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weekdays on d, w. ah, with no gravity, no atmosphere, with an endless vacuum of radiation, dust, magnetic fields, and amazing celestial bodies where earth ends and the universe begins. space. the final frontier astrophysicist doctors was not on dar, is training to take on the stars. the mission hasn't really changed from the beginning . the mission is to send the 1st female chairman astral to space. and it is actually quite interesting. i mean, i've always described myself as a feminist. so i've always been very much for a quality and saying women should be equal to men and men should be doing more this,
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this, this, but i never realized until i started with this program. how extremely women are still being discriminated against in germany, in particular. susanna, honda has space in her soul and stars in her eyes. a scientist. she's fighting 21st century patriarchy so she can touch the sky. oh, a designer and i wanted to be the 1st german woman in space. so i was always just fascinated by space. and i'm not sure why, because like,
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no one in my family is in the remote is interested in space. why do you remember when i was about 8 or 9? and this is really a vivid memory. it's one of these memories. i think that you make many repeat yourself so many times they become read and grind, a nick adams. i was sitting at our breakfast table and we get this newspaper. the cleaner starts ida, and i remember seeing this really bad, black and white fight in the newspaper. it showed the surface of focus. kobus is one of the moons of moss. and i was just actually looking at this. i was like, wow, this spaceship has actually gone there and it's wanted to take photos of the surface. and that was a moment for me when it clicked. it's not a that we can also go that. and from that point on i really became fascinated in earnest with space. susanna watches the space, x lodge, maybe one day she'll be on board. it's got the peanuts there. good luck. it's customary nasa mission controls always have both been us for good luck. re astronaut a
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. i was never that good at mass of physics at school till really, really late. i mean, i was much more the art c, music hall, linguistic type m as those were the things that were encouraged and that i was good as well. and actually i had a bit of a dilemma because i really, i was fascinated by space. and i knew i wanted to do something with space, but i always thought i'm not good at math or physics and that's just not going to happen for me. that was really how i spent most of my use. and then i got a lucky break and away in 10th grade. so when i was about 16, i guess 15 or 16, i had a really motivated physics teacher. and somehow from like one week to the next, i went from being at best mediocre physics or to be really quite good because i was interested because i was motivated to also give my best and to met to work at it.
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and all of a sudden i realized these categories that people put you in, you know, you can't do this, you're good at this and you're bad at that various categories. the other people want to make up. they're not necessarily a true reflection of your in abilities. a lot of people will say i've got to he must be a smart man. i've got ph. d because i'm pig headed because you know, i, i bulldozed myself through this because i forced myself to stick at it. not because i'm so smart when it's ready and that's what ph d does for you. really. i think forms your capacity to prevail against the odds. susanna has taken an unconventional path to become an astronaut. she's not connected to an international space agency like isa the european space agency. rather, she's part of a private organization called d as to now to which hopes to send germany's 1st female astronaut into space.
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that's why she's kept her job at the european southern observatory. that means she's training alongside her full time job. mm. so basically in my position, isa, my job is kind of split. i'm an arc astronomer off is the alma regional center. so i was the tell escape itself, these the antennas that are in chile, and we have this regional center in gushing, say my main job is supporting the other astronomers that are using our and your and then a bit decoupled from that. as my own personal research, and then once a twice here what she go to the telescope. the european southern observatory, or ear so sits 5000 meters above sea level on the chalk, montoya plateau in the chill lane andes. that's part of my role, alma and i will take observations again for other people on with tele stay. there
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is purely in service mode, which means that the people that want the observations don't actually travel themselves, but they have people like me, the travel for them that know the telescope, no technical details, but then execute the observations, make sure the data, okay, and then send them the data the alma telescope is part of one of the highest astronomical observatories in the world. this is one of the world's driest places to allow. and i said, when i said at this altitude, suzana has to carry oxygen for the drive. this is a delta dental vehicle and do you know i drove into you or not from nevada? oh boy, you know from up here the astronomers have an incomparable view of the stars.
