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and her parents, thanks for support i we're always giving me the space to be who i. i wanted to be always 8 bears one golden and 7 silver found a new home tonight. and with this on the 73rd, berlin film festival comes to an end. that's all for now. coming up next style dog film series. this time titled leaving islamic states states. you have a more news on the top of the of we're all set to go beyond the obvious citizenship a meant we're all in. as we take on the we're all about the stories that matter to you. whatever it takes,
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policemen following o. w fire made for mines. ah big statics years. mike, isn't quite sometimes in joe it's so for the best of them. do i didn't want to cry . ah. i know it's the last time i promise. oh, january 2021. mike messing has come to the city of cause willa in western germany because the federal court of justice is going to announce its decision. we'll his daughter remain in custody, or will she be released? a few hours later, our weight comes to an end. the woman in the black coat is land. no ha, messing at 21. she stands accused of being a member of the islamic state. her father,
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mike has been fighting for the last 6 years for his leo. now she's free. at least until her upcoming trial. yeah, no ha, missing has no way. oh oh oh from isn't hello mrs. missing. she's in the commodore either. hello. i'm coming home. ah, this is the story of a father and his daughter a story that i've accompanied for 7 years. one that would take me to syria, a country torn apart by civil war. as can your own child would rather go join terrorists than stay with you and even think it's foreign to one of the most brutal
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terrorist groups of our time is less, mom wasn't in a fight between life and death. you have to leave as fast at his hands seem to have the where are they? i am waiting these papa, please. in a syrian prison captain. dot. i was very afraid just what i caught a vanity on my head, the $70000.00. up and back to a village in eastern germany. you've been here. you're good to shift from dinner. we could overcome the most terrible things together. we fought cbs to get her back foot and we couldn't handle 6 weeks of living on a one rick together. and i'm got to look, it's a story about guilt. and 2nd chances
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this is where it all began, but i hadn't been in saxony, unheard of germany in 2015 leon, ohio and her father mike messing. we're living a seemingly happy life and 15. no, no. how was a typical teenager? her parents had separated some years earlier. her father, mike, who ran a beggary had recently re married. land o ha, seemed on the outside like a happy girl interested in boys and cosmetics. she even ran a youtube channel with makeup tips. holly, my, me hello friends, and welcome to my latest video i. today i got my march favorite tips in the beauty department. does this, this is number 07 from the salesman, which looks like they'll off. unbeknownst to her family, lenovo had converted to islam and become radicalized a year earlier than one day,
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she just disappeared. lena had left for syria, a different world, a war torn country under control of the islamic state. for an agonizing 12 days, mike heard nothing from lenovo. then finally, in march 2015, a voice message, mike couldn't know then that his cellphone would soon become the only tenuous link to his daughter. hope i physically peppa, i'm trying to send you a voice message. hope it reaches you quickly, emma, and me, i'm doing really well. we have a really big apartment here. i decorated everything and purple as quickly as you know must. we don't have couches here, but these hose usa is or is ok. i'm also sending you photos of the present. he gave me on my shank funny gold have glass become leonor. had told of her wedding at just
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15, she had married and his law make state fighter here the official wedding photo leonora, one of his 3 new brides. the of one done for her. we were married by the i s and on his as no call, they had us go into the room briefly and give them a thumbprint on down a tow came in just like that we were married on get bought. oh and the bridle gave up. they asked us what we wanted as our gift. in my case, it was a gold necklace and bracelet captain. good on month. then they said, congratulations, you're married on his head. singer lunch is a violent of varnish or it was unpleasant. we didn't even know each other. yeah. yeah. we'd written each other if she tries on whatsapp and things like that. what you can't really get to know someone like that kennon and her husband nie hug also came from eastern germany. his real name is martine lenika. he left for syria about 6 months before lenovo and had become an intelligence officer for the islamic state . ah, soon after his daughter vanished, mike contacted
