[000:00:00;00] ah, it may be the most significant leak of us classified material in more than a decade, and it may not even be over yet. there could be more documents to be leaked. we simply don't know and who's responsible? what could the motive be and how in the world were top secret documents posted on social media weeks before any one noticed that just some of the unanswered questions in what is quickly becoming a, a p r. disaster for the united states. i brink off in berlin. this is the day. ah, we all know who's responsible for this,

and we don't know if they have more than that they, they intend to, to post safe to say, this is one of the most damaging intelligence links the century. so far. this is information that has no business in the public domain. it is absolutely clear at this stage of us intelligence community regard has to get its house it and is that a matter of concern to us? you know, right. it also coming up in a world increasingly dominated by either the u. s. or china. what role does europe have to play tonight and answer from french president emanuel mac roam descending sovereignty doesn't mean to shy away from all and eyes. it means that we must be able to choose our partners and shape. i'll on this t risen being, i would say, a mere witness of the dramatic evolution of his word. which of our viewers watching on p

b. s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the fallout from the most significant leak of u. s. government secrets. since wikileaks, more than a decade ago, the pentagon is reportedly trying to narrow down the number of people who may have had security clearance to the tribe of classified documents. first leaked on social media back in early march. as the search for the source of the li continues, washington is busy doing damage control. the revelation suggests the u. s. and spied on key allies including israel and south korea on tuesday. so dismissed a significant number of the files calling them fake. the pentagon says it's ordered and internal review describing the leak as a very serious no security risk for the washington post is reporting that the leaked information could implicate a u. s. ally, egypt in the cells of weapons to russia. the documents reportedly reveal egyptian

president ideal fought to l. c. c. ordering the production of 40000 rockets for moscow, and that he told officials to keep it secret. to avoid problems with the west. i want to bring in now amy hawthorne. she is the deputy director of research at the project on middle east democracy. she joins me tonight from washington. it's good to have you with us. so what is your reaction to the, i'll see, see leak assuming, of course that what we're hearing is true, right? if the leak is accurate, i, as a long time egypt washer, i find it stunning that egypt president would take the risk of going against the us. and europe top global priority right now, which is defeating russia in ukraine. and egypt, of course, does have relations with russia that also has very close and very important ties with the united states and with europe. and i find it quite stunning,

that presidency would. i would risk those relations by making such a bold and potentially illegal move. and the washington post a be quoted and official saying, we have no indication that any such plan has been executed. now that is not exactly the same thing as saying that egypt did not seriously consider ordering. the rockets. absolutely. you notice something very important about the wording about quote and john kirby today, i believe also used kind of a carefully worded response, which is we in the present tense, the us doesn't see any evidence that this the sale or the transfer is happening. now. i haven't seen any denial by the u. s. government yet. that the egyptian government was you know, not planning such a sale. what i have no information of course, but i would speculate that since february 17th when that's

a legit report that was leaked out, was prepared intelligence report senior us officials have probably been engaging their egyptian counterparts and saying don't even think about doing that. don't even think about making this plan a reality. remind as a b, if you will, just how much support does the u. s. provide to egypt? the u. s. provides about $1400000000.00 a year to egypt in grants, a not loans, but grants that come from the generosity of the american taxpayer. the vast majority of that aid is military aid, and the u. s. has been supplying and equipping and training agents military for about 4 decades now. the u. s. provides these days much less in terms of direct economic support to cairo. but the u. s. plays a critical role, of course,

in institutions like the international monetary fund and the world bank who provide aid to egypt, that is a lifeline literally to keep president ccs economy from collapsing. so the u. s. has both a very important military and an economic relationship with egypt for many decades . now, president biden's national security strategy for the middle east makes a point of partnering with countries. countries that subscribe to a rules based international order. how does egypt fit that description? well, that's an excellent question. as soon as i read the washington post report last night, i actually went back and looked again at the national security strategy that the binding ministration issue last fall. and i was reminded that in fact, when it comes to the middle east, north africa, the biden white house, the stated that its, its 1st principle, its 1st priority in the mean

a region is supporting and strengthening relationships with partners, quote unquote that uphold the international rules based order, now, it seems to me that the united states and europe at least a believe that russia's illegal invasion of ukraine and the war crimes that russia has committed and continues to commit. and ukraine are a very, very serious challenge to that international rules based order. so egypt, if this report is correct, was seeking to be absolutely the wrong side of that us priority. and i also found it very notable that the egyptian government in its response, has stressed that egypt official official position on the war. and ukraine is basically to maintain, almost like a neutral, an independent position. this sort of neutrality or independent position, has been 1st of disappointment for the united states and for europe,

