ah, in the us state of florida, the republican governor rhonda de santis is on a mission some would say to become the next you as president. he says to fight the woke agenda woke as an extreme left wing progressive intent on smoking out america's innate social injustices. and if you dare to disagree, they say you'll get cancelled tonight from the left, from the right with no in between america's politics. they seem as polarized as ever, i'm brit, dothan, berlin, this is the day ah, we fight the low in corporate america, this fringe of the republican party positioning itself against business, which is contrary to the very goals that the republican party has long health,

the work executives i don't know what the hell they're doing because ultimately this is bad for business. we fight the woke in schools. this anti lock message is effective because it's certainly easy for people to understand. we in florida, we'll never ever surrender to the woke mod also coming up and coded 19 and the pandemic. we still don't know for sure where the corona virus came from. or do we, you know, it could have been a still over event from animals into humans directly. would it have been a potential virus in the lab that i unintentionally infected workers there that then spread it in a will never know when to our viewers watching on p b. s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a cartoon named dilbert and a cartoonist out of work last week, scott adams, the man who created one of the miracles, best known cartoons, dilbert,

he went live on youtube and he accused black americans of being a hate group against white americans. so if you're nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll, not according to me. according to this poll, that's a hate group as a group. and i don't want to have anything to do with them. and i would say, you know, based on the current way things are going, the best advice i would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people. with the fall out was fast and furious. hundreds of newspapers dropped dilbert saying they wanted nothing to do with the racist rants of scott adams, twitter owner, ellen musk. he immediately picked up the story tweeting for a long time. the u. s. media discriminated against blacks now. the u. s. media are

being racist against whites and asians. and polls is so more and more white americans feel that they have become the target of racism. public opinion echoed by the world's richest man, and by the man many republican se could be the next u. s. president tankless, we've really been fighting this woke agenda across the board in the state of florida. we fight the road in corporate america. we fight the walk in schools and we fight them. what woke in the halls of the legislature in tallahassee. we in florida. we'll never ever surrender to the woke mom. arrived from the governor of the sunshine state. we want to go now to washington d. c. to shed some light on america's polarized politics and its people. to do that, i'm joined now by liz choker, she's a political scientist, liz, it's good to see you again. and let's talk about brian to santa's. here he has been described as a younger version of donald trump. a. is he tapping into that?

that trump base by going after what he calls the woke agenda. he's definitely trying to tap into some base it's. it's the idea why? because if anything from the midterms in the last 2 years has shown that fringe, that base is, is not producing results. he's absolutely going after sound bites, he's going after trigger issues instead of having concrete policies. because notice he says, well, and he's very vague about what that means in the past. he's shifted what that means to be convenient to what he's saying at the moment. so he's trying to get people on emotion. he's trying to tap into folks without saying this is what i'm going to do for you. but instead of anger, you're up here and create an us versus then mentality to hopefully drive a base to the polls. and we have to say that the sand is, he's not flirting with fringe groups here. i was looking at pure research. they've

found that 40 percent of all americans say that white now face some discrimination in the united states. so raise as a wedge issue. that's nothing new, but when does it go beyond politics? liz: i mean, when are we talking about the glue of society crumbling away? so it's not a race, it's not a french issue that isn't imbued in the fabric of what it means to be american. is this struggle we have with this it systematic racism. but what he's flirting with is a fringe way of approaching that wrench issue. he is using it again to create this polarization to creating us versus them when in reality we are all american. and that is where we start getting at the fabric of american society. we have marjorie taylor green saying maybe red states ships a seed. we literally fought a war about that. so what he's doing is he's taking an issue that is blank across

america across red cross blue democrats. conservative of we struggle with how to deal with race and equity in this country. but he is taking a fringe approach in making it very aggressive. yeah, i mean that's an interesting take it. and i'm wondering, i know that republican commentators they keep saying de santis is going to and l just can't to see which of course he hasn't done that. do you see the, do you see this attack on the woke agenda? is that the foundation for what will probably be a presidential candidacy launch? absolutely, he is positioning his health. he in flagstaff for president. trump is great at marketing. he's great selling himself. he cleaned up in the mid terms, including in counties that went for biting in 2020. he had amazing results. and so

