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the for barcelona star is accused of raping a woman in a bar. sloane and nightclub last december of this has been in jail since late january, but his denied any wrongdoing and is told the judge, she had consensual sex with the alleged victim. you're watching dw news up next close up. looks at the struggle for abortion rights in poland for she get all the latest news information any time you want on our website at d, w dot com. i'm terry martin. for me it's all of us here. thanks for watching. the trio taking on nigerian trafficking works. i'm for this did this. oh, in those mounting evidence that nigerian human trafficking enforced constitution are also taking place here in the school with the trio, combating,
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shady dealings starts april 29th on d. w. ah, a woman is buried here in the cemetery of the southern polish community of pish, gena. she only lived to the age of 30 ah, isabella's law of swindle. natasha isabella died because the doctors didn't help us copies at one long and because of our abortion and poland was stubborn. ah, bout about us global as the deceased woman's sister in law,
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she rarely comes to ease as grave. as the anger and grief overwhelmed her. she little jean guts e we have to carry this heavy burden and learn to live without isa. la maya, what's your school's bold? and we have to support her daughter maya. just after this, i found it hard to talk about my feelings because i know what little my as going through the isa to rise, or she says as the mice, because she lost her mother. my are or to valet, but we started he's a died much like 6 other women in a similar situation who were also in danger of losing their lives as their garcia could my brother gregory and the whole family blame not only the doctors, but politicians too. it proved to kristen and that was, they are the ones who title, the abortion law presented his. we're still waiting for. just tell us by the,
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the bush today is donna, that's easy house out there. she lived here on the corner. don't place them over tonight or one. how could a healthy young pregnant woman like isa die so suddenly? ah, isabella sideboard was a hair dresser. she was always changing her hair color and hair styles for fun. mm. due to complications and the 22nd week of her pregnancy isa was admitted to this hospital and pushed jenna is as go sure she had allergies. i went to the hospital on september 20th 2021 or should we?
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she died the next morning at 7 o'clock, lost them couldn't go via, but alo, after either was admitted to the hospital, doctors found the fetus was severely deformed and there was no amniotic fluid either already had an infection caused by the fetus. yet the doctors did nothing. poland strict law prohibits terminations even on fetuses which are non viable. these are sent messages to her husband from her hospital bed. it does it does these other messages which i have to wait until the fetus is how it stops beating. thanks to the peace government, there is no other way why. maybe they will do something if they have to save my life. it's terrible that they have such regulations. so my o these as infection led to sepsis, which caused her deaf warsaw mid january 2023, a crowd outside. the court house is waiting for a woman who has been on trial for months for assisting. and abortion
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uses out that once keys authority, 3 years in the socialist, poland, we could decide on our own fatality. ideally we had a portion of it, but we also gave birth to children. i'm not concentrating how pregnancy can endanger a woman's life. it's not just a step backwards. now. everything is getting downhill here. now. william justina visions guy has become a symbolic figure in poland and activists to fight for the unrestricted right to abortion and helps pregnant women in need. she could be imprisoned for up to 3 years for sending a woman an abortion pill. there is solidarity both in poland and abroad. i'm here to support us on a day to with justina because them has been hearing from people from the drain, refugees living in poland and who are basically coming here and then realizing that
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they cannot access an abortion if they need one. and bonham's today could be the day of the verdict for justina, verizon sca. it's that the siding phase of the landmark case. ah, the staff members of abortion dream team support justina the founder of the organization. the little renee, the customer i've, i'm nervous like i am every time it's very stressful. they're in today. i heard from one of the female politicians here that it will be more like a marathon than a sprint. unfortunately, putting alum, she much isn't like, like i thought, i hope my strength will last a little longer. you started off with the trial and the related protests are being followed from far beyond poland, borders with 40. that is
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a political trial against an act of as to send an abortion pell to a woman who needed help with justina vigorous and sca has been helping women to obtain abortions for 17 years. so far she has avoided trouble with a legal system, as she simply gave pregnant women advice on ordering abortion pills abroad. but during the pandemic, she shipped the medication herself. legally, a crucial difference. she was reported by the partner of the pregnant woman who used the abortion pill. you stand over there, jessica assent. he will be heard as a witness to day i just went on the pregnant woman contacted euston, a vision sca because she was in an abusive relationship. and the abortion pill from abroad did not arrive during the pandemic. for you then a video to jessica, this was an emergency. did she know what she was risking when she sent the pill?