but certainly seeking to manufacturer and provide arms for russia for use in its ukraine war. it would not leave egypt at a position atrocity, it would put them squarely on the side of russia. so it's quite shocking shocking in and i'll throw this one out as you do a, b u. s. defense secretary lloyd austin. he was recently in egypt pushing for the production of artillery rounds for ukraine because egypt has the capacity to manufacture, soviet style munitions. now we have to let that sink in. is washington really convinced by the backing it's getting from l. c. c, in egypt. well, if i were serving in the binding ministration at this time, which i'm not, i would be questioning, asking very, very serious questions about our relationship with egypt. the bible ministration is very clear, right? it knows, as did the trump administration, as did the obama administration,

that cc has been pursuing much closer relations with russia for some time. and i believe that the biden administration, like its predecessors, have thought to manage that and see what it can do with this influence. and leverage to keep cc more or less on the side. but then, you know, the game changed completely when, when russia illegally invaded ukraine last year. and so the idea that that the egyptian leader would potentially be providing military support to russia. you know, put, puts egypt in a very, it's a very, it raises some very uncomfortable questions about who side egypt is on when it comes to, you know, not just us priorities, but also european priorities. europe is a very important supporter and partner dejection, regina, and the war and ukraine is your top priority as well right now? yeah, this is a very important questions that are demanding answers right now. that is for sure. amy hawthorne,

the deputy director of research at the project on middle east democracy, and we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. on joy now by holger beck of a member of the german chance or olaf schultz, his social democrats. he also sits on the parliament committee for digital affairs . it's good to have you with us this evening. you know, we have been here before, we've had, we've seen a controversy, a crisis where the in a se was caught spying on the cell phone of former chancellor, angular miracle. how worried are you this time about relations between germany in the united states? good evening. and to be honest, i would not be too much surprised because you honestly have to be pretty naive to expect that there is not some kind of mutual. busy intelligent gathering,

calling that way. so in that regards, i don't think that it will damage any existing relationships. it's more of an embarrassment actually for the various us agencies. we still don't do not know exactly where the leak is coming from. i mean, that's obviously a source of concern for the u. s. and it shows a lot of the classical components of a disinformation campaign. so you have a couple of genuine documents. you have a couple of documents which are obviously tempered with. and you have a couple of other documents we don't know, are they genuine, or are they fake? and so you actually generate a lot of mistrust bullets list. i'm focused on the documents that reportedly concerned arms deliveries to ukraine. i mean, we know that the picture that's being painted right now is

a ukrainian military that is not on the brink of collapsing. but almost at that point, is that going to put pressure on germany to deliver more heavy weapons to ukraine. there has been controversial, there has been criticism of germany dragging its feet when it comes to delivering tanks. for example. i think the documents so far have at least for the people who are, let's say, closer informed about the military situation will not contain significant surprises . i mean, everybody has known that the ammunition situation is pretty dire, and i don't think it will add increasing pressure on either germany or the other allies. and what i think it does, however, is generate a discussion about logistics. and of course a question how to, how can we actually safeguard deliveries because that's actually one of the more

concerning issues on these documents. if they are genuine. of course it puts the deliveries of weapons and ammunition in danger. mister wicker, i want to ask you what we've got you here. you know, there were comments made over the weekend in the interview by the fridge president regarding the situation with taiwan. basically a president macro was saying that europe should be sovereign enough that he doesn't have to follow the u. s. if there is a conflict with chinese, should be sovereign enough to decide who its allies will be. is he speaking for germany when he says that not at all. actually i had the pleasure to spend today with the taiwan representative here in germany, professor here. and we obviously discuss my cross statements. and it becomes pretty clear that this is not

a statement which has been cleared with the european partners. i think it's pretty clear that all the what we now call like minded nations, we'll have to stand together. and we will urge china to really stick to the current status quo. that's the message we have to send. and i don't think that the statements of my crawl were meant to, to somehow distance ourselves from, from the us and also to distance ourselves from the situation. we haven't taiwan right now. well perhaps the, the, the comments made by president micron are filling a vacuum that has been created with the departure of angle america from the european scene. we know that former, the former german chancellor, she was very strong in her transit lantus, his attitudes. and we know now that it seems that the voice of germany is not as

strong with chancellor off shoals. that is allowing president macaroni to you to put his vision out there. am i giving an accurate description of the situation? i wouldn't say that i think these were the same allegations which are actually made during angela marshall's term as well. and i think what we definitely have to do is we have to put more emphasis on developing joint european positions in a changing geopolitical geopolitical situation. i think that's for sure, and i am actually urging our politicians, especially on the european level to come up with a more integrative process to formulate these european positions in it in a world which obviously is changing rapidly. and the phrase tightened. linda cannot be overemphasized because it really has shaken or

a fundamental belize in geopolitical polity, policies out, which means and, and that's actually what's happening right now is of course we're trying to develop national strategies in our relationship to russia to china. but that can only happen and will only be successful if that is done in a european context. yeah, well they're still what the talk about. we hope we can come back and talk with this again mr. holger becker, a member of the german parliament for the social democrats. mr. becker, we appreciate your time to night. thank you. thank you very much. my pleasure. ah, for just 2 days ago, french president meadow mac ron gave an interview in which he said that europe should not get involved in a conflict between the united states and china. if tensions over taiwan increased, it was part of a longer interview, which he used to call for more european sovereignty. was it a macro that wine, his vision for europe and what that sovereignty should stand on?

