on d w, i wish i could have done more to save you i just click away. find out best documentary on youtube. oh, really good morning. see the world as you've never seen it before. describe now t d w documentary as versus war of aggression against ukraine. rage is on the battlefield. it is also using just information campaigns to promote false narrative and conflicts. don't special at the meaning security conference i spoke with the check republic foreign minister nato's assistant secretary general, google's president of global affairs, and a south african dis, information specialist. how can the truth win in the battle against this

information? hello everyone, and welcome to death information navigating the battle of narratives. we're here at the munich security conference, and we have a very distinguished panel. and mister foreign minister, i'd like to begin with you because this information is a big part of russia's war in ukraine as the attempt to dominate the narrative around the world. and i'm just going to get one example kremlin led propaganda blaming a global food crisis on you. sanctions has spread in africa and in the middle east . so when we're looking at the czech republic, when you're looking at the situation, how big do you see the security threat of this information? it's a huge, it's a huge concern. and so, but we should acknowledge that this is some, not something new. this kind of information warfare, as it is understood by russians, they play this book at least one century half. so we have little bit forgotten.

oh, fight with that. and what is the proper cool? it's not different in the digital age. absolutely. it's the same as in the h of newspaper for radio. radio for people are gossiping people, thinking of roles, thinks, asking questions, grey thing, and crafting calls groceries. so what is the proper answer in the digital age when everything is very quick and fast, that we need to have a capacity to react? states needs to have capacity to react and turn to be transferred to the photo. and we understand that your country is actually am debating right now criminalizing the intentional dissemination of this information. so i'm gonna ask you a bit more about that a little bit further in the conversation. but 1st, i'd like to turn to the assistant secretary general of nato to get to get your view here. and i'm going to add another piece of this information into the max. now, this is from pro kremlin sources which say that nato is not only threatening russia, but may even wish to invade it. so when you see that,

where do those threats that this information, i stand on the spectrum of security risks right now for the alliance? well, thanks. a lot of nato also was accused by russians off creating an earthquake and turkey just to put things sober. so it's, i mean, everything's up is happens. oh, wait, that european union businesses in china are concerned by unfair practices in some sectors. em unfair practices that impede their access to the chinese market. for example, if you take the e o every food products, they face significant hurdles. or if you take medical devices as an example, they are being excluded from the market by discriminatory by china policies. all of these sectors i'm speaking about are recognized areas of european

excellence. so these sectoral issues are exacerbated by ever growing requirements imposed by china that apply across the board. be it, for example, increasing pressure to submit technology transfer, albeit excessive data requirements or beat insolvent, insufficient enforcement of intellectual property rights. all this puts european union companies exporting to china and also those producing in china in a significant disadvantage. we discussed that, and we discussed also the fact that this contrast contrasts with the level playing field that all companies operating in the european single market benefit from. so against this backdrop, the european union is coming more and more vigilant about protecting our interests

and ensuring a level playing field. in addition to these imbalances in our relationship, as you know, the european union is growing more vigilant about dependencies. some of these dependencies raise a significant risks for us, as does the export of sensitive emerging technologies. within this contexts, a come to a test, we all know that this leads to called by some to decouple from china. i doubt that this is a viable or desirable strategy. i believe that we have to engage in d, risking this means focusing on specific risks. while appreciating that there is of course, a large majorities of goods and services. so trade, that is an risky of course, different risk required a different means to address them. we address the risk of dependencies through the

diversification of our trade and investment relations. and the risk of leakage of sensitive technologies that could be used for military purposes needs to be addressed through export controls or investment screening. but whatever the instrument we chose is we wish to solve the current issues through dialogue. so it's basically dere risking through diplomacy. and this is why are called for and we agreed in her at the resumption of the high level economic and trade dialogue. i am very glad that we agreed on this not only the high level economic and trade dialogue, but along with this one. also, the digital high level dialogue. these 2 dialogues should convene as soon as possible to make progress on all the different files and produce tangible results.

