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hybrid attacks from russia and it's supporters on the streets and the government protests of multiplied so a bomb hoaxes. cyber attacks and plots to bring down the government president maya found to in 5th, while she's in office for country will hold on to democracy and freedom. but pam, it, if you crane were to lose the war or get tracked in the fail, make just how long could this pro western state even hope to survive nickel progress. good. welcome to closing. so thank you for inviting me. you are living on one of the world's most dangerous tight ropes, right next door to the war in ukraine. how fragile is the situation you control? i think all of europe is fragile his days. and of course, moldova as a country next to ukraine, is in a very difficult region at a very difficult time. at the same time, what the last 2 years showed was that ukraine is able to resist the ukrainian

society, the ukrainian political system, the ukraine, an army has managed to fight back to resist, to liberate some territories. and by doing so, they also offered moldova a greater degree of security even with fear feared a year ago. god to day of freed sections for its courage. ukraine is also defending, not just to crane, but mold of as well. and that is something that allows moldova, a degree of our capacity a to continue to focus on our forums on managing our economy. really. and when you are a pro western government, you're under constant threat from hybrid russia warfare, literally hundreds of bomb hoaxes, attempts to inside violent demonstrations. cyber attacks and people squeezing your economy, fake bomb, ballard, mckinley blackouts, yes. lubin,

extremely busy managing the consequences of the war. we've had some $600000.00 refugees crossing our territory to be around 3 percent for population that effigy from ukraine. and yet we have managed to kill, keep calm and peace are in our country with managed to keep stability. the situation is so complicated, but we don't face military risks today because we ukraine is resisting and we are able to focus on managing velva threats. but your interior minister says that her situation is extremely volatile. she said democracy in peace in europe are russia's next targets. moldova stands in the way of russia's intention to break europe stability. we can only keep it and protect it if we're united, but you don't have that unity in your country. do you the opinion polls suggest

it's been severely tested right now while we are united in moldova, in our desire to keep peace on our territory everybody will everybody yeah. the absolute majority. you dont have people in moldova arguing or calling for russian tanks to approach our border have as then in normal democratic society. we have people who have different political preferences, sometimes geopolitical preferences. but even vowels, who disagree with the government, want to leave in a peaceful country, a pro moscow park is enabled, done, which is currently enjoy greater support than you hate. now it's not true. i even forced parties which before were openly promoteco. want to live in a country that is peaceful that is democratic, where they have the freedom to protest to where they have the freedom to operate. so can't the parties, we've a certain pro russian history have partly revised their approaches and they want to leave in a peaceful country. they don't want to leave in a dictatorship. they don't want to live in a war zone. in february,

your president publicly accused russia plotting to overthrow the government. russia denied it. this was information supplied by ukraine's president zalinski. how close do you think your government came to been talking? i don't think it came close. ah, we long but we've managed to derailed more than one attempt to destabilize moldova . we've managed to derail several attempts to attack police to take over public buildings. our institutions are very alert. our intelligence serve as the ministry of interior, other agencies, everyone is very alert. but the last year has proved that we are able to keep the situation reasonably coll, given the region believe and cope with this type of threats. we know that last month your intelligence service expelled to farmers without saying which country they were from, accused them of taking cards versus activities to cause a violent change to the constitutional order. that's an incredibly serious charge.

why did you let these people go? well, charging them with something a serious well we have, but have been several occasions and just this here we did not let, ah, quite a lot of foreigners to come from the country because many of them were suspected of trying to plot violence as a mold or trying to destabilize, ah, mold over politics or other measures. a few weeks ago we did not lead some 20 serbian citizens, for example, entering the country. and there have been several people inside the country on serious charges. why do you let them go? well, in this specific case, they will not come into details, but there are also people who have been arrested for attempts to try and stoke up violent hand and help the february you president said who prosecutors and spies needed more powers to combat the threat from the criminal, why don't they have those powers?