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but the working conditions are tough. ammonia, jenna, when hannah yoda machine to close on the chest to undergo a medical checkup when she reaches the top of the mountain. the observatory is so high up that sues on his blood. oxygen has to be monitored. and the film team has to carry oxygen. isn't with st. alma is a state of the art telescope that studies light from the darkest depths of our universe. the telescope consists of 66, high precision antennae spread over 16 kilometers. alma is the world's most powerful telescope for observing molecular gas and dust. the essential components of stars, planets, and galaxies. from the engineering side, of course,
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our is incredible. we have 66 antennas that are working together. and there were a lot of problems at the beginning to do with the altitude as well as snow storms, as high winds. since i was engineering, it's a huge fate. and, but for me really, what spectacular up there is, is probably the natural landscape. there's nothing growing at 5000 meters rights is really big on another planet. and you have trouble breathing at the beginnings you have to get used to the altitude. it's really just an experience that come as completely outside of your comfort zone or your normal environment. few places on earth resemble mars or the mood as much as the geography surrounding the alma telescope with it was always in the back of my mind that i would like to be an astronaut, but it's not something you actively pursue. right. you have to wait for a position to be advertised, basically. so in 2008,
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i saw an advert that isa the european space agency. they were looking for a new generation of astronauts. i just moved to munich. i had just my ph. d. couple of years because i didn't have very much well experience and i decided anyway, i would apply because these kind of job advisements come out every 15 years or so. i say it was really a unique opportunity and i applied on foot. i didn't get very far because basically i was very naive. i just didn't prepared myself. i made it to the 1st round, which any 10 percent of people made it into a toss. i mean that was already in the chief meant that rather than say ok, i'm going to give it my best shot. i just kind of thought, oh, it's like an intelligence test. i can't really do much and i'll just see. and then of course, i flunked the tests completely, i really rated myself for many, many years. i was really upset with myself that i just threw away that chance reading and 2016 i saw this advert on online,
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which is one of the big german online newspapers i tend to read. and i saw that if you for the 1st female german astronauts as well. okay, cool. yeah, i might have a chance and i thought, well, even if i don't, doesn't matter. i've been so upset. i was so upset with myself growing up last time, i just pay for it. so in the end i sent in my application. just one other thing in behind romford starts up, designed to get on to the thought of the city astra. now to is the only space start up in europe that focusing on astronaut missions and marketing space flights. when i saw the 1969 moon landing on t v, i knew i wanted to be an astronaut. i'd never have thought that 50 years later. there would still be no german woman in the space. i might have done it. i've spoken to many politicians and heads of space agencies and they all agreed, but they said they couldn't do anything because they would know women in germany
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trained for this guy in the last is the selection in 2009. no german women were among the final candidates, is that the one that members at the selection criteria was sent by men coming to the selection committee and documents were very strongly male dominated. i listened to all that for a while. at the time i was managing director for personnel agency for aerospace engineers. finally i'd had enough of that conversation for you. so i took things in hand to myself, imposed to the job for the 1st female jim and astronaut has opened the us at our child for not after a while. they said, oh ok m you made it through the 1st round. we'd like to actually meet you, you have to fill in all these preliminary forms. and then after, i think about 6 months after i had applied, i then went for 1st series of tests for the national flexion. and these were really quite tough tests. i had a bit of an advantage maybe because i knew it was coming because i had been to
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those tests in 2000 and 8 am. so i knew or the some basic as for myself, okay, i'm gonna do whatever i can. and if i don't make it, if i'm not smart enough, whatever, fine, but i'm actually going to get my best shot this time. and i really prepared so there's all kinds of different questions. this ranges from basic english, which really was quite easy as they had to do an english test. and then you do the math test, basic physics questions. then there are all kinds of just general cognitive tests. we had test the spatial awareness those washy for me among the most difficult ones . they had to do things like you had m. he had a di and that be across one side of the dike and the deep nothing else. any of the other sites and the needs, this was all acoustic. see it here, okay? the cross to the top and then there is a sequence of movements. so that's a forward forward, back, left, right, right forward back. where is the cross? now?
