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it's how you monday we ad agreement. yes. what? yeah. human beings and become brick agreement. and so the 5th set won't even be thought. so again, broke i agreement. and thousands of zimbabwe ends living in south africa could soon be kicked out of the country. if they lose a court case. we'll meet one teacher who says staying is his only option. ah, i am eddie micah junior. welcome to the program, one in 6 people around a well struggles with in fertility, a condition that prevents a couple from having children. according to the world health organization in facility does not discriminate between high meadow or low income countries. in fact,

in nigeria, africa's most populous country, some experts suggest one in 4 people are unable to have children. so some opt for surrogacy where another person carries the pregnancy for them a decade ago. this was very rare, but i still abuse or macau coyer reports. it's now become so common that surrogacy agencies, or imagine or do there still no adequate laws, guiding the procedure myra and myra judith's children. but she wasn't pregnant with them and she didn't give birth. they were carried and born by a surrogate. judy has the auto immune disease lupus, which means she couldn't carry a baby to term. she decided to find a surrogate to have a babies for her. she tells me that it wasn't simple for her. it wasn't a direct process, because solo with our human beings. we had agreements,

yes. what's the or you mom be as under come break agreements. and so the 1st, 2nd, even the thought forgives brooke agreement brigand agreements like i wish she was 30 process and midway. i don't want to do this except you do this for me. it was, it's off period. judith found a surrogate who successfully bore her children, and she tend to experience into a business. she now runs a surrogacy agency. the full service costs, the parents around $3.00 media narrow or 6000 years after medical costs and the agency fee associates can expects to get about half of that. that's around 3 and a half years of minimum wage. this woman is pregnant with someone else is twins, babies. it is her 2nd sorrow gets pregnancy. she knows all about the home on medication that is needed, find implanted pregnancy and to worry about whether it will work. she asked us not

to identify her on the piazza and i studied them because you have to live in a walk, you're doing that and at up once. so he's 5050 is that i will gain or lose. i was all of his really right. so on those mental agree off with god, how one decent because it's it so that i want us to waste my time. another positive lake, maybe 2 or 3 months is after be careful to nicholas garcia. lose its its own is not careful. what about the scary? how does she think she'll feel when she has the babies and gives them to the appearance? actually once is on my egg. says no, my spam, i'm just a carrier. i have my own children. that is, i can do these l. e. but i don't sure i can do it's because it is mine and i can afford to lose my own child. but in this case, i'm just a courier says on my child. if you look for a sorry,

jesse loy nigeria, this is what you find. the reason to one currently, parents surrogates on agencies use contract law did it says she would like to see a smooth or better regulated system. so everyone involved has more certainty. she wants to help others who have struggled with infertility, help the children they want. like she does so surrogacy is clearly not uneasy procedure. what makes it even more complicated? an idea is that there is no clear legal framework guide in the process. so how much of a challenge is that? i asked that she knew a been in a commercial lawyer in boucher well, it was a very big challenge because right now from what i understand personally

no contracts you know, on the usual sort of either or just the reasons for commercial reasons. not because there's no guidance or guidance on this issue. it's from to i views, you know, i'm sure you have most of head of a baby factory alone across nigeria. well, coffee to montana people on the, on the issue. so there's a kind of a block market right now, because if it's offering to just came to me jewels, the sovereign gave the best that the local abuse might call me. you know, there's no copy of that because the law provides for this issue senior girl. it's on the age girl might be a good day. people from disadvantage communities might be

a boy for financial reasons. so i mean, it sounds very sales that this whole situation could be abused. why is the gum in trying to do anything about it? why is there no particular law for surrogacy? oh, you know, mind you know, we, we feel we're very right. a tried to punch. you know, a lot of issues i know of in the front. one of the things that issue, like i said, reproduction is it's still something that a lot of people don't want to talk about. it's just ended up classify things like i vs gauge. why now in my euro here, because paul at your job traditional know once we man would want

to be the want to kindly be children for 10. yeah. yeah. i mean, i think you've made up points clear back to the type of contract to do because this is the issue you're talking about, the black market side of it. but as also i don't know if we can see white mike audit legal, so to speak. market of it's where people openly are saying, yeah, this is an agency where just like a report we saw the say, this is an agency where, you know, if you're struggling to have a kid, you can come and you, we can provide you with a surrogate mother so to speak. so it seems it's also being done in the open. how do you just oppose the legal it is between that and the black market situation. ok, now if they have to enter a contract with pen the between maybe like as mentioned. so we'll get agencies that handle this issue now,

