for the 24 hours of little red p w. a people have to say matters to us, but me, that's why we listen to their stories. reporter every weekend on d. w. hello and welcome to the special edition of the same to 70 percent. i'm your host, christine wonder. ah, we're dedicating that, show it to a straight debate. we dared intercom county in northern kenya. that is a region that has been severely impacted by climate change. it hasn't rained bay

for more than 2 years now and have a listen to what the people have to kind of who depend on land for their survival and livelihood. told my pony it has come on you this week on the 77 percent st debate. but in the i don't, i will and you can build a world to one if we die from hunger nowadays, where will the government get the support? but they usually get from us with me. they've been gunner drought is obviously a front and center issue here. and you can see that he is already having real consequences. these are a very big debate to the pasta released opportunities. we almost hit the conversations around global climate issues on the climate change is not tough. a few minutes conversation is really something that needs community to sit together, create localized solutions to their own problems.

hello. hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent in his 1st inaugural international address. kenneth president william router vowed that climate change would be central to this government. well, we're here intro, cannot in the north of kenya to find out what challenges lay ahead of him for this promise. and i have some lovely people here to try and explain what exactly is happening in this region. and i'd like to start with althea, she's an agronomic engineer, but just to give us an overview of the climate profile of this area, what is of the nature of the earth, the weather patterns, and how has that changed over time? so this is a cone to which is an arrogance him at an area and the communities with of livelihoods is highly affected by the climate change. because when we have the change in weather patterns, that means that we luck visitation cover for them like suck. we also have challenges with water because for crop production we relay a lot on our borders or that is for irrigation. and when we have

a extreme with the conditions, that means that the water live was also good. don't. well, thank you so much for that summary and i want to come now to our mama here who lives in this area. she's a native truck on a woman and i just want to find out from you mama, what have you seen changing over the years when were you planting? when was it raining and how has that changed since one barrel one can me and our body a yellow we've been having a serious drought that has killed our livestock. don't i don't want a people are hungry, especially i women and children. they are only living by the grace of god. i'll go, i'm very genuine. can. can she remember a time when there was no drought when it was absolutely okay. the rains were predictable. there was still able to form a little bit longer ago. armina grew gray. the want to glena, i'm in our group. remarkable was now the la sometime bypass it rained once in a while. well, we even practice agriculture. growing some slogan has been using rain water,

knock along ha, but the last half years and we've not been receiving enough rain then got we got our farms have dried out penguin. and now we have a lot of people and left with nothing and hung out and i am nobody me a better body. so drought is obviously a front and center issue here. and you can see that he is already having real consequences. this by the way, being the 5th consecutive failed rainy season, that this region of the great han of africa is experiencing supplements i want to come to you because you're the ranking member from the minister of environment in this region. how bad is the situation statistically talking about figures? how many people are sleeping hungry going without water? because of what we're discussing here. climate change is really intercom account. since 1969, the temperature intercom account of increased by 2 degrees. these are purely pastoralists, county, 70 percent of the people in this county depend on lex took production,

and then the remaining took 15 to 20 percent or fisherman traders on to be able to forgive. cutter says don't worry up to now. he's got experience in the rain, so the 0 to crane are in for putting to come a county as compared to 15 years ago. so kimberly, let me come to you because you a radio host here in this region. are you hearing the impact of what you know, what we're talking about? food insecurity, lack of a rains, even flooding in some cases. how is that affecting the social structure of the area? we have visited some areas and actually we have seen the impact just like 50 kilometers from here. like 3 weeks ago i, we went and met people, a group of people group of 58 people. how will 8 carcasses over coming. yeah. yeah . and it really affects them, because now they ended up with issues of diarrhea,

vomiting, and all that. and when you are, you, you, you wonder why are you people eating this kind of phone and then they'll tell you where these low food we look right. look left and we cannot find anything to do. i'm just trying to figure out, you know, looking around it might be difficult for somebody to imagine. how do you survive in this environment and why stay in this environment if it's so harsh, i think are, we are pastries came here and her. we sat here and i, those are the way of living for our serve. so are we can move from may be here to get i lay audra k. no, because i did that aspect to find security also. you're talking about conflict because of grazing. yeah. can you expand on that please? yeah, the conflict between are the videos, our community here into color. so that aspect of our insecurity brings over our food in security because if there's no food this institute came in. so because