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a journalist ah, that's where i come in. folk markovich. i'd been recording on terrorism for years and spent time in syria and iraq. we hit it off right away. we didn't know it at the time, but there would be many more meetings and conversations like this one in 2015 mostly revolving around one question, why? it was either for, for gloss against go kind of trunks. it doesn't don't wrinkle form. she showed us out completely, kept us out of that pot of her life. bitter. a young girl voluntarily goes to syria, hasn't been shown you go. amazon here. she wouldn't even go into the bond because of the mire gets broke of the world. congress jumped on this, but then she heads off to a civil war where all hell had broken loose, where people aren't messing around as much to who cancel either. in rocca, the capital of the islamic state,
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leon nova encountered the true face of the terrorist militia. she often texted her father about what she'd seen this happen the right in front of leon novas, doorstep, and with these atrocities the i asked was making propaganda on the internet, recruiting new followers and scaring opponents. now in january 2021, lenovo has left the terror, stayed behind. she's been released from detention in germany, awaiting trial, and is headed back to her small village. in the 6 years since she left, she's been through war, terror, imprisonment and the long fight to get back home. so it's the 1st. i haven't really grasped at all yet, but sitting in a cell like that, you don't see much of the outside world or that you're back in germany, one in village. you're in jail, excitement felony, lenovo still has
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a long and difficult road ahead of her. she's being investigated for membership in a terrorist organization. the jesus didn't. soon after arriving in syria in 2015, leonor has dreams gave way to a grim reality. she found her husband repulsive, the islamic state to brutal and life as one of 3 wives. fraught with conflict. i'm he averted anesha. he never scold me or be the way he had her eagles. i'd even compare the betting and suckling they'd say mine weren't as bad as her langley either. once until guar cassia eman mistook whitewash. we had the impression that her
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husband was in over his head. some people might think 3 wives grazed us to fight our coil. what their own people with an aid alice desires often wishes to induce madmen. bless us. i never heard that from martini that. i was trespass quite the opposite. he said he'd like 3 more. why? what's my morning? after 2 months from what we gathered on was she realized that her situation, there wasn't what she had expected card. she even said it. oh okay, thought said i'd like to go home and it would be nice if you could do something. now when than it was and then it's helpful to know someone who knows someone who can deliver to can now what mike is referring to are my journalistic contacts traffickers and they had contact with terrorists. but should i a journalist act as a go between after many discussions we decided yes, on the condition that mike make any and all decisions on his own. we met in turkey
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smuggling, some one out of i asked, controlled territory can be extremely dangerous, particularly for a woman travelling alone at a hotel in the south of turkey. mike met the smugglers. i took a back seat, he handled the negotiations. the 3rd. mm hm. oh, my meeting with us today if he was clean caught, well groomed up, he said he had ties to the news was brought to ty, so i'll create a more or less miracle video, a kinder, the highest mike mike from brighton box in a town of 200 is sitting in a hotel with 2 guys from al qaeda. i've had a drinking tea party and smoking a 100 cigarettes 11 as indefinite if told us. they're definitely terrorist as increased. just minor puckett mobile, real thugs. but i want my daughter back. we just came to the home. ah,
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then it begins somewhere in syria. some men are making their way to rocca. they'd managed to smuggle people out of the i s capital in the past, and extremely dangerous undertaking. in 2015 rocco was the heart of the islamic state, fully in the grip of the terror groups. the security forces who were constantly on patrol leo, nova sent my car location and photos of the surrounding area. knowing she could be put to death if she were caught i was just staring at the clock, the minutes go by no words a 20 minute as it's through nothings on such men. the plans kept falling through each time putting low. no huh. at greater risk. hello or are they? i keep writing but no one can eat no one there please love it to papa.