but the subject to the laws of government contract. no, that's not contract with an individual. now, we have to look even there was no mis mister with mister patient. but you know, he's the, so we get more than the, the, the women and i say, you know, all matthew, out on that issue must be present. it also the most will be, do read, you know, those, the sort of get more that shouldn't be in time on the, to read was set to be a surrogate is the contract was ends on the, on the do it. now it's, it's void or who on the night you run laws, please. you have a charge of less than a fee is agreed to be. if someone gets mother the contract, it boy did. in fact,

it's normal boy that been issue. you know, so there are a lot of them will be an issue to what x x means soft. so we get contract. ok. kelly, a lot of issues need to be ironed out if such a law as to exist that she knew a been a lawyer in boucher. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. now the option of fertility treatment is also complicated and expensive in africa and beyond adding to the distress and stigma that the effect of people already face. i discussed this with pre year fear by the president of the association for fraternity and reproductive health nigeria. he starts by telling us the state of infertility in africa, most populous country. it's the most common reason for

gynecological consultation in most of our clinics. and the a, the prevalence is rather appears to be increasing recently and has seen many more people complaining of inability to conceive. oh, i mean, that has my attention. why does it seem that more and more people are suffering from infertility? well maybe because awareness is better. unfortunately, most of the data we have is based on hospital soviets and a lot of clients who go to clinics outside where research is done and not captured . so we have a lot of people. the health system is divided into 2 main sectors that the, for my house is them, private and public. most of the government hospitals attend to those that are

reported. well, we have a large number of private facilities who probably get that for even more than the patients that we see in government hospitals. and most of the data from the office is not reported. however, we are recently trained. busy carriers nationwide, so the, so that we have a better understanding of the provenance of it. yeah, definitely sounds like a challenge now when it comes to in fertility, basically meaning not being able to have kids many point fingers are there woman. but as we know, as you said, a bit earlier man can also be in fair tile, isn't that right? absolutely, absolutely. and it's not just meant can also be that, you know, experience generally. busy about 30 percent of cases are due to factors in the woman another 30 percent. in fact, on each of those in the man. and then we have about 20 percent where you have

combination of factors in both the man and the woman. and then for about 10 percent was a on explain so for today because we really can pinpoint it now and what's me because in so men or women in our environment contribute equally to the cause issues. what are some of the practical things that one can do to increase chances of having kids to start from those who are more, it commands the process and we advise preventive measures before humans that train . good. dia, healthy lifestyle exercise, avoid multiple central class. avoid debacle and alcohol as much as you can and that's where you reduce the risks that you encounter. and then for those who

initiated the process and have started train, how long don't wait for too long. if you notice that is a problem, you should seek appropriate medical care any so simple methods like a john can be carried out by general practitioners and then you want a streams to do so. but when it starts becoming complicated, it would be wise to see again, ecologist and if need be, if it gave you appropriately. if i reach you and can give you the appropriate treatment that will assist in getting you pregnant. doctor, pre a fear by president of the association for fertility and reproductive health in nigeria. thank you. now imagine this, you've settled in a new country for many years. it's

a place that even feels like home, but now the government is trying to kick you out. that's the situation phase in nearly $200.00 thousands and barbarians in south africa who were granted residency in 2008 on a case that called decide the fate human rights groups have asked the court to stop the government from doing so by the clock is ticking us residents payments will expire at the end of june, deal abuse, christine lunar method t. change your hand is bag. who's hoping to remain in south africa? far from his herman's and bob. we have been that somebody is contemplating the future. his life in south africa might soon be coming to an end. he's been earning a living in johannesburg, teaching and waiting till the to pill did for me. got to wait to go to school in the morning. and then later, go to western boys at the school or any mush

after they went around. and nixon is emmy is land when endings are site to children and the wife and other issues with little porch what i seem to match. and i can live and work legally in south africa because he has as and bobby an exemption permit. these permits were offered to zimbabwe and who had been living in south africa, undocumented, and those who were seeking asylum, optis and bobby's violent election in 2008. now after 12 years, the south african government is canceling. the permit and permit holders have been told to apply for work visas, but these will only be given to applicants with critical skills. like the majority of permit holders, montgomery's work is not considered to be critical over the border impulse,

while his wife and 2 daughters worry about him having to return to some bubbling middle class, i just need to know how in meeting decide if i'm in a can we can assist in the things on the 4th tool before the why children sees in the needs data coming back to him is that a lea, a life changing thing? it means that i'll have to drop out of college. and what does that equate in? i'm about to finish. so if he comes back to 0, that means i have to drop out of quite a living standards ins above we have been in decline since the early 2, thousands to day about half of the population is reported to be living in poverty. some bobbins have migrated to neighboring countries in big numbers. many have come to south africa and this is growing actually immigrant that has that time