well, there is a conversation about increasing some of those powers, but they do have a now more equipment to deal with some threats. and we've increased significantly our cooperation with our partners. we've romania with the countries of the european union with the united states with ukraine. you, you, yourself quoted president zalinski. so there is a lot of information sharing. where is a lot of our mutual support and the most difficult region advice difficult. i cannot guarantee that we know the full extent what we know is whether it's not the 1st block isn't on the 1st attempt to destabilize mold or with cold through the previous attempts from one attempt to the other was written. that is, it is when a clear, our president said that our head of intelligence said it, and the us russia is working together a wave, some mold ovens fugitive some more like arcs, and they work together to destabilize moldova, to bring violence on the streets of moldova, and so far they failed in february,

you pushed through a so called separatism law, making it illegal to promote espionage and treason. statute also bands, actions that pose a serious threat to the security of the are these shoes only now being treated as crimes it late as well. we've been under the threat for 30 years. what would happen earlier? do we have a problem of a separatist region since it even even before our independence or in language trust me. so trust me, trend region of mold over yes. more than illegal russian military presence there. but for the last 30 plus years, my situation around this region has been mostly stable. mostly coun. we've been talking to the trustees trend regional representatives about 3 integration and our methods and our way of trying to reintegrate the country is dialogue, diplomacy, negotiations. that's what we're doing at the same time, given the much more much higher security risks in the region. we did adopt

these provisions in the, during the criminal code so that we are able to penalize if we need to people trying to undermine the territorial integrity of our country. at the same time while talking to the trustees trained representatives, others concept contacts, we have a dip to prime minister in charge for integration, who is meeting his counterparts, which if negotiator and with trustees throughout the region, there have been several conversations and discussions in the last year and i can tell you that the absolute majority of people on both sides are free when easter, including most representatives of the separatist leadership, don't want to leave in the war zone. so we're a trustees trend separately. there's never mind the fact that they have russian station there. and yeah, of course, visitation, as much choice of the situation is complicated, but that is clearly when the mildly human hosting

a clear commitment to manage the differences. we've our separatist region for peaceful means and dialogue and negotiations. that's what we're doing. let me take you back to march 11th. the night before. big protest demonstration must have been held and your capitol police are reported to have infiltrated and broken up a group, allegedly run by russian f. s. b agents were trying to organize clashes at that demonstration. how serious was this incident? all of these events are serious, but so he is our capacity to deal with them. 25 people were detained, apparently, yes, including the russian agent. well, they were in to tend to recruit and train local groups to cause trouble. several people were detained. several people were interrogated, but other means for each of the police and the intelligence services are dealing with the situation. and i'm telling you, yes, may situations are serious at the same time. so is our capacity to keep the coun

and stability on our streets and would a learn to keep saying that we'll have all the people been released and were involved with this operation. i'm. i'm not in a position to give you, you know, a breakdown of each individual and a to each stage of his procedures. and he's interested in another way that do you have any idea of how many of these groups are still operating in your country? well, even off course, we're monitoring several of his groups, but they don't think anyone doing what more than 5 e less the intelligence services and the police are working on vet what we know that the constant threat was constant threat. what is another taishan of his friend, but there's constant failure to bring violence on the streets in kitchener. and the reason for that is that apps, the absolute majority of the people, the absolute majority of the political parties, including most political parties, wet or do not support the government. they also don't want to live in

a country where you have violence of mystery. so that it's a clear societal consensus behind managing the political process in moldova fraud, standard democratic procedures. the view of the european council on foreign relations is that march 12th was preparatory and reconnaissance exercise for the russian operatives. not a full dress rehearsal, but an opportunity to test the responses of your security services and the coordination mechanism among the various agencies to buy that well a we've been vis. mold for over a year, but it's a constant attempt to impose stress on moldova, on our society, on our economy, on our political system. you mentioned it yourself. cyber attacks, fav, fake mom alerts, trying to infiltrate, mold over people who are supposed to destabilize the country. so what you described is a near constant situation, but at the same time we've been living with this type of situations we've been

managing to keep stability. we've been coping with this type of stress and will continue to do so. the conclusion of the european council is russian actions strongly suggest moscow is preparing for a full scale insurrection in moldova and upcoming presidential elections in 2024 and parliamentary elections would give them a window of opportunity. is that a scenario that you give any credence to well go, that is coming from a think tank. oh, fits very opinion. what they can tell the only people who talk is, i mean most, no, no, no, but i mean most elections are unpredictable. what they can tell you with clarity is that the absolute majority of the people in moldova, want to be live in, want to live in a country that is free, stable and peaceful. and this is what this government is offering. are even on the opposition side, most opposition parties also want to keep peace come and the liberty of our country