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the smugglers made more than 10 attempt to reach her. either talk are dishonest and all the time. there was an hour, an hour and a half every day. there just to everything i had to worry, asking and answering questions correctly. now the fear this is hard to describe, that kind of tension has come up on the strategic i've done, but they didn't give up. setting up a meeting at an internet cafe and rocca, he shows on his smugglers then did something they hadn't done before. by going into the internet cafe on the golf. when we were waiting here. oh, it was 6 o 1, pm vincent. so 2 ah, 6 lives you'll be, you didn't go online and it's to your last house dangling. perforce, those, his thoughts were going through my head and it was unbearable. come on, nora, we can make it any easier for you than this. at 640,
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oh it was the news they had been dreading mike and the rest of the family had no choice, but to believe lenovo was dead killed in a war not hurt to fight. ah, ah, 3 weeks later i paid mike a visit. this time bringing my camera along, he told me that he tried to get through the days somehow, but he hadn't made it through a night without weeping. thinking this thought, a child is dead. when he fails, just as hard mister shaft, has he failed to get her out of the house and she shoved dawslet. oh, the event is bomb, frenzel dumb it. we're going to plant this tree,
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hugging not to bury our child. we can't do that, but to say good bye and we'll have a place where we can goes, which is symbolically where she will be leaked often, bullish children back then. and in the years that followed, no one would have imagined that leo know how would ever be on her way home. again with her family eagerly waiting the day leo know her left home almost exactly 6 years earlier, was also a cold snowy day. no vista says it hard to believe i am on this road again after 6 years. i can still remember that back then. i thought it might be the last time i'd ever be on this road. this finished class on the
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boy. oh you, what do you think i can manage after 6 years and syria? leonor huh. is finally home again with mom is momma here. ah, yes, i'm here. but leonor has returned to normal life wouldn't be as easy as they had expected. it's latin olives. oh, they were all waiting. is she going to have some sparkling wine or not staying on my old grandma? think bad of me if i don't. well, she's like, i'm still
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a radical. oh no, that really makes you think. oh man. yeah. so hey, i took a step in. i haven't looked at long as it tasted terrible. i hated it. never again . either. now, in 2015, mike had believed his daughter was dead, but the message from syria was a lie, probably to punish mike for the escape attempt. several weeks would pass before this message arrived. leonora was alive, but still living under a terrorist regime. the olla is la maya. arabic for islamic state in germany, the families ordeal continued. day after day, month after month, mike wondered how his daughter was doing, and if he'd ever see her alive again as 2015 gave way to 2016 in
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syria, people were dying every day on all sides with this as the vida that our 1st christmas ne daniels, with at leo homes. mom office. it's a peculiar feeling. oh, well then we don't have to say it. we just look at each other and we know that then you find yourself with it isn't horizons. ah, mike and his new wife came to a decision to go on with life one way or another. a new baby was coming. a girl 2 years later in 2017, rocca was under attack layer no, her left the war torn city. soon the islamic state lost control over rocca and by then lay inova was pregnant with
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ah, it would be another 3 years before mike would be reunited with his daughter and meet his granddaughter. ah 2021 back and but i've been leo know, has 1st weeks at home didn't go as smoothly as they'd hoped. she often felt overwhelmed and needed help to manage a daily routine and she was still under criminal investigation. eventually she would face terrorism related charges. yon reserve is so she returned, but there was a lot of work to be done. louise walks as she arrived with a huge backpack of experiences and problems. young lenders to indulge, trundle,
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noncom done. and then she arrived in germany and well with us was she was handed another backpack, was with another set of problem with one young, not wydell involved in birth certificates for the children of the kingdom on health . insurances, i sure can the finding daycare show up in 4 months in germany, i filled out more paperwork than i had last 6 years in syria and i arrived here and had to start again from 0. i had to register deal with so many issues. sometimes everything would depend on a single piece of paper work for p up. mike had been waiting years to have his daughter back to the family, help lenovo with her appointments with the authorities and the paperwork. but it soon became clear that exchanging voice messages was easier than living under the same roof. after 6 years, they couldn't just pick up where they had left off the current since that the excel is the last 6 years boiled down to this look and
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all those terrible things. but we were able to deal with them. my experienced them revived them together. virtually your family's been fruit. i could fly to turkey. no problem with him. that's why i couldn't sit at a table with acadia. no problem. can we? ford facility is bo return and couldn't manage to spend 6 weeks under the same roof together actively. ah, there were frequent arguments and misunderstandings. lenovo was preoccupied, even self absorbed. she was under criminal investigation, had survived trauma and struggled to meet my expectations. after just a few weeks, the situation had escalated, the 2 had completely different ideas of how life together should work. mike wanted leonor, that to take part in family and village life, while they are no ha preferred spending hours alone in her bedroom. their lives