there is no pastor, there's no water. so the must go and i take it from there. okay, so you brought up something really important, which is one of the impacts of climate change being conflict. but i want to come to you dominic because is another phenomenon which is a climate migration. and i know parts of your family have been forced to move from one of these areas into another one in such of literally greener pastures. at the moment we are talking about our pasta released, moving back from china across the border to grant a place called a cover in such for posture. and this is what is causing the conflict we're hearing about. yeah, exactly, this is what is causing the conflict because when you go there, of course you'll find people. so when the, when the, when, when the other community, it's going to community. now there is more thing that is moving to, to their players insightful pasta. it creates a situation whereby they, they want to, we're the ones, what are their animals the want posture away? the sim community also wants to say, so. i mean, it creates our excused some conflict. okay, vicki,

let me come to you. we've been quite on the site for a little bit at the, the women and how they're affected. because yesterday, as we were walking around in this homestead behind, we had that the men were not around because they've gone to look for pastor elsewhere. and so the women have been left by themselves. what is that doing to the women of this community such stream our community has been puzzled, our since time immemorial. and one thing that i, this issue of climate change and the frequent migration inside a pastor in water has really contributed to, ah, ah polygamous marriages, and also absenteeism, of parents in their children slate. and you know how that affects the milestone and the development of children as well as the educational background. you find most of our, the pastoral pastoral, our group that is now the indigenous women and their children don't even get to go to school because we believe that in our community it is the father that disciplines the baby. so it's really our brings about our so much on

a lack of development community development, because if we luck are adequate children going to school and we don't get the father figure daily in our house is because the men can go up to 3 months. they can go up to 6 months because it can take you even 30 kilometers to me. the next war, whole, you're talking about very important issues here, including how dry it is and the difficulty to get food and water. and i want to ask mom, i like to day if you wanted to get water, where do you go and find it? how far is it and what do you do on a daily basis to sustain yourself to feed yourself and your family lam. when is wrong, veronica linen? alina was another. when we get water from far away, or men or the are the, this village has no water, no. the finished drinking water from the pool about go 10 kilometers away from here . and once we fetch the water, we go looking for wild fruits in the bush along the turco river. i did well at oliver. they are well done. one on one moment. we're only eating food from

a local palm tree that we call angle. yeah. at the other the only elling of the at we make juice from it and mix it with mace flour. then if you are not happy well then that's how we survive. o'mara, a dilemma dilate. we used to have other fruits, but they dried up and are no longer there. and a go ye, you put your than 8, you really grab on it? oh, not bad, a gang job. oh no. oh no though you american amola. and albert was added to glen, so risen. finally, we're coming to hear your voice. we're hearing some very dark things on the other side that these food insecurity malnutrition, and may be under nutrition. possibly young girls getting married off early because they basically don't have any other choices. so i, i, i guess my question is, where do even begin to resolve this? where and you're busy saying that perhaps looking at contemporary solutions like i t is a way for it, but can we even do that yet?

a good question. i think the debate on climate change has not been any good to our local communities. they debate on climate change, sometimes i said a professional debit that only serves the needs of a few clinical people or, or ames to gain and profit from this kind of the bit. because if this debate was meaningful, then this debate would be translated into the local people's lives because he is weight or starts. but even in all these, then what are we left with? we only left with innovations. how do we ensure that we create innovative ideas? that will target and benefit the young people of the prison generation because the young people of the prison generation are the 100 percent population of all future generation. and so if we don't do something to the present generation than this, nothing we're talking about a pass to lucy, miss is a, is, is getting into the laker. we shall not be speaking of it in the next 20 years. if station does not change, he's made

a very important point. reason that local and indigenous communities are left out of some of these benefits are left out of conversations regarding them. do you think this is true and how do we remedy that? i walk in, they partner stakeholder forum and one of the challenges that turn key or that are evident is the fact that even when we come up with solutions then are community centered. so you come up to a place and then you're like, okay this, this place may be, they needs, um, they need food and then you're like, okay, well we will establish farms, but you're not keen or not. what strategies can you use in that? the solutions come from the community, the communities have to be involved right from this that. so i want to asthma because earlier there was a charge made that we're not asking the indigenous people what they really want. so i, i need to ask you, if you were the president of this country, what do you think he would give the people of to come to try and solve this problem of climate change? as i am american rodney,