escalated to violence. attacks on our national had suggested that the government pandering is taking the decision in the corey. maintain that the home is always a temporary arrangement and wait for citizenship. all permanent resident rights groups have asked a court to stop the government from canceling dependence. there was no public consultation with the stakeholders prior to the decision being made to terminate the payments. if you have enabled people to farm families, found lives here and careers that you give them a fair opportunity to make representations so that you understand the circumstances of the lives and what they face when you make the decision to terminate. and that

is absent in terms of the decision that has been made by the south african government has been my son would hope the court will rule in favor of the appeal. he doesn't want to go back to some public soldiers or something to stop him. go pick the static game, it's fair to find them finding out other cause some way is if the court rejects the appeal, then my son, nora and others. and bobby and exemption permit holders have until the end of june to leave south africa. just so you know, we reached out to south africa ministry for home, i fast for comment, but they didn't respond to our request. the court case goes, i had next week and one of the legal practitioners representing some others. and bobby, in effect, that is symbol tando as bobby and lawyer, based in south africa. he told me why he thinks he can win. the case argument is that when people have been in the country residing lawfully,

these are not legal immigrants. these are not refugees. these are people that have lawful rights in the country for the past 12 years. that is no longer a temporary arrangement. it is a situation where the vast majority of these people have given almost 2 decades of their most productive lives. and, and yet they are differently permanent in the country. and they have goods roots in the country. they've got the bonds of homes and that they're paying for. they've got financial arrangements that with children in the country, they've got the contribution to the fiscal of the, of the country and the gross domestic product of the country. so there are definitely permanently in the country without it. ok. ok, but here's the thing. who, who decides whether they should be there permanently or temporarily?

is that not the government? the law the government applies to legislation. so, in this, in this matter, the law says after 5 years, any foreign national who has lawfully lived in south africa, should be allowed to apply for permanent residency in the country. and that is what we will be arguing. well, at least i will be arguing that in court on tuesday next week, on the 11th of april, the law says after 5 years, and bob, we are nationals, all the city p holders that i'm representing have a right to apply for can the residency and the government can only deny the application if they have committed a crime if they have been in any way violated the stay

in the country prior to the application for them to residency. and none of that has been alleged. what has actually happened is that the government has decided to look, we have made a decision for you to leave after 12 years. and throughout those 12 years, the government just try to block. this is important to try to block the city, the city p, all that is bobbins attempts to apply for a permanent residency in the country for the past 1213 years. ok. but when you said, if tried to blog, what does the government stand to gain from, from this action and the government then the so african government does not stand to gain anything, especially if anything they stand to lose a lot by their decision and the center who's you know, skilled,

some bob wins who are on the city, you know, who are part of the economic fabric of this country. the real estate of the country . they, they tend to lose a lot. but notwithstanding the fact that they tend to lose a lot and they have seen the evidence, you showed it to them as part of the proceedings that they stand to lose a lot from a situation that is a mass exodus or some documents. but they still, they've done it anyway, and the reason why i believe they've done it is because they're appealing to the populists who i have shown recently, i think is as recent as last year that they will vote for smaller parties. that once involvement out. so the agencies under pressure and they said look, we don't care if we would rather stay in power and then then protect this and bob wins in the country. ah,

now so far, 2023 has been very busy for many nigeria especially considering that presidential elections were held earlier this year. so maybe it's time to catch a break as we get into the long easter weekend. didn't use alyssa tacoma from our studio in lagos. nigeria looks at how some people will be spending their time. ah, around half of niger escalation is kristin. should be grateful here and elsewhere. is that is the most important part of all of the year and will be heading to church . newton is the period we are asked doctor process. holly, not only did he say, but where is this any? during that time you can deeply do your, what do you do? how you behave for me is there as, as there is or isn't about i was right. it needs happiness. it has no idea because

then so for me is if you log or repaired does appear, although forgiveness if you don't. oh said no, but to see this east that he's also the 1st big public holiday in was been a top year with a long and challenging presidential election, a fuel cache on cost of living prices. people are looking forward to a break. yes, of course i'm good. so how do you do that with my family states? we then bought, we did, you know, we did all the time. you know, i might be going to the bid. so my be home 3 next these and 2. and this is over 3540 to 40 years, so i'll pick out for my 1st relax with m news, dr. bob, all over i, by for you, i wonder what your plans are, but wishing you a happy long east out weekend. that's how we wrap up the show for my while stories go to our website, d, w dot com slash africa. you can also visit us on facebook and twitter. see you next time i've been, i think

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