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just weren't compatible papa kept saying come out of your bedroom when the children come out to the horses. it's coming from them and lost his head and i just wasn't interested booked of me a lot. i don't want to sit around the campfire with people from the village and that's why i couldn't do it. how far is contest in it? a go is something had to change. and hobbies an online lied and could eventually i contacted the youth welfare office. they said things aren't working out in 2000 and the welfare office. they said to me, we've been expecting your call for weeks now and wolf. what mine is from settling on. mm. i don't see of only very few. you can make it work with that help of guy slept over it, but we wanted you to come to that realization yourself under chanel. thank mm no, no. huh. and her daughter moved out to a group home for mothers and their children. lenovo took part in court order d, radicalization classes 3 times
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a week. she had to report to the local police with a come alley right back. i'm just going to place 3 years earlier. lenovo had very different problems in the fall of 2018. she and her husband and me hard. martin were on the run, surrounded by bombings and air raids. the islamic state was crumbling. and militarily, the regime was on its last legs. i spin see you. hello papa. it's me leo. and we're here in the last village. they've surrounded us and are all on one street. these land stayed only controls a single street, and that's all i remember all crowded in here. i know there's no room and we're hungry and kinda the children are freezing via we hastily skiing. there's no future
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for us here. we don't even have a single dollar turn and so we have nothing, nothing to eat off there. so we've decided to surrender. she moves out. so game from, from off to the cindy being my phone went be p feed and i knew it meant that radio syria was back on the air mitchell with some sort of interesting news. after 4 years, you develop a bit of a hard shell to protect you. so a swan is quite was a voice message from martin lemke, and he didn't sound too happy he's unable to needs image you stream high visas on a summer from swanny temperature. an issue among you through the darkness. she might other from us with a lot of people with her to the inversion. low vision by that a young to had as this is to shows us teaching the only home isn't on. come on,
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love american girl. suddenly the person who's been trying to ruin your life for years, contacts you whining to help me. me, me, me, me, me a 1st year taken aback. what is this is and assets will go from dallas and then it creates, then you realize he's really in trouble. now click on the last to do, an sink is caught also call us on the lindsay think to yourself and in early 2019 more than 40000 people from the last remaining i s territory surrendered. lay a know her messing was one of them. nearly 4 years after leaving germany, she found herself in the syrian desert. the images from a news agency went around the world of because i, i was my own, my own nice big long time ago. and no, i know that was in the for
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her father at home in biden. bah, it was the news he had been waiting years to hear as a soul. i basically slept through it. so i'd be hoping for this for years vinci the sir in the market. it's pretty go to bed, get up and find the problem. had disappeared after me on the way to work and suddenly sunk in on north an auto got out of the car and thought of whose we thought yes, great. this is full biased over lenovo was brought to the unholy prison camp in northern syria housing, up to 90000 people. the camp was under the control of syrian kurds, a huge tented prison in the middle of the desert. stack. man, i'll call it out to myself. i cannot be. there must be lots of women who've left i s already here form you down and when i arrived, i saw every one dressed in black. i look from head to toe lighted,
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except i thought the can i as to play know and it was under spousal. there was constant tension in the camp. many wanted nothing more than to go home. others hoped the islamic state would rise again in the middle of it all low nova for nearly 2 years she and her 2 children lived in attend here. while still in the ins, lenovo had become a mother for a 2nd time. the little one's name was maria, but maria's help was frail and she'd been hospitalized several times. there was nothing the doctors there could do. meanwhile, germany was debating whether to repatriate people who had joined the ins. but were they still dangerous? in march 2019, i went to syria, myself and interviews. linelle has said she turned her back on the ins. but did
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she really understand what she done to herself, her family and to the people of syria? and what had drawn her to the islamic state in the 1st place. a flam. latins is on wednesday, august my manhood. in germany you saw lots of people converting to us mom. i fax i'm and i said i was young, i guess, and i wanted to revoke like i was in high street with a customer said she tells me she stopped believing in the i asked a long time ago. but what does she think about her own actions? misery, what has she learned these past 4 years on insured to done? i from the all i really wanted was to go home and, and i system. and when that didn't work, things got worse than anguish because i realized i had to live here more. there i wanted to, or not village or devilish blue back in germany early 2020 to leonora had begun to reflect more deeply on what she'd done.