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that was something that had actually in the test in 2008th and the i just was completely, i mean i just, i'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons i didn't make it to the next round. basically i completely from down that one. i just, i was like, come, i mean i had no idea. i'm actually something you can train very well. so i did for like 3 weeks for this test, i actually trained this. i made myself my own exercises right and worked out where the course should be recorded them to myself and then just practice this ad nauseum . and they helped say, i mean all of these things can be trained. and after the 1st round, they went down to 31 and 3 people made it 3. but then the 2nd round, it was a bit more subtle. the 2nd round was more psychological. it was really psychological tests. so they had a bunch of psychologists interviewing you. then you had teamwork exercises that be
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this exercise where a conflict would be artificially generated and they wanted to see how you respond to the conflict. actually after that round, i was completely convinced that i had screwed up completely. i threw away all my application materials because i was convinced that was there. i was out. i didn't want to remind her of this at all. and i just went to bed and i was working fine. and then 2 days later they were like, oh you made it to the next round of my what? so my 1st reaction was like there's been a mistake, but then i thought i'd be stupid to point out mistake or it. so i just are ok if that's what you think. fine. so the 1st thing i went was i ran down to the seller to care for the application materials because they had all kinds of codes for the medical tests and whatever was supposed to keep right. and i was really lucky that the rubbish hadn't been taken out basic. and i managed to retrieve from on the piles of other people's rubbish. a lot less, it was only the wastepaper race. it wasn't that disgusting. i managed to reached retrieve my application details. there were 8 that was selected after this
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psychological tests from 30 went down to 8 of the psychological tests. what came after that was the medical test? was that basically just test in every part of the body. and there was a very strong focus on the ice, so that about half a day of i tests, you know, all kinds of things, night vision and peripheral vision. all kinds of things. but basically just test that you are healthy. and then after these medical tests, which lasted 3 days, there was 66 hours the aids made it through the medical tests. and those were the finalists that were then kind of presented to the public oh 00 one
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with a new bottle who's working for you all to come so close and to have invested so much and then to have it snatched away from you is yeah, really difficult, it was one of the worst days of my life. i but it was definitely i think one of the most difficult days but not so much the day was that it was the entire period that followed. i think because also i was very much a little bit deflated because i thought i kept that so much into this and you know, a lot of mike was planning for the future. had been put on hold because i was and i fully invested in and this whole selection process and then all of us another okay, i'm back to, you know, the old thing and my where my really going with my job. but of course i was like okay, wow. yeah, so i'm here, i'm back where i started after a year of intensive preparation. my, what am i gonna do now?
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so actually i had talked to my boss who's fantastic. he was very understanding throughout the whole thing. and i said, look, we have these partners in japan, and i was rolling out new software, this aqua around the globe, basically. so i said, look, maybe it would work if i go to japan for couple of months, you know, get to know my japanese colleagues better, help them with a software. and for me personally, just get away from germany and from all the media and from everybody asked me questions. so i'm luckily here, great i'm, i mean he thought it was going to be a good for the apartments for my professional development, which in the end it was, i say he let me go to japan basically, and i was away for 2 and a half months bases just to get away from things i get new ideas into my minds. just see different people have nobody know about the astral thing basically. so our bases just escaped. i think that was the my thing. and then ironically, the way it is sometimes just as i had got to japan, i've been in japan for
