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all the people shaping public opinion. the key word share is the word phase. where are the right digital battle lines being drawn? the propaganda war for ukraine? russia's war in ukraine, one year since the invasion began. take a look back and into the future. in slow rain. in february on d, w, it has been one year since russia began its full scale invasion of ukraine. part of europe is now a war zone again, and geo politics have shifted for better or for worse. see china and russia. if russian president vladimir putin wanted 2022 to be his year to reclaim some national glory in battle,
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ukrainian president voldemort zalinski is vowing that 2023 will be the year ukraine's force his claim victory. by finishing the bad. i'm broke off in berlin. this is the day ah, a year ago and they we, everybody was shocked. news of us. it was a very difficult year. i suffer terrible loss. i hope that people come full. this horror will end with we survived bombardments. didn't really we survived the atrocities windows, doors were blown out, but we only got stronger people to get us, but we no longer feel any emotions. think it's just the best emptiness. there are no words to describe is state
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people just tight. we have fighting almost whole year without any stop also coming up in their own words, ukrainian women remembering what they saw, heard fault, and felt when they decided to flee the war, we will be exposed. and i remember turning my head to my husband and she looked at me and said, no, it can be any one woman, is that an even bertha? and i met a woman, lots for kids because taking months, presto, hard to die. one woman can in heart attack, and by the time we went to pulling my hands my shaking me and were shaking but to our viewers watching on tv, as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day
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marking a one year of war in ukraine with wishes, words, and weapons. one year ago today, russia's military began a full scale invasion of ukraine from the north east and south in the 12 months that would follow thousands of troops, russian and ukrainian died. there is no way to verify the numbers, but estimates run as high as 200000 casualties on the russian side and more than a 100000 ukrainians. the front lines have shifted mostly in favor of the ukrainian military. once the u. s. the u. k. in european allies began cindy heavy weapons, ukraine was able to push back the invaders, especially in the north. today the 1st western battle tanks, german made leopard 2 tanks arrived in ukraine. the united states today announced another $2000000000.00 and military aid, including drones, ukraine's president zalinski today saying again that once his forces have the
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weapons that they need, they will be able to end this war. and that takes us from weapons to words. president zalinski addressed his nation to day, promising to win the war. as early as this year he said, provided ukraine's allies remain united and continue sending weapons. dear colleagues, we withstood this year, we started to free our land from ross and eva, we are in the tour of security to international relations. and you and i can make these here to 023 to be the year of the end of rational rest. the year of the return to peace, the year of the liberation of our land, and our pillow from russian give tv with a group of 7 agents, answered zalinski today by reaffirming their support for ukraine and condemning russia at the united nations in new york. you are secretary of state,
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anthony blink, and warned against calls for a temporary cease fire saying that this would only allow russia to replenish its forces. and this sentiment was echoed by germany's foreign minister. this war is not the world war. this war is not the wall of the russian people. this war is put in swarm. the russian president is risking the future of his own country, of his own soldiers, his own children. that's why a just peace, a peace plan presented yesterday by the 141 states. and the general assembly is also in the interest of the people of russia. oh, it goes without saying that ukrainians want this war over as soon as possible. but how to get to that end, zalinski is adamant that negotiations cannot take place as long as russian forces
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are attacking his country. no sign of a pullback from the kremlin, but russia's allied china has laid out a possible plan to end the fighting. at the same time, the u. s. has beijing could be providing lethal military aid to russia for use in ukraine, china as a credible mediator, wishful thinking, or denied zalinski has confirmed that he plans to meet chinese president. she's in pain or discuss this in just a moment, but 1st, a look back at one of the, at one year of the russian invasion of ukraine. one year ago, rush their attacks ukraine from 3 sites in the north ahmed units came over the border from russia's ally, belarus. they were air and land attacks from russia itself in the east and from the south forces flowed from russian occupy crimea. russia's navy also attacked from the black sea ukrainian soon so that the russians had under
