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it has been one of the most controversial, even dangerous unresolved points of contention over breaks. if northern ireland and its relationship to the european union, the u. k. and to the rest of the island of iron or to day you k prime minister receive soon act said that he has achieved what has eluded perhaps, even eviscerated prime ministers before him. an agreement on northern ireland that will ensure peace as well as trait to night, a brag it break through that could possibly also break breaks it. i bring off a berlin. this is the day. ah, we have now made a decisive break for the new winter famous respect and protect our respective market today's agreement to live as smooth flowing trade within the whole united kingdom. it protects that very hard burn piece game of the belfast.
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good friday agreement protects the northern islands place and our union. we cannot open a new chapter in our office. also coming up a ukrainian o maker on the war and how it has changed europe, especially germany, considered the words of german transfer all of sholtes from one year ago. i've been with us, i don't with the attract new crane. we have, i entered the new era in key if that he shot odessa and maria's old, your people, and i just didn't need the whole 9, but they are fighting for free. i meant that democracy will cut people values here that we share with them. title. i'm pleased to report that we have now made a decisive break through the united kingdom and european union may have had our differences in the past, but we are allies trading partners and friends. this is the beginning of
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a new chapter in our relationship. that was a british prime minister there doing something that 3 prime ministers before him could not completing the business. it breaks it down reviewers watching on p b. s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a question for the british prime minister and his apparent success in moving brakes it closer to completion. how did he do it? the u. k voted in a referendum the brakes referendum to leave the european union 7 years ago since then. 3 british prime ministers have come and gone each of them unable to solve the northern ireland breaks it dilemma. now this goes back to 1998 the good friday agreement, a peace deal that ended decades of bitter and bloody sectarian violence in northern ireland. in part, by removing all signs of any land border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland, the peace deal was possible. as long as all of the island island of ireland was
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inside the european union. but breaks it, change that northern ireland is now out of the e. u. the republic of ireland remained inside and to treat the border between the 2 as a proper border with checkpoints, with risk and doing the good friday peace agreement. 3 british prime ministers tried to find a way around this, theresa may boris johnson lives. trust. all 3 fail. enter. the new prime minister re she soon act today. he apparently broke the breaks it curse or did he, let's go to london. our correspondent digger ross. she joins me because i want to talk about the new british prime minister just a moment, but let's just consider his words for a moment. he said today a new beginning in the u. k. 's relationship with the european union. the net for the last few years, a very tense relations can we say that we are now firmly putting those bad things behind us?
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those of us who've been following back said for the past 7 years. as you said, brenda, really there was a lot of talk to break the impasse over northern ireland as like squaring the circle. and the question is, is this the day re, she soon are definitely has a success underway? he had a different approach. he didn't threaten the european union, like some of his predecessors. he wasn't aggressive, he sort of tried to get a pragmatic deal over the line. and the you actually did grand, quite a lot of concession. so something that other british prime ministers had demanded they had demanded that goods that remain in northern ireland would not have to undergo checks that they would, you know, could just go into northern ireland. the other british prime ministers have demanded that, or had suggested that. but now the e u has made this major concession. so it's not the end of the rotors. yeah. news. it's one thing for rishi sooner can ursula on the line to agree on it. but he has
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to get it over the line. he has to get it over the line in his own parliament and also in northern ireland in order to get those institutions in northern ireland, up and running. we don't have a regional government there at the moment and this is because of breaks it. so re, she sooner still has work to do, but definitely a big, successful home to day. and how widely is it to be a good that the, the conservative, the brakes are tears and unionists. northern ireland are likely as a good beer, going to sign off on this new agreement so they will be pouring over the details at the moment as a debate in parliament and of the conservative breaks it tears in london as saying, well, we need to really see the small print office agreement because it's very, very technical. some of the details and people need to need time to study it. but on the other hand, it's also about identity, say, northern ireland, the peace process was, was such
