in politics, society and in the media and a position to this day, post school persecution, the place of west german, cynthia, and roma. in 45 minutes on d. w. bay with love on banning them away from that. but i'm not even know how to work my own god and everyone with later holes and everything. just kidding, are you ready to meet the german then join me, right? just do it on d. w. this is did of the news africa coming up on a program. not everyone can conceive a child due to the challenge of infertility. so what options do couples have an idea more people are warming out to the idea of surrogacy to get someone else to carry the child with no loss in place. the practice can be risky. sort of it's how

you monday we ad agreement. yes. yeah. human beings and become brick agreement. and so the 1st, 2nd, 3rd surrogate broke i agreement. and thousands of zimbabwe ends live in in south africa. could soon be kicked out of the country. if they lose a court case. we'll meet one teacher who says, stay and is his only option. ah, i am eddie micah junior. welcome to the program, one in 6 people around a well struggles with in fertility, a condition that prevents a couple from having children. according to the world health organization in fertility does not discriminate between high meadow or low income countries. in fact, in nigeria, africa's most populous country,

some experts suggest one in 4 people are unable to have children. so some opt for surrogacy, where another person carries the pregnancy for them a decade ago. this was very rare, but i still use a mock. i'll call your reports. it's now become so common that surrogacy agencies are imagine, although they're still new, adequate laws guiding the procedure with myra and myra judith's children. but she wasn't pregnant with them and she didn't give birth . they were carried and borne by his sorrow gate. judy has the auto immune disease loopers, which means she couldn't carry a baby to term. she decided to find a surrogate to have her babies for her. she tells me that it wasn't simple for her . it wasn't a direct process because saragossa human beings, we had agreements. yes. what's the, are you members under come break agreements?

and so the 1st, 2nd, even the thought forgives brooke agreement breaking agreements like i wish she was 30 process and midway. i don't want to do this except you do this for me. it was, it's off period. judith found a surrogate who successfully bore her children, and she tend to experience into a business. she now runs surrogacy agency, the full service costs, the parents around $3000000.00 narrow or $6000.00 euros after medical costs, and the agency fee associates can expect to get about half of that. that's around 3 and a half years of minimum wage. this woman is pregnant with someone else is twins, babies. it is her 2nd, sorry, get pregnancy. she knows all about the home on medication that is needed fine implanted pregnancy and to worry about whether it will work. she asked us not to

identify her on the piazza. you know, why study man? because you just lose any work you're doing that and at up once. so he's 5050 is that i will gain or lose i was on was is really bright. so on those mental be korea for the gold i want to send to the positive so that i won't waste my time. another positive, like maybe 2 or 3 months is asked to be careful too, because you can lose its, its own is not careful. so that part is scary. how does she think she will feel when she has the babies and gives them to the parents? after what is on my egg? says no, my spam, i'm just a carrier. i have my own children. that is, i can do this l e, but i don't sure i can do it because it is mine and i can afford to lose my own child. by in this case, i'm just a courier says on my child. if you look for a surrogacy lawyer,

nigeria, this is what you find. the reason one currently parents surrogates on agencies use contract law did it says she would like to see and smooth or better regulate of system. so everyone involved has more certainty. she wants to help others who have struggled with infertility, help the children they want. like she does so sorry. jesse is clearly not uneasy procedure. what makes it even more complicated? an idea is that there is no clear legal framework guiding the process. so how much of a challenge is that i asked that she knew a been in the commercial lawyer in boucher well, it was a very big challenge because right now from what i understand people personally and that's no contract, you know,

on the usual sort of either or just the reasons for commercial reasons, not because there's no guidance or guidance on this issue. it's from to i views, you know, i'm sure you have most of head of a baby factory alone across nigeria, coffee to montana, people on the, on the issue. so there's a kind of a block market right now, because if it's offering to just meet you all the solar and gave and the best more local abuse might call me. you know, there's no copy of that because the law provides for this issue and seen it's current on the age, girls might be going to people from disadvantage communities might be

wanted for financial reasons. so i mean, it sounds very sales that this whole situation could be abused. why is the gum in trying to do anything about it? why is there no particular law for surrogacy? oh, you know, mind you know we, we feel we're very right. a tried to punch, you know, a lot of issues i know of in the front. one of the things that issue, like i said, reproduction is it's still something that a lot of people don't want to talk about. it's just ended up past 560 and that seems like i vs getting why done now in my euro here, because the poll your really just try this. you know,

once we man would want to be the want to car we children who for 10. yeah. yeah. i mean, i think you've made up points clear back to the type of contract at all because this is the issue you're talking about, the black market side of it. but as also, i don't know if we can see white, mike, an audit legal, so to speak market of it's where people openly are saying, yeah, this is an agency where just like a report we saw the say, this is an agency where, you know, if you're struggling to have a kid, you can come and we can provide you with a surrogate mother, so to speak. so it seems it's also being done in the open. how do you just oppose illegal? it is between that and the black market situation. ok now if the hot to the end of the contract, you a pen the between maybe like i mentioned the so again, agencies that handle this issue now move from the subject to the