and are you around there a yard, mary? you are a very, very now again, so if i was the president and i had the resources, i would help the people because leaders are elected to help this village and the entire country needs help in terms of water, food, and other things. that's why we elect leaders and i could be, i'll come, we can guarantee even now. yeah. if they're minor, capone 11 years at a young american with homer. so i want to ask the people who are sitting at the back then. maybe you can help me. ah, can they remember the last time a local leader came a sat with them about climate change? if they can remember, just raise their hands. robin area. no, no. oh the she actually looks disgusted. i guess because of the state of leadership . so come to have to come back to you there. so many policies, these even

a beautiful climate change act and his county. and yet people are still feeling disconnected from the leadership. how is that possible? initially didn't of frameworks in place. we need to have structures. we children who could actually communicate with the public to the masses, or matters through the clements into the ceilings and up to sean and even ali wanting. and that's why as their local government go to gone a little cana, we saw who we thought it was really necessary for us to come up with. the policies are act and even clement found a glitch on the counter government came up with this loss and formed even the committees this committee, the ward, clemence, commissioner, they're not there. this law passed elected last tier of october, november, who so far from that to committees, we are currently training the committee so that they understand. because one of their mandate is to sensitize the community, to have meetings at the local level. and i'm sure the committee will come and meet this community in future. so let me ask present and then i'm going to come to you because as he was speaking you are actually laughing as though what he was saying

was fiction. why, why is them mama? i was am because i am one person was also participated in one of the climate change initiatives by the county government. the truth of the matter is a lot of investment is being invested into the climate change initiatives, especially by the minister of environment of this county. and some of us have been privileged to be part of that conversation. the question which you should be asking ourselves or at the right people to really participate in such kind of conversations is it does or can speak english and be invited in big hotels to discuss climate issues. or is it the real people down on the ground, or should be the majority of the participant in such conversation? and you asked us before, even this is not just about the county government is about the all approach, how the climate change conversations is happening. this not

a whole national at the national level under the international level. and us vicki mentioned at the beginning took on account is really rust is really big. i'm there not enough resources to reach everybody. so the truth of the matter is yes, conversations are happening, but also the sad reality is we are not reaching everybody, but something is happening. so let me ask dominic a question because as young people isn't that our responsibility to be that bridge between the older generation and may be the ones were not speaking the language as we're speaking in boardrooms. and you know, being that go between why isn't that happening? will the youth have a rollover merchant? sure that the information did from the net, or the many things that they learned from schools or the whole debate about the claim merchant are supposed to do. it does supposed to put it in a local context and explain to, to the people. but you see as young people, we have associations. we of course is that we used to advocate, we used to do a lot of things. or we also need support. we need support in terms of our logistics

in terms of transportation, in terms of that capacity to come and talk to the people. let me come back to kimberly then, because you did bring up the media when you're discussing these issues, it's probably in the local dialect. are we speaking boardroom language to people who should, who already know the issues in a different terminology. okay, that's one big challenge. most of the time we try and guitar expertise, at least somebody who knows and who can translate it. i know we that are the common one and she can understand so because know he live and lay cane center. they are mixed. we have locals from other counties, so we mix, so healy and ah, the, the local derek, so that at least everyone can kind of get to understand ah, what are we are trying to see? maybe just adding something. it's important to note that even the impact of climate change in itself hinders community participation. take on some of what mama was saying. she asked to wake up at 6. she has to fit water. just go look for foot. the

conversations around global, our climate issues on the climate change is not of a few minutes. conversation is really something that needs community to see together. take their time, create localized solutions to their own problems. that is the time we're talking about. and that is the most important time, especially for pastoralists. apostolic, some would, was to walk 3050 kilometers, looking for what are looking for pastors time is so limited for these communities to start even engaging and such kind of conversation. so what is actually working? can you give me examples of adaptation and mitigation, things that are being done which are actually working. we are not the cause of this climate change. the global no over the course. we're suffering as a african countries. and specifically to come account, we've experienced the climate and for us to adopt in these clemente conditions, full amount of titian and the sellers. and that's why the county budget almost 8

percent of county budget is a look at it was clemence adaptation. how county government is doing water project . for example, we've drilled over 1000 amount of boards just to crit resilience to ensure people are getting water way, implementing sql m. it's not agriculture. we are the program so and improve improvement of briefs. so about rec, um, of climate resilient britson, tacoma, county, and so many of innovation, but we are doing. okay, so lucy, we've heard what government is doing. but when you look at countries like egypt and israel, you get the sense that we could be doing so much more agricultural production, especially in the northern part of the country. it requires a lot of investment talking of bo horse. we have over 1000 boss who's as director, had mentioned both those drilled by partners. buddha, in those drilled by the county government, dealing a boy is a huge, huge investment because you have to drill, you have to equip,