he is creating a platform that will be run by emotion that will be run by this wedge issue. the question they have to contend with is our primary voters, the same people who are or general voters. and this is an issue that's been plaguing both parties, but assess, especially when we looked the republicans this may drive out a certain kind of face, but is they going to also alienate a bunch of independent or centrist voters, say american general election seat. and ms. wendy, when is do we see among american voters a threshold reached. we hear time and time again, voters who we would, i guess we would say or middle of the road saying that they would like a politicians to focus less on race, less on identity politics and more on like like you were saying the issues, you know, if social security going to be secure on our streets, safe issues like that when so when does i guess that racial identity,

when does it be hit the the law of diminishing returns for politicians. that's an interesting way to put it. i think one of the things that we can see is not just raised my identity, but when you french kind of cultural signals versus actual policy issues. whether that also we're talking about the women's right to choose. we're talking about a lot of the said social issues, and i think we can see that in the results of 20202022, where we saw white. we saw suburban, we saw centrist voters going away, no one predicted, of going back towards for democrats and centrist politicians. and so these boats can really stroke your base if that's a small congressional district, or that's a contest, you know, very controversial primary. but the vast majority of voters who make it out for election day have started signaling for years. now. we want something more substantial and not just wedge issues. there's,

i want to ask before we run out of time, we're talking about a possible presidential candidate. the election, the presidential election is in november of next year. it's a long time from now. are we doing the, the democratic democratic process a disservice by almost fetishizing, the horse racing of political campaigns? absolutely, absolutely. i'm so glad you asked that question. i saw post today from yet another anti low on to be or who's announcing, and they say he's going to run against trump. that is 18 months away. do we need to be giving this person a platform before they're actually tested? so it absolutely creates a frenzy creates a reality show and it creates more polarization for the american people. yeah, a reality tv show, i can understand it better on their live show because always it's, it's good to see. we appreciate your time and your insights. thank you. thank you. ah,

the war in ukraine is not just being fault on the battlefield, but there is also an information war that is taking place on line. this information has been an issue since before the war began last year. now, a new item of fake news has gone viral and social media that the war in ukraine is a big hoax perpetuated by western media western countries. that's right. they claim that there is no war in ukraine. the law is being propagated mainly by right wing sources, such as this one. now this tweet has been viewed 5300000 times. you get that since it was posted just 3 days ago. we're not revealing the source and we blurred the profane language in the tweet, but the, the claim that the war is a hoax is based on what the people posting say is a lack of video footage from the front. why it's blaming. carrasco rodriguez is

a senior investigator at the center for information resilience in london. and it's good to have you with us. among the 1st questions people ask when they see something like this going viral is whether this is coordinated and if so, who is behind it? i mean, what have you discovered in trying to, you know, provide answers to those questions? well, i mean, it is a very important question. and i would say that in general terms, there is a significant level of coordination. when we look at the spread of russian information about the full scale invasion of ukraine, like this one, there is also a component of organic amplification, but there's definitely a significant level of coordination behind things like s december coordination be then it starts on the 24th february 2022 techniques aren't much different from before the invasion. so russia has built over the years. so networks, so international proxies that translates from the narratives into their domestic

languages and shared them across different social media platforms to amplify the content. so these actors, lenders information using different techniques to manipulate audiences such as the artificial application by next for fake persona. so most of the engagement i related to this particular case might be also just like like increased by afaik account persona that i mean chris platform and also the creation. blendy pulls content like fatal letters that we've also seen recently around defense, which on the platforms like twitter or telecom, can we, can we talk about some countries in particular that are being targeted most yes, but it is difficult to tell. so, because i'm in russia, information implants efforts are spread globally and some narratives are more effective in some information environments than others at the beginning of the full