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it's our long long. i knew photoshop. i've been working in the field for years. i know abortion lot. i would be lying if i said i didn't know the risk i was taking. well, i mean, i knew it very well. not the math, but in that situation i just had to send her the abortion pellets. it wasn't. there was no other. hey, shannon down. mm. hm. oh, since the abortion law was further strengthened in 2020, there have been mass protests in poland. a legal termination is only possible if the pregnant woman has been raped or her life is in danger. according to polls, 70 per cent of polish people are against the stricter law. but there is also approval for the strict law. we visit the large pool we do family
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near wood ana pulido has 7 children with an 8th on the way. she is very religious and says she would never have an abortion even if her life were in danger. it was there for him with because that's she loves, as selfishness should and stuff that's from having children to daniel, should talk each new life costs us some about an energy hog at the good. you need to have as a heritage to lose a part of your life and gain new life. and what's your business guess? ah, ana povey do takes care of her children full time and also home schools. them together with her husband. the couple have set up a catholic foundation to promote homeschooling, ana advises other families and gives workshops. oh no them along with the child benefit they receive around $110.00 euros per
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child per month. the family has enough to live on. once a year, the children are tested by a state school ana and her husband can not imagine a better life for their large family. ah, oh hey little and let them whatever it is for us. it's very important that the family is always together in like in the holy family where mary was the teacher of jesus and he grew up in his father's chem fagel, osa, his parents who went to educate their children. well zoom noticed that public schools take something away from them. for instance, the influence they want to have on their children. my own legit you on a puppy do is currently preparing one of her workshops for pregnant women, which she holds in catholic communities around wounds. they are steeped in the strict catholic values by which she and her family live.
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this is those of it's a funny and glum shine. we women have to take a backseat. that is our destiny. as mother his mother. nature has created us to games and protect life latisha, brazil had anya at the moment a woman decides to have an abortion. they must be a huge drama in her haunt. jay said phone to the conservative with that i'mma, but evil will always be punished on that false. the evil here is the killing of another human being would be to be the tow vehicle. i for on a pope do having an abortion is like running a child over in the street back to the trial of activist houston over the vision sca in warsaw. further witnesses are being questioned. jakob swanny of ski is in the court room as an
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observer. he is a member of the ultra conservative lawyers association, or do you, reese, which aims to further restrict the abortion law. his association is well connected to the polish government the hearing ends with no verdict for use than of a division sca and a new appointment is fixed. yang is it when you being so you haven't, i mean no more exhausted than before. in fact, i'd say that i've regained a little energy. i'm glad things are moving forward. i'm sure the pub, ah, with 222922597, call us. there are still abortion pills and terminations available abroad. the
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activists shout into the crowd. 7 7 7 ah, the anti abortion protesters are also demonstrating in front of the court house by playing the sound of a baby crying over the loudspeakers. her. 4 7 0, i speak with youtube, swanny of sky of ordo juris leaves the courtroom without giving an interview. he later invites us into his law firm as a representative of the public interest or do you rece is allowed to participate in the trial. the christian fundamentalists have few supporters in society, but are well connected to the ministry of justice. order you rece is fighting to assign the legal status of a patient to a fetus form of thumped on the order to put so
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much ability for sir, you know, review when it comes to abortion access the legalization is much better in poland than in many other countries, especially european ones, mother, however, we still have some objections and we are trying to extend the protection of unborn life in different ways. was good on cool. was was, i know furniture wasn't the order you rece has prepared to report for the court, pointing out that e, you, law does not actually accept abortion. friendship promoted. i'll be more the term facilitating an abortion can mean many things. so it wasn't a photo, it could be assistance with a surgical termination or liquid or it could mean handing over an abortion pill on the one issue. whether the pill is delivered by mail or handed over personally on either way enables the termination of a pregnancy with lucas of the flu. back to you in a video shantika. the 49 year old lives in