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she'd begun to process it all and it wasn't always easy. do you feel guilty? yeah. oh, that, yes, definitely. i think as i went there, said in on the also, and i truly need little answer because i didn't know about a lot of things to take down was the up class. none less even today i'm still finding out things about that about the organization. i about heard you organize it so no doubt you buy in. i'm still finding out things about my former husband from complete strangers. on lighting one, her former husband ne hon abu yasser, who's actually martine lenika. i also met with him in syria, where he was in custody at the time of filming. in germany there is a warrant for his arrest. hello. he seems to be trying to win my sympathy. i even fuck my garbage. it woocommerce deutschland it's hard here.
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we're under a lot of psychological pressure. i sit in a cell alone and can't see or hear any watched. martine them is believed to have been one of the highest ranking germans in the i as another return. he later said he didn't torture, but he allowed others to torture. whether that's true is unclear, unsurprisingly. lim cut denies it. oh, he is just a duchess. sounds in it, didn't augustine. and september 2019. i went public for the 1st time, talking about leon nova and her story in a documentary on a german news broadcast her goodness. good evening, she was an ordinary girl in an ordinary village in saxony on halt. 15 year old leonora was well liked the documentary about leonor huh. and her father. mike also found its way into the camp and syria camp inmates watched it on their cell phones, including leo know ha, it was the 1st time she'd seen how her father had been coping kept us mid zone. are
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playing cooper. i was with a small group home and who are also opposed to the i a z as who are normal. you could say no mom, tulsa, we all sat there and were really upset him because we were crying militia diet. i guess i was the most most i affected because my father had zang the undergrad. i seeing the other side to the dental course. how much my father had suffered on. thus i really did me both good law life. i love my father so very, very much every one knows fidel. good on my daddy's girl and i couldn't bear to see him suffer though. it really hurt you. thus had managed to shim mm. other women in the camp also saw the film leonora became a target for radical islamists and hanging nathaniel the room and really went not live up. they said things like, when you're asleep at night, we'll take your kids, he burn you alive in your tendency, naturalistic, you know, home fuckin', same with them sets as i'm up and i've been, i was very afraid. dad,
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distressed youngstown, but lay on no, i didn't. back down. she took off her head scarf and switched sides, helping the kurdish guards who kept control of the women in the camp. leonor has life and the lives of her children were now at risk for the i s women in the camp. lenovo was a traitor and apostate who deserved death, and she wouldn't have been the 1st. and the last year alone, more than 100 people had died and i'll hold that pole dusty club liqueur. it's got me out of the camp after my photo started circulating online for to him and tunnel and got all the i s groups arabic lines, german and english, one english and a picture of me and my child was online. mit lankin. they put a bounty on my head, $70000.00 schemes, up to $70000.00 for the person who cut my head off or whatever allow food in unit day in a pocket. i don't feel homo. mike refused to give up. back in germany, he continued his fight in court. mike messing versus the federal republic of
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germany. he was represented by duke, shown in a lawyer from hanover, who taken on many such cases in 2020. the german government always offered the same arguments. what is the your, what is the german government wanted to bring the young children back without their mothers, without accompaniment. so chicken that would have just led to even more trauma for the children, for, of course. and as it is a kingdom with those children, some of them had been born there on did gone through war 3 hunger bombing ray. i lived tom and he thought that had left its mark on that on these inner too, and many were seriously traumatized. oh, for you than to add to that trauma by separating them from their remaining parent led him to blindness or me. that was unacceptable. and he should finish up the the court agreed ruling. the children had to be repatriated with their mothers. but still nothing happened. langley, biggest wish is that we leave together,
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but if that's impossible, that at least the children should go nagging. mike had hoped that he no longer had to worry about. no, no ha, and his grandchildren. but month after month passed, until finally, a german delegation went to syria. though the 2 countries had no diplomatic relations, the visit helped push. oh, very early. i don't know exactly what time to kurdish women came in to my tennessee . oh, well then let's go yellow, yellow, let's go. yeah, you have 10 minutes of schedules. dorothy me not said lenovo to other german women and a total of 12 german children were flown out of syria. but the flight didn't go according to plan stig. we got very quiet and hardly move till good. so then she started twitching, let her head, and could only look up to one side on that was alarming. and the pediatricians from germany who were on the flight, came over at isn't before, gave her an injection. and oxygen over,