. most october, the washington post reviewed documents obtained by ukrainian intelligence which showed that russia's f. s b had channeled millions of dollars to a network of mold, oven politicians. the aim being to push the country away from the you and towards moscow. do you know which of your politicians belong to that network is receiving millions of dollars. well we have had politicians who stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the mold of and population. and many of them have received indeed, russian cash. some of them are being investigated but that they would again tell is that they failed faith failed to derail moldova. from the puft of european union, i'm from democracy and they will tell me and have none. the less infiltrated your structures. yes. and no effort may still be the case. yeah. that may still good to do that out. can i? it's quite clear with russia has been supporting political parties in moldova,

and political and politicians. yes, that's exactly what influence with money, with these millions of dollars of it's quite likely. yes. do you know you can trust in your friendship? well is oh, what we know is that visit terms to buy, to, to do, to rail, too many believe have largely failed. moldova has been a democracy for 30 years. all our governments have changed as a result of elections. several attempts by some leaders to impose autocratic rule in moldova failed. several attempts to derail mold or from the path to view opium union, including re previous prison under dawn, including by an oligarchy, old model of a few years ago. blackwood, new b all sailed to derail moldova, from the path to the e. u. and i'm very confident that our society will strong, will stay strongly engaged and will support us in bringing the concrete, interviewed up in union. just days before the president spoke about

a coup attempt your prime minister, natalia completer resigned, blaming crises caused by russian aggression and not a great time perhaps to have a government re shuffle while she was she told to resign or was she sacrificed? because the countries facing huge economic problems and someone had to take the blame, but it was the same that the we've, it's the same majority empower, it's the same president, and the most of them about her resignation. what did she jump over? she pushed well as a mutual decision to change with to this as well, but at the same time very never eaverson. well, there was a conversation and there was a joint decision of the representatives of the parliamentary majority to change the prime minister. most of the government is the same, the president that there's the same parliamentary majority is the same. but there has been a change in prime minister a sacrificial law. no, because there was a prime minister. the new prime minister has more background in his

a former minister of interior. his he is a former national security adviser to the president. so if his decision was based on the idea of it looking into the near future, moldova will face and he's facing significantly increased security risks and therefore are the focus. and now is much more, it's much more emphasis on video to manage the security situation than the previous prime minister mccallegh. really, it's a mostly comes with an economic background. and that is what explains this change? what makes you think the replacement prime minister will be able to do any better? i mean, the reality is that they have to deal with the same run inflation, running it around 30 percent utility bills of hit. the roof, poverty is increasing. what makes you think 1000000 promises vs governing team of reach? the former and the current prime minister are part of the same team. and i am part

of this team and the team of president by us and we've managed to cope with video 6 . and the last year i will give you a couple of examples for the last winter is the 1st winter in moldova, his history into which we went with significant gas reserves. we've managed to go through this winter, we're visiting on and the lights on making october november our electricity, security of electricity supply was threatened because of the russian brutal bombing of ukrainian or electricity infrastructure. we had several instances of blackouts, but none of the less we've managed to ensure a fraud, the winter with the lights in our homes were on. so our government team has managed to avoid and has managed to manage a we've calm and efficiency, massive problems. a lot of work you use this, but a recent call by magenta consulting shall 56 percent blaming the government for

their economic hardship. i at the same time the governing party of external solidarity and president, my son arvin, most popular politicians by far in the country. and we do continuously enjoy a higher level of support. of course, for to percent inflation sevenfold increase in gas costs for fall increase in electricity costs with negative effect of rushes, brutal war on mold of ease or rushes. brutal war on ukraine is imposing hardship on our population is generating negative effects from dozens of countries in the world . bob is extremely exposed and what we've managed with the risks and we'll continue doing so. this look is your relationship with nato. it's boston's shovel called you a close and highly valued partner. and despite the pressure you're under moldova, as constitution still declares the country to be neutral,