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estimated them a massive cannon of russian tanks. headington with ki, if was stopped in its tracks. the battle the key if was lost and it was clear that wouldn't be the quick victory. the moscow that many expected by april russian troops had retreated from the north. they regrouped to focus their efforts on the east and the south. the strategic se and port city of mary evil had been surrounded since the early days of the wall. and in may, it finally fell to russian forces. the city that had been home to 450000 people, lay in ruins. but russian victories remain few and far between. in september, ukraine's military surprised russia with a lightning offensive that reclaimed large sways of the hockey of region. ukraine then proceeded to liberate the city of her son too, in
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a major humiliation for the russian army russian troop morale was said to be low. meanwhile, ukraine was benefiting from an increasing flow of high tech western weapons, including the high mars multiple rocket launcher. this allowed key of forces to hit far behind enemy lines, cutting off supply routes and hitting ammunition depos. since re taking har give and her son, the front line has been mainly stable with russia focused on capturing the city of bar malt. this is part of an effort to take the entirety of the done yet so no hands provinces, one of russia's original stated goals. so what's next? russia has pulled hundreds of thousands of new conscripts into the fight. but the latest offensive pushing along the front line in the dumbass as so far yielded no major gains for russia. meanwhile, ukraine is also gearing up for a counter offensive,
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and is expecting deliveries of dozens of advance battle tanks from germany colon written and the u. s. ukrainian soldiers are also getting training from nato on sophisticated military maneuvers that could help them punch through the russian lines and take back more territory. how far they can go is another question. it's clear that key if can only keep fighting as long as the weapons keep flowing from its western allies. well, one year into this war. what next? my 1st guess tonight is let's see, a bustling co, a member of the ukranian parliament for the opposition. miss vessel inca, it's good to have you on the program. there is a lot to discuss on this dreadful anniversary i want to ask you, do you share your president's confidence that ukrainian forces will be able to win this war? by the end of this year?
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we not an ass now. now the way around it. i, when i say we, it's not just for something that he crane musty, but it's something our western allies must still say because as it was right in effect, we rely largely on assistance, military assistance from the west. the more comes in and the foster comes in, the siena mint east longstanding, peace can be brought backing to europe. we as of the 1st western beveled tanks, have now arrived in ukraine. now, how close is your government, your present? president zalinski? how close is he to convincing ukraine's western allies to send fighter jet was i that's all, it's a work in progress. and it's been a work in progress for one year. now i remember my 1st intervention was foreign media and was my counterparts in many part of the world i was asked to play type
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essentially means to provide ukraine with by to jets. so we can have less on her abilities from russian missile russian brands attacking non civilians. this, this is still a much needed element of the defense system of the grade. we need to be able to make our skies said, the only way to do it was it was modern high, her job. i have very much to western realizes this knee. i've been imperative to end the war by and the spring 2023, maybe by end of summer 2025. that the victory will be quite longer in the pipeline. what do you say when people say that you are engaging in wishful thinking? when you say ending the war by the spring or summer of 2023. well let's make this wishful thinking a reality. i,
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it's realistic. it's then realistic thing that this will will, and i mean russia is that only when russia and russian government is brought responsibility to justice as the anyway and the aggression and the act of aggression and then have justice brought and then have reparation stayed out. this is the only guarantees that exist in the world today for a number of the vision of aggression for a long standing piece, the formula is very simple. it's out that we have to be realistic about it. well, how would it be realistic to say that a victory will have to include russia, giving back all ukrainian territory, including the crimean peninsula? is that realistic, or would there be a possibility to negotiate? possibly saying yes to russia, keeping crimea i this question always makes me laugh because