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a small town near warsaw and has 3 children. the worse now she has done the russia . if i'm on a subway in warsaw and a young woman suddenly approaches me and asks justina, let me hug miss jana. being recognized on the street is new for me. if it's not, is to use, then a video resent can never wanted to become famous. the fact that she is a full time activist today has to do with her own story. natasha wagner lay a lot. see it all started. when i had an abortion in 2000 and sex, said the kid, the shall come less. you be at that time, i was completely on my own as about 2 hours of pockets. it's new thing financing. it was hard to get any information and then that the, for example, how to take the abortion housing of ya young. that's cool. that's like there were many different sellers rather than to 100. and every one recommended a different dosage. it saw it. so he hadn't the england of california, she terminated her pregnancy at the time because her husband was abusive. she has
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no regrets why i want to have one on the bottom of the abortion was a turning point in my life. the script understood as it was an experience that allowed me to regain my self determination and my body is at 2 am. i started to see myself completely differently as a woman. shortly afterwards, eustace divisions, guy gave up her job as a chemist and founded the abortion dream team. back at the hospital and piss jenna bought about us grow bowl is suing the doctors who were treating her sister in law isa. when she died. in the hospital, he's got an infection and had a fever of 40 degrees. oh mama. oh good. michelle de la glare. very angry at the doctors as we see it if they didn't help isa rush to me. they'd have nothing at all. which cost either her light
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fixture dally 30th, and they are still working here in this hospital if walked zulu, they were brief, he suspended, but now they are back and working. hes not done it like a mockery for us. it makes a mockery of our tragedy. payneham, the snow shade for good but but us global is still waiting for an answer as to why the doctors behaved the way they did. the prosecutor's office is only just filing the indictment. at this point, the trial has not yet begun. the hospital refuses to comment on the case in front of our camera. they release a written statement due to the political context of this case, we do not give interviews at a public hearing on abortion in poland at the european parliament in brussels. but about us global reported on her sister in law's death we
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handle that excel ease of if i then to brussels, to tell them about the situation. my family is in ought to me to tell them what influence the legislation has undocked his decisions and patience lives. with us on shelter she, i believe this is something that should be openly talked about talking about how much suffering the tightened abortion low is inflicting on women of diction. jacoby it lawyer yolanda buds up sca wright's a blog giving information about medical errors during childbirth. boston she is representing ease of family and another family with a similar case sister in law. families lawyer shed. she too, was present at the public hearing in the european parliament in brussels. she said, phone doctors wait to stop treating her some kenya, obama. the reactions of the m. e p. 's were very moving through all. you could see that isa story, as well as the situation of polish women in general, touched the parliamentarians very much out of the puddle. sheila urged every school
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. or else we reported how easy was treated in the hospital, you know, and how she died there, go, you have, it made it very clear what damage laws can do to people about yuck. a daughter very . she had a cheap as a lawyer, yolanda knows what a predicament the stricter abortion law puts doctors in. more and more women have been denied an abortion even if there were grounds for it. they are increasingly contacting yolanda or with us when they swap some. most mostly mal patient saw the weakest link in this situation. usually near my of of, that's my doctors always decide what is legally the safest option for themselves. so they can avoid prosecution a profound them, some federal, a multi not, not even with all the emotional blackmail, just so i can kind of understand the doctors and stuff. know though i represent the victims family, but i think em, but call them on the capacity of attent off the thought to the needs to make
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a quick decision on the spot damage whether and when to perform an abortion from toys that us that saddam such, ah, and then the epo calona of convent on a povey do is preparing a workshop for pregnant women with her oldest daughter and in co operation with the nuns. her courses are offered for pregnancies with complications. ah, was a chavez, i always look forward to these workshops of their attended by wonderful women from all over poland and even from abroad. who come here to celebrate life leticia to them so that happy that they can be mothers smuggled. but they also come to cry over their wounds and they pain all that has been difficult for them. the choice in your voice message. but it's, you know,
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one local via to. so when the rome is carrying a life inside it, it is full of light tongue upon us, it is glowing because god is united with the little soul yakima. is there anything more beautiful than being pregnant? on i encourages the women to trust in god and pray if they are facing problems and fears you move in to day. i can proudly say that i am like an empress. isn't the good, not because i had a syrian, but because god has given me a new value, a new dignity level goes. ah ah.