let me now turn to the am geopolitical environment. this visit is taking place in a challenging and increasing volatile context. in particular, because of rush us war of aggression against ukraine, china's position on this is crucial for the european union. as a member of the un security council, they is a big responsibility. and we expect that china will play its role and promote a just peace. one that respects ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. one of the cornerstones of the un charter i did emphasize in our talks today that i stand firmly behind president zalinski piece plan. i

also welcomed some of the principles that have been put forward by china. this is notably the case on the issue of nuclear safety and risk reduction. and, and china statement on the unacceptability of nuclear threats or the use of nuclear weapons. we also count on shy not not to provide any military equipment directly or indirectly to russia because we are no arming the aggressor would be against international law. and it would significantly harm our relationship. we also addressed human rights. i expressed our deep concerns about the deterioration of the human rights situation in china. the situation and she and young as particularly concerning it is important that we continue to discuss these issues. and i therefore, well come, that we have already resumed the your china human rights dialogue

besides russia's invasion of ukraine. there are some areas of convergence and corporation on specific global issues. and in view of the size of our economies, we have a shared responsibility in resolving global issues. for example, 1st and foremost, to promote the climate and to protect the climate and to protect our environment. i particularly welcome the positive role that china has played and delivering the montreal couldn't ming agreement on biodiversity. china has also been a driving force to reach a deal on the high sea treaty. this is particularly positive. so on the fight against climate change, we want to see china make concrete and ambitious commitments in the run up for cop

$28.00 in dubai. we've discussed this topic to and i invited china to jointly prepare this cup 28 in the context of our joint initiative with canada. and of course, i would very much welcome if china would be choosing to join the global mustaine pledge. we need china as an important player. so these were the different topics in general that we have discussed. and i'm now looking forward to answer your questions. thank you very much. questions. yes. thank you. and then a little po, news, air. with me. you see here

with him and he will say well and in yesterday you as a there i attended with every harvey i have made with me so am indeed i as i reported raised the point of arms deliveries. and i want to be very clear on that one that arming the aggressor is a clear violation of international law. it's the aggressive and he should never be armed. and this would indeed significantly harm the relationship between the european union and china on your 2nd question. and we all

agree that a stability in the taiwan strait is of paramount importance. we have a very clear interest in preserving this stability, the peas and the status quo in the taiwan strait. and therefore, nobody should unilateral, unilaterally change the status quo by force. in this region, the threat to or, or the use of force to change the status quo is unacceptable. and it is important that son, that the attention that might occur should be resolved through dialogue. and we have discussed these topics to ah, sol, both topics have been waste a

gina with eisen media and i would like to ask you about this. i just found your pony. yes, it was frontage. open the government. you sent us a list of contact. kathy eulley referral proposed by trying to fly waycaster at burgess you special way there are certain quantum factors in happening or, you know, collateral issues between you at atlanta. so i'm wondering during least the important media here today. do you have any opportunity to explain the journal in pursuit as a result of you said you started a home to your child. yeah. and since at least 2 years, so we are very clear on our open strategic autonomy. this is a discussion that started and during the pandemic,

and when we felt the knock on effects of several regions worldwide that shut down, export of am vital, a goods that were necessary to fight the pandemic. not the european union. we discussed the open strategic autonomy in such a way that we said it is very clear for us that we stay open. we export it up to today $3500000000.00 herself vaccines. so this is a large number, and we were the only producer per vaccine producing region worldwide that never closed the border but kept exporting, while we also were very vigilant to export as much as we delivered to the european people. and, but we felt like many other regions of the world that with the breakdown of,

for example, supply chains, how vulnerable we were, the 2nd element, ah, where the strategic autonomy was being felt heavily by the necessity for the strategic autonomy was being felt heavily by the european union was with russia warf aggression against ukraine, as you know, just a year ago. and there was a strong dependency of the european union on russian fossil fuels. ah, and russia used this dependency door black mail us on the field of energy. ah, by cutting 80 percent of the pipeline gas supplied to the european union within 8 months. this triggered a severe energy crisis, but we were able to withstand and we were able to show that we do not give into the black mail. on the contrary, we completely diversified away from russian fossil fuels. we

invested massively and renewable energy that a home grown and contribute to our european security and independence. but of course also to protect the climate. and the european people saved about 20 percent of their energy demand. and these are 2 examples that show all that we want with an open strategic autonomy in a very clear european individual european way independent and sovereign to define where we see risks there, we have to address them where we need to strengthen our supply chains. for example, where we need to diversify our supply chains and where we have to improve our position very much

your time with that high pressure war and leave it with the transatlantic bonds are strong and founded on trust and a deep friendship since decades. and i was just referring to the critical situation we were in last year with cutting energy um the cuts of russian gas supply. it were our friends. and like for example, the united states that immediately stepped in with increasing the deliveries of

