no danger, they live for their mission. people need to know what is happening there with the courageous effort against corruption and political crimes. in our series, guardians of truth, watch know on you tube with d. w documentary william root. so thank you very much for speaking to d. w. today. the african continent is becoming something of a sort of a diplomatic battle ground at the moment, over attitudes to, to, to the great turbulence here in europe at the moment the ukraine war now kenya has taken a very strong and very distinctive position on the ukraine war. you know, right, in the early days in the un security council, speaking out very clearly against russia's invasion,

explain kenya's position. why is it been speaking out so strongly? because we, we have great believe us and signatories to the un charter, which speaks directly to it. rules based globe. you know, and ensuring that there is respect for countries and their boundaries and any violation or by the un charter, by anybody in whatever manner. he's that threat to violation of the same elsewhere everywhere the world. maybe it is germany, it is there today. it is there, russia and ukraine, you never know who it is tomorrow if we allow this to go on. so our position has been this can be dissolved, we must be, oglesby is dead globe. we must respect the un charter. that's the position of kenya and not just portion of kenya. that's the portion of the un un,

any country that subscribes to air there. there you and chatter, and as you see correctly, the wild is realizing that there africa is an important destination. important because an of what the, the future pretense. you know, this is the continent that has 40 percent of the wild natural resources. this is the continent that has the largest resources around renewable energy. we are talking about 70 percent or of the population in africa is below the age of 30, the creative, innovative, energetic. and so, it is necessary for any air part of the world to realize the importance of africa and to tap into air what africa can bring to the table. this is not the continent of disease than poverty anymore. this is the continent that has

a future. and everybody, or any reasonable leader anywhere in the world would want to know what africa thinks and would want a partnership with their african continent. and yet, there is, there is talk of a kind of a, you know, sort of drift between the, the west and the global south on this issue of ukraine with many countries within the global south, tickling, quite large ones. so very much on the fence, not wanting to take quite as clear a stand as kenya has. what do you say to those countries? what's your message to them? our position as the country is that term. they see a threat to peas and no. where is that threat to peace everywhere? our position is that the, this is not about the north, whether this south, it's between what these, right and what is wrong. ah,

there are those who genuinely believe this war should be sorted out like us. because trying to apportion blame is not the way to go there. those was saying that this war is that the result of sanctions and to their credit. yes, the functions are having a deeper stating effect on commodity prices. green prices, fertilizer prices. on the flip side, they're both was saying, this is others. i love the war. again, it is true. so is it the war or is it sanctions? and from where i sit, it doesn't matter where they do the war or the functions. we just need to stop it in, let's find the mechanism to put it to a, to an end so that we can, we can stop the victims of this war. he increasing their victims. really,

people who cannot access food, who have challenges. will countries like india who we've had challenges with accessing, put the laser, we have challenges with existing green. we've had to rethink about our agriculture . how do we do things differently so that we avoid dependency on the global supply chain of these commodities? and to and china has been sort of becoming vol more vocal on the war recently is come out with what he calls a position paper on piece. and when you look at what they're saying and how close they are to vladimir putin and we'll just saw she jumping in moscow. do you think that they are a kind of a credible player and trying to bring the water in? and i think china should do more than its current doing from where i sit because i think m a china is not or is, is, is a big player in there,

even economic as space thought, i believe from even a strategic point of view. china should be pushing for the end of this war, because we've all come from a deeper sitting effect of air of, of the covered pandemic. and beyond the borders of china. china has huge interests in many parts of the world, including africa, where they have deployed resources. they have supported the building of infrastructure. they and they've, they've, they've deployed the capital. and i don't think this war is helping them in any way to recoup or recover from the investment they have made a globally. so my expectation we saw, i think last week there was

a meeting between the president of china and the president of russia. we went and told exactly what the discussion was except for, you know, them saying they will work together. but i, one to believe that at the center of the composition was, where is this war going? because it's not good for russia. i don't think so. it's not good for china is good for nobody. so hopefully we should be able to see more of what china can do to leverage on. and it's, you know, friendship with their, with a kremlin and be there with russia on how to bring before to it. and he just seems, let me pick and saying that he wants to move nuclear weapons into bell arrests when you hear something like that. what do you think?

it's really unfortunate because the rest of us why expecting a collision? but it looks like a de escalation is, is, is not happening anytime soon. and the threat of nuclear and deployment of nuclear in this whole space that puts many lives, many people and may be the global risk, you know, of our full blown or. ready war that nobody knows who will be the next victim. and it speaks to the agency of all class. and that's why even this morning are part of the conversation i was having with their presidential mega of these great republic, or very germany was exactly on. where is this war going?