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some amount because of the kids didn't i had to diagnoses of difficult ectopic pregnancies myself emotional goal. still in my heart, i felt that my life is not worth more than the life of the unborn child trustful that i trusted in god, and i am a life you will just such a child should never be killed out of fear for the mother's life. because we are mothers, we bear life, we must not forget the hurt of it's a fantasy that only external schmilo monopoly day was 8th child is due in 4 months . and she can imagine having even more children with. ready march 2023 in warsaw euston ivy that a jessica has more trial days coming up. well
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never the less her work in the warsaw office of abortion dream team must go on. used in a vision sca is in high demand. these days were ukrainian women are coming forward who were raped during the war and want to have an abortion. oh fact i process. yes . please go to the website. women health dot org dot org in not this there. you can order the abortion pel, the black blue. oh well i had the dot org, roman that had caught up got oregon was i've shot a bunch of elevated. the women who call me always want to tell me why they want the abortion this need to justify their wish comes from the stigma. see miss that. i mean, we want to ease things a bit for the women a 5th period. and we say that even if it sounds harsh enough that we are not interested in the reason for the abortion me, and i knew that us way over the electrical egyptian violence fail us that georgia
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normally, abortion dream team also offer seminars for women. but there is no time for that at the moment. oh, it's march 14th, 2023 and the verdict is expected to day. you are not alone the crowd chance? yes, i any simply not guilty. if any state is to blame, the prosecutor presents new evidence against houston avidity shantika her appearance and the polish parliament when she appealed for more liberal access to abortion. in addition to the prosecutor, there was another observer from the ultraconservative lawyers association. or do you, reese? she requests of fine for use than ever, that is jenica, as well as a restriction on her movements. you sent over that agenda as defense attorney
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protects the order you would use representative has severely overstep the mark. she is not a plaintiff in the law suitable, therefore, she is in no way authorized to propose any penalties whether she may give her opinion on the case in general. but she is not allowed to propose any sentencing you sent a visit to jessica herself pleads not guilty. look after the break, the verdict is announced. justina visions, guy and her companions have dressed up to celebrate the landmark case. it is, after all, a historic judgement for polish women of the century, the defendant justina vision. scott is found guilty of assisting a pregnant woman in the termination of her pregnancy by sending her the abortion pel use. then a visit agenda is sentenced to 8 months of community service and of rated by the
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activists like a hero. oh lamb, you the dogs up our do m b. who would i go and poured us before me. the real verdict came much earlier after the court hearing in february, we received a letter from another, a, the woman i sent the pill to accident. she thanked me for helping her. the 2 in the front, the red. yeah, but the thing that tanya, yes no hand, these are a bullshit pails is going to be what you didn't i did. it's not a crime you. most of it's just them. some thought, what you, the 11th percent of people in poland want me, cannot be a crime. is it that book for by yes, the wow, you stand a vision sca says ironically that she already completed her 8 months of social work long ago. emphasizing that she will continue to help women in need of an abortion in the future. the day after the trial, the judge who passed the sentence was promoted.
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i think it was thought this way. we're all like ah, yes, then every 3 chance guy is happy that the trial is finally over the cache them. it doesn't get them of us find the show. my own experiences with an abusive partner kept coming up there. they were hard moments for me. it's the memories kept re emerging. now it's hard even years later to think about what i experienced with him . it be a still not allen yet that the my biggest is that of the most are stressful. was the 1st day of the trial that us will now i'm exhausted. everything is boiling up in his i mean yeah, is shadows. i don't work here anymore. the me, i'm not nervous any more. his thoughts that i am tired all. it was in the difficult time on your daughter and the what. what else 3 is to throw in a tough it tila, bmw. you stand a vision's cause. i'll but also ease as death,
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have moved the country very much. is us still young? yes. question. the whole isa from persona lost her life in a polish hospital because of the doctors did nothing good. can you just pick that up for sky? they did not act to save her life for you and you look on the volley needs, needs o, are you calling in for the doctors? it is more important to cover their box legally, venetia, lunch, walterboro instead of say in the woman's like that unusual, a book, a glass door. oh, usually chicken age. mm. ease. as family is left with only grief and anger and a message inscribed on ease as gravestone. there will be no more nauseous, new vehicle. we will never come to terms with us and for which maturing her life
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was taken away. go to a woman who had a whole life ahead of her all her plans, all her dreams chips or gospel plan of emotion. ah ah ah, ah, what are sports? oh, a scoring. do we say there about never giving up sports like every weekend on
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