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a stroke of genius because it made it possible for people in northern ireland to feel irish and have you british order to feel both this at the moment with brakes it was in jeopardy, so basically in a way blacks and reminded people all of their identities and, and, and of it drew up questions that, that were in the past with the peace process. so will people in northern ireland those who feel very, very british, will they accept that as still a role for the european court of justice? for example, that is the question. so some unionists have said this is absolutely and not something that they want to accept. and the, the home secretaries as well a braverman has also said that he, you cannot have a retain a foothold in northern ireland. and with his agreement, even though the u. e. u has made concessions, there's still some role for you institutions. i'm wondering how we got to
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today. i mean, you and i, we've talked countless times over the years about the northern ireland dilemma, the northern ireland protocol of theresa may tried to sob as she could. boys johnson could not live trust didn't stay in office long enough to try. so we've had 3 prime ministers and nothing. and now we have a new prime minister and all of a sudden it's almost, it looked like a love fest to day with she neck. and ursula funder lion. i mean, how did, how did the everything changed so dramatically? so i think that both sides really wanted to get an agreement to you so that there were really big problems in northern ireland. i think they recognize that they speak to people you politicians went over to northern ireland. i speak to people. and so the difficulty is that some businesses, for example, have in importing produce from mainland u. k. and that for,
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for businesses. but also for those who feel though they british was something that they just couldn't accept, that they couldn't get the same produce in the same way as other parts of the u. k . so it touched that on, on this identity issue. and i think the eu has recognized that. and then on the other hand, re, she's sooner he sees that the u. k. economy is in dire straits. he wants to have better relationships with his closest trading partner with the you. and he really wanted to have that success of both sides really wanted to have to steal. and they were really hope that this is going to fly, that the union is in northern ireland and the brakes tiers here in london, that they're not going to throw a spanner in the works of corresponded bigot laws. so on quite a day in the u. k. and the european union for that matter. very good. thank you. well, as we heard from be a good one of the major sticking points for union as and briggs, it's years has been the application of law from the european court of justice known
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as the e. c. j application about walton, northern ireland, ahead of today's deal. they said only british law should apply to the prob, it's now the leader of the union. it's d u p. political party says there are circumstances when it can be applied. take a listen. well of course the e c. j applies were e you law applies, and that's why i think a key focus for us in examining this agreement that will be added to determine what she new laws apply. in what circumstances do they apply and white they apply. what i'm saying is that the c j only applies where you law applies. so the key question is the application of, you know, joining me now is neo o doroty, professor of political science at the university of galway in ireland. professor, it's good to have you wear this. we just heard from the leader of the d. u p. unionist party there it seemed to it sounded to me that there may be some room at
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least for e u low in northern ireland. does that sound to you like they are coming around to accepting today's agreement? well, jesse tom donaldson is talking in terms of a couple of weeks of thinking about the agreement and rolling it over and studying the small print. but to day a colleague of his e and pays the junior an m p and the house of commons declared that he thought it wasn't going to work. and that storm would not be re established or the government would not be re established in northern ireland. for some time to come, so they're mixed messages coming from the d u p. m. what peter, or what jeffrey donaldson said about the european court of justice. it is interesting because initially opposition to the protocol was driven by the friction surrounding trade between great britain and northern ireland and was only at a later stage that union started talking about the e c. j as a central issue. and so that, that was added into the mix
