working closer and closer with china and russia. we see a large involvement of a chinese companies, for example, in mexico. and other latin american countries,
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so china is becoming one of the key players and there was actually some fear yesterday. and the day before yesterday the china made use of this a security council, or maybe maybe even the general assembly yesterday to present their own so called peace plan, which and that was the fear here. i would include that of china would ask for stop sending ammunition or to russia, and that would have poisoned or the whole debate and would have made it probably even more difficult for countries like brazil war a little bit on the fringes here to vote in favor of the resolution to watch in favor of the resolution. so there is a really nice and i'm going to, i know i'm gonna have to interrupt you there and afraid inasmuch as we are now going to listen to antonio, the terrace abilene's east. precisely to address any grievance, whatever it may be. when it ago, i sat in this council and urged,
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and i quote, in the name of the beginning of the century, with consequences not only devastating for ukraine. not only tragic for the russian federation, but with an impact, we cannot even foresee in relation to the consequences for the global economy. and of quote, i said then that we must give peace a chance, but to peace as they have no chance. war as rule the day the russian evasion of ukraine is a blatant violation of united nation, shouted an international law. it has unleashed widespread this destruction and displacements attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure have caused many casualties and terrible suffering war and ended as of cases of enforced these appearances. and that'd be thread the tensions of civilians would also document it . mister president's life is
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a living hell for the people of ukraine and estimated 17600000 people. nearly 40 percent of the population of ukraine required humanitarian assistance and protection. the crisis as he de city per cent of pre war jobs. the local program estimates at nearly 40 percent of ukrainians at unable to afford on excess enough foods. and the water sparks of these placements cries is not seen in europe in decades. more than 8 to meet a new crane and refugees have been recorded across europe. in addition to an estimate is 5400000, we have been internally displaced. more than all of all you can and children have been forced from their homes. with any confidence separates the children and facing grave risks of violence, abuse, and exploitation. vital infrastructure. he's under fi is water, energy and eating systems have been destroyed in the depths of
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a freezing winter. it. the old organization has verified over 700 thanks on health care facilities license that bombardment on the mental health of ukrainians. nearly 10000000 people, including 7800000 children out at 3 sc of goods, post traumatic stress disorder love and make no mistake. the russian federation is also suffering the deadly consequences which in a place he though this is yvonne berson, the bay. in beckle pharma law shaft dinner seals, you need, you'll dwanda, unless you're not an international law through the fed as we weren't. procedures will continue calling for action on many fronts. up will take so least protection of the civilians must remain the top priority. affecting attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure must stop. what that mean, the use of explosive weapon is worth while it must be in short, we must also invest in ukraine's recovery and reconstruction a lot more ad there in crimea quest of the ukranian government. and on behalf of
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the united nation system, the united nations development program is at co leading and assessment of damage to energy infrastructure jointly with the world magazine. mister president, through the start of the war. as you know, the international atomic energy agency has supported ukraine to ensure the safety and security of its 15 operating reactors at 4 nuclear plants, including europe's largest nuclear power plant in somebody shambly. we continued urge all parties to swiftly agree and implement and nuclear safety and security protection zone. at this operation, nuclear power plant to avoid a serious accident with potentially disastrous consequences. served up in wally, barely veiled threat us to use nuclear weapons in the context of the conflict spike to nuclear risks, to levels not seen since the darkest days of the cold war. these threats are unacceptable. doesn't progress continues to be married under the lexia. good. an
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initiative, an agreement broke would be the parties by the united nations and the governments of to kia more than $20000000.00 metric tons of foodstuffs have now been safely reconnected to global supply chains on more than 700 ships. y'all be including those prices that on the world's i want to underscore the importance of all parts is remaining. engage in these initiatives. and rates i thought, call 40 to be extended beyond march 2023. and the united nations is firmly committed to working to remove remaining operation is essential, valuable, and possible. even in the midst of conflict. mr. presidents, over the past year, these counselors held more than 40 divides on ukraine's the guns are talking now. but in the ends, we know, we all know that the best of diplomacy and accountability is that outlet justin, sustainable peace be seen line with un charter's international law. and yesterday's
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resolution of the general assembly. we must prevent further escalation. we must all encourage every meaningful efforts to end the bloodshed and as long lost if is a chance. thank you. i think the secretary general for his briefing, and i'll give the floor to his excellent seems to me throw clever minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. mister president, distinguished members of the security council secretary general. first of all, i would like to thing the presidency of malta for convening this important meeting . the general assembly has just passed a resolution on the principles of comprehensive just and lasting peace in ukraine. 141 members to the resolution follows the logic of president landscape peace formula. the goal of the standpoint plan is to restore respect for ukraine
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sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders . in full compliance with the un charter that we all have committed to respect and uphold. to make it short, the gold rush from every corner of the world to facilitate the implementation of the resolution and the piece formula. we need to act jointly and quickly to ensure nuclear safety and security by forcing russia to withdraw from the illegally occupied upper region nuclear power plant and stopping me. so attacks that endangered nuclear power plants across the territory of ukraine to avoid the threat of hunger by furthering the black sea green initiative and countering russian efforts to undermine it. as well as by developing our grain from ukraine initiative to prevent an energy crisis which will require the sensation of russian
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me. so tara, in forest threatens our efforts to cancer global warming. but 1st and foremost, people must be saved their lives and their rights are at the center of our struggle for peace. the magnitude of the humanitarian crisis brought on by russia aggression against ukraine cannot be overstated. i would like to highlight here only one of numerous horrendous facts. russia is now implementing in ukraine. probably the largest instance of state sponsored kidnapping of children in history of our modern world. your members of the council. ukraine will resist, as it has done so far. and ukraine will, when put in is going to lose much sooner than he thinks here is what russian officials and servicemen have to know. you think you will get
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away with what you did know you will end up on trials you will be testifying. how strongly opposed to the aggression and how you just following orders. you think that the world will get tired of supporting ukraine? the support will only get stronger. you think that ukraine will eventually tire of defending itself more the more and the longer you will keep attacking ukraine. the more resolve is weapons. just as a fire fighter needs water to extinguish a 5, the fire that is destroying your home and killing innocent people. the sooner and the more we get, the sooner the fire will be extinguished. army country, the defense itself from the aggression is absolutely legitimate and is an act of defending the un charter. on the contrary, helping an aggressor is.
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