scale invasion. some countries like the u. s. on most of the european countries demonstrate that high levels of resilience and depression information. so russian is information efforts a where more targeted at like, like a regional or different regions like asia late in america or the middle east. however, us being patient progressed on we're partake increase triggered also by the we thought weapon, the sation of narratives, like the energy, the global government crisis. european countries became again the targets, especially neighboring countries and countries neighboring ukraine. and those who are hosting high get number of refugees. so it is difficult to tell it's global, but it has gone through the from faces throughout the nation. i would say would, is the most successful example of fake news that you've discovered online concerning the war in ukraine? i'm not sure if i would say successful,

but definitely the most aggressively pushed and harmful pools narrative has been a sci fi cation of ukraine, which is russia has not only used to provide a moral ground invasion, but also to justify that tricity is committed by wrestle guessing ukraine, so i mean, and so when our team, for example, is investigating human rights abuses or crimes in ukraine using other sources. we have come across testimonies of survivors that recall how russian occupiers mean that they were looking for nazis when committing potential. were christ, though, definitely not the most successful. definitely. and then the most time i went to show you a tweet that appeared a few days ago. and it's a tweet that a bill, bruce announced a russian early warning aircraft used in the war in ukraine had been damaged by belushi, an anti war partisans at an airport near mintz. now there's been no confirmation that this happened. russia denies that it occurred. the tweet came from an adviser

to the bell room in opposition. leaders with lana to hung of sky. is that an example of dis, information, but this time against russia? i'm afraid i haven't investigated myself. is particular case, i cannot speak about it. i have to say that ukrainian a strategic medications have been extremely effective after their 1st innovation. but they have mainly been focused in sharing a real footage on russian actions in the ground price by russian soldiers and disseminating powerful and multi messages on resilience and defiance of the ukrainian people. you know, i think i to, with this okay, when you, when you talk about resilience, how much of it comes down to how sophisticated citizens are in a country, how sophisticated they are when it comes to consuming media and news. is that what

we're talking about levels of sophistication? well, yeah, i mean you could call it the vacation mediately, tara c, but definitely there's a huge component of how educated in fake news on this information. they and citizens, for a particular country that consume like certain content are. so i think that i mean like their, their efforts to increase mediately to see in like a globally, for example, let's say they're like the same social media platforms, right? like when they are labeling media, they are trying to educate the population about the type of information that they are consuming. and that even might be following like a line or like a particular bias. that makes sense. yeah, it does in it's definitely talking about this with you bell and building and tell us where rodriguez with the center for information resilience in london. please

come back and i'm sure there'll be plenty of reasons to talk again. thank you. definitely. thank you very much. ukraine's president brought him his zalinski. he has warranted that the situation for ukrainian forces in the embattled eastern city of buck mote is getting more and more difficult. russian troops have been trying to capture the city for 6 months now. recently, they've stepped up their assault in a bid to encircled the city and the losses. they have been huge on both sides. they're fighting for every corner of this newly destroyed city. batman has become yet another symbol of ukraine's resistance against the invaders. it soldiers have been holding the front line for months, but russian attacks have become more intense in recent days. gordon, do you move quote meliss and you could say every house and every street is covered in our blood hill area. as pro lays our artillery isn't managing to suppress. there

are tailor you on the actual knee. we have a lack of ammunition. you lack of professional drones that can conduct reconnaissance. so if we see new drawing of you give them only saw that there was vehicle battle, it has limited strategic value, but his capture would be a major symbolic victory for the russian army. and the wagner's group of mercenaries which appear to have put their differences aside. essentially, we have seen that, you know, in, in the political sphere it seems that wagner tried to contest the ministry of the fans. however, as of now we're seeing that on the battlefield, they're still trying to achieve a common military strategic objective. most of the cities, nearly 70000 residents, have long left bartlett, soldiers and volunteers has till taken some people to safety. a few choose to stay