and what is it that nations, signatories over there, you and chat, can duke kenya in its own way. and germany in fin, in a different way can, can contribute. so it's a source of concern for nations for lead us across the globe that this war is not d escalating. in fact, if anything, it's escalating and an air. i don't think we should continue to take these lightly. i think there's more that needs to be done. i saw that we can m stem. they has the does and possibly existential threat of humanity that this war could possibly her pulse. this is step back, moving from the wall for

a moment and the even bigger picture. i mean that there's been criticism of the west vis a v. it's kind of appeals to the global south over this war, that it is requesting kind of support from the global south, and after not putting enough money into fighting climate change. not showing sufficient solidarity over providing vaccines during the pandemic. for instance, to the west is just the west need to look at itself and think more about solidarity being a 2 way street. i would even take it farther. we've had our ridging war in d r. c. we've already june war in somalia. we have challenges in a fuel peer. we have these shoes, the nurse felt so done. and we are all along. kenya, for example. we've had to put our resources,

kenyon griffith in deploying troops in d r. c. we are currently hosting discussions or to support the peace process in a few peer. we have gone or we are walking round the clock to see what we can do, supporting a training, overbearing public officials, administration officials, teachers for somalia, using our own public resources. part of the conversation i was having with the president of germany today is the drop down the walk away so to speak, or where you from the situation in somalia, you know, and, and, and the rest of it. so when it is our issues, it is our issues. when it is other people's issues, it's global issues. you know that this, this is the mr. j. shank, the indian foreign ministers. quotation is that who you're quoting, so i mean so,

so i think we need to have a fair conversation when you talk about climate change. we, we've said these many times that we have bearing the biggest brunt of climate change with loss of but about city shoot, droughts, kidneys, experiencing for years of continuous drought, severe drought, we've lost 2 and a half 1000000 livestock head. so glad to talk. we have lost livelihoods, and yet the conversation around climate change is still there, right? we are having difficulty persuading the globe, especially the global, not on lawson damage. you know, when these are not phantom stories, lawson damage is reality. and why would respect that? we need to play a role in them in what the war in,

and to speak about the war in the middle of europe, between what's going on in, in russia and ukraine. surely, we need to have a much more candid composition about they fix up climate change about debt that is crippling many countries in their, in their, in the global south. because of the unfair. almost let me see deliberate, you know, international financial system that is leaked against the global salt where we pay 50 times more interest to access development resources that are corporate because we are priced out of resources by at risk. you know, everybody believes investing,

putting the resources in there in the global sell this risky. so we end up paying in ordinate, and that's a conversation we need to have and, and hopefully we will be able to push these compositions to the center of global debate on how do we move in the future. we are facing as humanity, not as the global south. we are facing our humanity allegory center threat because of the effects of 400 years of exploiting, fulfill fuels recklessly. the african continent is coming with a solution, stopping financing force in exploration and exploitation. he thought the matter of when it's, what about her old eve is a mother when, because he does to stop. otherwise, these globe is going to bond with all of us in there. let me give you an example.

we were discussing drought today in kenya. the president of germany was telling me about drought in germany. so climate change has no boundaries. there is no climate change for the global south. there is no climate change for the global not. and those of us from the global south are saying we are coming to the table with our assets. we have the largest resources of renewable energy. we have the largest and natural resources. we have the largest maybe 65 percent of the world, auditable uncultivated land. we have the largest population, young, energetic, innovative. these are the sources that we are coming to the table and saying, we need to have a conversation about how do we access development financing? how do we access fair, you know, consideration,

how do we do risk investments in these resources so that we can use renewable green energy to drive the development of the world going into the future? not the development of africa. her lawn nodded. brenman of the global south. let me see these with, with up salute clarity, we are at a crossroads. a that we choose to continue the exploitation of forfeit fuels. and we accelerate our self to climate hell. or we finance the renewable green energy in the global south and save the world. now if you're here in germany, it's partly trying to drum up investment into kenya. so tell us a little bit about your thinking on that. i mean, china has been a very important investing kenny and also though,

in the wider region in recent years and pouring in money is a, you know, a trying to kind of diversify a, your sources of investment. do you think that kenya has become, for example, a bit too dependent on money coming in from china? well, we're here because we have a 60 our relationship with germany. it's always been there under we have ah, developed our relationship. and it's been on a trajectory of growth whether we're talking about investments in our geothermal resources or in the war tie in health. and it has nothing to do with what we do with us. there are new opportunities for both german investors, german business people, and can then an oppertunity also for and cadence,

canden, and paranoia. it can then business people to explore and to work together. we've seattle, but unity because we have some of the largest resources of renewable energy gemini, on the other side, have the best technology combining these 2 opportunities from the renewable assets that we have and the german technology that exist here with the investment. we can create a win win and a win win outcome for just on that took on education as well. these we need for synergy between curriculum in can then take more training colleges with that a german counterpart because labor is becoming a very fluid resource. this country requires 250000 if people to walk kenya can actually offer because we can synergies, the training,

