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ah, china's support of russia and vladimir putin invasion of ukraine is as strong as ever the chinese president made that clear to day and moscow dashing any hopes of a possible peace sooner rather than later. at the same time, japan's prime minister arrived unannounced in ukraine with a message of solidarity for keep as it battles against its russian invaders. tonight from asia to europe, the global geopolitical dividing lines deeper the front, their clear japan in the west, russia, in china. i'm brit gulf in berlin. this is the day. ah, we continue to believe it's not in chinese best interest to do that to help mister prudent slaughter incident ukrainians. oh,
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so far it's been in various visits because it's taking place more than a yes. since the notion invasion in ukraine with russia extremely isolated in the world, especially in the west, me courage, president shita press, president putin, directly on the need to respect, train sovereignty and territorial integrity. when it comes to don't war, the child, you know, the trashy swaying against ukraine. china just wants to present itself as a rational player. the world and china's neighbors will certainly be watching closely also coming up better late than never japan's prime minister visits, keep the last of the g chubb and leaders to do so. a kitchen there is a last r g 's have been dida to visit our new grand kids to meet with her president and ascii. so in that says he was a little too late to go in for a shows us up so. so his have bought studio green people, in any case i,
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his visit is a heidi, a welcome ah, to our viewers watching on p b us in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with a better idea of where china stands when it comes to ukraine. firmly with russia. now there was cautious hope that beijing's proposal for ending the fighting in ukraine, along with she's in pings, visit this week to moscow that all of that would help to guide russia and ukraine towards a path to peace or to day chinese president. she isn't being dashed any of those hopes that the 2 leaders assigned 14 agreements for more economic cooperation, especially in the energy sector. and this will give the kremlin what western sanctions are designed to deny it. of cash wants of cash to fund putin's war in ukraine. we have more now in this report. trying to put on the most re
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sharing smiles. chinese president, she can ping and as russian counterpart vladimir putin pledge to strengthen ties, putin increasingly isolated by the west for an invasion of ukraine is forced to turn east for friendly handshake or on the issue of the ukrainian crisis. china has always adhered to the purpose and principles of the united nations charter, adhered to an objective and impartial position, and actively promoted peace and negotiations. gigi cho talk how beatings, refusal to condemn the war on ukraine has been the driving force of this friendships to. instead, she has proposed a so called peace plan could be handing his counterpart, the opportunity to blame the west. and ukraine. amaya is full as really we believe that many of the provisions in the peace plan put forward by china. he is
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a consistent with russian approaches the flow and could be taken as the basis for a peaceful settlement when they are ready for it in the west and in cave. at night . however, we are so far we have not seen such readiness on their part that we got to this do, sir, externally meet in the blue do for putin and alliance. but she also offers a chance to close the gap left by the withdrawal of western firms from russia following its war on ukraine concept. well, in the community, we are ready to support chinese businesses. so say, when it comes to replacing the production of the western enterprises, america that have left russia though, sting, a number of new deals on energy and trade. the autocratic duel promise a new era of partnership. one where china sees itself as a piece broker for russia and ukraine. war. now i'm joined by
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joshua clintock. he's a senior fellow for se asia at the council on foreign relations in washington dc. he's also author of the book, beijing's global media offensive. it looks at how beijing is trying to become a media information superpower and we'll influence around the world. it's good to have you on the program. i want to start with what we're seeing right now in moscow . when you see these 2 presidents, the chinese president, the russian president standing side by side, what do you see? well, i mean i see that shooting ping has more clearly chosen to collaborate with vitamin. who i think he has a fairly high degree of suspicion of and it's not exactly burrell, by the way, putting has gone about a lot of his actions, but feels. 2 no choice other than to build a closer relationship given but she is increasing in carrying in
