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an analysis on our website, that's d w dot com. ah ah, the united states used to consider ethiopia of a solid partner in africa. but then the tea gray conflict erupted 2 years of civil war that have claimed half a 1000000 lives. the fighting has ceased for now. you are a secretary of state antony blink, and he's in ethiopia pushing for peas. and he brought a lot of money to strengthen his case. his critics say he should be using his war jess to hold those in power accountable for the war. tonight, the high human cause of dollar diplomacy. i'm broke off in berlin. this is the day . ah,
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what did we t grains do? they must be held accountable when they had said for months and months that accountability, it was civilians, they killed, they killed the people instead of fighting the so just we really do see a deficit in terms of accountability at the domestic level. they killed the mother named kiki and mutilated her breasts with a knife after they killed her. they put the baby on top of her. what that means is really standing behind independent investigation also coming up, the european parliament has voted to condemn the beller roofs. government for repression and political prosecution, and it is lending vocal support to the bel routine oppositions plans to open a representation in brussels decanter deal, the their dictatorship. when all the rules are, are ignored. the to our viewers watching a p
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b as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day. if you know, be aware the price of peace after 2 years of war. main me little if any justice you a secretary of state antony blanket is in ethiopia, pushing peace efforts to end the fighting in the country's t g ride region of speaking today in the v o. b and capital lincoln said that the government must ensure that human rights across the country are not violate. it's very, very bad, especially with mom moment peace or a home or, or you and working together with united states.
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will this be anything more than just lip service? lincoln's visit comes as reports emerge, of a massacre carried out by government aligned forces. just days before last november's peace deal was signed. witnesses say more than $300.00 people were massacred in villages around the town of ottawa in to grow. the killings were in apparent retaliation for a battlefield defeat, inflicted by the 2 great liberation front on eritrea and forces who were fighting on the side of the ethiopian government. he w news was able to gain access to the region and listen to the stories of the survivors. we have a warning now this report has images that may, that some people may find disturbing. i but i had her go, survived a massacre where more than 300 villages were killed. it happened just days before
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a deal was signed ending the warranty gray when she had heard rumors of people being killed. so she and her family went into hiding near her house and kissed the and my landlord got on the when the cattle started making noises. my son and husband left for the house to see what was happening. i grew up in katie and for a then a soldier came in and killed them both. i love the, i think the one she heard shots being fired. it wasn't a retreat and soldiers. she says, here's where he shot the door. maybe inside her hut, she found a bloodbath. her husband 70 year old betty you are by shot dead on the floor. holding his cross under his head, he had been a priest. unit at mansfield, my daughter, your father is dead. now we carried him into the living room,
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but no one there. we found my son over to the home and also dead him. ideally, we were shot. i didn't know we covered them and cried. her 28 year old son, good day beauty who had been planning to marry soon. i abbot, her gauze, and her daughter were too scared of the soldiers who were occupying the village. they stayed in the house with the bodies for 4 days south and at another. then i went to the church to see if i could bury them there. but a high ranking era train soldier said, no. he said it was us who attacked them. i told him we didn't know, and when young she buried her husband and son in her back yard. after 2 months they were finally moved to the church graveyard. since then about a head ha gauze hasn't slept well. she's overcome with grief. hurt. what did we t grands do, they must be held accountable. it was civilians they killed, they killed the people instead of fighting the soldiers. according to the
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administration of the town of arbor, the soldiers slaughtered more than 300 people in various villages. over the course of just one week, witnesses say a retreat and forces took revenge on civilians after suffering a defeat on the battlefield. at cedar or by a social worker recorded 91 people who were killed in the village of mariam chevy. 2 over 3 days. like a north hill and a half on there if i hadn't of the $91.00 victims at 12 for women. i for the 10 were religious leaders. when we looked at the ages, they were from 2 years to 92 years old. when they killed toddlers. little girls, entire families. often the soldiers tied their victims hands before executing them . in one case, both parents were murdered in front of their 5 children. and as i drove the ad for their luck, they killed the mother named t gay and mutilated, her breasts with a knife. after they killed her, they put the baby on top of her a,
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coffee em of them. all right? these findings are a testament to the gruesome violence that happened here of the household at cedar are by hopes that her records were one day help justice to be served. harrowing details of what happened even as peace was being declared. ethiopia from are on this, i'm joined now by martin cloud. he is a journalist, specialize in the horn of africa, and is going to have you on the program with us tonight. secretary of state blinking, he is called on the p b a to ensure accountability quote, to a transitional justice process. that includes reconciliation. i mean, do you think that the leaders in, in ethiopia, they were sitting at the table with him today? they heard him, but do you think they were listening? i'm sure they were listening,
