ah, tick tock has a 150000000 users in the united states. that's almost half of all americans, but it's still smaller than instagram or facebook. and yet among the social media platforms in the eyes of us, while makers, chinese own tick tock is the biggest threat to national security. today, the ceo of tick tock, sat before a congressional committee, and he got the grilling of his career. he tried to convince them that beijing is not the boss that the chinese communist party is not calling the shots. he tried, but it didn't work. i'm broke off in berlin. this is the day. ah, the american people need the truth about the threat. tick tock posted to our national and personal security. the bottom line is american data stored on

american soil to buy an american company overseas by american personnel. we do not trust tick tock will ever embrace american valued values for freedom. human rights and innovation picked up where i mean a place of free expression and will not be manipulated by any government. it talk surveilled this all the chinese communist party is able to use this as a tool to manipulate america as a whole. your platform should be banned also coming up in the european union wants to phase out the combustion engine after 2035 . but some want some exceptions. i skipped klob for sandy goldman ofa to to there is clear understanding within the you that after 2035 vehicles that can be exclusively powered by e can continue to be registered. that's already the consensus ends. ah,

but to our viewers watching on tv us in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome, we begin the day with what could be the ultimate tick tock, challenge that tick tock will probably lose today tick tock, c e. o. went to washington to tell war makers that they have nothing to fear from his social media platform. that almost half of all americans now use the fact that tick tock is owned by a chinese company. that at the end of the day, a company that answers to the chinese communist party or that is not relevant inside the u. s. that was the c e o 's position. and it was the position that lawmakers shot down one by one, either tick tock if sold, which the chinese government serves as a nonstarter or congress may. busy just band tick tock altogether. we have more now on today's tick tock troubles from capitol hill. everyone is shown here and the ceo

of tick tock to day. i'm super excited to announce more at ease on the app. then defending it l u. c. e o. chaise the chief faced a hostile grilling before a congressional committee. lawmakers called the app a threat to ordinary americans and to national security. and the chinese communist party is able to use this as a tool to manipulate america as a whole. we do not trust tick, tock will ever embrace american values. values for freedom, human rights and innovation can talk, has repeatedly chosen the path for more control, more surveillance and more manipulation. your platform should be banned as law. what lawmakers really wanted to know was how close the chinese government is to take talks, management roles and show repeatedly denied that he was under pressure from beijing . they met a congressman. since i've been ceo of this company,

i have not had any discussions with chinese government officials. the app is owned by the chinese company bite dance. critics say that beijing could force take talk to hand over information on millions of americans. something that take talk denies . congressman, i have seen no evidence that the chinese government has access to that data. they have never asked us. we have not provided let you know i've asked that. i find that actually preposterous. i have 1st looked in, i have seen no evidence of this happening and in order to assure everybody here and all our users, our commitment is to move the data in into the united states to be stored on american soil by an american company overseen by american personnel, so the risk will be similar to any government going to an american company asking for data moving us user data to the us as part of project, texas a plan that tick tock says we'll keep the data out of china as reach. but lawmakers

seem unconvinced by shows reassurances if it does get banned, a 150000000 users in the u. s. would lose access to the short video app. winning over the u. s. government is proving harder than getting more americans on tick tock. yes, i'm janelle, by lindsey goldman, she is head of technology and the geo politics team at the non profit organization, the alliance for securing democracy and she joins be from washington, d. c. it's going to have you with us did to night. let's just talk about what we saw happen in that room today. the ceo of tick tock, he was grilled, hard and heavy. the oppression i got was that he read the room completely wrong and this was a p r disaster for him. how did you see? i think that's exactly right. i think we saw him receive one of the frosty us perceptions from us congress that we have seen in years. and this was a committee that was extraordinarily well prepared to ask the hard hitting question,

both about tick tock, chinese ownership, and that included very detailed questions about financial ties. show choose own compensation and whether that comes from tick tock, chinese parent company by dance, the compensation of employees, his own relationship went by dance employees and members of the chinese communist parties are really detailed questions on tick tock, chinese ties, and also really detailed questions on the technology itself, you know, we heard lawmakers talk about like code and about neural network architectures and artificial intelligence. and that's, that's pretty unprecedented for the u. s. congress. which my years ago when they were grilling mark zuckerberg, had absolutely no clue what they were talking about. yeah, i mean, it really was, is an about face of, it's like the roles reverse today when you, when you compare it to how it was wind, zuckerberg was sitting there and talking to members of congress. we know that wall