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it's very nice to think that if we appease the breast for that that we will be able to, to bring peace, especially long standing piece. if you look, especially at crimea, premier what, what it all started from back in 2014, not last year and i'm the past 12 months. but in the past 9 year war has been going on going on long term, and it started started with the completion of the regions. and this is where you then was the, the occupational regions the world have tried to negotiate around those areas to appease russia. these area have remained under russian occupation 9. now i'm great. where does the, does this let us to 24th february last year date we all are following. remember the reason why we are not speaking to each other. now this is easement lead to an
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escalation to a whole lot of the scale that you haven't seen for for decades. now, you've already it will make your lithia vessel aco. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us, share your story, and i'm sure many people around the world are hoping along with you that the war will comes. the end of the war will come sooner rather than later. thank you. ok. well, the russian invasion of ukraine did this war in the middle of europe is now entering its 2nd year, and there is no end in sight. even with western weapons. will ukraine's military ever deal a final defeat to russian forces ukraine's staunch allied. the united states have said that the war cannot be won by military means, and it's urging diplomacy. with that in mind, we ask what could an end to the fighting, possibly look like? one year of constant fighting
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a new russian offensive already underway will the 2 sides ever sit down and make a deal. there have been several rounds of talks that. busy but both sides have blamed the other for negotiating in bad faith. the 2 sides did come together in a deal to allow grain to be exported from ukraine's ports. but the agreement only happened under immense international diplomatic pressure with a hunger crisis looming in many parts of the world. the relationship between russian president vladimir putin and his ukrainian counterpart volota may zalinski makes the prospects for peace even more remote potent describes the ukrainian government as fascist. and leo nazi holidays. zalinski has said that he's ready for dialogue with russia, but not while potent is in power. russia is unlikely to subdue ukrainians who see the war as an existential battle. but if you crane runs too low on ammunition or
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soldiers, it will be difficult to resist. russia's overwhelming superiority in numbers. william post analysts say potent sees conquering ukraine as his legacy. restoring russia status as an imperial power conflict, though he stakes so much on the war, he can't afford to lose faith by backing down. but if enough, russian soldiers die, he may face domestic backlash and change his calculations. that means the conflict has settled into a contest and to see what country can stand more pain with russia now losing hundreds or even thousands of soldiers every week and ukrainian suffering through an invasion that has driven many from their homes and destroyed much of the country early this year, russia said no diplomatic solution was in sight, and both sides have big plans to take territory and he solution seems months away
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at the very least door to me now from london is bill broader. he's the ceo of hermitage. capital management bill has also been called vladimir putin's number one enemy in part because of laws holding russia accountable for human rights violations that he has lobbied such as the u. s. global mag it ski act bill. it's good to have you back on the program. you saw in heard president zalinski to day, i mean, he's laid out his terms for what has to happen in order for him to even consider talks with russia. i mean, he wants one of your book to pull back is zalinski. is he engaged in wishful thinking? bear well, i mean, the real problem you have here is that vladimir putin cannot, in any way pull back concede, make compromises or negotiate. he never has in his history. in his mind,
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any type of negotiation is a sign of weakness, weakness. hm. it creates huge risk for him staying in power. and if he loses power, he goes to jail, loses his money and dies. and so for putin, this is really all or nothing. and i hear all these people talking about, you know, trying to get diplomacy into the process and negotiation. and i just don't like knowing what i know about vladimir putin and i know a lot about him having fought with him for 13 years. that's not going to happen, that the only way this thing is going to resolve itself is either if you crane wins, or if russia, when we say the way. and god forbid russia when we have heard even leading up to the beginning of this invasion, that we have to hit putin in his pocket book where it hurts with sanctions. but those sanctions they, they haven't produced the desired results, have the or am i reading it wrong?