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a couple of weeks. i'd started forgetting about it. it was so exciting being in japan was i was different foods, i couldn't understand anything. so i had loads of other things on my mind and that's when i got the email. and i just got this email saying, oh, do you still want to be an astronaut? nikolai has quit, actually waited a couple of hours just to let it sink in. and then our response, i yeah, shall i'm him. and then it went from huh. ah, it feels i fight healthy sand from the buyer on. we've been at it since 2017 now and have started training the astronaut back then we actually thought that the german government, all the space agencies would jump on board fairly quickly and support the project manager. sadly, that hasn't happened yet, but we're struggling through them. if we financed all the training privately so far,
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and it's continuing steadly, financier, it's wonderful. gives us finding should 85 ah ah, info t like is the 2nd astronaut trini. the married mother of 3 is a professional meteorologist. it's been that long fat now, of course. excellent. my father base travel has always been in my life. my father went into space on s t s 99 and was a specialist on the shuttle radar topography mission, which is the topography data set of the earth that i used to my ph. d in bangladesh . now that's why i became an astronaut. things i've always watched what goes in to being an astronaut for this, not only the space flight, but all the science and research behind actual on i thought me, my fascinates, i've always found it fascinating with us and exciting that learning so incredibly
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much and constantly pushing the borders of the possible vision vehicles hunter thought it was all. thank heaven. we couldn't be much taller. it's really comfortable. but there's not that much room for our height. it's perfect. ah, they, i give you maximum fun of the initial response was very, very skeptical that many in the space travel field, both in the d l on and the isa said it was a crazy idea that the, the, i don't think that's true any more. i think were taken very seriously in the international aerospace industry because we've been around so long because we've proven ourselves as a company in resistance to the venture
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and to the plan to send a german woman into space means the astronaut training program is privately funded . it relies on donations and proceeds from lectures. the muslim that says was on all floods, thigh. susanna came in 3rd place behind nicholas bowman and 1st an insert in 2nd effect. so nicholas ins went into training and straight down um from the in late 2017 miss bauman left for personal reasons, love ive been gone jobs catching up on the little dana that, suzanna rejoined the program. and to school shop incredibly quickly of when i michelle off your really thrown herself into the training to establish the flying a hang at the moment, wedding training and part time. so i'm still working my normal job rate for 50 to
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70 percent of my time. and then the remaining time i divide between all these t r events, fundraising activities, and the training. i'm probably doing about 15 to 20 percent training at the moment . and the idea is that once the funds are secured, we're going to be able to devote ourselves 100 percent our time. our training with i've learned a lot about how the i assess, operates just about space flight in general. and about the politics. the space, like most of it is really fascinating stuff. i think for me, the absolute highlights is still the parabolic flights, but i got to do and that was just an experience unlike anything else i've ever experienced. so basically what happens in the parabolic slides is you have played as growing and steady flight ad. it then pulls up very suddenly and it makes the parabolic shape.
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it was, it was fantastic. it was like floating in a pool that you didn't have the resistance of the water. so you're completely free and what you're really just floating. i'm so that was really incredible. and i think for me that was still probably the highlights of all of the training we've done. i've really enjoyed getting my pilot's license. and so that again was something that was a bit harder than i imagined. i've been paragliding for since 2008. so for over 10 years, and i assume it's getting my pilot's license and it's similar to getting my powered loading license. i'm much tougher. so she, the theory you have to know a lot of theory, but it's been really rewarding. i mean, i've loved flying for a long time and now i also get to fly by tries planes, which is great though not all astronauts or pilots. having a pilot's license and experience flying in aircraft is an asset to the mission.