you noted that the pandemic and the war in ukraine provide instructions of what needs to change some of what he said won't be easy. listening for frances closest hour. those were decided to corporate, to make tate with neighbors, even if they went notes. allies, russia for energy because we decided, defacto that played could be the best way to cooperate, could crates in rivers to the links and precisely avoid the also to be aggressive. they decided to weaponized than putting us in a completely crazy, an unbelievable situation. something we can wall just pushed us in a situation to discovers it. we have to reduce our dependencies. if you want to preserve european identity, also wise, we will progressively be dependent on everything i want to bring in yuk abrazzo.

now he is the alfred oppenheim center for the future of europe with that center, that is an organization looking at how the european union can become more strategic in its decisions and actions. and what this would require from germany, joyce be denied comparisons. good to have you with us when we hear the french president, they're talking about those who bought russian energy being the ones who weapon nice energy and wondering how is that going to go down here in berlin? well, it's, it certainly hurt, and it's a criticism that has been heard, as you can imagine a lot throughout the past month that has been hurt a lot. so since russia's written, you'd aggression against ukraine back in february of last year. and i think it's, it's a, some kind of reflects that is announced as well to the chris, a criticism that france and the president mccall have suffered after those remarks

on china, on the u. s. and our relationship and the role of europe in this relationship towards taiwan. yeah. and let me pick up on, on what he said about trying to tie wine this speech. it came in just a couple of days after microns politico interview, saying europe should not get mixed up in a conflict between the u. s. in china is macro, is he looking for a future in which france does not have to pick sides? that's a good question. i don't think that's and that was a very common interpretation of his remarks in the political and lazy core interview that frank was somehow putting china and the u. s. on power that these relationships should be equal. france and the european union. i don't think that's what the president my call meant, but yes,

i think that he wanted to underline that. and gentlemen, the friendly position and the condition of the european union, visa, the china and the u. s. and was a position of strength of independence in this mounting conflict between the 2 blocks of super powers, blocked as the french and my call it. and that the european union should be careful not to be direct into a conflict. it has no particular stakes, and that's what he said, and that's what there's a massive criticism, which is i, including and burn linens in germany. so i'm wondering if we give too much weight to the words of mac crohn. do you think we the media or all of us in general, are we guilty of treating mac, ron, as if he were the president of the european union? no, i don't think so. i think that's awesome. and this came out in the previous interview that my call is one of the most senior lead us within the european union now. and

now that i'm gonna marco, germany's past chancellor is gone. he's one of the leading voices in europe, and he has a very disruptive style in his political communication. he made proof of that in the past, and it was a very, it has been a hot thing fault for allergies to cope with the past. and let's remember 2019, when he called nato brain dead. so i think it's part of his style of communication, of politics that he wants to push this he bade forward by choosing very stock words and very, very aggressive discourse if you will. yeah. i mean, he's definitely provoked with his pros, if you will. we have to remind ourselves, i think as well that germany is deeply tied to transit. lantus ism, poland, prime minister calls the alliance with the united states,

an absolute foundation of european security. is there anything then in macros, vision that would appeal to germany and to po? well, i think that the, his deep conviction that the european union needs to be strengthened and, and 1st and foremost in security and defense is something that is, that is shared both in berlin and then also the means to do that is probably the point of contention but i think fundamentally, what my cause aiming at strength and europe with regard to russia with regard to china. and also with regard to the u. s. i think is something that is largely shared with in europe. the problem being that his, again, his style of communication, his vocabulary strategic autonomy, european sovereignty is at times misunderstood, misinterpreted. and that is timing, frankly. who are, i mean,

the fact that he came out with these comments flying back from his visit with key and just our later chinese military started maneuvering around ty, yvonne was just a very, very quick signal and perceived as such, both in the u. s. and the european union. yeah. do you think we could see macro now as being damaged goods for the rest of europe? he's not going to run for election again. and we know that he's taking a hit by all of these protests over his plans to reform the countries pension system. yes, i think so at least in the short term. and he has clearly done damage to, to the message of western unity. first of all of trans atlantic unity, i think that part of this is probably some kind of a revenge that has to be buried and mindful what happened. and in 2021 a with the august deal. when, when france was excluded from,

from the summary deals of the u. s. m. well, that's the french reading at least step of france in the back in this region. and i think my calls comments on the relationship between the, the us, china and the european union is at least an echo to that. but yes, i think he has done damage, and we will see hopefully, if this debate as dip the brain, that comments will spur a healthy and helpful debate for the european union going forward. yeah, we will see that is for sure. yeah. cobra's, with the alfred oppenheim center for the future of europe yucca. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. ah. and finally, like mother like sun, 24 year old australian pro surfer ethan ewing has just won the same title that was clenched by his late mother, helen lambert, back in 1983 you're going to achieve. read has been

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