contract. government contract. no, that's not contract with an individual. now we have to look. 5 if there was no mis, mister with mr. patient, but he's the, so we get more than the, the, the women and i say, you know, all matthew, out on that issue most be present. it also the most will be you read, you know, those, the surrogate mother shouldn't be any time on the read was set to be a surrogate if the contract was ends on the, on the do it now it's, it's void of who on the night you run laws please, you have a charge of less than a agreed to be if someone gets mother the contract is void. in fact,

it's not on why that been issue. you know, so there are a lot of them will be an issue to what examining soft. so we'll get contract. ok, clearly a lot of issues need to be ironed out if such a law as to exist that she knew event. i'm a lawyer in boucher. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. now the option of fraternity treatment is also complicated and expensive in africa and beyond adding to that distress and stigma that the effect of people already face. i discussed this with pre year fear by the president of the association for fraternity and reproductive health nigeria. he starts by telling us the state of infertility in africa, most populous country. it's the most common reason for gaining

political consultation in most of our clinics. and the prevalence is rather appears to be increasing recently and also seen many more people complaining of inability to conceive. oh, i mean that has my attention. why does it seem that more and more people are suffering from infertility? well, maybe because awareness is better. unfortunately, most of the data we have is based on hospital. so vs and a lot of clients who go to clinics outside where research is done and not captured . so we have a lot of people, the health system is divided into 2 main sectors that the, for my health system, private and public. most of the government hospitals attend to those that are

reported. well, we have a large number of private facilities who probably get that for even more than the patients don't seem government hospitals. and most of the data from the office is not reported. however, we are recently trained carry out nationwide. so the, so that we have a better understanding of the provenance of it. yeah, definitely sounds like a challenge now when it comes to in fertility, basically meaning not being able to have kids. many point fingers are that woman. but as we know, and as you said, a bit earlier man can also be in fair to al, isn't that right? absolutely, absolutely. and it's not just men can also be denied experience. generally, about 30 percent of cases are due to factors in the woman. another 30 percent in fact, on each of those in the man. and then we have about 20 percent where you have

combination of factors in both the man and the woman. and then for about 10 percent we did turn that on explain. so for today, because we really can pinpoint it now and what's maybe causing the problem. so men or women in our environment contribute equally to the cause issues. what are some of the practical things that one can do to increase chances of having kids? so start from those who have not yet commenced the process and we advise preventive measures before you move that train. good diary, early lifestyle exercise. i avoid multiple social partners avoid debacle and alcohol as much as you can. and that's where you reduce the risks that

you encounter. and then for those who initiated the process and have started train, how long don't wait for too long. if you notice that it's a problem, you should seek appropriate medical care any so simple methods like a general practitioners and then you want a streams to do so. but when it starts becoming complicated, you wait to see again, ecologist, and if need be, if it gave you appropriately, if i reach you and can give you the appropriate treatment that assist in getting you pregnant. doctor, pre a fear by president of the association for fertility and reproductive health in nigeria. thank you. now imagine this, you settled in a new country for many years. it's

a place that even feels like home, but now the government is trying to kick you out. that's the situation facing nearly 200, thousands and by williams in south africa who were granted residency in 2008 on a case that called decide the fate human rights groups have asked the court to stop the government from doing so. by the clock is ticking us residents payments will expire at the end of june. did abuse christine wound were method t change or harness bag? who's hoping to remain in south africa? fall from his home in zimbabwe been mad suddenly is contemplating the future. his life in south africa might soon be coming to an end. he's been earning a living in johannesburg, teaching and waiting tape is the typical day for me. go to it to, to school in the morning. and then later, go to restaurant. there was at the school in,

at any mush of to the well around and mix is immune is learned when my innings aside to children and the wife and other issues with little watch what i seem to madison way can live and work legally in south africa because he has his and bobby an exemption permit. these permits were offered to them, bobby, and who had been living in south africa and documented. and those who were seeking asylum of to some babe's violent election in 2008. now, after 12 years, the south african government is canceling. the permit and permit holders have been told to apply for work visas. but these will only be given to applicants with critical skills. like the majority of permit holders, montgomery's work is not considered to be critical. over the border and been

a while, his wife and 2 daughters worry about him having to return to the bubbly middle class. i just need to know how in meeting decide if i'm in a can. we can assist in the things on the 4th tool before the why children sees in the needs data coming back to him, is that a li, a life changing thing? it means that i'll have to drop out of college. i'm going to start a colleague in i'm about to finish. so if he comes back to 0, that means i have to drop out of the living standards ins above we have been in decline since the early 2, thousands to day about half of the population is reported to be living in poverty. some bobbins have my greater to neighboring countries in big numbers. many have come to south africa and there is