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some and increasingly complex and difficult accomplish confrontation between basically liberal democratic states and china. i know that when we look at things she's being, we see him as a leader of an economic power leader and ascending military power. or we limiting our perception of china though. i mean, are we doing? are we doing that also to our own detriment, by only seeing and economic and military superpower here? yeah, sure. i mean, i think we're eliminating that and that china is becoming increasingly influential in their global media. nearly all the chinese language media in the world now is controlled by aging. they are, you're limiting and seeing the growing power of china as social media platforms. most importantly, tick tock, which although it's pseudo private company is,
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has a seat on the board of the chinese government. it isn't really a private company. i think you're missing that increasingly powerful in books or china with in other countries, societies and politics. the scandal going on right now in canada, possible chinese intervention and kim, navy, and federal elections. there's been chinese intervention in politics and new zealand interventions and stuff. and i was we recently saw china broker returned to diplomatic relations between saudi arabia and iran. it talk to me about china's increasing soft power. well, i mean, i think that's more like traditional diplomacy, but soft power comes from other countries being attracted your ideas or your culture, et cetera. actually don't think china has an enormous store of soft power. 10 is
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actually image, much of the world is not great, but in some places like really african rather than region images. fairly good. but china wants to build up greater saw power because soft power, popularity among public leasing countries allow, makes it easier for you miles down. you have been quoted as saying that chinese does information efforts, though becoming more sophisticated still remain fairly clumsy in much of the world compared to those of russia is vladimir putin as he schooling. she's peeing in how to be a successful disseminator of disinformation. yeah, i mean, i think the russian government, not necessarily vitamin has been teaching china more effective types of information
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. china, this information has so far more social media platforms in pretty, fairly clumsy in taiwan and parts of south austria and other places where compared to russian information which has been much more skillful. particularly figuring out organic divides natural devise in other countries society and then playing those up. so i think we will see a future of china using mark accept this information. some of it probably learned from russia and considering all this. where do you, where does ukraine fit into? she's in pings thinking, well, i think that she didn't thing, although he refused to work with us to try to convince her not to do this before it. i suspect that he, like
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a lot of people didn't really believe couldn't was going to do this. and i think that china is a little bit stuck on the one hand. i think that they have the stand by who is their most important partner. and so many ways in the us, organizations and sort of just a global push back against liberal democracy in many other ways. on the other hand, i don't really think they're thrilled by the war. ukraine. it's, you know, so far hasn't been that successful for russia. it may, i'm not sure about the effect on taiwan, but it definitely shows that you start a war and you don't know what's going to happen, which isn't necessarily what she wants to think right now. and china support has poisoned its relationships. a lot of countries in central and eastern europe was used to have very warm relations with china. i mean,
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some still do at the top levels like hungry or victor, oregon and still pretty warm in china. but most of the country and eastern european countries, which had pretty warm relations with china, have now turned against china. and that's on the list because of the support for the ukraine war. it's her china image, a lot of other places i. i don't i don't think she's in, i think in a perfect world, teaching ping would have preferred that putin definitely not knew this. but at this point he has no choice, but the stand by the question would be whether you see something beyond. there's china still fairly cautious approach and some, you know, if the war drags out some much more aggressive approach of massive supply of arms. very shocked to see that joshua clinic, we appreciate your time and your insights to that excellent analysis. thank you.