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but i think it's highly unlikely that they will agree to it. i mean, the problem is that the parents have resisted now for years, independent outside scrutiny of their human rights situation. and don't forget that the united nations committee is supposed to be engaged. the experts are supposed to engage in looking at the human rights, not just in the take great region, but across ethiopia was part of the agreements and the war into gray. and the numbers are extraordinary. i mean, we know that something like 800000 civilians were killed. that's according to the universe. you get. the problem is that doesn't evening to the, the actual so that was killed so that the total death could be as high as a 1000000. and what you were reporting from do is almost identical situation. the one that happened much earlier in the town of actual,
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again error trends when door to door massacring people. we know that last november's agreement called for the warring parties to commit to peace building measures. are we seeing any of that happening? we are seeing some of those things happen. the 2 grands have handed over quite a lot of the heavy artillery and the equipment. the problem is that the error trends remain inside the country and that is a problem for the if you open or start with the if you have you know, 40 in that piece agreement guarantee that they would be the only party to insure the security of their nation now that means that they should be actually pushing the air trains out of the gray region which is in the far north of the sea . but there's no sign that they doing that yet. and that really is
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a problem. so in the sense, the question is, what is going to be done to force them to do that? and really then hold everybody who account was didn't get. it was also to grant that we engage in some of these atrocities. it wasn't the one sided event, but it on, by far the way the largest number of the trustees were carried out by the air trends for the year. and it seems that the united states thinks that in this conflict, money still talks mean ahead of blinking arrival. we had the u. s. announcing $2000000.00 to fund an independent investigation of atrocities committed during this conflict. i was at received ethiopia. will it be that will be quite well received, but i mean, they used to getting those kind of sums of money. the much bigger question for the pins is how they going to get round that $26000000000.00 worth of external debt. most of it to the chinese. now in order to unlock that,
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they need to get an agreement with the i m f that is being blocked by the united states and other organizations. but at the same time, the united states doesn't want the indians to go towards the soviet union or the chinese too much. and the europeans take a similar, similar view. they have a very senior official, was there. yesterday, he was talking to them and they are all trying to find a way of squaring the circle, where they will somehow get gaping this degree to look at the human rights issue independently. which that resistance so far in order to get the end to the death problem. that is the big question. and if i'm understanding you correctly, the v o b is the government, it have some leverage here on the chinese side as well as the u. s. european side is willing to play both sides to his advantage and
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the accountability of the, the a possible war, atrocities is going to count on that, disappearing and fading away. is that the correct read on the situation right now? that is what they would like to see happen. but of course, the problem for someone like actually blinking and the united states is that they are intense pressure from people like m a steam. now they do not forget about issues of human rights, but at the same time, right now, the chinese special envoy for the whole of africa he's in out of. so he's in a sense offering them one set of ideas. the americans of the europeans are trying to get something else. it's a very delicate situation with so many parks in play at the same time. that is the real problem, both for the pm's and for the western allies. yeah. power politics, world powers and human rights. if you're lucky, martin power,
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we agree that we appreciate your analysis tonight. thank you. for the european parliament has adopted a resolution that condemns the government bill roofs for what europe describes as the systematic repression and political prosecution of all dissenting voices. the members of parliament also decried the long prison sentences that have been handed out in absence. you're to exile, bill ruffian. opposition leader. slack lana. she hadn't got yet no misses. you have no sky. yes. she has just been in brussels hoping to rally support for her government, her government that is in excellent. yet lana 2nd, oscar is used to receiving awards and support for her efforts to install a democratic government in belarus. she beat alexander lucas, chicago, and the 2020 presidential election. but now she's asking for recognition of
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a different kind diplomatic recognition of her government in exile as official representatives of belarus. the account, sir, do be the dictatorship. it would be that when all the rules are we are ignored. second, oscar has inaugurated a new office in brussels. she hopes will be viewed like an embassy, the a to couple of steps from european parliament. and it's, it's very important to walk with pullman, terence on constant basis, and a, it will be a harper's to full force or for, for political maintenance of our representative here. while diplomatic recognition would likely only be symbolic, at this point, some suggest practical implications, such as for the beller rou seat at the united nations. instead of having saddam to connell's goes representation, the resonation there, they have the regime wishes again, loc, legitimate, not legal. the last election in they're not recognized. so next step should be taken something like that could build pressure on lucas jenko to step aside.
