since fulton came to power after sham trial and moscow, vladimir kara, morsa was sentenced to 25 years in prison. his lawyer says the verdict could well be a death sentence. the 41 year old has severe health problems as being poisoned, not once, but twice in the past decade convicted of treason of collaborating with an undesirable organization and spreading what the kremlin calls fakes about the war in ukraine curran wars. and now face is a quarter of a century behind bars, but he remained defiant after hearing the verdict, he said, russia will be free. tell everyone, i'm the cough really can berlin and this is the day. ah, this is not a wife, since this is a death sentence, they will basically kill him in prison. this is absolutely nightmarish. what we're going through his family. so i'm crying on the inside right now. my friend and my

colleague because what they're doing to him was just truly and humane pay has proven time. and again that he would not that down that he would not abandon his fight. and so i think that that bruton has probably achieved one of his big games, which is to effectively terrorize zones. they hate him so much for his consistency, for his courage. also on the day the ukrainians, refusing to leave their homes on the front line is my only man, this is my homeland. i was born here, lived here. all my life. my parents are better to you. i don't want to leave my home. can you, could you restless with them? oh, well come to the show. he was one of the people behind the magnet ski act, the international legislation that exposed vladimir putin's inner circle to asset

freezes and travel restrictions. now vladimir kara morsa has been sentenced to 25 years in prison by moscow court. the journalist and politician has been involved in opposition activities for over 2 decades. it was a close friend and ally of the assassinated kremlin critic boris nymphs off the harsh punishment for kara. moore's eyes drawn widespread criticism around the world . after the verdict was read, his wife, who lives in the united states with couples. 3 children praised his courage, consistency, and honesty. he has proven time and again that he would not back down, that he would not abandon his fight, that he would not betray his country and betray his ideals that he would keep on fighting. and this sentence shows that they are so afraid of him, and they hate him so much for his consistency for his courage,

for his for his amazing bravery. it says absolutely knight marriage what we're going through as a family. but it is also absolutely not marriage. what we're going through as the country the russian state has made russia a country aggressor talking to russia analyst marios sniggle via from the center for strategic and international studies in washington, dc. good to see you. thank you for coming on the w today. what is your reaction to the verdict world just as everybody else? so when you are watching her personally and other things with martin, she's courage and commitment, or just fighting for your crew, for russia, for, for free and democratic russia. and of course, will course by of i was going on because this is really outrageous, even by gremlins own standards where the bar, unfortunately, has been really,

really low. yet, what do you say about the severity of the punishment? because it is striking isn't, doesn't play a quarter century o vladimir, who really suffers from a bunch of health conditions because i just reminded that the grandma tried to poison sledge in there twice in the boston with the substance, allegedly similar to knobby chuck, the agent. and the wrong to consequences to his home. oh, so this is for sure, really, really dangerous situation on top of everything else, right on top of just being charged for staying in prison for a quarter century. clearly all of that. so prevalence punishment for the effort that led to lead to proposed and implement this auctions towards cloud assumptions towards a, against the carolyn officials, the perpetrators in the keys of monkeys key on the 2006 deaf from where our back

and russian desert and lay everything on the kremlin side, and officials with the signal for all of us outside of russia who are actively trying to prosecute gramlin for this insistence, stream of atrocities that been committed in russia. domestic were. but now, so sort of russia in the crate, in particular, in the horse try to create this perception of fear on that socially. no matter how much you try or you'll end up losing this game. i guess that's the idea. the court is clearly making an example out of him there. i wanna, i want to get your view. what does this mean for this and in russia, and for people from russia who are, you know, working for the opposition or against the regime from outside the country. just one small point that it's delivered right then one of the ah judges on our

blood was trial was well sir? g for the big water or who was personal included in the mcneese, kill least the least. as i said, that legend has been advocating. that's very clearly a signal on the kremlin side of what the punishment is for. i will, i have to say to roger's credit, it means that sanctions bite, it means that they're creating a lot of problems with the kremlin. therefore, the problem has to go for this, you know, juggle with this hurdles in order to prosecute him. but of course, it's assume which is very different are in the russian history. and this feels like the evil inside of russia has at least temporarily, at least for now has one but of course, of legendary zone example officers and inspiration off all of us to continue fighting and continue prosecuting the kremlin just to prevent this horrible things from happening. are going forward, he has about to not give up. how can he keep up the fight from inside the prison

whoa. legendary scroll, influential, especially internationally and or his words are the information that he communicates. just recently had published a note that in washington, both for example, right there will continue to be influential and even more so now that he could literally suffered so much for being able to say and do all this things that he's been doing. so certainly are chic will continue to exert a lot of influence. hopefully that will be a possibility in the future to perhaps exchange him. since he's a british citizen and i got a thing. so hopefully that remains on the table. haven't said that, i think it's on us. all of us was still free in still our lives outraged by what the problem is doing in the name of russians to, to continue trying to block them. and if one, if blood immerse examples, tourists. wonderment ration is it, is that the sanctions bite and they create a lot of problems for the kremlin clearly. so we should definitely continue pushing