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thank you. she isn't being is not the only major asian leader with a stake in the war and ukraine today, japanese prime minister for me, because she paid a visit unannounced to keep to meet with ukrainian president brought me as a lensky because she has been a firm supporter of ukraine country, providing millions of dollars of humanitarian and financial aid to keep japan has also joined the sanctions regime against russia over its invasion of ukraine. because she to invited zelinski to address the g 7 summit. japan is hosting in the city of hiroshima. this coming may i'm joined now by christopher johnstone. he's a senior advisor in japan, chair at the center for strategic and international studies in washington, d. c. mr. johnson, it's good to have you on the program. we've got 2 major leaders from asia, one in russia,
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one in ukraine. what does that tell you about how much asia and the ukraine war are now connected? yeah, we really have before as a tale of 2 visits. on the one hand is your last statement. really portrayed so well for president, she visiting mosque out offering really material and political support to the war and ukraine on the one hand. and then on the other prime minister, who before coming to ukraine was in india, where he announced a broad vision for a free and open it in a large package to go along and support it. and is now, as you said in key where he's been a real leader, in contrast to previous japanese leaders of prime ministry from the beginning, cited strongly with the other members of the g 7, imposing sanctions on rush on his regime. and in supporting in supporting ukraine, and in so doing, he really departed from years,
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literally years of japanese foreign policy, which it thought to cultivate closer ties with russia. so it's striking to see the contrast, the position, the prime minister has taken, and it really does seem to the linkages that you see between europe and east asia. we've reported many times that the, the leader of china looks at the war in ukraine with, you know, one eye on the situation in taiwan. is that the same when we're talking about japan and it's concerns about security in the, in the pacific region? absolutely. you can make the case that no country in asia has been more influenced by the war in ukraine than japan has been keisha from the beginning and who has sought to draw a connection between this use of force to to alter the status quo to achieve political aims that we've seen with russians invasion of ukraine and the
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possibility that china might attempt the same in east asia. it was prime minister kesha coin that famous phrase ukraine today could be east asia tomorrow. the sense that the international rules based order is indivisible. and that threats to it anywhere have to be responded to everywhere that has been, that has been his frame in this and in so doing, i might at, he's really brought other countries in asia along with i would argue that in some ways it was, it was the speed of japan's response to the invasion that helped to make the response global. and after japan way didn't so forcefully. south korea came along singapore came along course austria was there early as well. so i really do think he's played an important role in sort of offering a global response and helping the world understand the linkages in asia and europe . these changes that you speak of for japan, you know,
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the war in ukraine. it has forced some curious paradigm shifts to take place a particularly here in germany. and it's, that's the same in japan. i'm wondering, it has, has it been discussion reported in public a lot. i mean, here, here in germany, people have talked a lot about how this country in the spend of the you, how it's foreign policy has been turned upside down. is that the same in japan? it's absolutely the same in japan. i mean, the coverage of the ukraine war, i would argue, in some ways it's even more thorough and extensive than what we see in the united states. and it really has had a transformative effect on public opinion. i mean, when you think about the security environment in east asia, right, north korea has been launching missiles and testing nuclear devices for a long time. china's military modernization story is not new. it's a 2 decades story. really transformative investment in the military. so what's
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changed? well, what changed is the war and ukraine and the recognition on the part of the japanese people that major. ready war is possible in the 21st century. shocking is that may be and it's part real change. so this is the country that for 50 years, had a policy of restraining defense spending to one percent of g d p. and on a single day in december, they cast that norm out the window and have embarked on a path to spending up to 2 percent of g. d p. acquiring new capabilities, including long range missiles, things that they've never had before and the entirety of the post world war 2 period. so it really is a, has had a tro, found impact on political discourse here. and i think made the japanese public realize that japan needs to do more to defend, defend itself and see before one time last week we did a lot of reporting on the august deal between the u. k. australia and the u. s. for
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nuclear technology submarines. and now we're talking about japan and it's spinning on its military, a paradigm shift. all of these things come together and they lead to this question . will we see a military confrontation between the u. s. and china in this decade? perhaps we know some us generals have said we will. what's your opinion? i don't think a conflict is inevitable. why? i don't. i think we are in a dangerous period. it's clear that she g paying has given his military the order to be ready by 2027, but that's different coming order to go by 2027. so i'm a firm believer that deterrence remain off the ball. and that's why the steps that we've seen with japan investing in its own defense australia, as you said, with the steel investments that we see korea making human progress in the, in the relationship of the united states with the philippines. right. all of these