alan g. m. so the transatlantic bonds are strong and they are based on not friendship, but they also based on shared values. and this is a very important part that is unshakable. am then we discussed and i raised the topic. i encourage president cheap to reach out to president zalinski. i know from my phone calls that i'm and president zalinski asked for it publicly. so it was interesting to hear that i'm president, she reiterated his willingness to speak when conditions and time are right. i think this is a positive element. there was a 3rd component in your question,

which i forgot. i must admit no. okay, thank you. it's late. oh, yeah. a cellphone world. thank you. oh oh you like to know that be a your line to call you he a he mentioned a you with yes, i think on the 1st question i just, i said we're will, gave the answer on the 2nd question. indeed. it was very important for me to all our discuss with a president she and of course always prefer prime minister leap. i am that we think

that d risking is important, not decoupling and erm with both. i discussed a different examples where we see, for example, that de risking is necessary. we also discussed, they must always put that in the same context. the other side of the cohen coin that is for us the imbalances we see in the trade between and the european union and china. but a one effect of discussion was indeed that de risking is to be seen in the context that there are many goods and services in trade that are on risky ab, here are the imbalances play a role. so we have to address them. but there are some goods that we see where we see that we have to the risk and that this is something we want to address. and

therefore it's so important to have this high level economic and trade a dialogue to address. specifically, there are specific asks for many companies from the european union, very concrete cases. and this cannot be tackled dinner or lead us meeting, but it can and has to be take a tackled and i am high level meeting and high level dialogue. and we want to address that directly to you. so oh, this is the with, with in a room

with a, with she with and more in the thread that you when, who, who, who you are is or with the a r g in i raised or indeed at the topic, but in general of the nuclear nuclear arms threats, and specifically also our deep concern. what are the nuclear arms threats, potentially based in stationed in bellows are concerned. so i was very clear

on both. i think it is also visible in public statements in the piece plan that china put forward and yeah, in public statement that china is strongly advocating against using not only using nuclear weapons, but also not even using the fact of nuclear weapons. and this is a point where we absolutely agree on that one. now you were asking about different meetings, china being a permanent member member of the united nations security council. you're watching j . w is you are have been watching special coverage of this news conference of the commission president ursula thunder line. speaking in beijing there. i'm sarah kelly. thank you so much for joining us. we're going to bring in w,

corresponded in brussels, jack paris to get some reaction to what we have been hearing from phone line. just walk us through what has stood out to you so far? yeah, really interesting press conference from vandalized that a lot of people were questioning when she was going to china, whether the speech that she made beforehand would translate to how strongly she could speak when she was on chinese soil. and i think most people would say that she's broadly been pretty forthright during that press conference. it is important to say she isn't stood next to the chinese president. she's in ping, making those comments. she is there stood alone giving that press conference. she made some interesting comments about the trade imbalance. she said that you know, the needs that chinese practice is chinese trade practices. or i'm fan of resulted in a the trade deficit between the you and china going up 3 fold. she also made some comments about the human rights situation for the week. as in she jain,

which is something that many new leaders, european, i'm western leaders. when they go to beijing, they sort of stay clear of that. they will not criticize that human rights situation. she said that they had a frank dialogue and that they've entered in a sort of entered into a discussion with the chinese on the human rights situation. sure, so she said she made it clear that china should not send lethal aid to russia, which she could accept called the aggressor in the ukraine invasion. but she didn't say whether she said, we hope we can count on china to not send that weaponry, which didn't say whether the chinese agreed to that. that my sort of main takeaways from, from, from what she was saying during that press conference. the initial takeaways that i got out of it. he, she also talked about electric on di, risking through diplomacy. what's that to me and jack you only have 30 seconds? yes. right. this is, it was similar to her press conference before is what she wants to, the risk not decouple the relationship between europe and china, europe's really,

really heavily, heavily relying on trade with china. we've seen the french president menu, i'm a chronic, a load of business leaders. they've signed up loaded deals over the last 24 hours or so. but vonda lion there is really outlined the sort of political position and for her, the focus is on getting china to use its power over russia to end the war in ukraine, jack, paris, and brussels on bringing us up to date after this. speech by the president of the european commission. ursula funder line in beijing, as we mentioned after her trilateral meeting with the french president and the chinese leader. thank you so much for watching. i'm sarah kelly and berlin ah ah ah

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