their skills. this competed the competencies that can be made available to these countries. we are looking at opportunities for, for, for sustainable agriculture. you may want to know that day a kenya is actually a tick hop or in, in the continent. we have some of their best, clear div, innovative human capital anywhere in the world. again, that is opportunity there, as we are present kenya as a destination. and a hub for access to is see of to you that there are africa continent repeated area, which comes with 1400000000 people. an economy of $3.00 trillion ad dollars. and the youngest population in the globe, a quarter of the world war to population will be leaving in the african continent

by 2050 saw the eas, sufficient reason for germany and kenner to walk together. because there are opportunities available are tremendous. now i'd like to turn to the situation in kenny at the moment because also connected with the boys. there's a cost of living crisis being experienced in many, many countries can years pretty badly hit and people are angry. the big protests, their police been firing tear gas to today or what he doing to calm the situation. we're leaving a context and m, kenya, by the way, is there there possibly the largest democracy in our region. and we had the best ever election her last year. of course, unfortunately as 6 months after the election and my competitor

and my competitor does, let me say, decided to pick up and say that there do want to challenge the election. not in a court of law, not in any in non their jurisdiction, but to challenge my election on the streets with, with, with their demonstrations. ah, and, but let me tell you that i am from where i sit. yes, we have a crisis of commodity. hi bray this where they'd thought to lay thou where they tis the fuel. i will as green. you boss me directly. what am i doing? number one. we have just that 5000000 from us. we are providing her for the lasers and there were seeds for them to air grow. about 2, we are importing food from across the globe where there's some of the

em imports arrived last week. we've cleared some of them to begin to tampa at the price of their commodities. we are all saw investing long term on italy, geisha and but that's part of the conversation. i will be having with german officials on how we can work together and to change our group at her from being frame fed to her being em agriculture and a the kitchen that i would say nairobi ah, her not so much about the cost of living. it is so mad about some electron resorts which, which, which, which is actually a 2nd mother. but her, of course her because the cost of living is, are pregnant and issue is, are an emotive issue. our competitors are trying to take advantage of it. but i

think that people of can are a lot wiser and we did your critics have said that you so far not been able to deliver on your promises to, to lower prices and you have been increasing taxation on this connects with, with discussions with the i m f, do you feel that you are being squeezed by the i m f into raising these taxes or do you stand by the tax increases? there are no increases of any taxes that we have proposed that ah, punitive the i am, if her, they're not role eden, how we run the affairs of our country. we are in charge of the economy. many people would say what you're saying, but let me give you 34 things. number one, we have stabilize the economy. the economy was the last slide into debt. everybody appreciate that. we have stabilized the economy, we couldn't up 5th,

they international financial markets. or when i took over to day, we connect with an international market because they have seen the kind of stability we have brought. and i just like to finish by touching on an issue that has been the source of some international controversy. the l g b t issue, which in east africa many east african countries has been controversial. and just recently the neighboring country of uganda and introduce very draconian legislation, which caused quite an outcry internationally. do you have a feeling that uganda has gone too far with its legislation? i am canyon. so you unsure your guns can speak for themselves? i can only tell you about kenya and dare. what kenna as of the country and me as the leader are we we've,

we've taken the position that are the provisions of the constitution as it is to day. the provisions of the law as it is to day we allow other countries to do what they want to do. we cannot dictate to german, so americans or bring to or ugandans on what they want to do. that, that there's a tooth for us of her as a country we have taken a position and in that position is informed by our culture, our tradition, our constitution and our loss for those laws due date, back to the colonial era in some cases. and, and in critics outside would say, well, you know, l g b t writes are an intrinsic part of human rights which are internationally recognized. do you recognize that you see that the, the rights of l, g b, t,

people are intrinsic to intrinsically a question of human rights which are universal? would you feel that it is simply something that it is for each country to decide the canal constitution? is that 2010 constitution? in fact, it was celebrated as the most progressive constitution providing especially the chapter on human rights and in that right. so people, and in the extent of the protection of rights of people that he's enshrined hair in the constitution. and in that context, in the formulation of that constitute the people of gwinnett spoke expressly as to what kind of rights and to what extent everybody can enjoy their lives without infringing on the rights of others. in kenya, the only understanding of relationships around mariage is around

men marrying women. that that's the context of her relationship that exists in kenya and exist in our constitution and is provided for in our constitution. and it can happen elsewhere. we have no issue with people celebrating their issues in america, in other countries that they're choosing just very briefly manip if it was really just a blink of an i also in european, in the united states that marriage was only between a man and a woman as well, it's a very short time. do you think that will never come in kenya, or you think maybe it will just come up, but in a longer period of time, i cannot tell agonal stretch. i understood my imagination that far may be we can leave it here for now and day and see what happens in the future. will your router thank you very much for speaking to d. w today. thank you very much, my brother. ah,

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