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meanwhile, on the streets of belarus, he continues brutally punishing those who speak out broadening use of the death penalty for those convicted of attempting to seize state power. in other words, to change the government, the repression has silenced the opposition and belarus. almost. we have still human or is the vendors or who are based inside the country. of course they're working on mostly their work really quietly when they deliver a lot of information. that's how we know that 17 people are be in the rest of the day. mean they can be accused of high treason, they can be accused of undermining stayed security. and yet leo cover says, bela ruffians continue to resist the regime. and it's master in the kremlin one way is by revealing to the website. beller ruffian ha, yoon the troop movements of russian forces in belarus which can be used to attack ukraine. active is also sabotaged a high tech russian warplanes sitting on a runway near minsk. u. s. foreign policy analyst. marcos can alaska,
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says any government that's against russia's war on ukraine should be for recognition of the bell, arisia, and government in exile. it's a tool that we've used elsewhere. and so i think that it's a very effective non military tool to at least add pressure to both the rushing and the bell. a rush bell rushing governments, but it's not likely any time soon while belgium is providing the office. it's not offering encouragement that it will be upgraded to more than a safe space for bella ruffian, exiles to meet in brussels. the more that is the question is the opposition any closer to its goal of getting a representation in brussels of a government in exile? we put that question earlier to our corresponded sonya phone car. will that you know, diplomatic mission? a set up by set lana, chicago sky in brussels, that that mission certainly found mentioned to day abduct europe in parliament.
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he'll install spoke no, that resolution. that was boston. belarus suddenly mentioned some mission. it urges the on up in parliament, you know, formalized ties with bell russian opposition forces in order to kind of bolster their representation internationally. and in that context, it does call for support for a 2nd with its cause mission in brussels and beyond. of course that mission, the resolution also called but a comprehensive investigation into the crimes committed by alexander luke cause regime in belarus. it also calls that a whitening of sanctions against a minsk, including for its, you know, ongoing involvement in russia's war against ukraine. sonya also called up to day with bill browder. he told us about his campaign that is drawing attention to political prisoners behind bars in potions, russia. so miss rather thank you for taking the time to speak with us. when you are in strasbourg for a campaign called political prisoners order to die. it's quite grim title. what
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does this campaign about, and what do you hope to achieve here? basically, putin has taken a number of political prisoners and russia, that some of them are people that i'm close to. i'm a specifically a young man named vladimir care mercer is facing 24 years in prison for basically calling putin a war criminal. um we also have a mikael soccer, feely, who's in prison in georgia, under a russian influence government. and he is slowly being tortured to death in prison . and so there's a number of these people and, and what i'm here to do today is to energize the european parliament and the european commission to fight for these people. it's one thing to provide weapons for ukraine, and very important was another thing to provide support for those who have, who are standing up to putin or have stood up to put so that they understand that
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that, that they're somebody who has their back. and that's what i'm trying to do here today. and what is the response to that are you here in, in the, the response is extremely robust. when you were in a world right now where, where it's just bandwidth is an issue of bandwidth. people just, there's so many terrible things happening that nobody knows what to pay attention to. and so it's very important when you have a, you know, if this young man, 41 years old, facing 24 years in prison for nothing um that people pay attention and do something about it. and so response has been robust. now the big question is, even with a robust response from the european union, which in the robust response would be sanctions. it's personal sanctions magnet ski sanctions. reason the assets have been in the visas. um, even if we do that, not necessarily going to change anything because rush, russia right now is sort of quickly moving towards a north korea type of situation where they have been so heavily sanctioned that.