homeless functions as russia analyst, maria, and go via. thank you so much for your time. thank you. ah, former german chancellor, i'm glad maggie has received. germany's highest awards marker is only the 3rd person to have received the grant cross order of merit for special achievement. after a former chancellor is going on an hour and having court from president fund by this time i have phrased america for holding germany and europe together their times of crisis. and our political correspondence, i'm young joins me now. simon, but of a throwback there thing. marika and the german president together. what did you make of the event? yeah, that's right. to vis a ward of the federal cross of merit is in the gift of the german president. and they know that he right there because he was the german president,

frank bound to stein my. he was the many years foreign minister of germany and angle americans. so it says leaves giving this talk on of the, the highest honor that germany has seen to gave. and she's received the, by the way, in, in this or taught for the great cross goals. so she's got the highest donors, he's received it as it were from a former subordinate and frank about this time i made a speech that was personal and heartfelt praising anglo mer who's qualities really com, reflective approach, her a sense of compromise and the sort of factual and intelligent way, she went about dealing with problems and did she talk, he talked about her principles and so on. and of course he mentioned the fact that she was said jeremy's 1st female chance was the 1st chancellor to come from east in

germany. so it was more about you might say at what she was, then rather what she did, that seems to be why she's been given this award. and one other thing, all of this happening in front of a small hand picked audience, including the kind of people you'd expect. politicians like lafond july and the european commission president. but also the former german national soccer coach using cleanser was there. so it was in many ways, i think, a rather old ceremony, and not everyone has wholeheartedly welcomed her, receiving the mattel even some members of her own party of voice criticism, not those present in the room, of course. well, that's right, and indeed the current leader of the american party, the christian democrats, was not invited. frederick meant he wasn't there, but to some in that party have criticized many things about anglo medical. you

could say the parties moved away from her a course since she left the office in particularly they recall the decision back in 2015 during the refugee crisis, as it was cold, to allow 1000000 refugees to come into germany. some say that's the stabilize the country. it wasn't properly thought through and it's led to the rise of the far right alternative for germany party. other people recall her decision to press ahead with the switching off of germany's nuclear power stations we've just seen last weekend. the last 3 of those switched off some say that will create enormous problems for germany industry going forward. and then i think the big one of cause her policy on russia and keeping close to russia, keeping dog. busy open with vladimir putin, that's been under a lot of criticism, synced, rushes full scale invasion of ukraine. and of course again, that was

a policy carried and promoted by frank voters. don my now, germany's president. so again, you could say in a certain sense, he was awarding himself a federal cross today. so all the aspects is he left office roughly a year and a half ago. how did german citizen view her legacy? yeah, there was a pole a few months ago suggesting that 40 percent of germans, for instance, thought that anglo america would do a better job than the current chancellor in dealing with the ukraine crisis. but around half of germans polled in that same poll, said they didn't think she would do much better. i think there are people who look back fondly to her time after all. she was elected johnson 4 times in a row. and they want that sort of safe pair of hands. but on the other hand, i think it's also fair to say a lot of people have begun to forget of our angle immacule. and they look at the world's problems as they are now. and the current government are hoping could solve

some of them. i'm a young thanks a lot. ah, new grain every day life in the front line cities is a gamble. civilians find themselves under fire from rockets and artillery shells on a near daily basis. every decision to leave home to get food or supplies can have deadly consequences. but there are people who are staying and they have very different reasons for taking that risk. dw max son and joined an evacuation team of ukrainian police as they trying to persuade people to leave of these guys, ukraine, the sign reads, it seems very clear how people here feel. and yet in frontline towns like this, we find stories that are complicated. these men are trying to get people to leave an audience. metro belong to a police evacuation unit, nicknamed white angels. sample court door. marino bowdoin,

bizarre liquor. marble regarding her crest breeders in the parade. this refurbished newspapers. moore's now pop ups through labor, through what they prominently buy. this was home to more than 32000 people before the war. bombs and shell still follow this rule in place. the russian forces are making gains. still about 2000 people choose to remain a resilience point. there's t, electricity, and company. my guess is the regular insurance special usually you know, you get a good you know for getting for you which you don't get, you know,

you know and now the and the me to have been asked to visit one particular couple the man's daughter asked the policeman to get them out, they have moved underground. was her. it was her bunker and legislative level video of us for a fellow super breakdown leo of proper previous doctor the just wishing him was your name of the point. i don't know if that gives you that was for their more home i do watch and i do so to louis of mine was the college and her bow away to know how the wish was pretty g. those supreme it was go. but she woke up with her with because it's kind of fear is what's keeping them as for them when you use yes. yes. as you know, they don't like that, but he's a senior. yeah, i've been there but he's not okay. you look us up. don't worry so much to switch it

