ah, john dunder, asked activists, journalists and politicians living in exile too much on my shoulders. but i have to hold this weight because i am responsible for the future of our country for the people who are behind the past. they live for their mission. people need to know what is happening there in our series, guardians, of truth, watch know on youtube or d, w documentary william root. so thank you very much for speaking to d, w. today the african continent. so coming something of a sort of a diplomatic battle ground at the moment, over attitudes to, to, to the great turbulence here in europe at the moment the ukraine war now kenya has taken a very strong and very distinctive position on the ukraine war. you know, right, in the early days in the un security council,

speaking out very clearly against russia's invasion, me explain, kenya's position. why is it been speaking out so strongly? because we, we have great believers and signal to least to their un charter, which speaks directly to a rules based globe. you know, and ensuring that there is respect for countries and their boundaries. and any violation or where the un charter by anybody in whatever manner he's that threat to violation of the same elsewhere everywhere the world. maybe it is germany, it is there today. it is there, russia and ukraine. you never know who it is tomorrow. if we allow this to go on, so our position has been this can be dissolved, we must be oglesby, stir globe. we must respect the un charter. that's the position of kenya and not

just portion of kenya. that's the portion of the un un, any country that subscribes to air there, there you and chatter. and as you see correctly, the wild is realizing that there africa is an important destination. important because an of what the, the future pretense. you know, this is the continent that has 40 percent of the world natural resources. this is the continent that has the largest resources around renewable energy. we are talking about 70 percent of the population in africa is below the age of 30, the creative, innovative, energetic. and so it is necessary for any air part of the world to realize the importance of africa and to tap into air. what africa can bring to the table?

this is not the continent of disease than poverty anymore. this is the continent that has a future. and everybody, or any reasonable leader anywhere in the world would want to know what africa thing settled. one that partnership with their african continent. and yet there is, there is talk of a kind of a, you know, sort of drift between the, the west and the global south on this issue of ukraine with many countries within the global south, tickling quite large ones. so very much on the fence, not wanting to take quite as clear a stand as kenya has. what do you say to those countries will? what's your message to them? our position as the country is that term. they see a threat to peas and no. where is that threat to peace everywhere? our position is that this is not about the north by the south. it's between what these right and what is wrong. there are

those who genuinely believe these war should be sorted out like us. because trying to apportion blame is not the way to go there. those was saying this war is that the result of sanctions and to their credit, yes, the functions are having a deeper fitting effect on commodity prices. green prices fertilize the prices. on the flip side, they're both was saying, this is the result of the war. again, it is true. so is it the wall or is it functions? and from where i sit, it doesn't matter where they did the war or the sanctions. we just need to stop it in, let's find a mechanism to put it to a one end so that we can,

we can stop there. victims of this war. he increasing their victims. really, people who cannot access food, who have challenges. will countries like india who we've had challenges with accessing, put the laser, we have challenges with existing green. we've had to re think about our aggregate to how do we do things differently. so that we avoid dependency on the global supply chain of these commodities. and to, and china has been sort of become involved, more vocal on the war recently is come out with what he calls a position paper on piece. and when you look at what they're saying and how close they are to vladimir putin and we'll just saw she jumping in moscow. a, do you think that they are a kind of a credible player and trying to bring the water in? and i think china should do more than it's current doing from where i sit because i

think m l, china is not or is, is a big player in the economy as space thought. i believe from even our strategic point of view. china should be pushing for the end of this war, because we've all come from a devastating effect over of, of, of the covered pandemic. and beyond the borders of china. china has huge interests in many parts of the world, including africa, where they have deployed resources. they have supported the building of infrastructure, they and they've, they've, they've deployed the capital and i don't think this war is helping them in any way to recoup or recover from the investment. they have made a globally. so my expectation we saw,

i think last week there was a meeting between the president of china and the president of russia. we went and told exactly what the discussion was except for you know, them saying they will work together. but i want to believe that at the center of the conversation was ways this was going because it's not good for russia. i don't think so. is good for china is good for nobody. so hopefully we should be able to see more of what china can do to leverage on it's, you know, friendship with their, with a kremlin and we there with russia on how to bring before it. and we've just seen vladimir putin saying that he wants to move nuclear weapons into bell arrests when you hear something like that. what do you think?