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it's hard to know how an additional sanction is going to change their behavior. interesting, you mentioned sanctioned living. you personally been kind of for years, of course, been trying to really mobilize the trash and community to inflict really maximum financial paid on let me put in and his associates. now with the war in ukraine, we have that for the 1st time. we have these very far reaching on breasted sanctions imposed both by the you and the us. but do you think they've had an impact and what kind of for the back the and the sanctions have been a utterly devastating for putin and the russian economy. you shouldn't believe a word that you read coming out of russia about their economic statistics. it's just outright plain lies. um, the russian economy is a shadow of its former self. almost all western companies have pulled out. nearly half the country central bank reserves have been frozen. you have almost every
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russian bank can't do business with western banks. some of the most productive people have left the country and they can barely make any of the industrial goods they made before cuz they're missing parts. it's a total economic disaster. so anybody who says the sanctions aren't working or listening to russian propaganda sanctions are working. however, there are still huge loopholes in the sanctions regime. the 1st and most important loophole is that we continue to buy russian oil and gas. and we continue to send them hundreds of millions, if not a $1000000000.00 a day for their oil and gas. and as long as we do that, that gives putin enough money to continue to fund a war to kill ukrainians. and we have to find a way to stop that. these are the price caps and things like that which, which have been agreed are not nearly enough. we need to completely and absolutely stopped the flow of money to russia. and that means stop the purchase of oil and
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gas. we have to, to talk about how this could eventually it. now you've known president putin personally, nobody knows what he's thinking, but what do you think is the end game for him here? what, how do you see his playing alden? how is, how is this great? i know how putin behaves very well because i've been fighting with him, man to man for 13 years. he never compromises. he never backs down on. he never negotiates. all he does is escalate. so i, my full expectation is that whenever we think he's been defeated in one area, he just doubles down or triples down. and so there, there's only 2 ways of work and end. it either ends with his victory and ukraine. and then i guarantee you, he'll move on to other countries, or it ends with ukraine's ukrainians victory pushing russian soldiers out of their territory. and if that happens, that putin probably loses power and loses his life. so the only way out this is the
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ukraine. twit, the only way out is for ukraine, for total victory for ukraine, a total defeat for russia, russian is to lose and to be seen to lose. and if that were to happen, then we have a situation where we can move on to a peaceful future in europe. if that doesn't happen, we've got a lot of nasty stuff coming down the pipe. and, and just last question, i mean, what would happen once the war does? and i mean, how important is it to, you know, ensure justice and accountability for, for, for us, you walk, right? i mean, you are somebody who, you know, you clear to the min litski act, you have pursued the spots of, you know, using this act to, to go often to which will to with committed human rights abuses, russian individuals. how important do you think this issue is off the war? justice is absolutely crucial. we cannot allow on the criminals, the war criminals that the murders, the rapists, the genocide,
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denied genocide and pursuers to get away with it. just as has to be done, there is be reparations or needs be war crimes tribunals. and there needs to be a full recognition of that, that this was a criminal act. and anyone who commits a criminal act will face justice. okay, thank you so much for for taking the time. ah, finally, it is a colorful part of japan seasonal calendar. the cherry blossom this year. it came early and with no candidate restrictions. spring arrives in tokyo with a burst of color japan, so kuda or cherry blossom season has officially begun for locals and tourists alike. this year's blossoms are particularly special
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animal and i was still pregnant last class and season. and it was also the pandemic this year. we can finally see the flowers with our baby for the next 2 weeks is. so i went to keep going out and enjoying the cherry blossoms in this warmer weather. now that pandemic restrictions have been softened. people can once again enjoy the season to its fullest. i think it's really amazing. i really it talks about the japanese culture where even though there's a lot of people here in tokyo and japan all around, they still get excited. we're seeing the site this year mocks. one of the earliest dots to blossom season. since reco it's began 70 years ago bringing color back to the city just that little bit sooner. and we will take the day's almost done. the conversation continues online to find us on twitter either
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