and even what's been happening in your country, how long do you think that neutrality will last? so the constitution was adopted in 1994. so this provision on mold august. no priority has been there for almost 30 years for change. well, what is clear is that moldova definitely needs and has already started changing it . security and defense policy. we've been increasing go as he could attend defense capabilities. we have been in dramatically an increase and very rapidly expanding and deepening our cooperation with of those countries. i'm not going to zation that support piece in moldova liberty, in moldova. and here of course i would start, we've romania, we've united states, we've germany with france, we've made to wither european union. we've been very busy. our strengthening mold oversee, could attend you fantastic to come back to that issue that neutrality. because in january, your defense minister anatoly necessity said you were now asking western partners,

presumably nato for air defense system. and he said the war in ukraine has shown that moldova is neutral status and the discussion about mold overs. demilitarised status are no longer current. moldova, as neutral status is no longer current, that's quite a significant change of policy isn't. so you're now going to see full membership of nato all at this stage, but it's a political conversation in moldova, about the best ways to ensure our security cleanser made the decision pleasing. the decision made mulder lunch. little steak house is no longer officials are taken by the parliament. so was he speaking out of turn? was he not well to right. what we're doing today is we're increasing security in defense cooperation with the european and we've nato and the member states of his organization. is he wrong? the defense lu susie ra, they can tell you is that the constitutional provision of neutrality is not enough to insure moldova. security, what is going to insure our security is

a strong partnership and strong support from both countries that support us and our liberty. and these are the member states of nato and the european union. and these 2 organizations listed progress. good sounds like the decision has already been made that you're just not prepared to formally announce out this neutrality is no longer in place. swell neutrality is a constitutional provision that is in place at the same time. it's not in our paper only, or it's not enough to keep the security of our country. and we are working day and night to increase my security of our country by strengthening our security and defense partnership. we've countries events that support that and cure i would liked also to i'm a quote president across your kindness of romania who several times said that under no circumstances that romania would abandon moldova and on the full spectrum of

freds, romania would always stand by moldova would always support moldova and that something which we value in moldova, it's something which gives us reassurance. are in our future in our european future and in our ability to keep moldova free and part of the free world to give her and along we've romania and all other partners from the european union and nato. do you believe if we look at the war that's going on in ukraine, do you believe that there can be a full and complete victory by ukraine as president soleski is holding out for a moment or in montalvo would very grateful to ukraine. some of what i asked yes for defending themselves and by doing so defending moldova. and our hope and the hope of our society is that ukraine would liberate its territories and our continent and ukraine, and moldova,

and the other countries in europe can go back to a situation where europe is peaceful. countries are not addressed, territories are not occupied and we do hope and we do support in moldova, ukraine's liberation a fall of its territory. used to nancy my question, do you believe that is still possible? well i, when you're out of house, yes. and they go to sleep at night, believe it is near name or mean, or you can predict the future. i'm asking you what you believe you're on the front line a. so what we hope is that ukraine will do that. and the west europe, the united states, all the countries in the world for home, for which international law matters will support ukraine in this endeavor. all the countries that want to be protected by international law need to support ukraine as well, in its capacity to liberate its territories brutally occupied by rush. and if you

could and should lose or get stuck in a semi permanent stalemate. what then for you? well, from oliver as a government, we have a duty to be preparing for all kinds of scenarios from negative or positive. so we have to prepare for all kinds of scenarios, including that scenario. of course for easier scenario for positive scenarios, it's easier to prepare but as a government would totally obliged to be preparing for the full spectrum of scenarios including this one scenarios which are even worse or better. but generally, i am confident in moldova as future, i am confident in our capacity to keep peace and liberty and the path to the european union. what is a strong societal desire to continue yvette and we in moldova hope this war will come to an end? as soon as possible that ukraine will liberate its territories and europe and, and the united states and canada and japan and all the countries that support the

freedom of ukraine will continue being strongly engaged in supporting ukraine. and by doing that would also help moldova overcome the negative effects of this war. you can profess school, thank you very much for being a conflict. so thank you. with

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