a growing anti immigrant sentiment in south africa that has at times escalated, divided on current. some have suggested that with mauricio maintain, that reason home is we're always a temporary arrangement. and therefore, wait, citizenship, all her minute residence rights groups have asked a court to stop the government from canceling the permits. there was no public consultation and with the stakeholders prior to the decision being made to terminate the permits. if you have enabled people to, you found families from lives here and careers that she give them that fair opportunity to make representations so that you understand the circumstances of the a life and what they faith when you make the decision to terminate. and that is

absent in terms of the decision that has been made by the south african government here been madison were at hope's. the court will rule in favor of the appeal. he doesn't want to go back to some public soldiers outweighs or something stupid and go big. the inspector came, i read, frederick freeman, finding guilty or other go somewhere. if the court rejects the appeal, been madison order and edison bobby an exemption permit holders have until the end of june to leave south africa just so you know, we reached out to south africa ministry for home affairs for comment. but they did not respond to our requests. the court case goes ahead next week. and one of the legal practitioners representing some autism bobbins affected a symbol she tando is in bobbie and lawyer based in south africa. he told me why he thinks he can win the case argument is that when people

have been in the country residing lawfully, these are not legal immigrants. these are not refugees. these are people that have lawful rights in the country for the past 12 years. that is no longer a temporary arrangement. it is a situation where the vast majority of these people have given almost 2 decades of their most productive lives. and, and yet they are differently permanent in the country. and they have goods roots in the country. they've got the bonds of homes and that they're paying for. they've got financial arrangements that with children in the country, they've got the contribution to the fiscal of the, of the country and the gross domestic product of the country. so there are different t permanently in the country without it. ok. ok, but here's the thing. who, who decides whether they should be there permanently or temporarily?

is that not the government? the law, the government applies to legislation. so, in this, in this matter, the law says after 5 years or any foreign national who has lawfully lived in south africa, should be allowed to apply for permanent residency in the country. and that is what we will be arguing. well, at least i will be arguing that in court on tuesday next week, on the 11th of april, the law says after 5 years, and bob, we're nationals, all the city p holders that i'm representing have a right to apply for premier isn't at the end. the government can only deny the application if they have committed the crime, if they have in any way violated the stay in the country prior to

the application for them to residency. and none of that has been alleged. what has actually happened is that the government has decided, look, we have made a decision for you to leave after 12 years. and throughout those 12 years, the government just try to block. this is important to try to block the city, the city p. all that is bobbins attempts to apply for a permanent residency in the country for the past 1213 years. ok. but when you say they've tried to blog, what does the government stand to gain from, from this action and the government then this african government does not stand to gain anything. in fact, if anything they stand to lose a lot by their decision, the center who's, you know, skilled some, bob wins who are on the city. you know,

who are part of the economic fabric of this country. the real estate of the country they, they stand to lose a lot. but notwithstanding the fact that they tend to lose a lot and they have seen the evidence, you showed it to them as part of the proceedings that they stand to lose a lot from the situation. there's a mass exodus also involvement, but they still, they've done it anyway. and the reason why i believe they've done it is because they're appealing to the populace. who i have shown recently, i think, is as recent as last year that they will vote for smaller parties that once and bob winds up. so the agencies under pressure in this did look, we don't care if we would rather stay in power and then protect the bobbins in the country. ah,

now so far, 2023 has been very busy for many nigeria especially considering that presidential elections were held earlier this year. so maybe it's time to catch a break as we get into the long easter weekend. didn't use alyssa tacoma from our studio in lagos. nigeria looks at how some people will be spending their time. ah, around half of nigeria simulation is kristin. did a great deal here and elsewhere is that is the most important part of all of the year. and will be heading to church. newton is the period we are asked doki process . holly, not only did he say, but what is this a good and bad pipe? you deeply do your, what do you do? how you behave of i mean is there a reason or about i was right. it needs. 2 happiness, it has no idea,

lucas. and so for me is it below go to print out a bureau though forgiveness if you don't know, but to see this east that he's also the 1st. a big public holiday, it was been a top year with a long and challenging presidential election, a fuel cache on the cost of living prices. people are looking forward to a break. yeah, of course i'm good. so how do you do that with my family states? we then bought, we did, you know, we did all the time, you know, i might be going to the bid. so my be all 3 next he said to and this is over. so did you both probably do for the is or i'll pick out for my 1st relax booth at new shy as bob all over? i by very good. i want to watch your plans out, but wishing you a happy long east out weekend. that's how we wrap up the show. for my while story school to our website, d, w dot com slash africa. you can also visit us on facebook and twitter. see you next time i found out i

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