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president william brutal has been visiting germany. and he spoke to deed of the news here in berlin, about the turmoil at home, and what he thinks is causing it. it is so mad about some election results which, which, which, which is actually a settled mother. but of course because cost of living is, are pregnant and issue is an emotive issue. our competitors are trying to take advantage of it. but i think that people of can, you are no toys. there's been unrest, 2 in the democratic republic of congo. residents of the city of goma take to the streets, tired of incessant militant attacks. we discuss what's driving this and other protest in africa. ah,
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i'm told me your logic. well, it's good to have you with us. for 3 weeks straight police in kenya have clash with protesters who are angry about the rising cost of living. this week. crowds again defied a band on demonstrations and took to the streets and several cities including the capital nairobi, bringing business to a halt. the opposition of leading the uprising calling for march as every monday and thursday over the tough living conditions. and to express discontent with last year's presidential elections. awe hungry and fed up this protest as had been suffering in the hush economic times. they lived in a robbie's poorest neighborhoods. ah, again, they've taken to the streets only to find the authorities heat back had the clashes have been deadly. but some fi direct actually the only way to get their voices had for many small trade that daily life has become impossible. my brother
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that i love it, i want the cost of living to come down. the commodities i sell are too pricey in the market and i was a sack of potatoes, goes for a $100.00, but i barely make any profit would over. but we're constantly being harassed by county police sheeka. what should we do? why now that the president should bring down the cost of living regretting router has portrayed himself as champion of the poor. he promised to improve the life of ordinary kenneth. but he has been little sane of fat, 4 foot electricity and fuel the praises have only reason. ah, modernity of the protest. i am most of them in their twenties and thirties and they live from hand to mouth. now that's the story of about 80 percent of kenyans who do not have regular jobs. they're now demanding that the government steps in and addresses their most against needs. no, the man at the head of a protest is veteran opposition. leda raylon, dinger. he blamed the government for the rising cost of living, and it goes farther,
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alleging that william brutally last year's election. although kenya's supreme court has upheld the validity of the paul, rudolph must make no mistake. this dragon will march on stronger and mightier with his ever violence. ponce de lower demands are met many canyons i left to take talk after they undressed. people not fat on the protests, have seen their lives up, ended unable to go to work. many small businesses have lost everything religiously does in civil society are appealing for come. they are worried that the situation could spiral into uncontrolled ethnic violence. laws lost their business as they lost their garages, nubians lost their businesses. a key thieves were attacked. chiquita locked their key off and all people of god suffered. and i think the question we have to ask ourselves is how will we allow ourselves to be manipulated by politic politicians
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and by criminals? the government has well to crack down on the protest, calling them no less. but as the cost of living keeps arising, widespread public anger is likely only to depend of the situation unfolded in kenya, president william router was visiting europe, seeking to boost trade partnerships. while here in germany, he spoke to d w's, chief international editor, richard walker, on the situation back home, and on a wide range of other issues. now kenya has taken a very strong and very distinctive position on the ukraine war, you know, right, in the early days in the un security council, speaking out very clearly against russia's invasion, explain kenya's position. why is it been speaking out so strongly? because we web grid, believe us and signal to this to their un charter, which speaks directly to a rules based globe. you know,
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and ensuring that there is respect for countries and their boundaries. and any violation of where the un charter by anybody in whatever manner is that threat for violation of the same elsewhere everywhere the world and the world is realizing that the africa is an important destination. important because an of what the, the future pretense. you know, this is the continent that has 40 percent of the world natural resources. this is the continent that has the largest resources around renewable energy. we are talking about 70 percent of the population in africa is below the age of 30, the creative, innovative, energetic. and so,
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it is necessary for any air part of the world to realize the importance of africa and to tap into or what africa can bring to the table. this is not the continent of disease than poverty anymore. this is the continent that has a future. and everybody or any reasonable leader anywhere in the world would want to know what africa thing settled. one that partnership with their african continent is just step back, maybe from the war for a moment and the even bigger picture that there's been criticism of the west vis a v. it's kind of appeals to the global south over this war, that it is requesting kind of support from the global south, after not putting enough money into fighting climate change. not showing sufficient solidarity over providing vaccines during the pandemic. for instance, to the west is just the west need to look at itself and think more about solidarity
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being a 2 way street. i would even take it father. we've had that ridging war in d r. c. we have our aging war in somalia. we have challenges in your peer. we have these shoes in south, so done. and we are all along. kenya, for example. we've had to put our resources. kenyon griffith in deploying troops in d r. c. we are currently hosting discussions to support the peace process in a few up here. we have gone or walking round the clock to see what we can do, supporting training or where their public officials, administration officials teach us for somalia, using our own public resources. i need, i think we need to have
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a fair conversation when, when you talk about climate change we, we've said these many times that there we are bearing the biggest brunt of climate change with loss of. but diversity should droughts can, is experiencing for years of continuous drought, severe drought, we've lost 2 and a half 1000000 livestock headphone blad stock. we have lost livelihoods, and yet the conversation around climate change is still sterile thing as humanity. not as the global south we are facing as humanity allegory central threat because of the effects of 400 years of exploiting, forceful fuels recklessly the african continent is coming with a solution, stopping financing for sealants who will exploration and exploitation is not a matter of when it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when, because
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a dazzle stop. otherwise, this globe is going to ban with all of us in there. and those of us from the global south as saying, we are coming to the table with our assets. we have the largest resources of renewable energy. we have the largest and natural resources. we have the largest and maybe 65 percent of the worlds auditable uncultivated land. we have the largest population, young, energetic, innovative. these adding sources that we are coming to the table and saying, we need to have a conversation about how do we access development financing? how do we access fair, you know, consideration, how do we do risk investments in these resources so that we can
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use renewable green energy to drive the development of the world going into the future? not the development of africa. her lawn nodded. brenman of the global stout. let me say these with, with up salute clarity, we are at a crossroads. a that we choose to continue the exploitation of forth in fuels and we accelerate ourselves to climate hell. or we finance the renewable green energy in the global south and save the world. now i'd like to turn to the situation in kenny at the moment because also connected with the was there's a cost of living crisis being experienced. many, many countries can years pretty badly hit and people are angry. the big protests, their police been firing tear gas to today or what he doing to calm the situation.