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things i think, send a message, a web of like minded states, the web u. s. alliances and partners in the region is, is drawing tighter. and that's a good thing for deter. you think we can avoid the worst outcome here. mr. johnson, we appreciate your time and your analysis tonight. thank you. thank you for the opportunity. ah, you can, those parliament has voted to increase prison sentences for homosexual acts to a maximum of 10 years. laws against gays and lesbians in uganda, day back to the colonial era. but this new legislation criminalizing anyone who claims a gender identity other than what is considered male or female. that is a different level. i won't be uganda's parliament debating the new anti gay legislation under the proposals. simply identifying as l g. b
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t plus is a crime. thank you. for gay activist, eric and dula. the new law comes as no surprise. of course, this has been the environment that has been happening from leticia and you just need to give enough funding in telling us that it is wrong and i'm in the nation looking at the bill coming in i'm it was not in the exam phrase and duleigh has been rejected by his family and he has faced evictions and arrests for being gay. were where rated by a mob of people who wanted to, you know, a tough hasn't kill us. but when we called the police to our system, now we're that way instead arrested a subject to 1st and examinations. and at the end of the day when we came suspects
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of kind of knowledge, agonies that one of nature, even though we could the police for support to help us from him. of that was going to lead us the author of the law. so to maximum punishment of up to 10 years imprisonment for homosexuals. what he claims this is landmark legislation that has widespread support. if you went to my constituents, we did him in his body and asked the deep where the idea with me on this issue. there were, did you, we are by no impact because we're me, as was this much as goes and this is one of the issues where i've directed it, presented the voices of the by the pleasant uganda already had laws criminalizing same sex acts dating back to british. colonial rule. but according to human rights watch, the new legislation makes uganda the only african country to criminalize, simply identified as gay. and dula says the law of fuels hate in an already
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homophobic country. and he feels that soon his only choice may be to leave you gander. little fussy, ah, the iranian chest player sour cotton has become a symbol of protests against her country's strict religious dress laws. she took part in an international tournament back in december without wearing a headscarf. now she lives in exile in spain, where her life has changed completely. a cheerful young family in picturesque setting, somewhere in spain. but this coastal retreat isn't a holiday resort for sarah are to sheer and sam they're here because they cannot return to their home country. in iran, a warrant has been issued for sar is arrest. i never wanted to uh, leave completely like it happened now and yeah,
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that is now what i was planning before. december 26. 2022. a tense silence grips the world blitz chest championship. and cas extend. sarah hud. him has another struggle on her mind. she's competing for iran without a head scarf and protests and solidarity with the demonstrators at home from me. oh, playing without this craft. i something that i was thinking about even before, and this happened in, in iran, but after i got invited to the hot. hm. and i, i thought maybe it's the right time, while still at the tournament, sorry, received a call from the iranian authorities. they demand that she publish a video expressing regret for her actions and stating she was under pressure. after finishing the tournament, sorrow learns she faces imprisonment. she still feels her decision was the right one. when you are in front of the camera, you are representing the country and in those official ways we all was just wearing
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something to say that we are following the rules by the we never really believed in what was going on. that for me it was the same they, but you know, it doesn't really feel right to, to be sung one out of the camera and then to, to pretend like you're someone else. there's no taking back her bold move. the small family started a new life and spain without furniture or possessions. even sar is chessboard remains in iran. most painful is the separation from her family. are they also under pressure sorrow? hopes not o orange of earth is mine. it's not there. so to be honest, not really a uh, the only thing that i really care about is that i gonna go back because as soon as i go back, i will get arrested at the airport. and what about sarah's chest career? she was recently invited to play a game with spanish prime minister pedro sanchez. sarah says, while her example contributes to change the demonstrators back home, took far greater risks. she hopes to play in chess tournaments again soon and
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reached the top 10 without wearing a headscarf and under the iranian flag. when the play areas playing under flag feathers and cannot really do something to take that flag away. but what they can do is that they can of not put me in though national team. sorrow still feels she is part of iran, not just its chest team, though she and her family feel welcome in spain. they haven't lost hope of finding a way back home. well, the day's almost done. the conversation continues. i'll wind, you'll find us on twitter at dw news. you can follow me on twitter at brent gov tv . and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day, we'll see you then
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