makers now are not happy with social media platforms in general, but tick tock it special because it also happens to be chinese own. the chinese communist party has access. they could have access to 150000000 u. s. hearts and minds as what the law makers said, talk to me about this danger that a members of congress were talking about today. i think that's a great way of putting it. and there are really 2 real dangers that members of congress have these on the 1st centers around for the more narrow threat of data privacy and data security. the idea that all social media platforms, including tick tock, in particular, collect massive amounts of data to build these user profiles and tick tock. in particular, the genius of the apps algorithm in that it can really understand what you want to watch, what you like, what you dislike, and that can translate into a voter profile and

a profile for influence. so the data piece of it is of high concern and that's what this project texas was designed to alleviate. but then the other concern, the 2nd concern, which is almost a bigger one, is that the social media platforms and the algorithms that they use are constantly making decisions. second by 2nd minute by minute, on what content we see and when, and why at the idea that the chinese communist party could influence that up, regulate content that they want americans to see and down regulate content such as on taiwan or on chinese activists. that they don't want americans to see that's where the real national security issues come in, that make tick tock distinct from the social media platforms that we're used to that are based in democratic countries and well makers today they, they took to talked to task for not doing what it promises when it comes to content moderation. i want you to take a listen to what congresswoman kat camp from florida should after she shared a threat that was posted on tick tock against the committee chairwoman. and that

threat, by the way, that it's still posted on tick tock to day ticklish. and you expect us to believe that you are capable of maintaining the data security privacy and security of 150000000 americans. you damn well know that you cannot protect the data and security of this committee, or the 150000000 users of your app because it is an extension of the c c p. and with that i am back. now she, she bought the chinese communist party, but when you took that out, she could have easily been talking about facebook or twitter, right. they've have serious issues when it comes to content, moderation themselves. yeah, certainly facebook, twitter, youtube, all the platforms are sorely in need and become stronger oversight. and when a either involving the data that the congressman was talking about or content moderation. and this has been sort of

a born in washington side for the better part of the last 5 years. and we've really seen very little movement so far on the broader regulation. but i think there's a real chance now that the platform in question is, has this extra threat of being based in it, based in china and ultimately potentially beholden to the chinese communist party. i think we're now able to see these broader tech regulation ideas such as content moderation, much data privacy and new light, and may make lawmakers more willing to consider some of these gar, rails against the massive loophole that has our technology ecosystem. and i think you would agree with the, the vet, lawmakers are kind of late to the, to the party here when it comes to, to holding social media. i'm responsible and accountable, particularly for this information on their platforms. i mean, there are correct when they say this is dangerous, perhaps, well on tick tock because because it's coming from

a foreign power. but what about facebook? what about the west? you recollection, for example, and the 2016 election, we know that facebook was used by russia. u. s. intelligence has told us that they used facebook to try to manipulate the election. where was the fury from congress over that? you're absolutely right. is these issues of foreign influence and foreign interference and us democracy in the elections are not new. but i think there was fury over facebook's role in the 2016 election, including from all makers, maybe not as uniform as we saw today. but this has been something that, while makers have been hammering on about about social media platforms for years now. and i think the question is, why haven't we seen more action beyond beyond just words? because this is clearly something that needs to be needs to be addressed, but i think, you know, one thing in the united states,

we have this section 230 of the communications decency act, which provides a very strong liability shield, particularly on for the media platform. and actually the same committee that really the tick tock ceo today is currently looking into precisely that provision and asking questions about whether we need to reform that act and make any changes to that liability shield is something that supreme court took up recently. so i think the conversations certainly not done on content moderation and section $230.00 when it comes to the broader tech regulation in misery. let me ask you about that before going out of time, these 2 things would be, what would, what do you see happening? do you think that tick tock will be banned in the united states? and do you think tech talk? is the company that is going to push on congress to change this section to 30 and hold these platforms. response will make them liable for the content list on their