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we're leaving that context and kenya, by the way, is there they're possibly the largest democracy in our region. and we had the best ever election last year. of course, unfortunately it's 6 months after the election and my compared to that and my competitor to let me say, decided to pick up and say that do want to challenge the election. not been a court of law, not in any in non duty diction, but to challenge my election on the streets with, with, with their demonstrations. and, but let me tell you that i'm from where i sit. yes, we have a crisis of commodity. hi pray. this where they'd fertilize though,
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where they tis the fuel or whether it's green. you've asked me directly, what am i doing? number one, we have just said 5000000 from us. we are providing her for the lasers and seeds for them to grow. and about to we are importing food from across the globe where some of the m imports are like last week we've cleared some of them to begin to tampa. at the price of their commodities or to nairobi are a lot so much about the cost of living. it is so much about some electron result would, would, would you, would you for a probably a 2nd mother, but day of course her because the cost of living is, are pregnant and issue is her. her emotive issue. our corporate law had
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planned to take advantage of it, but i think that people of can there are a lot wiser. and i just like to finish by touching on an issue that, that has been the source of some international controversy. the l g b t issue, which in east africa many east african countries has been controversial. critics outside would say, well, you know, l g b t writes are an intrinsic part of human rights which are internationally recognized. do you recognize that you see that the, the rights of l, g b, t, people are intrinsic to it intrinsically a question of human rights which are universal? would you feel that it is simply something that it is for each country to decide the canon constitution? is that 2010 constitution? in fact, it was celebrated as the most progressive constitution, providing, especially the chapter on human rights and better rates of people. and
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in the extent of the protection of rights of people that he's been trained in the constitution, and in that context, in the formulation of that constitution, the people of gwinnett spoke expressly as to what kind of rights and to what extent everybody can enjoy their lives. without infringing on the rates are about us. in kenya, the only understanding of relationships around marriage is that around men marrying women that does the context of her relationship that exists in kenya and exist in our constitution and is provided for in our constitution. and it can happen elsewhere. we have no issue with people celebrating their issues in america in other countries, but that is their choosing. just very briefly, we knew it,
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it was really just a blink of an eye. also in europe, in, in the united states that marriage was only between a man and woman as well. it's a very short time. do you think that will never come in kenya, or you think maybe it will just come out. but in a longer period of time, i cannot tell you, i cannot stretch. i understood my imagination that far. maybe we can live it here for now and there, and see what happens in the future when a router thank you very much for speaking to d, w. today, thank you very much, my brother and there's a full length version of that interview with kenny as president william router on our youtube channel. turning now to the city of goma in eastern democratic republic of congo, which is nearly surrounded by rebels from the m $23.00 group, which is fighting against the government's forces. and despite the presence of un peacekeepers in the city residents, a worried for their safety. this is a part of the country that
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a suffered years of militant attacks and the desperate civilians crying out in fear and frustration. ah, well, most every day people take to the streets in easton, congos goma. they're fed up with increasing attacks by militants, especially m. 23 rebels. they say un peacekeepers and troops deployed from east africa of failing to protect them. and they are tired of waiting for aid from the own government. oh not much john like we going hungry? the sick a dying because we can't even find porridge to feed them or not that we're not leaving empty handed. we know there's food in a depot field, so give it to us one more step. well, i did it. the un says over 800000 people have been displaced by fighting between congo. leesville says, and m 23 rebels, the collapse of yet another sci fi and early march has aggravated the situation.