. this is so long as my home is intact, silly and so long as i'm not hurt. what quick are some on? don't to stay here any more girls, ruth isn't with them. the scale of the destruction becomes clear when seen from above. but as bottom would known as art yarmouth during the soviet times may be about to be taken over the seat is defenders are trying to keep their spirits high doors with i was thinking maybe i'll turn on the radio and listen to some music. so i'm not poor turns love land on the radio. i heard ukrainian soldier will give up. art yamazik has been taken by russians. leave your positions and surrender real, spare you with. and i was like the yeah, sure into while i'm driving through back loot and i'm going to surrender equal with the south. funny thing with resources running low and overwhelming attacks these

soldiers are determined to make the russians pay a heavy price for battlement. ah, the chinese government has accused the united states of hyping reports that b corolla virus emerged from a laboratory in the city of wu han, back in 2019. they say that washington is politicizing. the issue a gene was responding to a u. s. federal agency that fines the pandemic probably started from a leak at the laboratory. the u. s. department of energy made that assessment in a classified intelligence report. the department is responsible for running several laboratories in the us that are investigating the virus or poland. now arthur capitol, he's director of medical ethics at, in why use language medical center in new york city, professor tablets. good to see you again. you know,

we've spoken numerous times in this pandemic. obviously the question always came back. where did they come from? now we've got a u. s. agency saying, well, it probably was an accident in the lab and the response i would've expected it to have been bigger than, than it has been. are you surprised at how muted it seems the response has been well 1st, thanks for having me back. i'm not surprised because the report basically said we can't rule out last week. and they didn't really say it is the last week, even from that agency report. and we've got many, many other experts and reports that are still pointing toward some type of transmission from animals in the so called wet markets. where are people who might deal with exotic intervals? so it put the issue back on the table, but it's far from settle. is it an issue grounded in

any type of medical facts or are we dealing with what we know is the case, many times politics here that is bleeding over into every other field. when we're talking about the united states and china, it's politics. look, china could help settle all of this if they would let a legitimate, independent international group in to do a thorough investigation. you may remember there was an attempt to do an investigation. the chinese didn't let them investigate. so thanks for showing up here and basically said time to go so they could help settle this issue if they were of a mind to do so. in the us context, plenty of politics. people want to blame china for the break and they'd love to say that it was some type of biological research on weapons that has led to the leak.

even if there was a leak. we don't know if it was a weapons program or just somebody studying a dangerous virus. so the politics is driving this a lot and if it were an accident in the lab in whoo, honda, i mean, i guess we're asking too much for chinese authorities to admit that an accident took place that would mean losing face. and i don't think we're going to see that out. my being am i expecting to less? i guess it's my question to you. well, i have to say i don't think so. i think the chinese, particularly with the state of affairs with america right now, they're not inclined to admit to an accident. however, it might have happened. i don't even think they're inclined to admit that it could have taken place in a market just because people consumed or read some virus that was out there in a live market. i. i'm going to have to say,

i don't think we're going to get an answer to this question. it's an important issue because it helps prevent future pain damn x. but i don't know that we're going to get it resolved well and future pandemic this. this in difference that we see, or maybe the cynicism that's out there concerning the origins of the corona virus. what does this port 10 for future pandemic? so, are we going to think, you know, our public health officials are crying wolf when they're not? is a big danger and i worry that if we don't do sufficient animal surveillance, what's going on with bats? what's happening when people move into the rain forest and get exposed to animals that we were never as a human population exposed to. these viruses are going to sneak up on us and cause us more harm than they should. similarly, if our labs are not really safe, if we haven't really done around the world, what we need to do to prevent any source of a leak. well, that's

a danger as well. so we know what the coven epidemic did to us, but we're acting as yes. well, we don't really care. we're going to let ignorance and a lack of respect to the science guidance into the future. not a good position, not a good position. and i hope that that is not what is going to happen. i hope we find our way back to science sooner rather than later. arthur kaplan, director of medical ethics in why use language medical center in new york city professor captain is always good to see. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you for the day's almost done the conversation that continues online. you'll find this on twitter either at w news. you can follow me on twitter at brent golf tv. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody

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