platforms. i do, i do think that this is finally the nail in the coffin when it comes to social media platforms before really regulation becomes part of our, our legal code. and the reason it's been clear today is that even the republican share of the committee today called for federal privacy legislation, something that has been an active life you're up for years now and the united states. i'm not. yeah, it's true i. i heard him say that and it struck me to that's what the europeans would be calling for us for years where we have that here. and now you have these us, well makers who are on board and perhaps, or took a chinese company to bring them there. lindsey goldman head of technology. yeah, exactly. head of technology and the geo politics team at the non profit organization, the alliance for securing democracy. appreciate your time and your insights tonight . thank you. banning. ah,

european union leaders are holding a summit in the belgian capital brussels that outwardly, at least is expected to ended harmony. but there is drama brewing behind the scenes . franco, german tension over combustion engines and nuclear energy is threatening to overshadow the agenda, which has rolled up so has thrown a spanner in the works. a monkey wrench if you will, to ban combustion engines in the e. u. by the year 2035, he wants cars powered by environmentally friendly e fuel to be exempted. critics, such as france say it would threaten the use plans to become c o. 2 neutral by the year 2050 for his part, french president, emanuel micron. he wants nuclear power listed as a green energy by the e u commission. that proposal as angered the green party and the governing coalition right here in germany, which is phasing out nuclear power. well, you see the problems here,

car making and nuclear energy to highly lucrative industries of national importance for germany and france respectively. i'll be talking to our corresponded in a moment about what's at stake. but 1st, let's hear what some of the leaders have been saying today as give closet fast indigo milofa to to there is clear understanding within the you. and this includes the idea signed by all legal give a should be a regulation proposed by the european commission that ensures that after 2035 vehicles that can be exclusively powered by e fuels can continue to be registered. that's already the consensus sense for is the right fit is important for austria in terms of competition that the green combustion engine continues to be an issue. green combustion engines with e fuels for basketball is all proper. i think the, for example, in regard to combustion engines, is your idea. this is not the moment to waiver. we have chosen a clear path towards swift electrification of our transport. su, happy,

gonna pull transform. are that we want to go now to our corresponded jack? here he is at the summit in brussels. jack, give us a sense of how wide the gulf is between paris in berlin and the effects that this is having on the european union. yes, pretty white at the moment by the looks of things president macaroni said to be furious with germany. ford is position changing on the i the on the ending of combustion engines by 2035. i'm not gonna bore you with the sort of policy making and how it goes through the process. it wasn't completely signed off, is not a completely signed off deal that that would happen yet. but there was a broad consensus, the country's, the european parliament at the council, the commission, everybody thought that this was done last year, and that we would move on. but germany came in and said, essentially listen, we're gonna keep, we want to keep producing combustion engine cars that can use a few. so these fuels that are produced out of the by products of electricity production. but the problem is earth from,

from the detritus of that that plan of the german plan is the e fuse, a normal fees if you can't really be differentiated. so the concern is that essentially we would lead to a back a back door passage for the combustion engines to be continued to be used for all fuels. and that this will get become a merc, he sort of gray area that would mean that the combustion engine phase. i that everyone had thought was agreed wouldn't happen for jeff. this is crucial though. the comics industry is huge. yeah. it's interesting that you bring that point up because, you know, we just heard the germans and chancellor. all of shots are practically se exempting e few cars from the band is a done deal. is that true? well, that's his position. that's what he says he thinks, and he thought that everybody was agreed on that perhaps, or maybe that this is a sort of negotiating tactic for him to sort of play that card. but from a lot of the other member states, they, as i say, they thought that this was

a done deal and a not very happy with the germans for bringing this is completely not an agenda item here at the summit in brussels today. but it is what a lot of people are talking about on the sidelines. the question isn't, i don't have the answer for you right now. whether shows a micron managed to say, dine and have a discussion about this, whether they came to any agreement on it. yeah, and what about the ghost of fukushima? you could say manual micron. he wants nuclear energy to be a key part of europe plans to produce more green technology, germany without getting rid of all of its nuclear plants because of safety concerns that go all the way back to the super shima disaster. mccann, these 2 countries, can they compromise on this issue? now, as the big question, will they do it? mean france is not gonna change, is position on nuclear energy. and it really wanted nuclear and especially like the research into nuclear power to be part of green technology and subsidies coming from the european union as well. and the germans oppressed against that. the french

worried that u. s. competition on the issue will mean that the a you falls behind, essentially there is going to have to be some compromises where they will lie. we don't know yet this as i say, this wasn't on the agenda for this summit, but the 2 leaders and the 2 countries are gonna have to come to some agreement. and indeed, all of the other countries. this is a fundamental philosophical, political difference between france and germany. why the germans believe the car making is important to france relies on you can of power and germany doesn't. and in, you know, you bring us to this, this final point here that this, this rel, if it is not cleared up, i mean, it has the potential to drive a wedge between these 2 big engines of the european union does. it does indeed, i think the wedges fully already there, how far it gets hammered in. that's the big question. some of the smaller member states of the european union, attending these meetings today, you can sense from the leaders. they're very happy about what's happening here.