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a little bit later and has been brought to prominence. and the danger i think is that there is in this new agreement, there is a mechanism that would allow 30 members of the 90 member assembly in northern ireland to challenge the application of u law and alert the british government to their dissatisfaction. jeffrey donaldson may see that as a mechanism by which unionists could repeatedly prevent e you laws from applying in northern ireland. and it's possible that that's those are the parent terms of what she's thinking and its own clear. yet how that mechanism will work with the mechanism you're referring to the, the, the parliament in westminster would have veto power over have it's called the emergency break. and it would allow the british government veto power over the application of e. you law to northern ireland. in certain cases it's meant to be very tightly
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restricted, but i think a lot of the detail remains to be teased out about that and already. and members of the, the non unionist majority in northern ireland. and we have to remember always that the majority of people in northern i'm voted to state in the european union, right, a majority or sympathetic to the special arrangements for northern ireland. but they are already signaling some kind of on ease at the idea that unionists might use this mechanism to repeatedly and you know, to make this a focus so of an ongoing conflict in northern ireland. i mean conflict in the sense of disagreement and dispute. so, but it remains to be seen how, how exactly will operate your and you know, as you are saying that this could also have implications on northern ireland regional government, which the d. p has been boycotting since last year. and the stability of that
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institution, i wanted to take a listen to what nationalist shin fades said and reaction to today's agree, meticulous. i think the people at home of a certain today and what the realization that a deal is and i done association is complete. i think that means a very quickly turn tonight. what does that mean for our local politics? and i think they're mindful very quickly turned a they only deny the right the executive table. that's where i'm ready to be. so professor, we hear there you have it, jen. st urging the d u p to return to government, saying that this is what the people of northern ireland want. it's what receive sooner the irish government and the european union wants. so will the d u p. respond to pressure to return to government? what do you think? there are indications that they may not and that the british government perhaps have realized that some time ago. and one great difficulty for the d p is that with sion fane and irish republican party now the largest party in the northern
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ireland assembly, shin fame would be entitled to the position of 1st minister. and for the 1st time since northern ireland foundation, 100 years ago, unionists would be a unionist, will be serving as a deputy 1st minister tuition saying 1st minister. now it actually they both have the exact same powers. but the difference in title is very important. symbolically, and the d u p is certainly concerned about the damage that would do the mo, their electron that they might lose support to more vociferous, more extreme voices within union, as an if they were to go back into government. which shouldn't fain us 1st minister . so is it possible professor to look at this and think that maybe we have the foundations laid here for several things that maybe we don't see it 1st. maybe the unification of the entire island of ireland, which would then put northern ireland and its people back to the european union. i
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mean, these are the things that no one is talking about right now. but could these be possible consequences from the deal that was announced today? i think that if ireland is or united, it's still some time away and you know, it may not happen at all. but you know, there's, there's a pretty clear majority in northern ireland still wants to stay within the united kingdom. the polls show that repeatedly, sometimes it's a smaller majority than others, but it looks like that majority will process for some time to come. but that sand if dysfunction continues, if a d p and unionists were for example, to work this new system in a, in a way where they repeatedly blocked things. it was certainly lead to disillusionment among the majority in northern ireland to did after all vote stay within the european union and are open to stronger ties with the republic of
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ireland. even if they don't support a united ireland. and what about the relationship between the iris government and and the u. k. b, they've obviously been put under tremendous strain since the brakes are referendum . what kind of relationship is doubling, looking for with the london? so some of the things i said have been sort of been a little on the negative side, but overall this is a great agreement from the perspective of the irish government. if the d u p don't accept it. well, that's disappointing, but it's perhaps expected on the part of, of all of those involved in, in the negotiations that, that will happen. think the irish government wants a very strong positive relationship with the united kingdom. and for that to happen, you need a very good relationship between the you and the united kingdom. and the great advantage of this agreement is that it does after 7 years of strife and struggle.