it's really unfortunate because the rest of us why expecting a collision? but it looks like a de escalation is, is, is not happening anytime soon. and the threat of nuclear, the deployment of nuclear in this whole space that puts many lives, many people and may be the global risk. you know, of our full blown or war that nobody knows who will be the next victim. and it speaks to the agency of all class. and that's why even this morning are part of the conversation i was having with their presidential mega of these great republic,

or very germany was exactly on. where is this war going? and what is it that nations, signatories over there, you and chat that can do? kenya, in its own way, and germany in, in, in a different way can, can contribute. so it's a source of con, son for nations for lead us across the globe that this war is not d escalating. in fact, if anything it's escalating and am i, i don't think we should continue to take these lightly. i think there is more that needs to be done. i saw that we can m stem. they have for does and possibly existential threat of humanity that this

war could possibly her pulse. this is step back maybe from the war for a moment and the even bigger picture. i mean that there's been criticism of the west vis a v. it's kind of appeals to the global south over this war, that it is requesting kind of support from the global south, and after not putting enough money into fighting climate change. not showing sufficient solidarity over providing vaccines during the pandemic. for instance, to the west is just the west need to look at itself and think more about solidarity being a 2 way street. i would even take it farther. we've had our ridging war in d r. c. we've already june war in somalia. we have challenges in your peer. we have these shoes, the nurse felt so done and we are all alone. kenya, for example,

we've had to put our resources. kenyon griffith in deploying troops in d r. c. we are currently hosting discussions or to support the peace process in a few peer. we have gone around walking round the clock to see what we can do, supporting a training, overbearing public officials, administration officials, teachers for somalia, using our own public resources. part of the conversation i was having with as the president of germany to day ease the drop down the walk away so to speak. or where you from the situation in somalia, you know, and, and the rest of it. so when it is or what issues, it is our issues when it is other people's issues,

it's global issues. you know that this, this is the mr. j. shank, the indian foreign ministers. quotation is that who you're quoting, so i mean so, so i think we need to have a fair conversation when you talk about climate change. we, we've said these many times that we have bearing the biggest brunt of climate change with loss of but about city shoot, droughts, kidneys, experiencing 4 years of continuous drought, severe drought, we've lost 2 and a half 1000000 livestock head for blood talk. we have lost livelihoods, and yet the conversations around climate change is still terrorized. we are having difficulty persuading the globe, especially the global, not on lawson damage. you know, when these, these are not phantom stories, lawson damage is reality. and why would respect that?

we need to play a role in them in what the war in, and to speak about the war in the middle of europe, between what's going on in, in russia and ukraine. surely, we need to have a much more candid conversation about a fixed up climate change about debt that is crippling many countries in their, in their, in the global south. because of the unfair. almost let me see deliberate, you know, international financial system that is lead against the global salt where we pay 50 times more interest to access development resources that are corporate because we are priced

out of resources by a risk. you know, everybody believes investing, putting the resources in there in the global, so this risky. so we end up paying in ordinate. and that's the conversation we need to have. and, and hopefully we will be able to push these compositions to the center of the global debate on how do we move into the future. we are facing as humanity, not as the global south. we are facing of humanity allegory central threat because of the effects of 400 years of exploiting, fulfill fuels recklessly the african continent is coming with a solution, stopping financing for suited to exploration and exploitation. in the matter of when it's, what about our old eve is another one because he does to stop. otherwise,

these globe is going to bond with all of us in there. let me give you an example. we were discussing drought today in kenya. the president of germany was telling me about drought in germany. so climate change has no boundaries. there is no climate change for the global south. there is no climate change for the global not. and those of us from the global south are saying we are coming to the table with our assets. we have the largest resources of renewable energy. we have the largest and natural resources. we have the largest maybe 65 percent of the world auditable and cultivated land. we have the largest population, young, energetic, innovative. these are the sources that we are coming to the table and saying, we need to have a conversation about how do we access development financing. how do we access

fair, you know, consideration, how do we do risk investments in these resources so that we can use renewable green energy to drive the development of the world going into the future? not the development of africa. her lawn nodded. brenman of the global stout. let me see these with, with up salute clarity, we are at a crossroads. a that we choose to continue the exploitation of forfeit fuels. and we accelerate our self to climate hell. or we finance the renewable green energy in the global south and save the world. now if you're here in germany, it's partly trying to drum up investment into kenya. so tell us

a little bit about your thinking on that. i mean, china has been a very important investor in kenny and also though in the wider region in recent years and pouring in money is a you now are trying to kind of diversify a your sources of investment. do you think the kenya has become, for example, a bit too dependent on money coming in from china? well, we're here because we have our 60, our relationship with germany. it's always been there. and a, we have a developed our relationship and it's been on a trajectory of growth whether we're talking about investments in our geothermal resources or in the war tie in health and, and it has nothing to do with what we do with us. there are new opportunities for both german or investors for german business people

and cannon or opportunities. also for am canon's, a cannon, and to per north american and business people to explore and to work together. we'd see an opportunity because we have some of the largest resources would enable energy gemini, on the other side, have the best technology combining these 2 opportunities from their renewable assets that we have. and the german technology that exist here with investment, we can create a win, win, an a win win outcome. we're just on that tickler on education as well. these rec, need for synergy between curriculum in her kenyon, a ticket for training colleges with their a german counterparts because labor is becoming a very fluid resource. this country requires 250000