and it is so sad that so many of these bo, who's currently do not have water as much as are currently these are low to we are doing both as patmos in their county government. our efforts are actually diminished because like what more can we do right now other than have emergency responses? we're hearing a lot about money and investment and rightfully so. where do we go from here? if the international community does not contribute and we don't have enough money, where do we go next year? that's the, did the sad part of this conversation, that this economy politics and the, the real realities of the grant, the major contributors of the problems we are facing today. unfortunately, i'm the one still holding the logistic well money and resources that we made. and so it's a balance between letting this money go and holding to what we believe and what we gain so much into. so they snore hornets conversations around funding issues

around clement judge ones because people are afraid to lose their traditional source of power, of money, energy, and all these things. but again, coming locally. there are so many conflicting interests that needs to be met, that the governments are grumbling with that the county government is coupling with, for example. now, what do you do as a county governor? for example, for countless tacoma, do you go for me to getting measures or do you go for long lasting solutions that will have tomorrow? so these are the issues that people are really grumbling with and that difficult to address. earlier i said that we would end up with solutions and i know some of you are already doing things within your various spheres of influence to try and change the situation. let's say a solutions will if women can be involved in the entire conversation and even in providing solutions in every household that we have a woman in our family,

we have 3 women. if we plant every a 3 cheese using the available water that we use for domestic use, we will at the end of 3 years, we will have more trees in our home. and this will help in improving the forest cover here. then number 2 on building and construction, there is a lot of construction construction fences using this indigenous tree that takes over 30 years for it to mature. and there is a lot of deforestation taking place, contributed by men because they don't that are selling these things to also help in our substituting the, the households because the astral is yeah, because brussel zoom is no longer practice our is going extinct because of the different or clemente conditions we have. so if we can have our other methods of our building that is by reducing our cutting of the indigenous areas that are providing for discovery into camera county. and i think this will help. let me close this conversation by hearing a mama's views. i just want to hear from you. um you said earlier,

what you would do as a leader, but what do you want from, from the people of can out? what do you want as a woman into kana? ah, and what can be done by the world to help alleviate the situation that you're in because of climate change? your global nano reread the garage by renee threw up a gather them when you. yeah. gallon. gallow that a mary will be by the lab policy. we have a thing here, but if her daughter feels hungry and the father's one providing for her, she'll cry when she's hungry. he went with it all the government should help us again. when our animals have died, our people are hungry and willing if we die from hunger and where will the government get the support that they usually get from us? king out of the well and routine and i come are gonna lebaron the i know when i whirling into another world somewhere. nana nana, nana it we, ne ah yamuna baronet valerio mooney a little gonna i'd like to wrap this up. so if there's anybody who has some

solutions for me, this is the moment dominic letter for me who love lust. comments are mom. i think her, one of the things that people need to do is to, to move this discussions or from new york or divorce brussels. these are, is a very big debate to the pastoralists communities. we are most hit by the drought, or this discussion should be discussed in march, so be to low do r o even theresa. are because it is not just livelihood that effect. it is, it is. this is a huge cultural significance that are, that cut to a half to the, to kind of people, to the somali people secret lovely people. yeah. so i mean, if these are, if the something that affects their livelihood and their culture, i mean this is a very, very big problem. so it is a big debate to we are we appealing to their bed to there, to there, to the wild leaders are to bring this discussion home to where the problem is really, this was never going to be an easy conversation. it's not an easy one. globally, it's not an easy one locally, but one thing has come out pretty clearly from my panel here that we need to do

more talking and more talking to each other and not at each other. i think the local guys here who joined us today, i think the panel for breathing, the heat. and i especially thank you for watching i i'm sure you got the message too, but i heard the people so kind of say that the conversation about climate change needs to be brought to the people most impacted by the phenomenon. that is certainly a port to wall leaders who are top 27 in egypt. a great, so establish a front to assist venerable countries was severely impacted by climate change. now we wait to see if communities like the term kind of and others will benefit from the loss and damage front. well, thanks for watching. i'll see you next time. we'll leave you with some music now, but by a

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