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and you know, people waiting for bags to finally to come to some kind of conclusion that this agreement is as close as we have come so far to finally settling relationships, then you relationship between the e u and the u. k. or putting it on a firmer basis for the future. your point is well taken because it's been a long time since we have seen smiles on officials from you in the u. k. meeting to talk about breaks. that is for sure. professor neal door to we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight. we appreciate your insights. thank you. thank you. oh, are you ably, no country and western europe has been more impacted by russia's invasion of ukraine than germany. the war forced germany to win itself from russian oil and natural gas practically overnight. germany also took
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a lot of fire last year for its cautious approach to supporting ukraine. you're a transfer, all of shoulds proclaimed one year ago that there was a new era for the country. we have more now, 5000 helmets. that was the help germany offered ukraine before russia invaded. then moscow attacked. within days, germany reversed its longstanding ban on sending weapons to conflict zones with a historic speech. when we didn't move ahead with the attack on ukraine with entered a new era in keith car, he's odessa and maria poll. your people are not just defending their homeland. they are fighting for freedom in their democracy to, for values that we share with them. that
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still cotton is democrats, is europeans. we stand by their side on the right side of history things i think assisted shots is government provided billions in financial and humanitarian aid voted in favor of sanctions against moscow and took in more than a 1000000 ukrainian refugees over the course of the year. and it started approving deliveries of defensive weapons, anti tank rockets, air defense systems, and armored vehicles, for example, for many ukrainians. however, that was not enough. in the early days of the war, some ukrainian officials felt germany's political establishment was too close to moscow. over the past decade shy, meyer established a spider web of contact with russia. many people who were involved in that now have a c in the german government. that's a reference. the german president,
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frank valdosta in maya. he had offered to visit ukraine in april last year. but keith declined. relations between berlin and kia were in the deep freeze. then long after other western leaders, chancellor shots made it to heave and german weapon deliveries started to pick up and make a difference on the battle ground. meanwhile, germany had to win itself off russian, coal, oil, and gas, and make sure there would still be enough energy for the winter ahead. soaring energy bills put the public's will to support ukraine to the test. others feared their country could be dragged into the war itself. germany has recently pledged to send the main battle tank scheme has long been asking for one year on from russia's invasion. berlin is now one of ukraine's biggest backers.
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i'm joined now by a familiar face to arbor view. worse kiera. roodick is a member of the ukrainian parliamentary leader of the political party, holos and keith here is good to have. you were this. we've talked many times. now we're talking as the war enters. it's 2nd year, one year on germany, being one of ukraine's biggest backers, is the criticism that it did too little too late. is that criticism still valid? hello brand, thank you so much for having me. well indeed, germany has shown probably their massive progress from helmets tool, the weapons that we really, really need being one of the leaders of the tank whole ition. we do not like to look back. we need to look forward to this matter of her physical survival for us. so right now what we need to do is to strengthen those ties and make sure that he,
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we figure out not only the way of how ukraine with the war, but also how the new security system would look like. where we hope the germany would be one of our strongest allies knowing and understanding what is the price of the piece in europe? well, you know, thinking about this security architecture, how would you characterize relations between your country and germany right now? i again, i think there are a lot of potential there are figuring out on 1st when we would, when the warm because it will have them massive impact on, on all their consequences and 2nd on how who germany see it's role in nature and european union and how,
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how good this new security system all compliment his ideas. you see, we learned that leadership is not only taking a for a staff, but also thinking a lot of responsibility and a lot of expenses. and that, of course, are good. would her mean to ask the german people of what they want for their country? i don't know if you saw the images on this past weekend, but here in berlin, there were more than 10000 people who gathered in front of the random brigade. i'm calling for peace negotiations with russia. they were saying, you know, we would rather see the go she ations than weapons deliveries. what would be your message to these people who said the ukrainians need to go to the negotiating table right now? my question would be, ah, what of who would be in assurance that putting will keep his part of the deal
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simple as that you have heard put in pulling over their nuclear deal just because he decided that it's inconvenient for him. so if, for example, we go to the negotiation table and we have a peace deal and it's broken tomorrow, it will have the impact not only on the country, which we know that it will happen, but it will also have an impact on germany and on everybody in europe and in the whole world, they find that we are fighting right now is not only for our freedom. we are fighting against a precedent that one country can attack. and now the sovereign country and that its territory is committed some of the most of the war crime from the list. and then a get away with that. is this the future that the old one to live at is something that we're building for our next generation? i don't think so. and this is why we are fighting for these values, european values. that means so much for the via putting our life at stake. i would
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love to talk to people who have that different opinions to be able to proceed them because it's very easy to say all, let's talk to dictator. yeah. when there is no sign, they want to get a tap talk be a put in was very open that he's rebuild russian empire. and he did the change from his plan kiera like as always your, we appreciate you taking the time to talk we're, this is good to see. we get. thank you. thank you and laurie to ukraine. the day is almost done, the conversation that continues aligned your find us on twitter either at d. w. news. you can follow me on twitter at brent gov tv. and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody ah,
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