a people to walk kenya can actually offer because we can synergies, the training, their skills. this competed the competencies that can be made available to these countries. we are looking at opportunities for am for, for sustainable aggregate. you may want to know that day a kenya is actually a tech hop or in, in the continent. we have some of their best creative, innovative, human capital, anywhere in the world. again, there is opportunity there as we are present kenya as a destination, and a hub for access to s c f t that there are africa continent or featured area which comes with 1400000000 people and the economy of $3.00 trillion ad dollars and the youngest population in the globe,

a quarter of the world war to population will be leaving in the african continent by 2050 saw the eas, sufficient reason for germany and kinda to work together because there are opportunities available are tremendous. now i'd like to turn to the situation in kenny at the moment because also connected with the was there's a cost of living crisis being experience in many, many countries can years pretty badly hit and people are angry. the big protest, their police been firing tear gas to today or what he doing to calm the situation. we're leaving a context and m, kenya, by the way, is there there possibly the largest democracy in our region. and we had the best ever election her last year. of course, unfortunately,

her is 6 months after the election and my compared to that and my competitor does, let me say, decided to pick up and say that her 21 to challenge the election. not been a court of law, not in any and non or jurisdiction, but to challenge my election on the streets with, with, with their demonstrations. ah, and, but let me tell you that i am from where i sit. yes, we have a crisis of commodity. hi bray this where they did fertilize though, where they tis their fuel her with those green. you boss me directly. what am i doing? number one. we have just said 5000000 from us. we are providing her for the lasers and there were seeds for them to air grow. and about 2, we are importing food from across the globe where some of the

em imports arrived last week. we've cleared some of them to begin to tampa and the price of their commodities. we are all saw investing long term on irrigation and, but that's part of the conversation. i will be having with german officials on how we can work together or to change our group at a form being rein fed to air being m agriculture and a. the kitchen that i would to nairobi, ah, or not so much about the cost of living. it is so much about some electron result would, would, would you, would you for a failure 2nd mother. but day of course her because the cost of living is, are pregnant and issue is her. her emotive issue. our competitors are

trying to take advantage of it. but i think that people of can are a lot wiser. i mean, your critics have said that you have it so far, not been able to deliver on your promises to, to lower prices and you have been increasing taxation and disconnects with, with discussions with the i m f. do you feel that you are being squeezed by the i m f into raising these taxes or do you stand by the tax increases? there are no increases of any taxes that we have proposed that ah, punitive the i am, if her, they're not role eden. how we run the affairs of our country. we are in charge of the economy. many people would see what you're saying, but let me give you 34 things. number one, we have stabilize the economy, the economy was on a flight into debt. everybody appreciate that. we have stabilized the economy,

we couldn't acc, 5th, the international financial markets. oh, when i took over today, we connect with an international market because they have seen the kind of stability we have brought. and i just like to finish by touching on an issue that has been the source of some international controversy. the l g b t issue, which in east africa many east african countries has been controversial. and just recently the neighboring country of uganda and introduce very draconian legislation, which caused quite an outcry internationally. do you have a feeling that uganda has gone too far with this legislation? i am canyon saw you. i'm sure you guns can speak for themselves. i can only tell you about kenya. and there what kenna as of the country and me as the lead

there are we, we've, we've taken the position that are the provisions of the constitution as it is to day. the provisions of the law as it is to day we allow other countries to do what they want to do. we, we, we, we cannot dictate to german, so our medi cancelled brain to or ugandans on what they want to do. that, that they asked to kuth for us as their, as the country we have taken a position and in that position is informed by our culture, our tradition, our constitution and our loss for those laws due date, back to the colonial era. in some cases, an and in a critics outside would say, well, you know, l g b t writes are an intrinsic part of human rights which are internationally

recognized. do you recognize that you see that the, the rights of l g b, t, people are intrinsic to intrinsically a question of human rights which are universal? would you feel that it is simply something that it is for each country to decide the canal constitution either 2010 constitution? in fact, it was celebrated as the most progressive constitution providing especially the chapter on human rights and that right. so people and in the extent of the protection of rights of people that is enshrined air in the constitution. and in that context, in the formulation of that constitution, the people of gwinnett spoke expressly as to what kind of rights and to what extent everybody can enjoy their lives without infringing on the rights of others.

in kenya, the only understanding of relationships around marriage is around men marrying women that thus did the context of her relationship that exists in kenya and existed in our constitution and is provided for in our constitution. and it can happen elsewhere. we have no issue with people celebrating their issues in america in other countries, but that is their choosing. just very briefly, we knew if it was really just a blink of an i also in european, in the united states that marriage was only between a man and woman as well. it's a very short time. do you think that will never come in kenya, or you think maybe it will just come at but in a longer period of time? i cannot tell. i cannot stretch. i cannot stood my imagination that far may be we can leave it here for now. and day, and see what happens in the future when he returns. thank you very much for

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