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nasa pilots meet over 1000 flying hours before they're allowed to pilot the space shuttle. and so the next thing that we have now on our agenda is diving i, we're gonna do a diving training get to where the space suits under water and we have see how astronauts to space walks basically under water. there's also gonna be amazing. ah, who ah ah ah, ah,
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ah ah, it's at the moment we're talking to both face x and boeing for the 2 new providers . they're gonna hopefully start offering commercial flights for humans to go to the i s s. and then our trainings really gonna have to be customized and we fly with because these space vehicles are quite different. commands are quite different. so on we do have a slots, a specific mission that the provide is willing to sell to us. and, but at the moment we're still trying to get the money. so if we get a significant amount of cash, i'm talking about a couple of 1000000, maybe by the summer, se, then we would actually start the training in the autumn. and we'd probably moved to houston, texas to start full time training. so the idea is that was full time training. it
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takes about a year to get to the standard, the crash appliance base. so we need about maybe a little bit. yes, less because we've done some training already but with needs at least 9 or 10 months, full time training for getting up the the idea is and i think that is pretty clear that both trainees will finish the training because the idea is not to kick one of them off, but the idea is really to have a backup. so we'll have a prime candidate as a backup candidate that both will be astronaut candidates and both will receive exactly the same training. i'm so if the prime candidates get sick has an accident, what, but just before to launch the other backup is fully trained and can just immediately, stephan. it's probably going to be quite difficult situation for the 2 of us once the selection has happened. and because of the moment we're on equal footing, we're good friends inside and i will get on very, very well. and is going to obviously be a shift in the relationship once the selection is made. but i hope we can still
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work together very productively. i mean, we both want the missed to be success. so that's the prime directive. usa enzo and d asked one autumn, have to raise some 50000000 europe's for the space flight. so our problem is really money. it's very, very easy to summarize the money. so we derive our income from basically events that we give in the cloud. yeah. myself. i was to the other people in the team give talks against money. and so that's basically how we're keeping ourselves close at the moment. i do these events and by receiving donations as well, we're basically staying afloat for the moment. and we're in a much better situation now than we're a year ago because we have enough to keep afloat comfortably and to continue with the training. but it costs about $50000000.00 to go to space and window when they
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are having these $50000000.00. and of course, that's a source of constant worry to us because we were all committed to making this mission to success. if all invested a lot of time and energy into this, and we want to see either in 0 myself, go up into space as the 1st german woman. and it's at this point, it's not yet clear that's going to happen just because money is we're hoping to fund the mission via i guess 3 pillars and away as the 1st of all there's of course, the branding aspects. so large german companies would have to pay a lot of money to say we brought the 1st german woman to space. and then we have the science time that we can sell our microgravity provides a unique environment in which to test a multitude of things. i, you can do physiological experiments on the human body material science and all kinds of interesting experiments that are worth a lot of money to for relevant companies. and as i say, very important to us that we do scientific experiments,
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that we just don't yourself as tourists because we want to show, okay, there are women, the scientists, the technical that can actually do these jobs. i'm so we are also talking to companies that will then give us their experiments to do. and then also we're hoping that the politicians are, i mean german politicians are going to support us to help us share it with our message. there are women everywhere because germany apparently is committed to equality and is committed to getting more girls and women into the stem subjects and science technology engineering mathematics. and if they really want to puts the money where their mouth is, ah, we hope that they're going to help us to support this mission. since starting her astronaut training, susanna has learned the hard way that in german professional life men and women are neither socially nor financially equal. german claims of social equality or belied by facts and figures.
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suzana and d austell. know to want to help change that because i've been working in a very is national environments. i left germany when i was 18, i went to the u. k. i went to canada and then i've been back in jeremy's the last 12 years, but i was working at isa, which is not a german institution. it's completely international. and so i've not really been exposed to the german working world until now until with us financing. and the more i see the more here in the media, the more i get people writing to me on facebook or, and other social media channels. i really see how much work is still to be done. jamie has had 11 men in space 11 and not a single woman. and if you compare that to any other country, every other country, the cent more than 2 astronauts into space has had at least one woman. and germany has a huge number of astronauts in the international arms than that. i mean after the u