over. police officers can't force people to leave me not. and russian propaganda has left some scared of the ukrainian authorities. my moral i am la. via marcela ross, lumina lou william make way, was on lebron. you're one of them. i really the book raska, they're a for him which will on for a former it brings here for me for a solice symbol dinner over summer. we have to stop filming and seek shelter. yeah. but i am. would it be more likely as soon as it's safe, we go to where the bomb hit to. well we're, we're just finishing up with that lady in the basement. i'm just a few 100 meters away. we heard a big bank and this is the aftermath of the rocket impacted here just a few minutes ago, literally and hooked his whole place apart. that's every day later and this

was the town's market. this woman came to sell household goods. she isn't hurt, but you can see she's in shock of the car was her front line, said he, long before the rush in full scale invasion of 2022 frontline, not only in the physical war but also in the fight for peoples loyalties, fresh and back rebels were in control for a brief period in 2014, before the ukrainians. took it back. not everyone here is happy about that. last year, the coupon code that was on the her was go home hero and was waiting for my to get next to me. yet thank you. re book a call either 3 more. well, it will be great. thank you. through the yes i key thought you might consider why you to not place that on your or the to the offices of the white

angels can offer a way out of town for those who want to take it. i want to go ahead and bring an antonio rem. she's the co founder of the n g o base u a. he joins us from, from a tourist and eastern ukraine, where he coordinates. evacuations of civilians from embattled towns and villages. much like the white angels. we just saw there, and i'm good to see you. i understand your work is quite similar to what we just saw in the report. can you tell us about the situation where you are? hi, you know, thank you for having me. as you just said, them income, of course we work along the whole eastern trunk line, mostly the net region and forgotten screeching in the past, but also go to hockey region. generally the vaccination is pretty slow at the moment either because the cities from which people would like to get out around

accessible or yeah, because most of those wanted to leave have left already. so it's much more kind of specialized work that we're doing these days trying to kid people with the medical conditions. so bedridden patients, so to say, are patient or people that need additional assistance or, or are we trying to organize more risky and yet more difficult operations to get people out of really hotspots that are very difficult to access them. so need a lot of risk assessment and preparation in order to succeed and, and to also bring people out safely. have you also found yourself in a position of having to convince people to leave? yeah, we've been doing that says since then one, basically we started working instead of and you ask them to to chance and,

and especially by them and that region the god's christian and especially those 2 cities were cut off from, from bionetwork and internet basically a couple of weeks after the invasion started. so there was lots also lots of really wrong information going on. not just different. like iran, yes, or fragmentary perceptions of how things are beyond the cities that people were in. so it was bought just bring in more information and more options and more understanding to people. and then just also convincing them because many were just afraid of leaving. so trying to dismantle their fears that for some, sometimes on time. because obviously it made no sense if they were afraid, then they had to leave because stayed in the cities that were about to,

to be taken over was, was not rational. so we have, we are convincing people all the time. but we also know our limits and many people that stay behind actually have a good reasoning setting. you also have to talk step those, force them to, to do something to them. one, obviously i want to dig a little deeper into something you just said there the, the role of information and all of this. we often say that this is also a war of words. and people's perception can, of course, be shaped and distorted by propaganda. so how difficult is it for people in ukraine, especially in the east, where you are operating to navigate the information landscape? it is quite difficult. obviously people relied on certain sources. most of them are consumed new as mostly through television, which was then on available for, for most of them. and russia does a very good job there. whenever they move close enough, they actually created radio stations and then tried to transmit. the signal is very,

very strong. that they're mobile network, especially in regards to the gym. you could actually use the so called the look at their sim cards in the st. john's. so there was no, you're painting signal there, but you could actually use the guy that work so, so they really try hard to, to come in and step in into device that are created once the regular channels are cut off. and on our side like inbox, for example, and on and all the many settings centers that was set up by the volunteers. one of the most important thing that was present, there was a startling connection. so people could actually go online and see for themselves how things are outside of the city and ukraine, and obviously in the general scope of the conflicts. and also we had the ukrainian television running there, the official model,

which only provides news and things that have been fact checks so, so that, that is a very important part. and yeah, we're also trying to contribute to, to try to bring as many options and to, for the people so they can also make up their own mind. oh, yeah, we don't have much time. but i do want to ask you about this because something that really struck me in the report we just saw is that, you know, people living and destroyed settlements under constant fire from russian forces would still support russia. have you found an explanation for yourself to, to rationalize that in a way it's just, you know, narratives that, that people kind of have followed for their whole lives. and once you're in the specific mindset, you know, it's obviously, it's easier to explain with a conspiracy theory once once you believe it, because it doesn't matter what is being told to you. you will always find the way

of actually, you know, just confirming the conspiracy theory and confirming your bias. so it is actually very easy to understand ones once you see it because people have, they just don't see the whole picture. but for, for the specific things that they tried, that trying to explain, they have a very kind of reasonable logical structure in their minds. so i don't think it's like something unique to be specific. context is just when, when people are very much convinced and biased and then whatever happens around them, kind of just falls into that, that picture of life that they have until you're em took, joining us from eastern ukraine from crime, a tourist. thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. thank you. thank you. and we end with a wildfire encounter which came just a little too close for comfort. david oppenheimer was relaxing at home reading a book when an uninvited guest walked in as hard as hell who was more surprised to

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