that this discussion is taking place. what they're concerned about is that the 2 big boys, the big economies of the european union, decided to fight this. i horse trade over different issues managed to sort of 15 into a compromise. and all the other countries would then be expected sign on so that they will so have different energy mixes. countries like poland to heavily reliant on colon of being forced out in the u agreements to reduce that other countries have different energy concerns. the countries that have been on the front, i'm of russia, of a sea of had a real change in the energy maze. i'm, what they're worried about is that this franco german acts, this is going to be really difficult. interesting me as well. there's a bit of a brakes that angle in this, it used to be the big 3 that would fight over these things. now it's just france and germany in that really it longer has right now. yeah, it's interesting when you, with the 3rd is out of the picture makes, makes the pressure to come to an agreement. perhaps even greater check. fair in brussels. jack is always think

canada, so a record rose in its population in 2022. the number of people living in the country rose by more than 1000000 just under 40000000 people now live in canada. migration accounted for nearly all of the growth just under 96 percent. the country has been encouraging immigration to fill empty jobs as the population ages. unemployment rates are at near record lows in canada is now among the top 20 countries for population growth with nearly all the countries above it in africa. mattie semi yacht t is professor of geography and planning at the university of toronto professor, it's good to have you on the program. what is fueling this growth in immigration? i mean, is this a, a post we were talking about? there's a post pandemic post coded blip if you will. now, canada time long standing has been

a long standing receiver of immigrants. we've had high immigration numbers now for decades, and this is just ramping up what had already been in place. and it's really for economic self interest that we have employment gaps, we need jobs filled to fuel our economy. and also we had a long standing policy here of multiculturalism. and so to combine, this is now seen the ramping up of immigration and orders reopened after the can down, it is can to the able to integrate these people quickly. me, these are big numbers of there's already to few homes, for example, for the, the people who are already in the country. we have a record of integrating immigrants, and this is now a new scale. we certainly had a housing crisis here. we have infrastructure deficits. we have transportation and traffic gridlock. so there's a lot to do here, but immigration is also part of the solution. we've had problems building homes in

part because of the labor force and there's not enough workers to build them as people retire. so immigrants play a really important role in immigration plays important wrong, fueling our economy, and also solving some of the challenges around housing and infrastructure. as well as population decline and parts of our country that have not been growing over the decades. we have very low birth rates here, and so it's important that we take in new comers who help fuel our economy and also create a real sense of community in here in europe and in the united states. as you are also aware, migration is a wedge issue that either fueling or being used to fuel social discord in canada, completely free of that. i mean, the canadians look like they have a pretty good right now. so canadians in survey survey show the canadians are generally in favor of immigration, candidate tends to get a lot of economic migrants who contribute significantly to our economy and to our

community. so there's a lot of support for immigration. we also, when there are moments of irregular immigration as there is right now in come back at a place called roxanne road, then there does seem to be discord and it does start to ramp up anxiety around people coming regularly. but certainly when it comes to general immigration is a high level of support because of the economic benefit, the family connections and our connections in the world. the immigrants really connect us to the places where they come from and create a global type of canada and get about half a minute left to preserve, ask you if you look yourself at the board, the united states, we hear about the just the political impasse there with immigration reform, what's the difference, what, what can, what are you doing in canada that the, that the americans could learn from or canada had a point system where we reward economic migrants with the most skills or challenge in many ways of integrating those people into the labor force and making sure that

their credentials are recognized, so they can actually work here in their profession. but we've been, we are very fortunate that we're able to choose the best and brightest to come to canada for a new start. and we found ways to integrate them into our economy and to, into our culture and society professor much he is see me. i think he, we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. well, the day is almost done, the conversation continues online. you will find us on twitter, either at dw, she can follow me on twitter at break. gov tv and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody think

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