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they did everything they could armonk on homes. he could tell when it happened again, we made an emergency landing. come, he is a son with landlord. they landed in vienna, mother. suddenly my baby was gone and we continued on and i had no choice just passed it i it's and when the shed up did i and i had no idea what would happen in vienna to which she die without me by her side. and how could this happen? things can end like this stuff. i was really afraid she die and i never get to see the 3 of us together here safely living a normal life even kona i am sca shelf, but we made it in my 4 friends or did you just imagine and syria,
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she was half star was the i had another way of going a month if i had something for her, papa sent me money in which i used it by milk and hodge of al from quanto was alonzo. and but she refused it all and kept vomiting. also nora and o has. i've managed to keep her alive on my own now we've been though every one in the camp was against me. come, no man in corn, suzanne together with the kurds. i managed to keep maria going eggs. that voice kicked out and clumps. then we're finally on our way almost home tonight and you see the doctor start to talk amongst themselves quietly. there was a that i couldn't hear it. a hint. i'm at the sound. it's getting worse. her life is in danger. we have to land enough men and all you can think of it so no. oh, mike went to vienna to get maria leo novas decision to join the i would follow the family for years. not too much, maria through, based on what we know now. it was almost a spontaneous, momentary decision to join the ins 1st trench went on was winston or the lunch or
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talk on to the not what followed was 7 years this week decision, but then it just dragged on and on through what it was a little me on that morning, all in the morning are to sit old didn't get much easier to she finally return kill . ah, a year has passed since leonor has returned to germany. she and her father are now back on a solid footing gun cut. if they were able to become closer by living apart, if it's been good for both of them, nano has trial on terrorism related charges is due to start in a week. she's hoping for a life sentence without prison time going back into custody would undo everything she's accomplished so far. her education
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driving lessons, her daily routine with her daughter uses idaho. any come, it's going well. must have turned on 1st. no hostility from any one. wow. and say what your daughter is, my daughter's daycare no way. sadly or as but as nathan, we had our 1st parents evening where we talked about everything then happy at us and i just decided to mention in the middle is gone. i didn't plan it, it was spontaneous. as dang exact of i said in late january, you will probably see me on the news again because my trial will get underway. have you done any final thoughts of i started crying and the other mothers also got tears in their eyes was poor will call. they gave me a lot of support. mccann called they said that i shouldn't worry about them. they never had any bad thoughts about me. yeah. me oh, developed and very welcoming and adding me to their whatsapp, cru, gama little little things like that. make me really happy quickly. i don't want people to say, oh,
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i feel so sorry for you needed. i definitely don't want that about i just want them to let me be fun. why doesn't me ever less go away so they accept you as you are leo. know her says she regrets what she did, but will that be enough? in late january 2022, her trial began behind closed doors since she was being tried as a minor leah nor had testified at length almost 4 months later, the verdict was issued. though it was not yet final. immediately afterwards she called her father. hallo. and i'm out on probation. the vehicle? hey, can you hear me? i got probation. i don't have to go to jail. was an issue giving. huh?
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earlier that's wonderful. it's, it's finally over ups. when we can finally put this behind us, papa, i would rather than i'll let you get some sleep. now i can sleep. i haven't even shaved. this is all going on tv. i look like a bomb this. i love you, papa. so much. oh, well, joe. got half a dozen pion. i hope that in a few years i'll have both of my children and may be a partner with a good job man. that will have a house and live an ordinary life. mileage long running is just like a totally normal person. minch. do you think you deserve that toilet clara? good question. a sack as ever my i would say yes. now yes, to be honest, unless you allison can get select, it might sound a bit well,
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that's where she thinks to help. but i understand what i did was wrong on to say, thought it's not like i'm saying or me or making excuses for my love on kind of in zone. i know what i did is wrong, and i'm learning from it's also and still learning calls. mm ah ah oh, art a more in depression ah, musicians from ukraine and felonies continue to resist. and they're giving rousing
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