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thousands of displaced live in kenya, regina, north of goma, local authority say, protest is here, attack to passing un convoy, which then fight into a crowd, killing 8 civilians and wounding 28 mo. but to say deal about it that bit, we would like the bodies released from the morgue don't get william was so that we can greenwashing baby, there will be less. tension never lit up. this family is mourning the loss of samuel mahogany. the 22 year old was one of those shot dead by un peacekeepers. number one on said the accost on long. he helped us though like a father, virginia one. i own that, i am a widow, and he took care of me and the whole family. resentment is rife towards monasco. the un mission and congo, on a scale is the humans largest and most expensive mission in the world. yet many here say it doesn't make them safer. a jenny because the mama there have been many
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deaths just us have done the more deaths. there are more well the more soldiers there are. but the one they keep coming though it got in there still no solution for found. the war continues. one owned as yet been, i been universal. don monasco is due to pull out of the d r c next year, but many want them to leave sooner. if that sentiment grows, that monasco head worries the situation could become even worse to see on as you phone yourself, sir. if we don't act urgently to try and reduce these tensions, we risk finding our cells and an even more complex situation than the one in which we find ourselves in at the moment, making the pool material efforts are underway. the united nations security council delegation visited go my recently to discuss solutions to the conflict. the you pledged 47000000 euros and aid and a fest mostly flight delivered tents and medical supplies. but many families like
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this one. bonder. will it be enough? our next guest has studied and written on protests in africa as agree among poly is a professor of political science at the city of you know, city university of new york. welcome to d, w. news africa, zachariah. now looking at the d. r. c. can yard in asia, nigeria, south africa, right across the continent. we've seen people rising up in discontent. do you see any common elements between these protests very much this has been an ongoing phenomenon for over a decade now and where they share. and obviously there are many different media triggers for these protests. what they share is a general disillusionment with the state of governance in these countries. in particular, the forms of electoral democracy that have been dotted and a sense of disconnect between the ordinary people and the governments that are in
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our, across africa. right? why, why, when their discontent, why do they seem to turn to this form of action? what makes protest more appealing for them a big part of, in the sense that there isn't much of a difference between the choices that are being put on offer and general distrust the overall electro processes that we're seeing. i mean, i saw most recently, and i, jerry, your elections are meant to be attorneys for ordinary people to voice their opinions on the political system. but as a general cynicism around whether or not elections are actually serving that function, many african democracies today. and i think that they are right, be justified high, their distress will be prevailing systems. but as you mentioned as a political element, but what cases do we see more sort of. ready organic uprisings, i think what may be protest, share in common is that they usually start around everyday life,
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an issue. so if we look at what's been happening in kenya, we need to trigger for these protests for spice and pricing in place and taking quite a hit on african household over the past few years and particular. so i think, you know, they often are starting by sort of very basic questions around the cost of food in particular. but they can quickly mark into larger questions around the nature of government. and whether or not governments are actually doing the things that we expect governance to do in terms of maintaining the welfare of the population. we've seen this form of action take place, not just in africa, around the world, seeing more and more of these kinds of math uprisings, particularly because we're in this instance age of social media and other forms of, of direct media. do we see some kind of inspiration that protest movements get from each other but it is 2 things going on, right. one is of course these larger structural. busy pieces like in placing that is really retired across many african economies. and certainly where things protest
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learning not only from other countries but also from their own histories. many of these countries are not in their 1st balance mass projects, but their 2nd or 3rd. since 2010 and so as these things, you know, as these forces are, continue to wreak havoc for ask and i was old. i think we'll continue to see more protests going forward and newer and more sophisticated forms of protest as well. and is a mare just anger being put out, or are they calling for specific goals and, and are they effective in achieving these? i think anger, of course is always a hugely motivating source. but i think it's a, it's also a forum hope right. the are the are to try and actively through a democratic rights to bring change to voicing their opinions on the streets rather than through the ballot box. i think that's not surprising when in the sense that the systems that are in place no longer working do they bring change?
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and definitely we've seen many, many cases where these protests have been quite effective. whether we're talking about things that have happened recently in places like sudan or nigeria earlier, we know that governments are forced to respond and hopefully governments will use democratic means to respond to the protests rather than tracking down on them. as we've seen to many african countries, do we see, i mean, sometimes these protests can also create a situation where they pave the way for, for example, it's stability like the military seizing power like we saw a guinea when molly, for example, does, does this pose a threat to the democracy itself. i think it's right from the democracy doesn't come from the protesters, but i do think that, you know, the, the larger specter of instability is, is a real one and does produce dynamics, which can be coopted by more nefarious political forces that could turn these
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countries towards could at times and we see a number different countries clashes as we seem in other places. so, you know, i do think this is very fraud moment for these governments in terms of how they respond to the protesters. but i have not seen a situation where governments are bonding towards repression and is the solution. so i think we ought to be very concerned about how often governments became governments, companies, government, and others are choosing to respond to these protesters, which again are being conducted by the. busy already young people and i think are something that we shouldn't, we should always keep at the forefront of our mind is not the actions of outside terrorist organization. they are their own citizens. and as a, as such, there should be a different kind of response available. so korea monthly professor, political science in new york, thank you for speaking to us. thank you for having me. well, that's it for now. be sure to check out all the stories on d, w dot com,
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forward slash africa on facebook and twitter. and we'll leave you with these pictures of the protest it can. yeah. we'll see you next time. i've been out with, [000:00:00;00]
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