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. s. and russia, of course, have many more channels. germany is, i think with japan, the country that has, that is number 3 and having most astronauts and has never had a woman. and that just, i think it's quite representative of. so i see actually because on paper yes, germany, of course we have a quality if you look in the minds of people in society, it's still very, very different. i mean, as soon as there are kids, it's often the woman that stopped working. if you look at the gender pay gap, it's really bad in germany. it's i have a 20 percent. and just the stereotypes that are still prevailing in society are, it's incredible. i mean these, these kids will often write to me. that's one of the things i enjoy actually. i mean, we're setting out to be role models for young girls for young women that want to get into the sciences into technology. and the number of times i have goes, you know, of not older than 789, coming up to me and saying, oh yeah, you know,
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i think it's already cool. i like spice. everyone's telling me, oh, it's not really for me. and the boys are making fun of me because it's and you know, it's not very female thing to do. it's more of a boy's thing to do. and i'm like, oh my god, i mean i had this when i was growing up fine. but i thought the world would have moved on since then, very, not or least not in germany. and that's really our mission to create a role model, to change this mindset to just show in society that women are everywhere, even in technological fields. and women can even become astronauts, i'm not saying the astronauts are more important than lots of the other engineers, a mathematician scientist and so on. it's just a, they're very much in the public eye as i'm seeing right now, right. i'm very much in the public eye and i think we need people. we need women to be in the public eye to show to young women in dallas. that's women everywhere. women can do everything they can even become astronauts. but it's a tough fight for susanna. and d asked one out and they can complete their mission without political and financial
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aid. getting to so does is that sort of often does it, since icon is mine, because really hot from my hope of going into space myself one day by my personal goal is simply to prove to germany and its men, that women and especially girls in germany can do it, there are role model, the fuzzy love, the moon landing was such an inspiring environment for me. i was full and it is shaped my whole lot. even bishop. my c list is i me. so she is in the moment it withou astronaut with our whole focus. i want to create such inspiring moments for girls in germany on much was obvious off as long as they resist us will keep pushing with ah,
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i want to leave this earth having experience as much as there is to experience and going space is kind of the pinnacle of that because you know there's, i think there's just so many new things when you're in space that is really such a new experience there. so exclusive to that is really the b or an endo of the stream. mm hm. to ensure that this dream has a chance of becoming reality. suzana trains for the final frontier at every opportunity . i mean, i've seen a lot of videos obviously of more of the journey is like so i think i have a pretty clear understanding of what is involved. you can of course, never anticipate how you're gonna be feeling at the mental state of mind. the 1st thing that that happens when you are depends where your definition of space starts exactly. but in weightlessness,
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you just float around and experience the weight business. and then of course, i mean, i think actually during the 1st portion of your trip to space, you have very low time teaching experience and at the end of the sensations to their magic. because you're so focused on all your checklists and on everything going correctly. but i think once on the, i assess, the 1st thing i would do, i have the time is to look out the window and see the us. i think that'll be the most magical moment. those i know has to clear many hurdles before going into space. the us till now tim still has to raise 50000000 euros for a spot on a space next flight. susanna has to complete her training and be selected as an astronaut. it's a long uphill battle, but she is ready to go the distance for her dream of flying into space and seeing
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the earth from above. ah, ah, i've decided to enjoy what i can in the moment. so that's really why i'm trying to live that every day. so i'm not thinking ok, i'm doing this training because i one day once again space i'm trying to think more . okay. you know, i'm doing my pilot's license and i, she really enjoy it. and with our space or not, is still a great experience as a great opportunity. i'm learning something i'm enjoying it, and of course it will be the icing on the cake to then also go into space. but if that doesn't happen, it's not waste time. so i think, yeah, my way of dealing with this is taking it one day a time trying to enjoy the journey problem just focusing on the destination
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was on his path to space is unconventional, which could be a drawback, but she's a fighter. the voyage itself is difficult, but the path to reach it is no easier. still, her positive winning attitude helps her keep trying, pushing through and moving forward. ah no, no one knows that she or her colleague will be chosen to fly to the stars. zeus honor is always striving to do her best. ah, ah
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ah ah ah, i hate to be the 1st german woman in space. first of all, just for me personally, i'm completely selfishly. it's just a dream i've always had. i've always wanted to see the earth from above. i was wanting to see our earth as a plan is probably the most beautiful planets of all and to experience weightlessness to just, you know, go to the final frontier, the space. but also beyond that. and that's the reason i really like yes and
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projects. i really like the idea of being this role model in getting to the next generation a little bit of just being maybe figure that can inspire our women by the next generation to do whatever they want to do to go into science to go into technology or maybe in broader terms just to follow whatever dreams they have. so that's something i already i had for ah, ah suzana. honda is an astronaut in search of a rocket ship,
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