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well, so the, so the sanctions have been absolutely punishing we've sanctioned, we've the, the west has frozen 350 $1000000000.00 of russian central bank reserves. the west has a sanctioned, a hundreds of billions of dollars of oligarchy money. and there's all sorts of restrictions on russian banks. they can't transact, all sorts of things have happened. but there's one huge, huge loophole. you could drive several trucks through this loophole. and that is, that russia continues to sell it gas and it's oil. pretty much without restriction . there's a minor restriction on oil. but, but what that means is that russia is getting between $500000000.00 and a $1000000000.00 a day from the west every day. and a in russia who uses that money to kill ukrainians and as long as get russian gas and oil can be sold either to the west or to the east that the, the, he's going to always have enough money to continue to conduct this war. and so that's the, that's the thing we all have to get our head around is that we need to starve him
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of those resources. and we haven't really kind of tightened the screws to do that. and that's where the problem lies. if i'm reading, you write the bill, it sounds like you're saying, if you want to stop what a report you can't aim at him instead, you have to aim at his customers such as iran, india, china, the ones that are buy or even, you know, you've got african countries that are buying oil and natural gas from russia, they have to stop doing that. well, it were also buying russian oil or oil products. so, you know, the sometimes russia will export its crude oil to india and then india will sell. it's a refined products to us, and so we've got to get a lot smarter, a lot more sophisticated, a lot tougher. if we want to cut into putin's cash flow, because as long as he has cash flow, he's going to continue to kill ukrainians. and he has absolutely no incentive to negotiate and i don't think anyone should fool themselves that you can you can declare that you want. diplomacy couldn't, doesn't do diplomacy, pollutants. just
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a really nasty piece of work goes out and kills and escalates. wilbur elder, as always, we appreciate your valuable insights on this dreadful anniversary. thank you. thank you. an estimated 8000000 ukrainians are now living abroad after fleeing their country in the past year. another 8000000 have been displaced within ukraine's borders. d. w spoke to 3 women all forced from their homes about their experiences of the war early morning and we rolled out a big explosions. and i remember turning my head to my husband and he looked at me and said, no, it can be company hard. you try to share banks, closure and share the 1st few days. don't worry. we current no just
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explosion, but we really know what to do because this is something though unusual. you want to check your country, the worst starts in your country and we were lost. everybody was running around with the suitcases. cards keeps crying for a month old baby had a breathing problem. so she needed an relations and she needed to be injection and they might get to that. but i think jackson, there was eric byron, the daughters go to the basement. now. we went to the basement and there was a for the day, but the night and then with bands they are all the night next. almost 4 months. every time when you shedding rochester, ready to head to the railway station, the explosion started again. one of the things in our, in ordinary took up to date. one woman is that given birth.
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and now there will be lot to kid because the ticket was spread. so hard to die, one woman dot to kind of hard to back it. it was, it was still taken in by the time when to bowling. my hands were shaking my edward shake and i could not say a word by the time i saw that my children, they are mental house is getting worse and worse and worse. and in september my old daughters to and they agnes with nursing from she couldn't spectrum and she starting place here. oh sure. i believe her eyelash is and this f o king and 18 with i cried. the look when we cross the border, it was the equally and they'd be on that because the voter and when it's full and i
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realize how much fred here i was all this time, all of it's 8 months in kip and the crane. i made a little, it's erica, loud noises, but it or it's a railway station and there was this train. i mean, they said, oh no, the war has started at all. and i still struggling, getting into my head that in the 21st century, people who are able to send her space ships out on this that can i just stand up and going kill somebody because of some crazy notion or a dia, eastern bare feet looks great cemetery, a list of people who died. and just when i opened my instagram, it's like one story. if someone died in the home to another story, someone died in one's creature or something and it always just so young, beautiful people. and sometimes i just feel like i'm
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a walking target and and one day they could hit my nose too, or they could kill my relatives, my friends. i think i got used to everything. but i realized that i feel stressed out like, by default, scary thing when these sirens send, you have to go to the shelter people. i think it all k. i have at least like 20 minutes. i can go buy bread and then i'll go to a shelter or something like this. so the war is arthur their lives. the war gave us the last. i never say never and nothing is impossible. and then honestly, i've been on have plan because it is important the boat fence finally, several people have reportedly been detained in russia after taking part in what
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authorities they are deemed illegal, protest activities on the 1st anniversary of the war. in moscow, some people laid flowers at a monument honoring a famous ukrainian poet. some of them were led away by security forces. similar scenes we understand were reported it memorial sites in a handful of other cities. and with that, the war begins a 2nd year. the day is almost done, the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter at t w. news, you can follow me on twitter at rit. gov. tv. have a good weekend. everybody with
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. with the great debate this week on t w. ah, ah ah, this is dw news live from berlin tonight to one year of the russian invasion of ukraine than ukraine's president is sending a clear message to me away is leave our territory withdraw. stop selling us, stop killing civilians, stop destroying our infrastructure.
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